The return of Novorossiya: what will happen after the recognition of Donbass


Yesterday, February 21, 2022, a fateful event occurred. President Putin signed a decree recognizing the DNR and LNR. Two new state formations, partially recognized, have appeared on the geopolitical map of the world. Residents of Donbass, after 8 years of living in limbo and under constant shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, finally got a chance to return to a safe and almost normal life. After the decision to annex Crimea and Sevastopol, this is the second Great Deed, for which Vladimir Vladimirovich will be inscribed in Russian history. But what will happen next? Will he be able to put a beautiful and fat end to this protracted Ukrainian dramatic epic?


The collapse of the Minsk agreement


Recognition of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics draws a line under the completely exhausted policy appeasement of Russophobic, pro-Western Ukraine. The “cunning plan”, if there was one, was to return the DNR and LNR, unrecognized by Moscow, back to the Independent on some special status, introducing conditionally pro-Russian proteges into the structure of the government of this country. Naive dreams.

All the past 8 years since the Maidan, the Ukrainian authorities have consistently demonstrated that they are completely incapable of negotiating, since they are under the direct external control of anti-Russian forces. It was not even particularly hidden that in the event of the implementation of the Minsk agreements and the transfer of control over the border to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this pro-Russian enclave would be liquidated. Not necessarily by military force. For example, in Ukraine they intend to change the law on citizenship, according to which the holder of the second passport of the “aggressor” country (Russia) may be deprived of the right to access all social guarantees and other state benefits. Given that over 600 people in the Donbass have Russian passports, this should either lead to their rejection or forced migration.

So, the attempts to shove the Donbass back into the Independent have finally been put to rest. It is a pity that it took 8 years and a huge number of human casualties on both sides. And we must understand that Russia will also have to pay a certain price for this decision in the form of new Western sanctions. That is life. The most important thing is that all this was not in vain. What's next?

The decision to recognize the DPR and LPR was made now precisely because it is no longer only about the fate of the pro-Russian Donbass, and then Crimea. No. The recognition took place against the backdrop of negotiations between Moscow and the NATO bloc on guarantees of our national security. The transformation of Ukraine into a military foothold of the North Atlantic Alliance, where strike missile weapons can be deployed, is an existential threat to Russia itself. In other words, now we are talking not about the internal reconstruction of the Square, but about the actual control over it. And the recognition of the DPR and LPR gives the Kremlin a way out of the impasse of the Minsk agreements, into which, in fact, he drove himself.

The return of Novorossiya?


At first glance, the decision of the Russian president opens the way for the revival of the half-forgotten Novorossiya project. Even today, after 8 years of Russophobic propaganda, there are still many pro-Russian citizens in the Southeast that the Kremlin could rely on. They were stopped mainly by an argument in the spirit of: “what do you want, like in the Donbass”?

The liberation of the territory of the DPR and LPR to their administrative borders, then the liberation of Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions from the power of pro-Western puppets would give Moscow a powerful lever of pressure on Kiev. It is there that strategically important industrial enterprises are located, which, by the way, would be useful to our Ministry of Defense, this is access to the sea and the main Ukrainian trade gates, this is the source of the lion's share of budget revenues. Without Novorossia, the rest of the Independent, burdened with debts to the IMF and energy prices, is doomed to economic collapse and collapse without real fighting. This decision was optimal in 2014 and 2015, but it is quite feasible even today.

Perhaps Moscow is afraid that the NATO bloc, at the request of the legitimate authorities in Kiev, will send its troops to the rest of the territory of Ukraine, and its actual division will take place. And the scenario of the division of Independent Russia can be "profitable" only on its terms, that is, when the border passes somewhere along Galicia with Volhynia, as far as possible to the west.

Ukrainian Federation?


However, the official recognition of the DPR and LPR opens the way for another, hybrid scenario, which we have already reasoned previously. So, at the first stage, the DPR and LPR can sign an agreement on the creation of a new state entity - the Ukrainian Federation, which will proclaim itself the successor of that pre-Maidan Ukraine. The former Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov, who will create a new government of a renewed country, will have to move there, to Donetsk.

