How did the patriotic public of Russia change during the NWO?

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The special operation to help the people of Donbass, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine has been going on for the seventeenth month in a row, taking on the character of a heavy positional war to deplete resources, material, technical and human. The NWO became a terrible test for the Ukrainian and Russian peoples at the same time and could not but change a lot in the public mood on both sides.

The day before, a respected colleague, who was not lucky enough to be in the territory controlled by the Kyiv regime, published Article, where he brought interesting information about the true attitude of a significant part of the Ukrainian people to the continuation of the war. In turn, we will try to assess how much Russian society has changed, its patriotic part. What will be presented below is not a scientific study that claims to be the ultimate truth, but only the result of the author's personal reflection based on his own, purely subjective observations, so please treat with understanding and even humor.



So, what are the main types that can be identified in the patriotically inclined part of Russian society?

Frightened Patriots


These are our fellow citizens who love their homeland very much, but did not understand and were frightened when the SVO suddenly began for them, and preferred to wait out the dangerous time either in their historical homeland or right in a foreign land. Two waves of emigration of frightened patriots can be distinguished: in February-March 2022 and in September 2022.

In the first wave, frightened patriots, mostly our celebrities, representatives of big business and other public idols, role models, rushed to Israel and other countries where they had second passports or residence permits. The press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov spoke in their defense:

Sobchak, Urgant and Todorenko - they are not enemies of the state ... No. Why ... Urgant did not ridicule, Sobchak did not ridicule. Todorenko…

I don't know, unfortunately. We have people who got scared, when it all started, they got scared. Some of them left. He said he was going on a long vacation. Everyone acted differently. But there are those who are afraid and who do not understand. And they are not enemies of the state. I am convinced. We also have such hawks who believe that everyone should go straight to the nail and so on. Many did not understand, many were afraid.

Why did this statesman, who widely spread the seed of the Peskov family across the leading countries of Western Europe, stand up for the frightened patriots, and then publicly kissed hands the ex-prima donna of the national stage and the wife of the foreign agent Galkin Pugacheva, it is not difficult to understand. As it was said in one movie: “We are not like that, life is like that”, right?

By the way, Mr. Urgant was never fired from Channel One, and he promised to return to the blue screen. Literally today, he gave us all a fiery video greeting from Iceland, where he is still roaming about in a foreign land. The solemn return, apparently, should take place together with Alla Borisovna and her comedian husband already in the "new Russia", whatever that means.

The second wave of emigration of frightened patriots took place immediately after the announcement of partial mobilization in the country, and many patriots fit for military service preferred to move to other countries with their families. Apparently, it is necessary to understand and forgive.

Hooray patriots


Where without them, in fact? Those who have a long memory remember well how many jingoistic moods there were before the start of the NWO and at its very first stage, before the beginning of the era of "shell hunger" at the front and the "Great Retreats". It was considered quite frivolously that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as soon as they were ordered to cross the border and take Kyiv, would be able to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine in three days, no more.

Here I would like to recall that the author of the lines personally even before the start of the special operation warnedthat an easy walk will not work and the war will be serious and uncompromising. Then I even had to argue in absentia about this with a colleague, who later bitterly had to admit his mistake. Alas, too many people were mistaken and underestimated the enemy, overestimating their own strengths, including those who, according to their position, were supposed to be in the know and respond with their heads.

By the seventeenth month of the special operation, jingoistic patriots are almost invisible in the media space. Only against the background of the stalled Ukrainian counter-offensive did they again begin to raise their heads a little, but, I think, prematurely.

Disillusioned Patriots


As it sometimes happens, from cheers the general public, faced with harsh and unpleasant realities, began to move into a new state of gradually growing disappointment. There is nothing to be surprised here: the RF Armed Forces are sitting on the defensive, no noticeable preparations are being made for their own large-scale counteroffensive, the military-political leadership has the will to an uncompromising war until Victory, complete and unconditional, not visible.

The result is logical: more and more people are asking the question - why is all this even started and why are our guys dying?

In search of an answer to these questions, some pass into a state of despondency and begin to wish for a speedy cessation of hostilities that are being conducted without decisive action. In the comments, they write that we need to “crawl back”, make peace at least on some acceptable terms and rebuild Mother Russia. And there are visually more of them. Others from among the disappointed move into a different category of patriots.

