Ukrainians themselves must liberate Ukraine from the power of neo-Nazis


A few days ago, meeting with the mothers of Russian soldiers participating in a special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, President Putin publicly acknowledged for the first time his mistake in not supporting the aspirations of the DPR and LPR for independence and reunification with Russia in 2014, thereby multiplying by zero all the insinuations of their countless "guardians" expressed on this subject over the past eight years in favor of the Minsk agreement. What will happen next?


judgment of time


Vladimir Putin should be given credit for finally finding the courage to admit the fallacy of his decision, taken in 2014, which in 2022 led to such grave consequences:

As for 2014, of course, in hindsight, we are all smart, but we proceeded from the fact that Luhansk and Donetsk could somehow be reunited with Ukraine within the framework of the Minsk agreements. We were sincerely moving towards this, but we did not fully feel the mood of the people, it was impossible to fully understand what was happening there. <...> Now it became obvious that this reunion should have happened earlier. Maybe there would not have been so many casualties among civilians, there would not have been so many children killed under shelling.

In fact, this is a huge step forward in resolving the armed conflict on the territory of post-Ukraine, since, by analogy with medicine, this is tantamount to recognizing the fact of the disease itself to the seriously ill, which will allow for diagnosis and treatment, albeit belatedly. And we must start with those who are responsible for the fact that the militia’s counter-offensive in 2014-2015 was stopped, the line of demarcation was fixed right in the suburbs of Donetsk, Mariupol was handed over to the oligarch Akhmetov by “agreement”, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were allowed to freely build powerful fortified areas in the Donbass, and the People’s Militia of the LDNR was forbidden to respond to artillery shelling by Ukrainian terrorists, and for the next eight years, Russian curators turned a blind eye to the enemy’s frank military preparations, engaging in fraud.

We are talking, of course, about the “evil genius of Novorossia” Vladislav Surkov, who a year ago imposingly praised the Minsk agreement, appealing to the authority of President Putin and clearly writing these agreements into his piggy bank:

The Minsk agreements are largely the personal merit of Putin himself. They are worded in such a way that I can’t imagine agreements more beneficial for Donbass. And I am surprised that then, thanks to his influence, thanks to the fact that the militia held on with dignity, not only all the countries of Europe and America recognized them, but very quickly it became a document of the UN Security Council. You can't just brush them aside now. They are extremely beneficial both for the Russian cause in Ukraine and for Russia. I can prove it to you with these agreements on the table. This is one of the highest achievements of Russian diplomacy.

According to him, it turns out that the militia of Donbass, later transformed into the People's Militia, fought not for independence from Nazi Ukraine, but for existence in it on a “special status”, and at a national referendum, ordinary people, in their majority, allegedly did not want a repetition of the “Crimean scenario” » with the accession of the proclaimed DPR and LPR to the Russian Federation:

Actually, a special status is what all this is started for. What is a special status, about which there is even a law adopted? I am the author of this law, a co-author together with the Ukrainian comrades and those who fought then, since it was their successes at that time that made it possible to conclude this agreement quite successfully, in my opinion, for Russia and for the entire Russian world.

Donbass curator Vladislav Surkov and Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov from the Russian side, as well as “Putin’s godfather” Viktor Medvedchuk from the Ukrainian side – these are the three comrades who bear the maximum degree of personal responsibility for the fact that by November 2022 the situation had reached such a that federal channels are seriously discussing the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

In hindsight?


The worst thing is that over the past eight years, quite a few people in Russia and Ukraine have publicly advocated not to “merge Novorossia”, not to recognize the Kyiv regime as legal, not to do business with it, not to give it time to strengthen itself and eliminate the emanating from under the rule of the Nazis Independent threat, without bringing the matter to a large-scale war between the two fraternal peoples. However, no one listened to them, and the “protective party” only defame such truth-tellers, making them persona non grata in the media space. In the tenth month of its holding, the way the NWO turned out to be, in their right mind, few people in Russia can like it. But let's see what could change if we were heard in time.