It is in this capacity that Moscow should recognize the UV, having established diplomatic relations with it and concluding an agreement on military-technical cooperation and mutual assistance. After that, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the UV should publish a program for further transformations of Ukraine, turning to the inhabitants of the part of the country still occupied by pro-Western puppets. Among them should be: the end of the civil war, the demobilization of most of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the transformation of Ukraine into a “soft federation” and, in the future, joining the Union State with the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, the restoration of trade and industrial ties with Russia, lower energy prices, giving the Russian language the status second state, etc. Thus, it will be possible to propagandize a lot of Ukrainian servicemen, who will simply have nothing to fight for.

Having conveyed its constructive program to fellow citizens, the new government should call on them to disobey the orders of the puppet regime in Kiev and not to resist the liberation forces. If after that mass protests begin in the South-East and the entire Left Bank of Ukraine, which will be coordinated by the UF government, Russia can support the national liberation movement by carrying out a humanitarian intervention, about which we reasonedpreviously. After the flight of pro-Western henchmen from Kiev, power in the country will pass to the new government. Three districts may appear in the new Ukrainian Federation: Novorossiysky, Little Rossiysky and Zapadnoukrainsky, where the latter must be demilitarized and can be administered jointly with Poland, Hungary and Romania.

With such simple actions, Moscow will achieve the return of control over Nezalezhnaya and show the West that it is able to effectively protect its national interests. This will be the best answer for him.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 12: 24
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    12:01. The Lugansk People's Republic will call on Ukraine to voluntarily withdraw troops from the Lugansk region, otherwise they will take action, said Dmitry Khoroshilov, vice speaker of the LPR parliament.

    And this is very similar to the ultimatum I predicted to Kiev.
    Measures must be assumed military-technical. With the help of allies.
  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 12: 31
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    If after that mass protests begin in the South-East and the entire Left Bank of Ukraine, which will be coordinated by the UV government, Russia can support the national liberation movement by carrying out a humanitarian intervention, which we discussed earlier.

    Ah, those teenage dreams. How obsessively they climb into an empty head. As if it happened to do nothing, but everything became nishtyak.
    And yes - without a single shot. Change the borders of countries, the fate of millions of people who have opposing beliefs.
    The history of such examples does not know. But, all of a sudden it works. Why not dream!?
    1. Sergey Ivanov_5 Offline Sergey Ivanov_5
      Sergey Ivanov_5 (Sergey Ivanov) 23 February 2022 06: 33
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      "Opposite beliefs" are only stubborn Nazis, who should be put under the knife or, at least, ignored. And what "millions" are you talking about?
  3. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2022 12: 38
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    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Ah, those teenage dreams. How obsessively they climb into an empty head.

    How old are you yourself?

    And yes - without a single shot. Change the borders of countries, the fate of millions of people who have opposing beliefs.

    It won't work without shots. The question is to make the event less bloody for both sides.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 12: 43
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      Much more than I would like.

      But adolescent thinking does not depend on age. Infantilism, dreaminess, a weak connection with real life, romanticism turning into idealism - this is what I call teenage thinking.
      I'm not trying to hurt you as a person.
      I'm just pointing out statements that, in my opinion, can only come from a teenager of any age.
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      2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2022 13: 47
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        I'm not trying to hurt you as a person.
        I'm just pointing out statements that, in my opinion, can only come from a teenager of any age.

        You allow yourself too much.

        But adolescent thinking does not depend on age. Infantilism, dreaminess, a weak connection with real life, romanticism turning into idealism - this is what I call teenage thinking.

        I have long noticed how people who have nothing to say on the merits of the issue try to belittle the opponent, devaluing everything that he says. This says a lot about your true intellectual and moral level.
        It's just funny to me. tongue
        1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 14: 15
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          You allow yourself too much.

          Truth? I do not think so.

          I have long noticed how people who have nothing to say on the merits of the issue try to belittle the opponent, devaluing everything that he says.

          There is some problem here. I usually have something to say on the merits of the issue.
          When there is nothing to say, I do not write comments.
          And, secondly, I'm just poking you in your statements. Well, yes, sometimes I do it not tolerantly.

          It's just funny to me.

          This is a good reaction. But you can also think about how weighty your arguments are.
          1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2022 19: 01
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            There is some problem here. I usually have something to say on the merits of the issue.
            When there is nothing to say, I do not write comments.
            And, secondly, I'm just poking you in your statements. Well, yes, sometimes I do it not tolerantly.