Angry Patriots


This category includes those people who have not experienced and do not experience cheers, and also do not allow themselves to lose heart, being led by fairy tales about peace or a truce on acceptable terms. Those who do not have rose-colored glasses before their eyes understand that no one will simply allow us to “crawl away” and the war will be continued by the opposite side to the last Ukrainian and the penultimate Russian.

The conclusion is simple: we must take it and start fighting seriously, with decisive goals, forgetting about negotiations and "agreements" due to their senselessness and unilateral "gestures of good will" as harmful to the country and discrediting those who make such decisions. The truth is that Russia can still win this war and impose its own will on the losing side, if the military-political leadership wishes. The longer the conflict drags on, the greater the price the Russian and Ukrainian peoples will eventually have to pay to end all this on our terms.

All that the angry patriots “from below” can really do now is to help their army in matters of supply, as well as to put pressure on those in power so that they quickly stop fooling around.

Also patriots


What can happen when armed people run out of patience, we all saw on June 23-24, 2023. Whatever the real goals of Mr. Prigozhin, the Wagner PMC under his control demonstrated that at a crisis moment in history, well-prepared, organized and motivated people can start doing what they themselves see fit, simply by the right of the strong, “destroying everyone who stands in the way."

In those two fateful days, our country really stood on the verge of an instant collapse into regions that did not obey the rebellious center, unauthorized removal from their places and return home of registered volunteers with weapons in their hands, and the collapse of the front with a military defeat of the RF Armed Forces by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The strength and determination to use it, which was demonstrated by Prigozhin's "musicians", impressed the Kremlin so much that they even forgot about the principle of inevitability of punishment for a crime, which is the basis of the rule of law, and President Putin called the Wagner fighters also patriots:

We knew and we know that the overwhelming majority of the fighters and commanders of the Wagner group are also Russian patriots, devoted to their people and state. They proved it with their courage on the battlefield, liberating the Donbass and Novorossiya.

It is interesting that the state now has no questions for the frightened patriots, nor for the Wagner PMC and Yevgeny Prigozhin personally, but representatives of law enforcement agencies began to visit the angry patriots of the ex-Minister of Defense of the DPR Strelkov (Girkin). That is how we live.
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  1. +20
    13 July 2023 11: 06
    The author forgot about the trick that the Kremlin made to the patriots in Istanbul ... for them, this agreement with the withdrawal of our troops from near Kyiv from Bucha turned out to be a blow in the stomach.
    The consequences of this step in the Northern Military District turned out to be the most difficult for the country.
    Under no circumstances was it possible to go along with the Nazis in Ukraine ... now it will take years to rake up this guano of political betrayal at the cost of the lives of our soldiers and officers.
    1. +5
      14 July 2023 23: 01
      If they hadn’t retreated, then the paratroopers without artillery and tanks would have been kirdyk ...
      The offensive itself on a wide front with a limited number of groups was a stupid adventure ...
  2. +18
    13 July 2023 11: 25
    Quote: Alekey Glotov
    The author forgot about the trick that the Kremlin did to the patriots in Istanbul

    As well as gas supply shipments through an enemy country and a grain deal. Does money smell?
  3. -1
    13 July 2023 11: 39
    The essence of the publication in the end.
    Girkin-Strelkov is a real contender for power.
    And E. Prigozhin's "rebellion" is a performance directed by V. Putin, a la M. Gorbachev, who turned himself upside down. So what claims can be made to E. Prigogine?
    "That is how we live".
    1. -11
      13 July 2023 14: 18
      You really compared Putin to the traitor Gorbachev. You are not a very smart person.
      1. +5
        13 July 2023 14: 53
        A "smart" person told a stupid person about his lack of intelligence? Ha!
      2. +1
        13 July 2023 21: 51
        Which begs the question, which one is higher ranked?
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      4. +6
        14 July 2023 06: 10
        You really compared Putin to the traitor Gorbachev. You are not a very smart person.