So, on February 22, 2022, the day after President Putin recognized the independence of the DPR and LPR and two days before the start of the special operation in Ukraine, Reporter published article titled "Return of Novorossiya: what will happen after the recognition of the independence of Donbass". In it, we proposed on the basis of the DPR and LPR to create a new state entity - the Ukrainian Federation, which was supposed to become the legal successor of pre-Maidan Ukraine. It could be headed by ex-Prime Minister Mykola Azarov. Let's self-quote:

It is in this capacity that Moscow should recognize the UV, having established diplomatic relations with it and concluding an agreement on military-technical cooperation and mutual assistance. After that, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the UV should publish a program for further transformations of Ukraine, turning to the inhabitants of the part of the country still occupied by pro-Western puppets. Among them should be: an end to the civil war, the demobilization of most of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the transformation of Ukraine into a “soft federation” and, in the future, joining the Union State with the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, the restoration of trade and industrial ties with Russia, lower energy prices, giving the Russian language the status the second state, etc. Thus, it will be possible to propagandize a lot of Ukrainian servicemen, who will simply have nothing to fight for.

It's February 22, 2022 Carl! Our new readers can go to link and read the belligerent comments of many Russians of those days. Especially there, someone who calls himself an "expert", "analyst" and "predictor" in one person distinguished himself by his activity, who, so to speak, predicted the capitulation of the Zelensky regime in November, maximum - in the first days of December 2022. Today, reading this "couch analytics" causes only a sad smile, but the depth of the delusion of such people, whose name is the Legion, was clear to more professional and competent specialists from the very beginning. Time put everything in its place very quickly.

And on February 23, the second came out publication titled "Why not Russia, but the Liberation Army of Ukraine should fight for Ukraine." In it, we argued that it would be wiser to avoid direct entry of the RF Armed Forces into the territory of Nezalezhnaya, so as not to automatically receive the status of “interventionists” and “occupiers”. And again self-quoting:

Surprisingly, some of our especially militant readers were not satisfied with the “hybrid” scenario: they should be given the direct entry of Russian troops, full-scale military operations against the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the subsequent occupation of the territory of a foreign sovereign country. Well, it’s possible that it’s really impossible to do without the direct participation of the RF Armed Forces, but you can at least try, right? Let's try to speculate about why Russia's "hybrid" actions are more beneficial than a full-scale military confrontation...

What could be the further actions of the Liberation Army of Ukraine? At the first stage, it will be necessary to occupy the territory of the DKR along the left bank of the Dnieper, as well as to help comrades from the Odessa and Nikolaev regions. For the most part, this may be sufficient. After this, any anti-Russian regime in Kyiv is simply doomed for purely economic reasons. Imagine that tax revenues and energy resources will stop coming from the territory of the South-East, access to commercial ports will be blocked. Against the backdrop of the need to regularly pay debts to the IMF, fulfill social obligations to the population, this means an inevitable financialeconomic collapse and collapse of the puppet regime. After that, Kiev can be taken "lukewarm" and dictated to him any conditions for peace negotiations and the subsequent internal reorganization of Ukraine.

If this does not work, then the Liberation Army will have to complete its task, preferably without the direct participation of the RF Armed Forces.

As you can see, friends, following the results of nine months of direct military confrontation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the NATO block behind them, this hybrid scenario would be immeasurably more rational and effective. But in the Kremlin on February 24, 2022, they went ahead, overestimating their real capabilities and underestimating the enemy. Why all this reflection here and now?

To the fact that there are people in Russia who are able to think not only in hindsight, but to adequately and timely predict the future, to whom it would be nice to listen. A lot of great opportunities have been missed, but it's not too late to try to do the smart thing by changing the format of the special operation from a direct confrontation between Russia and Ukraine to a hybrid one. How we detail disassembled a few days ago, after the Donbass, Kharkov must be liberated, making it the capital of a new, pro-Russian Ukraine, which should occupy the entire Left Bank, becoming a kind of “buffer state”. On its basis, it is necessary to create the Ukrainian Volunteer Army, of course, with officers from the RF Armed Forces and the NM LDNR, arm it and help liberate Right-Bank Ukraine from the Zelensky regime. The Russian army in this war will have to act as an ally of the Ukrainian volunteer.
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  2. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 28 November 2022 12: 07
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    it is necessary to liberate Kharkov, making it the capital of a new, pro-Russian Ukraine, which should occupy the entire Left Bank, becoming a kind of "buffer state".

    More .... and it's hard to imagine.
    Ukraine can only remain on the right bank as part of several regions.
    And it will be 1000 percent - Bandera. There is no getting away from it and getting rid of it.
    It depends on the outcome of the WAR whether it will be demilitarized and neutral or not.