            You write all sorts of nonsense, without realizing it.

            This is a good reaction. But you can also think about how weighty your arguments are.

            Here you should first apply this golden rule to yourself hi
        2. Alexpan Offline Alexpan
          Alexpan (Alexpan) 23 February 2022 11: 08
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          The reaction of the demagogues: the messenger brought bad news - punish the messenger. This is the audacity to discuss the person instead of the subject of discussion.
        3. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 23 February 2022 14: 06
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          What will happen after the recognition of "Novorossiya"? Let's start with the fact that in fact, a couple of hours after the recognition of the DPR and LPR, Mercedes and BMW announced the cessation of production in Russia and, moreover, the cessation of the supply of spare parts for their cars. Nonsense? Of course, it's nonsense, but suddenly, for no apparent reason, the Lada concern announced a "significant increase in the price of the entire range of products" From March 1 of this year, a present for the birthday of "Novorossia" to the patrons. lol In addition, the shares of all Russian companies collapsed on all exchanges, and sanctions were imposed against sovereign loans of Russia and for absolutely all deputies of the State Duma - that is, there will be no visas or payments for their real estate in the EU from this day - fines and penalties will accumulate and goodbye real estate will go under the hammer for a penny .. Great news. Finally, they will teach this rabble to be responsible for their actions, moreover, with their wallet. And this is just the beginning. Start! In a year, let's see how the "patriotically inclined" part of the population will sing when they are faced with a total rise in price of everything and everything and the government of the Russian Federation rummaging through their pockets in order to compensate for the losses from the recognition of "Novorossiya".
    2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
      sH, arK 23 February 2022 02: 30
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      Alas, now is that rare case when the main question is not "how and at what cost" but "why and what to do with it." The "Novorossiya" project - cuts off the sea of ​​Durkaina, but alas, does not remove other problems in the future :-( There are already enough brainwashed idiots for young people! And the Western part, and the central one as well, is more difficult with it. Iosif Vissarionovich's methods are effective, but I'm afraid that they have a lot of side effects ... To feed, as the USSR did - to grow another cancerous tumor ... The best option, of course, is to relocate to the Far North and the Far East, to free "democratic" settlements, with restrictions on movement. The main thing is to understand how to solve this problem, and then solve it! ;)
  4. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 22 February 2022 12: 51
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    The return of Novorossiya: what will happen after the recognition of Donbass

    - Personally, I am in the subject

    Recognition of the DPR and LPR is a decision that suited everyone

    - I have already expressed my point of view on this matter in sufficient detail ...
    - I can only add to this that now the time is working for Ukraine and against Russia ...
    - And if Russia is going to confuse itself with "all sorts of ornateness" - such as, for example: - "The return of Novorossiya" and "other troubles" ... - then this will be an unforgivable waste of time for Russia ...
    - And as for Ukraine, she herself has not yet understood whether to be happy about it or not ... - from the fact that the LPR and DPR were finally "taken" from her ... - After all, whatever one may say, now Ukraine is freed from "Minsk agreements" and can quite realistically turn to the West for help and quite "justifiably" ask to join NATO ... - And now Ukraine can whine and itch about it all the "remaining time" ... - and Ukraine has time for this - simply not limited ... - And all these "attempts" for Ukraine may well take place - it can now be accepted into NATO ...
    - But Russia's time is very, very unlimited ... - Russia simply needs to urgently take very decisive steps ...
    - To send your troops to the LDNR for Russia - all this is absolutely not enough !!! - This is very, very little!
    - Russia is now in that situation; when she is simply forced to act and win more and more victories every day ... - If Russia "stops" and gets bogged down in all kinds of polemical discussions, endless debates, in all sorts of empty chatter on the air, etc. ... - then Russia will simply lose and she will lose even those remnants of authority that she still has ...
    - Russia has to do a lot of things very quickly... - And first of all, it is to call for a very active participation of Belarus (Lukashenko) in this whole process...
    - Or will Putin again - perceive another sniffing and lowing of Lukashenka about everything that is happening today ???
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 22 February 2022 13: 49
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      Urge Belarus not to supply fuel and lubricants to the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And soon sowing, by the way ...
      1. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 22 February 2022 13: 58
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        And soon sowing, by the way ...