        But Putin-Putin is different!
        The Putin who became president in 2000 (48 years old) and today's Putin (here, 71 knocks) are two different people.
        2000 ... (age 48) - kill the enemy, even if he is in sartir!
        2022 ... (age 70) - the railway infrastructure of the ENEMY was taken under the protection of the Russian Armed Forces and not a single general dared to disobey and destroy at least one train loaded with military equipment of the NATO coalition moving from the western borders of Ukraine towards the front.
        For a year and a half, everything that was transferred from NATO to Ukraine (fuel and lubricants, shells, tanks, howitzers, and other equipment) is regularly delivered to the front in order to kill RUSSIANS there.
        And how to call it?
        During the Great Patriotic War, trains with Wehrmacht equipment were derailed daily (partisans, for this, sabotage groups were thrown deep behind enemy lines, blew up bridges along the train route, large railway junction stations were destroyed by reloading equipment. Long-range aviation struck at the junction railway /d stations, and today - SILENCE. A thousand km train with NATO equipment must pass through the territory of Ukraine (it is not small) in order to deliver the transferred equipment to the front.
        This is almost a day on the road, and even if someone disobeyed Putin and destroyed at least one train in a year and a half! ... nobody.
        There is Iskander, there is Caliber, the railway train can be destroyed with an ordinary GERANIUM, if it gets into the ammunition car. But for a year and a half, everything has been regularly delivered to the front line, and only on the line of contact can enemy equipment be destroyed.
        But you can destroy all THIS equipment and ammunition when it is still in the rear (500 km to the front line).
        And then at the front, Ukraine will simply have nothing to fight with.
        If, THIS, there was nothing to do, then somehow it would be clear to Putin, but we have everything to destroy the equipment of the ENEMY in the deep rear, and not at the front.
        Here is today's Putin. ... old age does not paint!
        1. +3
          15 July 2023 09: 52
          Here is today's Putin. ... old age does not paint!

          A man is walking down the street and sees a large puddle ahead. Is he thinking of going around or jumping over? I decided to jump over, Gop runs! and lands in the middle of the puddle on his ass. In embarrassment, he exclaims: "Oh, and in his youth! ... (Looks around and there is no one around) Yes, he was the same!
  4. +7
    13 July 2023 11: 44
    Those who do not have rose-colored glasses before their eyes understand that no one will simply allow us to “crawl away”, and the war will be continued by the opposite side to the last Ukrainian and the penultimate Russian.

    It would be nice to remember the story: in 1917, all the parties that fought for the war to a victorious end quickly lost their support, and the little-known Bolsheviks rose to the top, with their slogan "peace without annexations and indemnities." However, the world without indemnities (from Ukraine) really does not threaten us anymore.
    And if the author is proud that he "does not have rose-colored glasses," could he comment on yesterday's removal from office for criticizing General Popov? Sergey sorted in detail into categories of "civilian" patriots, but forgot about those whose patriotism, motivation is precisely what influences victories and defeats to the greatest extent - our military in the active army. Obviously, if not their patriotism in relation to the Motherland, then their trust in those who are called the highest military-political leadership, and who, in fact, speak on behalf of the country, determine its policy, is actually exhausted - from the rank and file to the commanders. In such conditions, and most importantly, with the unwillingness to change anything and the continued practice of sweeping problems under the carpet, along with those who dare to voice them, is it reasonable to talk about victories?
  5. +13
    13 July 2023 11: 50
    The level of leadership of the country, which looked acceptable at the time of the Olympics, championships and biathlons, turned out to be completely insufficient in the more difficult situation started by the NWO. And in this muddy situation it is useless to divide who is what patriot. No one really imagines the future, there is no image of victory and the country goes with the flow.
    1. +4
      14 July 2023 08: 02
      Well...hmm not true. The "country", or rather those who rule this territory, "has" its natural resources, and citizens, appoints and "selects" the authorities, the president - the "watching common fund", the government ... is focused on only one thing! - "To have a lot!, without measure! Bubbles, stay at the feeder"
      Hmm, everything else is beautiful words, slogans about democracy and freedom, so, a means .... just to stay in this "bread" place.
      30 years ago, the Russian "bourgeois" thought .. "Hmm! Now we are the same as the Americans, the Jews ... our own!"
      But no! The masters of the world, there can be only one, all the rest - dispossessed!
      The USSR lived its entire existence like this, survived and showed ... hmm ... but it’s possible without the bourgeoisie. This is also shown by China. Very convincing!
      1. -1
        15 July 2023 09: 56
        Is this China without the Bourgeois? What are you smoking dear? Do not share?
  6. +13
    13 July 2023 11: 51
    Now nothing depends on people and their opinions. And only "Prigozhin's example" can change the attitude of the authorities towards life. And that's only if it ends in success. And all because we have two Russia. One is fat and doesn't know where to spend the money, and the other doesn't know how to survive. Hence the patriotism of these two. Some will not be punished for murder, while others, for the spoken word, will be imprisoned for 10 years. But these two Russias have one thing in common. This is money and most importantly, their quantity!