    The entire left bank is REGIONS OF RUSSIA. It cannot and should not be otherwise.
    What kind of new Ukraine can there be on Russian lands with a Russian population???????
  3. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 28 November 2022 12: 20
    -2
    There is no new Ukrainianism in Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhia regions and never will be. There are a very small number of nationalist-Bandera units, mercenaries, who, with the help of weapons, hold and mobilize the Russian population in terbats, etc.
    The Russians are fighting from the other side. Their families are held hostage, they will get a bullet in the back, etc.
    there is no New Ukraine and no one EVEN in a nightmare wants this.
    Only to Russia with the rights of regions and no supposedly pro-Russian Ukraine with some kind of supposedly Ukrainian elite again and so on.
    Russian, Russian regions. If you want Ukrainian schools, please.
  4. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 28 November 2022 12: 20
    -3
    The author reasoned and reasoned correctly, as usual, analyzing what is happening, making predictions on this basis and formulating some proposals in the public space. One can only join his idea of ​​minimizing losses while achieving maximum results.
    But history does not know the subjunctive mood. If everything had happened like that, as Sergei urgently suggested before the very beginning of the SVO, this would not mean at all that the result would have been more positive. In fact, the fallow was actively absorbed into NATO from the beginning of the XNUMXs, and was absorbed by the twenties. Assuming such a development, NATO specialists would not have given a hybrid bite on the left bank like this with little blood, they would not have given it all! Marzhetsky is not the only one so smart))
    In confirmation, I can cite the actual events of the beginning of the NWO, when they did not let us take Kharkov, they drove us out of there at the cost of huge losses on both sides, to our greatest regret. And yes, it would be the temporary capital of the updated country ((
    1. Hiker Offline Hiker
      Hiker (Dmitriy) 28 November 2022 12: 28
      -1
      The Russian Kharkov cannot be the Ukrainian capital, like Grozny the capital of Dagestan....Maybe enough of these inventions? Just the Kharkov region of the Russian Federation, like Kherson ...
      And the entire left bank is the Russian Orthodox Church... The UOC will remain on the right bank. and there cannot be two Ukraines.
      1. passing by Offline passing by
        passing by (passing by) 28 November 2022 13: 15
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        the "leftists" can. the craving to take the baboon off the donkey and drag it to their house is incurable.
  5. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 28 November 2022 13: 26
    -1
    What a mistake that the Russian Federation could oppose to NATO in 2014, if even after eight years it cannot respond to the theft of gold reserves, confiscation of property, NATO expansion, undermining the northern streams and other dirty tricks.
    The Minsk agreements were the best of all possible options for Ukraine, the Russian Federation, and NATO, and most importantly, everyone would be alive both in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation.
    It was not envisaged that the DPR-LPR would leave Ukraine, but only autonomy + the status of a regional Russian language.
    Responsible for the failure of the Minsk agreements and the blood of thousands of people should be an enemy of Ukraine and an international criminal - powder, with fellow Bandera.
  6. moran Offline moran
    moran (Andrei) 28 November 2022 15: 22
    +3
    Donbass curator Vladislav Surkov and Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov from the Russian side, as well as “Putin’s godfather” Viktor Medvedchuk from the Ukrainian side – these are the three comrades who bear the maximum degree of personal responsibility

    I agree only in part. I would like to ask the author - where was intelligence? Why are they hushing up her frankly disastrous role in the mistakes with SVO? It seems that none of the lompas did not sit down for fraud and other exploits. Maybe that's why the mess, fermentation and outright sabotage of officials and government agencies continue?
    That,

    that he nevertheless found the courage to admit the fallacy of his decision taken in 2014,

    of course it’s good, it even shed a tear ..... but does the country have another 8-9 years for the mistakes of 2022 to be recognized, and most importantly, for the correct conclusions to be drawn, including personnel ones? Not sure.
    And to divide the skin in such situations is an empty business.
  7. guest Offline guest
    guest 28 November 2022 17: 00
    +5
    Ukrainians themselves must liberate Ukraine from the power of neo-Nazis

    But were the Germans themselves supposed to liberate Germany from the power of the neo-Nazis? But with such an approach, the NSDAP would still rule there with whatever Fuhrer.
  8. Pavel Vladimirovich 28 November 2022 18: 50
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    The Zelensky regime will be overthrown by the Ukrainians themselves.
    Nobody needs rulers like Zelensky.
    At the same time, Zelensky will face trial and prison, and his family will be exiled.
    I strongly doubt that Zelensky will be able to use his "savings". His accounts will gladly be frozen and confiscated.
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 28 November 2022 19: 43
    +1
    Again, someone else "should".
    now release.
    Some kind of Ukrainians, who seem not to exist, but there are Russians.