        - So what ... - Let them plow and sow on the "brown", buckskin, "bay" and bring the reins into their hands ...
    2. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
      Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 22 February 2022 14: 25
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      Dear Irina! Don't rush to live.... There is someone there to plan and do what and how, I have already expressed my "regret" - and why don't you sit in the Kremlin and are not the first adviser there ?? ... . There are many different points to consider. It is good that our president has such restraint and composure ....
    3. Marciz Offline Marciz
      Marciz (Stas) 23 February 2022 10: 29
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      Yes, they will again start swindling the people of Ukraine for decades only together with Azarov!!!
  5. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 12: 52
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    The question is to make the event the least bloody for both sides.

    No matter how cynical it sounds, but bloodshed is the second question. First, why shed blood?
    There is nothing more terrible and stupid than shedding blood for the interests of others or without achieving the desired result.
    But how much blood will be shed must be considered for each alternative future.
    It is common for the intelligentsia to react to a child's tears, but not to think about the thousands of killed and injured in the future. Well, yes, maybe everything will be decided peacefully, without bloodshed.
    1. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 22 February 2022 13: 12
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      No matter how cynical it sounds, but bloodshed is the second question. First, why shed blood?

      - Yes, that's just the point - it is not necessary to arrange bloodshed; and squeeze the territory and the Dnieper itself, along with the entire Odessa region !!!
      - Once Crimea was returned like that !!! - Because they acted!!! - And today so many Russian troops are concentrated and ready for action !!! - And the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not really want to get involved in this "bad war for them" !!!
      - But they will soon "come to their senses" and they will simply be forced to shoot at Russian troops !!!
      - So it would have been in Crimea in 2015 - but they simply didn’t let anyone “come to their senses” there - and Crimea was returned !!!
      - Eh, but it seems that Russia will not be able to do anything - too sluggish and indecisive actions !!! - Alas!!!
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2022 13: 30
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      No matter how cynical it sounds, but bloodshed is the second question. First, why shed blood?
      There is nothing more terrible and stupid than shedding blood for the interests of others or without achieving the desired result.
      But how much blood will be shed must be considered for each alternative future.
      It is common for the intelligentsia to react to a child's tears, but not to think about the thousands of killed and injured in the future. Well, yes, maybe everything will be decided peacefully, without bloodshed.

      Did you understand the article after reading it?
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 14: 09
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        Understood without a doubt. The truth is, perhaps not at all as you planned.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2022 18: 59
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          Understood without a doubt. The truth is, perhaps not at all as you planned.

          This does not raise the slightest doubt. By the way, I don't care. hi
          I'm not interested in your opinion from the word "absolutely".
          1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 23 February 2022 16: 39
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            Russia has already lost. She was quite officially blamed for the failure of the Minsk agreements. Ukraine has untied its hands in all matters. However, the multi-move player, who pissed away everything that was possible back in 2014, again “outplayed everyone”, and first of all, himself. lol I'm even afraid to guess what awaits Russia now. That's just "Lada" announced a "significant rise in price of the entire model range" from March 1. Go Russia! So let's win! love
        2. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
          alexneg13 (Alexander) 23 February 2022 05: 28
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          But the thought never occurred to you: why is the agreement between Russia and the LPR and the DPR written in two languages ​​(Russian and Ukrainian)? Everything is not so simple and it is not yet evening, but only a prelude to the main part of the play. Putin solves issues of this kind not straightforwardly and not in the way that the "exceptional" and, moreover, the "chosen ones" expect from him. This is the trouble with the West. For you, the Sun rises in the West, but then the sunset of this "Sun manually" occurs, and by the West itself, and it seems forever. A reality built on a LIE cannot exist for a long time and it is doomed to wither away. If you don't have the intelligence to realize this, then that's your problem. But your continued existence depends on it. Russia has moved from defense to offensive and does not care what the West thinks about it, let alone what it does. Russia goes to capture the "Reichstag". She has no other choice and the West did not provide her with a choice, and this is the suicide of Shakalia herself (a cancerous tumor on planet Earth).
  6. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 22 February 2022 13: 22
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    I agree with the provisions of the article.
    How has the situation changed in our confrontation with the West?
    The states were splashed with cold water in their flushed faces, and now they are sobering up. Russia could not be deceived.
    Their plans remained with them, but we made the environment for the implementation of these plans unfavorable.
    Now the States will want to take revenge on Russia, but in such a way as to extract strategic benefits from this.
    I believe that we need to pay special attention to the prevention of sabotage and terrorist attacks, including at Ukrainian and our nuclear power plants and storage facilities for nuclear materials.
    We have taken the second step, after Crimea, on the road to creating an alternative civilization to the West on Earth, the core of which, involuntarily, we make ourselves.
    Probably, the enemy is temporarily stopped, you need to use this confusion and seize the initiative
    1. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
      Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 22 February 2022 14: 31
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      I agree, but not with everything ... but what, overseas there is no need to be afraid of terrorist attacks at facilities such as nuclear power plants and so on, and let them also worry that we have long arms, and now there are also drivers - truckers are planning their shares ... and who to think after that? - so let them sit there across the ocean and not blather, VVP said yesterday that we will now act without regard to all these Western satellites of the Americans and the states themselves.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 22 February 2022 14: 49
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        We still want to keep our difference from them. Otherwise, why do we need an alternative civilization at all?
        The line is very thin, between using all the possibilities and betraying yourself, but it is there.
  7. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 22 February 2022 13: 53
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    Union state with the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, restoration of trade and industrial ties with Russia, lower energy prices, giving the Russian language the status of a second state language