    Girkin is not for sale! And this is his biggest cant in front of the authorities. For him, Russia is always in the first place and he will not betray either the country or the people for any money. And such, Putin's authorities do not need! But Prigozhin, who, with his rebellion, hit the NWO in the back, is held in high esteem! And because "bargaining is appropriate." And Putin is so sweet.
  7. -2
    13 July 2023 12: 41
    It is interesting that the state now has no questions for the frightened patriots, nor for the Wagner PMC, and personally for Yevgeny Prigozhin,

    And why does the author think that the VP should have some kind of claim?
    Judging by the way the author presents the information, he is just aware of how everything is arranged above.
    I think the president was struck by the reaction of both ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation and military personnel (who are not from the Arbat Military District), their reaction not only to the PMC march, but their attitude towards PMCs and Prigozhin personally.
    In particular, surveys of the population were conducted, there were several of them on the Internet, and all the results in one version or another were in support of this march, and these results were shown. These polls and the reaction to them were conducted and shown after the awarding of all those who particularly distinguished themselves in the defense of Moscow and were officially awarded for bravery on the territory of the Kremlin. There were speeches by all distinguished commanders and stories about their heroic struggle against the rebels. Then there was a wave of speeches by all kinds of official and unofficial persons in the media condemning the rebels, traitors to the motherland and convincing them of personal loyalty.
    And there were all kinds of polls after that. Personally, I think that after getting acquainted with their results, the President of the Russian Federation, very promptly, personally met with the commanders of the PMC Wagner and personally with Prigozhin (I want to turn without any Shoigu and Gerasimovs) to discuss the situation that led to the campaign against Moscow. Finally, he realized that all official information (including from all law enforcement agencies) reaches him, so to speak, somewhat in a distorted form.
    In our history in August 1917, there was also a similar story, this is the so-called March of Kornilov at the head of the Knights of St. George (who are interested, look for yourself), there was also an idea for the return of order in the Russian Empire (almost like in the Russian Federation). Only Kerensky, after the failure of the march, did not meet with anyone, so after 3 months the Empire collapsed, and Kerensky died in 1971 in the USA (living all his life on American handouts and hoping that he would be called to the Russian throne).

    After the story with PMC Wagner, I think the Russian State will not collapse in 3 months, as in 1917, and no civil unrest will happen inside Russia. Well, it’s not harmful for the liberal public to dream, but no one really forbids it.
  8. +2
    13 July 2023 13: 08
    They probably visited Strelkov because he sneezes them in the tail and mane, they are touchy with us. It is unlikely that they decided to give him a nightmare due to the fact that he can move someone and take some more or less influential post.
    Strelkov would have gone to the front, and there to put together a unit from among those who were in solidarity with his view of the situation, which would be in opposition to all kinds of rebels.
    I think there are quite a few of them, but no one will allow him to do this.
  9. +3
    13 July 2023 14: 54
    It is, of course, where the patrician is there and his patriotism, so Peskov walks along with the patrician and more than one patriotism. But what about people who have taken the Soviet, Russian oath? For us, the burden is honor, faith, fatherland, ingenuity, audacity, warmth and tolerance. If by patriotism we do not mean duality corresponding to foreign expressions, then social justice as a national idea is more and more clearly manifested, and not blah blah about the patricians, Patrio, but you never know about anything.
  10. +11
    13 July 2023 15: 52
    The article is up to date. Society has not yet reached the boiling point. All these capitalists, oligarchs, servants, guards and comprador authorities live one day, stole today, took all the money over the hill today, the plane is at the start, children, wives, parents are all citizens of Israel and other states, and so every day. They are kept in the Russian Federation only by money. The time has not yet come when the majority of citizens will become patriots. Prigozhin's march of justice showed that the people have no faith in the liberal government.
    1. +6
      14 July 2023 00: 03
      there is no faith and it will not be for sure, the people hate this government!
  11. +4
    13 July 2023 18: 07
    The longer the SVO goes, the more vague the goals. Like a horizon.
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  12. +1
    13 July 2023 18: 12
    Yes, not even frightened patriots, but quite patriotic ones prefer to leave Russia. Isinbayeva, as an example. To Spain. How is that?!
    1. +8
      14 July 2023 00: 07
      Quote: Strange guest
      Yes, not even frightened patriots, but quite patriotic ones prefer to leave Russia. Isinbayeva, as an example. To Spain. How is that?!