    Moreover, the Syrians-volunteers disappeared, the Negroes-volunteers also evaporated, you also don’t hear about Ossetians and pro-eyes, Tajiks without citizenship managed to shoot themselves out of nerves, there was only one win (like in the classics - a non-commissioned officer’s widow flogs herself ....) - must!!! must!!! liberate yourself...
  10. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 28 November 2022 20: 47
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    Donbass curator Vladislav Surkov and Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov from the Russian side, as well as “Putin’s godfather” Viktor Medvedchuk from the Ukrainian side – these are the three comrades who bear the maximum degree of personal responsibility for the fact that by November 2022 the situation had reached such a that federal channels are seriously discussing the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

    Those. are the boyars to blame?

    Our new readers can follow the link and read the belligerent comments of many Russians of those days. Especially there, someone who calls himself an "expert", "analyst" and "predictor" in one person distinguished himself by his activity, who, so to speak, predicted the capitulation of the Zelensky regime in November, maximum - in the first days of December 2022.

    That's for sure... winked
  11. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 29 November 2022 02: 41
    +4
    Vladimir Putin should be given credit for finally finding the courage to admit the fallacy of his decision, taken in 2014, which in 2022 led to such grave consequences:

    It's time for us to judge our president not by our hopes that never come true, but by the actual results of his leadership since 2000, the way adults do.
    Admitting one mistake out of many over the years is more of a maneuver than remorse for the people.
    What remains unrecognized?
    The fact that instead of developing the country for decades, he stockpiled money in the West, and in the pockets of the oligarchs, turned the country into a breeding ground for parasites, ruined it, in fact.
    He placed our gold reserves in the enemy's bosom, presented him with an ultimatum and, after freezing them, sent payments on the public debt there (they personally flushed the ultimatum down the toilet).
    He created a hot spot in Ukraine by annexing Crimea and "mothballed" it for several years instead of promptly eliminating the created problem
    He castrated the army with the hands of Serdyukov, and in 2020, with the hands of Shoigu, he successfully completed this work.
    Following the model of the reform in the army, he "optimized" everything and everyone, ruined (and continues to do so) domestic production, science, education and medicine.
    Surrendered to the enemy all our international positions.
    He climbed into the Anglo-Saxon trap in Ukraine, which is obvious to everyone, and framed the country for being drawn into a deadly war with NATO.
    After all, all this happened and is happening clearly not in our interests.
    Now think for yourself - who and for what purpose could the Anglo-Saxons really choose in 2000 to replace their eternally drunk puppet?
    1. lance Offline lance
      lance 29 November 2022 07: 29
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      and personally in 2000 you could put another person in this place - who? Yes, even under the Anglo-Saxon protectorate. it’s easy to write nonsense with obviously known errors, it’s important how to become Russian from a puppet. Putin's policy is vacillation and the search for a compromise. and if you write accusations, write who, in your opinion, would not have committed them at that time. and who is now in the presidency? no, he will have to clear up this mess himself with your help or not.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 29 November 2022 10: 20
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        no, he will have to sort out this mess himself with your help or not

        He loosens up. Continues to lead the country to guaranteed death in the war with NATO. Are you going to help him with this?
        Without a decisive influence on its overseas masters, forcing them to retreat, the NWO turns from a war designed for success into their meat grinder, grinding our best people, our precision weapons and resources.
        He will not go against his masters, simply because they foresaw it. As for the "mistakes", for an enemy agent, this is his normal job, it will continue and end in complete success if the country does not replace him and the rest of the government with the power of the people, does not cleanse itself of parasites and traitors.

        who in your opinion at that time would not have committed them. and who is now in the presidency?

        The question of his moral character is the tenth thing.
        It is necessary to change the system and ask China for help in state building, to return to the socialist path, taking into account the mistakes of the USSR. Learn lessons and move on
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 29 November 2022 12: 25
          +1
          Perhaps the country still has a year - two - three. We will continue to sleep sweetly - we will wake up in concentration camps of death. Even the Sonderkommando is ready in Ukraine. We brought it up ourselves.
          Shocks are guaranteed to us, but in one case it will be the path to the slaughter, and in the other - the path to the exit to our future
        2. lance Offline lance
          lance 2 December 2022 15: 09
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          complete ... not to say worse. China is a partner but far from a friend and brother. and only a revolution can change it like this once and everything - we have already gone through this too. so that the political structure of the Russian Federation is either confident steps towards the social sphere or a complete failure and division.
          1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
            Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 December 2022 15: 26
            +1
            so the political structure of the Russian Federation is either confident steps towards the social sphere or a complete failure and division