    If Novorossia, then why does the Russian language have the status of the second state language, and not the first? This is Novorossiya, not Novoukraina?
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2022 18: 59
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      It is not necessary to begin with infringement of the rights of locals.
  8. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 22 February 2022 13: 53
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    So, the attempts to shove the Donbass back into the Independent have finally been put to rest. It is a pity that it took 8 years and a huge number of human casualties on both sides. And we must understand that Russia will also have to pay a certain price for this decision in the form of new Western sanctions. That is life. The most important thing is that all this was not in vain. What's next?

    Imagine that this was done 8 years ago. What would happen to the energy sector of Kaliningrad, for example, if the European partners blocked the gas pipeline there? This is just one example, there are many.

    The third LNG tanker approached the coast of the Kaliningrad region
    Moscow. February 21st. INTERFAX.RU - Gas carrier Velikiy Novgorod approached the shores of the Kaliningrad region. This is evidenced by the data of global positioning systems for sea vessels. Until now, the tanker has been maneuvering in the Gdansk Bay.

    Earlier, in early February, the Marshal Vasilevsky vessel, capable of transporting LNG and regasifying for transfer to the gas transmission system and further consumption, moored at the Kaliningrad LNG receiving terminal. For the past two years, the ship has been used by Gazprom to transport LNG on the global market.

    Following the shores of the Kaliningrad region approached the gas carrier Energy Integrit. It still remains near the coast of the region, but has not yet approached the LNG terminal.

    The floating regasification unit (FSRU) "Marshal Vasilevsky" and the regasification terminal represent an alternative gas supply system for the Kaliningrad region (in case of a risk of disruption of gas transit through Lithuania). At the time the LNG terminal was put into operation in January 2019, Gazprom demonstrated how it could be used to implement an autonomous gas supply scheme for the Kaliningrad region - the intake of gas from the transit gas pipeline through Lithuania was completely stopped.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2022 19: 03
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      Imagine that this was done 8 years ago. What would happen to the energy sector of Kaliningrad, for example, if the European partners blocked the gas pipeline there? This is just one example, there are many.

      Nope. If this had been done harshly and abruptly in 2014, there would not have been even half of today's sanctions.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 22 February 2022 21: 22
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        Nope. If this had been done harshly and abruptly in 2014, there would not have been even half of today's sanctions.

        Truth? And what is the rationale for this point of view? smile
        Would they be scared or embarrassed?
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 06: 46
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          Yes exactly. They would be scared and embarrassed.
          Because at that time there were no more 8 years of shelling of the Donbass, a downed Boeing, a downed Su-24 over Turkey, Wagnerites bombed in Syria, a downed Mi over Azerbaijan, etc.
  9. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 22 February 2022 16: 22
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    what will happen after the recognition of Donbass

    In total, according to the military of the LPR, over the past day the Ukrainian side shelled the territory of the republic 65 times, 29 settlements were hit, artillery pieces, mortars and grenade launchers were used.