      That's how! laughing
      Major of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, In 2012 she became a confidant of Vladimir Putin in the presidential elections. In November 2017, she joined the Putin Team movement. In January 2020, Isinbayeva was included in the working group on amendments to the Constitution.
      She gave birth to her second child in Monaco, probably citizenship was needed.
      And then bam and it turns out that the most patriotic patriots of the Guarantor prefer to live in Tenerife. laughing
      Sergei Marzhetsky! What kind of patriots do you consider yourself to be?
      1. +4
        14 July 2023 06: 25
        Even more surprising is the position of many pro-government commentators on all channels like - "they honestly earned money and now they can choose where they live." Two questions arise at once - 1. Why do patriots who have earned money prefer to immediately leave to live in the countries of a hostile NATO and the decaying West (or is it not so decaying and they just lie to us). 2. Why are the citizens of countries that make a choice in favor of the West (the desire of the same Ukraine in the EU) - our enemies and we have to fight them? Or is the opportunity to live in the West not such a privilege for everyone - like a ticket to a special sanatorium of the Central Committee of the CPSU - only for the elite?
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  13. +6
    13 July 2023 18: 32
    What can happen when armed people run out of patience, we all saw on June 23-24, 2023. Whatever the real goals of Mr. Prigozhin, the Wagner PMC under his control demonstrated that at a crisis moment in history, well-prepared, organized and motivated people can start doing what they themselves see fit, simply by the right of the strong, “destroying everyone who stands in the way."

    In those two fateful days, our country really stood on the verge of an instant collapse into regions that did not obey the rebellious center, unauthorized removal from their places and return home of registered volunteers with weapons in their hands, and the collapse of the front with a military defeat of the RF Armed Forces by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The strength and determination to use it, which was demonstrated by Prigozhin's "musicians", impressed the Kremlin so much that they even forgot about the principle of inevitability of punishment for a crime, which is the basis of the rule of law, and President Putin called the Wagner fighters also patriots:

    Lord, will you ever stop? You promised 5-7 articles about Wagner to the whole site not to write about them, you continue to throw them on the fan.
    Well, if the author is so objective, then why is it for TWO - I’ll write in the figure for 2 days I didn’t write about General Popov, and he is a personnel general and said everything one to one that Prigogine said yet, starting in January and finishing ... but not finishing, judging by It keeps going on and on, and frighteningly getting worse.
    The author, in private messages, not allowing me to answer, indicated that I was glorifying Wagner, so judging by his reaction, as in the case of Popov, he agrees well with plywood.
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  15. 0
    13 July 2023 20: 39
    An article about "... how has the patriotic public of Russia changed" ?, but in essence "How has the attitude of the authorities towards the patriotic public changed", and I will allow myself a small edit, as well as to pseudo-patriots, using the example of Prigozhin and General Popov on the one hand, and Urgant, Sobchak and others on the other hand.
  16. +5
    13 July 2023 23: 59
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are sitting on the defensive, traitors and grabbers are in power in the rear, the Agutins from Varum from Lviv are traveling around the country with concerts and earning money for the punishers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all the frightened patriots who escaped, etc., there is still not enough Grishka Rasputin, and you be men and die in Ukraine for us and our children that soar genitals in Dubai! Great things are happening in the camp of the White Guards under the Vlasov flag! I would like to know from the patriot Medinsky, how is Manerheim, the executioner of the Karelian people and Leningraders, not yet hanged in St. Petersburg with a plaque of honor?
  17. +2
    14 July 2023 04: 03
    Love or dislike for the motherland, for its good, have no direct relationship. Peter I or Ulyanov hated their country in the form in which they found it, and patriots like Nicholas plunged it into confusion, chaos and ruin. After Putin declared state ideology as patriotism, the main moment of the day will naturally be sorting patriots into castes. But how? You need at least some points to decide in the troubled waters of patriotism and to say who is who, guided by the method "to unite, you first need to disengage." The nonsense as a whole does not make sense in the details. It seems that all patriots, but how differently their activities go, if they go, for the benefit of the object of patriotism. Not everything comes out to us, comrades, if you take a closer look? Clearly skipping moments bud something under a blueprint torn off from the 30s of the last century. Funny and sad. To understand what is happening, it will be more useful to proceed from the nature of the capitalist state in which its history is a consequence of trade with some with others, both within the country and with foreign partners.
  18. +5
    14 July 2023 05: 53
    During the Second World War, the country had the headquarters of the supreme commander, in which the strategy of the war was decided, and the general staff only prepared its decisions. There were people in charge of everything. What now. Gerasimov's swollen face, on the cat. all responsibility is folded, plus foreman Sh. with his generals. The rest is empty. Sometimes Peskov only comes out and says that he had nothing to do with it, but just came out like that. Well, what to expect from all this?
  19. +1
    14 July 2023 14: 58
    The day before, a respected colleague who was not lucky enough to be in the territory controlled by the Kyiv regime published an article where he provided interesting information about the true attitude of a significant part of the Ukrainian people to the continuation of the war.