            It is impossible to raise one "social program", just like growing an apple without an apple tree. If you want to change something, you have to change EVERYTHING.
            Or you have to leave it all.
            As for the revolution, history does not repeat itself. People are different, and the experience is already with them, so everything will be different, but if your eyes see an abyss ahead, it’s stupid not to work hard to at least turn onto another road

            china partner but far from friend and brother

            While we are in the capitalist camp - yes. He is alone.
            After we become part of the world socialist system we are restoring, shoulder to shoulder against the enemy surrounding us, we will be fighters in all-round defense and relations between us will be the same. A just society on the whole planet is the future for all mankind. Thus we will be bound, and it too. What could be more beautiful?
            1. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
              Sidor Bodrov 5 December 2022 12: 22
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              Fat cats will not get tired of stuffing their own egg capsules, instead of restoring a full-fledged industry.
            2. lance Offline lance
              lance 6 December 2022 09: 51
              -1
              we will destroy everything to the ground, we passed it, who wants to repeat it? Yes, even in the current conditions. there is no Stalin on the horizon of liberals. so don't swim in utopia.
  12. lance Offline lance
    lance 29 November 2022 07: 21
    +2
    the "Ukrainians themselves" will never do demilitarization, etc., and certainly the liberation of Ukraine from nationalism. libel of the author about the events of 2012-2014. just his conclusion. I also believe that it was possible and necessary to take the LDNR in the Russian Federation, but God only knows what it would give rise to. it's time to think about the future in the carriage of the past you won't go far
  13. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 29 November 2022 10: 08
    +2
    there should be no Ukraine, it will be eternal Pakistan like a thorn in the body of India, if Stalin stopped at the border of Poland, then Hitler and his successor would still rule in Europe. Only a complete cleansing of the fascist scum in Ukraine right up to Uzhgorod! there is experience, actively fascist Germans became Soviet in the GDR, it is a mistake to consider as brothers those who shoot at our soldiers and ride on the Maidans, 1 turn off the lights and heating for them to leave or die 2 mow them with rockets and artillery 3 those that remain to filter, some for labor re-education by the restoration of the former Ukraine, followed by infusion into the Russian people under the influence of corrective informational influence of 2 other judges and send Yakutsk Magadan to the construction of the railway Yakutsk Magadan .... it is necessary to begin the promotion of Lutsk Lviv with a complete cleansing of the disloyal population, in order to cut off the supply of weapons from the west
  14. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 29 November 2022 14: 16
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    Novorossiya to Russia with a ban on everything Ukrainian. Little Russia - Allied with Russia with a governor general. The Ukrainian language is allowed only in personal communication. Education is only in Russian. Galicia to Poland. Sev. Bukovina to Romania. Transcarpathia to Hungary. Ukrainians to ban, equating to fascism.
  15. Brother Fox_2 Offline Brother Fox_2
    Brother Fox_2 (Brother Fox) 30 November 2022 06: 43
    +1
    the Ukraine project is inherently anti-Russia and it makes no sense to release it, so that others would come and sing a song about the main EU NATO and so on
    as they say, Carthage must be destroyed with this misunderstanding, and only the Russian army can smash this pile of shit
  16. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 30 November 2022 18: 43
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    And since then, there have been fewer agreements? Or has Putin's government become more honest? What changed? There was more blood, Putin took care of his decency - a fried rooster pecked in the ass. And it's all.
  17. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 1 December 2022 08: 09
    -1
    It's too late to drink "Borjomi" when the liver has fallen off. There can be no talk of any hybrid war between Russia and the actually zombified part of the NATO army on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR. We were drawn into a full-scale war with partial mobilization. And the outgoing hegemon just won't let us out of the fight. The prospect of creating an army of the Ukrainian Federation is not even visible. Because there are no political forces in Ukraine with any idea. This political field has been hard-wired by the current Nazi regime and the US special services.
    Why in the hell create a deliberately unviable state? The project "Ukraine", under any political "sauce" can be considered rotten. The last 30 years have shown this. Ukraine as a "square" state formation should be politically destroyed.
    I agree with Marzhetsky that the Minsk agreements turned out to be a mistake in fact. It was necessary to crush the Banderlites before their surrender then, in 2014-2015.