    February 22. https://www.vesti.ru/article/2680696
    People have been killed and continue to be killed! Now another 7 years to think about what to do next. Bad guys rule!!!
  10. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 22 February 2022 16: 38
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    It's too early for Novorossiya. First, to return the full territory of the republics.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 06: 44
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      As long as the main forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are tied up in the Donbass, it is easier to create Novorossiya. The Russian group along the entire border can support.
  11. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 22 February 2022 16: 56
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    Signed yesterday and started paying today.

    Germany stopped the certification of Nord Stream 2 in response to the recognition of the DNR and LNR. For Gazprom, this means writing off about 8 billion euros that were invested in Nord Stream 2. This is the worst case scenario. This will affect [Gazprom's] financial performance.

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-60479515
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 18: 22
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      Yes Yes. Link to BBC.
      Up to this point, the SP-2 had been working safely for itself, but then it was stopped and losses began.

      Well, they forgot to mention that 50% of the cost of SP2 was paid by European companies.

      And in conclusion, the terrible words "This is the worst scenario."
      The worst-case scenario will be when real gas problems start in Europe.
      And they will start. - 2 dollars per cube will pay. Let's see how this will affect the European economy.
      1. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
        Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 22 February 2022 19: 07
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        You are right - the worst case scenario is ahead.
        How much has Putin's adventures already cost Russia?
        2013 Russian GDP $2,23 trillion.

        2014 - $2 trillion.

        2015 - $1,326 trillion.

        2016 - $1,246 trillion.

        2017 - $1,267 trillion.

        In 2018, Rosstat officially announced the GDP indicator - $1,67 trillion, which caused serious controversy among a number of independent analytical agencies.

        In 2019, the Russian GDP was “painted” with $1,7 trillion!

        And in 2020, it amounted to about $1,4 trillion.

        The imposition of sanctions against Russia due to its invasion only affected the GDP indicator with losses of more than $5,5 trillion. If Russia had not invaded Ukraine in 2014, occupied the Crimean peninsula and part of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, its GDP would have exceeded $2020 trillion by 3!

        But instead of development, prosperity and well-being, she chose a different path.

        Yesterday Russia repeated its mistake of 2014. What will be the consequences this time? Of course, much worse than in 2014. Since the economy of the Russian Federation is already reminiscent of a convulsing suicide bomber, and the only thing left to do is put a pillow on his face so that he does not suffer.
    2. tulip Offline tulip
      tulip 22 February 2022 18: 51
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      gazprom only in 21 paid 25 billion dollars in taxes on profits to the budget on the jump in gas prices. What are the losses?))) An idle SP-2 is much more profitable for Gazprom than a working one))) and referring to the BBS is ridiculous)))
      1. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
        Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 22 February 2022 18: 58
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        SP-2, which is not working, is much more profitable for Gazprom than working - the nonsense of a madman ...
        1. tulip Offline tulip
          tulip 22 February 2022 19: 04
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          Just because you don't like the facts doesn't mean it's bullshit. If you’re smart enough, then google Gazprom’s financial indicators for 2021 - they are a record for all the years of the company’s activity - so the non-working SP-2 brought Russia good money, paying for itself)))
          1. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
            Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 22 February 2022 19: 12
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            Gazprom's financial indicators for 2021 - the average temperature in the hospital...
            1. tulip Offline tulip
              tulip 22 February 2022 19: 15
              +1
              well, yes, a scribble from the Air Force is an argument for you, but Gazprom’s tax deductions to the budget are not))) well, go ahead, jump higher, saucepan))) and get ready that soon a dollar will cost 100 hryvnias, and housing and communal services with gas and gasoline just break through the ceiling in your Ukraine)
              1. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
                Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 22 February 2022 19: 20
                -6
                Logic from a parallel reality.
                1. tulip Offline tulip
                  tulip 22 February 2022 19: 27
                  +1
                  Yes, imagine, there is a parallel reality of your Svidomo where you dug the Black Sea, grazed dinosaurs and the Russians eat the last hedgehog))) mriy and jump higher, saucepan
    3. Dear sofa expert. 22 February 2022 21: 13
      0
      Signed yesterday and started paying today.
      "Germany has stopped the certification of Nord Stream 2 in response to the recognition of the DNR and LNR.