    Since you have touched on this topic, let me also speak about "the true attitude of a significant part of the Ukrainian people towards the continuation of the war." The flow of funds has decreased - this is a reality, but why? Firstly, in the spring of 22, there was a question about Ukrainian statehood, and since the Ukrainian Nazis did not want to live according to the laws of a free, democratic, legal Russia, they carried the last money to live in a Nazi state. After all, the number of APU grew like an avalanche at times. And all these hundreds of thousands had to be equipped, and Western aid could not keep up. Now the situation has changed dramatically. Nothing threatens the Nazi Ukrainian state, almost everything captured in the 22nd year, except for the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, has been released. Western aid is flowing. The Armed Forces of Ukraine is growing at best by tens of percent. Those. help is much less relevant, is it strange that it has decreased?
    Now about the article itself, it is wonderful, in Russia all patriots, with the exception of those who don’t care about everything. So:

    Frightened Patriots
    These are our fellow citizens who love their homeland very much, but did not understand and were frightened when the SVO suddenly began for them, and preferred to wait out the dangerous time either in their historical homeland or right in a foreign land

    I see the position of these people differently. These patriots do not share the goals of the SVO and see their patriotism in condemning the SVO to mitigate the degree of Russophobia in the world, proving that not all Russian aggressors. Those. they are for trying on Russia with the world. Is it bad?
    Hooray patriots.

    By the seventeenth month of the special operation, jingoistic patriots are almost invisible in the media space. Only against the background of the stalled Ukrainian counter-offensive did they again begin to raise their heads a little, but, I think, prematurely.

    I would be glad to share the opinion of the author, but I'm afraid it is premature. I think with horror what should happen to Russia so that these people wake up, they are on this site, although already in the minority, but they are present.

    Disillusioned Patriots

    As it sometimes happens, from cheers the general public, faced with harsh and unpleasant realities, began to move into a new state of gradually growing disappointment.

    I'll tell you how I went from cheers to growing disappointment. In 18, I voted for Putin. In the 20th, to my shame, for EP, in protest that the West is pressing us. You put pressure on us, and I vote for EP. In the spring of 21, the situation around the Donbass began to heat up, I ran to the bank to change my ruble deposit for a dollar one. But everything seems to have calmed down. But the spring of 22 came, and I immediately realized what it was .... and cashed out the deposit. There was nothing more I could do. Before that, I enjoyed watching the Russian-language segment of Ukrainian TV, where Zelensky was scolded and even saw Russia in a single space with Ukraine, but ... but only when Ukraine comes to Europe, to the EEC, Russia will follow it into the EEC and will be united Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok. This is how the Russophile segment of Ukraine saw an alliance with Russia. I don’t know how the Russophobic segment saw this, I didn’t watch Russophobic TV, because I don’t understand MOV and in general I’m allergic to it. I immediately realized that in Ukraine we are not expected very much and the concept: we are a single people is fundamentally erroneous, especially considering the metamorphoses of power in Russia and the indifferent attitude to these metamorphoses of the population. Ukrainians are accustomed to a different attitude towards power. Those. On February 24.02.22, XNUMX, I immediately realized that the NWO was doomed, and treated it accordingly, I was not disappointed in it, because I had never been fascinated by it. Here's the story of how the wise policy of the party and government turned a zaputintets into a liberal.

    Angry Patriots

    This category includes those people who have not experienced and do not experience cheers, and also do not allow themselves to lose heart, being led by fairy tales about peace or a truce on acceptable terms. Those who do not have rose-colored glasses before their eyes understand that no one will simply allow us to “crawl away” and the war will be continued by the opposite side to the last Ukrainian and the penultimate Russian.

    These patriots have double glasses in front of their eyes: with a black half in which they see how Ukrainians, Poles, Balts will cut us (citizens of Russia) like pigs.
    And the pink half in which they conquer Ukraine and ... well, I hope they don’t dream of slaughtering Ukrainians like pigs. But NATO is behind Ukraine, how realistic are the plans to defeat NATO? If we cannot cope with Ukraine?
    And yet, my mother, a Russian, from Tula, served in a military hospital during the war, graduated from an institute in Stanislav, and worked as a head physician in a rural hospital in Western Ukraine. So the Bandera people did not touch the doctors, they respected - pani likarka. And my father, having passed from Kalinin to Keniksberg, later fought with Bandera, and he was once saved by the director of a rural school, hiding from Bandera. Scumbags cut people, and the people cannot consist of scumbags and support them!

    Also patriots

    What can happen when armed people run out of patience, we all saw on June 23-24, 2023.

    When Wagner's patience ran out, the whole of Russia's patience would end!
    Bottom line, well, you have all the patriots and all for Russia, and rightly so. Someone sees patriotism in butting with NATO to the limit and thus saving Russia, someone believes that in this way Russia can only be destroyed and it is necessary to negotiate. Who is right, who is wrong? God knows.
    1. +1
      14 July 2023 16: 40
      I immediately realized that in Ukraine we are not very much expected and the concept: we are one people is fundamentally wrong

      That's for sure. The people are a little different, especially in western Ukraine, where they are completely different. Moreover, over the past two decades, the media space of Ukraine has been captured by "Westerners". And the people both here and there, unfortunately, in the majority believe the TV. So, liberation is for Donbass and partially for some part of the people of the East and South of Ukraine. And it is far from certain that a Russian-speaking Ukrainian will greet Russian troops. Let me tell you more about the unpatriotic part of the Russian population, which is mostly young people. Here, they often talk about poor patriotic education. Yes it is. However, how will a young man with a higher education feel about his government when his parents paid him university education with great difficulty? I think the answers will be different. It is also patriotism.
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        18 July 2023 13: 06
        Maybe the inhabitants of the south of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Donbass sympathized with Russia, but before what happened in Ukraine, what is happening in Ukraine. Are we liberating Donbass? Yes, turning its cities into ruins and its inhabitants into refugees. These residents are very happy to be released. I think the inhabitants of our Donbass and Crimea, too, have become thoughtful: it was not in vain that they got in touch with Russia, isolated and humiliated, sliding into authoritarianism. Against the background of such a Russia, Bandera Ukraine does not look scary.
        The youth. It is useless to try to instill imperial patriotism in the youth. They do not want to live in a country - the pole of the world, dictating to someone, at least to their inner circle, their will. They want to live in a normal European country. In the global community. Especially since they see the collapse of the imperial policy. Imperial patriots do not want to see this collapse, for them it is their personal collapse. And the youth of this policy has never shared and longs for this collapse. They do not want to brandish an atomic bomb, especially since, thank God, everything is limited to brandishing. And you want to re-educate them? They live for the next half century. We are to die. But many turbopatriots will still see the collapse, I hope not of the country, but of their ideals.
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    16 July 2023 00: 32
    All this is hypocrisy.
    And no one asked people on the 24th (as in the Belovezhskaya agreements), both earlier and later.
    Therefore, the Prigozhinskys and other cheer-trolls on the payroll rule the Internet.

    And people vote with their feet. How the elite rushed away after the 24th and during the march of justice. and the nobility legally forbade themselves to call.
    So the population, who could, voted with their feet. And many others are swearing lies among themselves.
    The rebels are the patriots. Either there will be no mobilization, then there will be. That Azovtsev under the tribunal, the exchange for Kuma.
    Either near Bryansk, Avia shot down a DRG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then they didn’t shoot down .. Either 3000 Armats, or they don’t exist ..

    Everyone understands everything, but the fans of Butova and Ilyin have power ...
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      16 July 2023 00: 37
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      no one asked people (as in the Belovezhskaya agreements)

      And whose hands were the work of the Belovezhskaya Pushcha? Your favorite liberals, led by Yeltsin.
  21. 0
    25 July 2023 23: 01
    Considering the varieties of patriots (according to Marzhetsky), the author does not consider the authorities as the creator of the environment in which the diversity of patriots flourished (the very word patriot in Marzhetsky bears the stamp of something bad). Some kind of research. I wish the author would consider the question of why the authorities are doing so that the people have a continuous cognitive dissonance. Both the patriotic part of the citizens and the liberal part.