      Who started paying?
      Germany shot itself in its own foot. Don't call it smart. Now they will pay for gas not 1000 but 2000€. Dmitry Medvedev predicted this to them on Twitter:

      Deutschlands Bundeskanzler Olaf Scholz hat den Stopp der Zertifizierung der Gaspipeline Nord Stream 2 angeordnet. Naja. Herzlich willkommen in einer neuen Welt, wo die Europäer bald schon 2000 Euro pro Kubikmeter Gas zahlen werden! (22.02.2022 19:03 Uhr via Twitter)

      And this:

      “For Gazprom, this means writing off approximately 8 billion euros that were invested in Nord Stream 2.

      - generally nonsense.
      The share of Gazprom in these investments is 50%. The second half of this amount was paid by the Germans themselves.
      1. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
        Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 22 February 2022 22: 52
        -5
        Too lazy to butt heads with such "experts", but offhand - gas is now trading in Europe for long-term trades below $ 900
        Russia due to LNG has already lost half of its sales market in Europe
        Dmitry Medvedev is still a woman Vanga
        WIKI -

        In 2018, in the May 2 Sberbank CIB report on Russian oil and gas companies, analysts Alexander Fek and Anna Kotelnikova concluded that Nord Stream 17 would cost Gazprom $20 billion and would not pay off even in XNUMX years.

        when analyzing the effectiveness of the project, one should also take into account the costs of building a gas transmission corridor from Yamal to the Baltic Sea, which amounted to at least $31 billion

        Indeed, all other European investors (not only the Germans) invested about 4 billion and stopped funding, which the EU will write off and not notice these 0,00% of their joint GDP.
        Etc.
        UDE, please do not write - you will look smarter ... And if you puff out your cheeks, you will pass for Kisa Vorobyaninov in general.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 23 February 2022 00: 59
          0
          Too lazy to butt heads with such "experts"

          Is there anything?)

          when analyzing the effectiveness of the project, one should also take into account the costs of building a gas transmission corridor from Yamal to the Baltic Sea, which amounted to at least $31 billion

          Efficiency analysis))) ... is it from Forbes, by any chance?)
          Only a complete idiot could be convinced that the land section of the gas pipeline, 600 km long, could cost 31 billion dollars, which is 4 times more expensive than the underwater part, 1200 km long. (not to mention the fact that this "pipe" (Yamal - Baltic) has long been paid for by the "first" stream) There, with the "second", only the points of entry into the sea are different.

          Indeed, all other European investors (not only the Germans) invested about 4 billion and stopped funding, which the EU will write off and not notice these 0,00% of their joint GDP.

          Wow, you are such a professional! Please explain what “joint GDP” is and how the EU will “write off” 4 billion losses to private firms? And by the way .. the British Shell company will also “write off” losses from the European Union (what word!) Will it be?)

          but offhand -
          gas is now in Europe on the long-term trading below $ 900

          Have you been to Europe? Well, if such an exhaustive competence.)

          Russia due to LNG has already lost half of its sales market in Europe

          Tell me, who tells you all these tales? )

          And here’s another question .. as a dill, doesn’t it seem offensive to you that the European Union imposes sanctions on SP2, but at the same time continues to operate the “enemy” SP (1) at full capacity, with the same Russian gas?)
          1. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
            Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 23 February 2022 10: 05
            -3
            I admit - I was mistaken, you obviously don’t pull on Kisu ... Rather, it’s Father Fedor, and his argument in the dispute was ironclad - “I do ... to” ...
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 01: 08
          -4
          when analyzing the effectiveness of the project, one should also take into account the costs of building a gas transmission corridor from Yamal to the Baltic Sea, which amounted to at least $31 billion

          Taking into account the cost of coastal infrastructure, with Sabetta and barges A. Chersky, Fortuna, 46 billion euros came out.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 23 February 2022 01: 22
            -1
            Taking into account the cost of coastal infrastructure, with Sabetta and barges A. Chersky, Fortuna, 46 billion euros came out.

            Oh, well, walk so walk!
            Write right away: a hundred hundred sixillions! (euro, of course).

            PS sorry mr. Marzhetsky does not see your "facts". Right now, I would offer to build 23 aircraft carriers with this money.)
            And he would be essentially right, by the way.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 01: 34
              -4
              There are funds for aircraft carriers. There are also funds for the construction of short-range and long-range guard ships, for coastal infrastructure, for new aircraft for Russian aircraft carriers (DRLO and U, anti-aircraft defense, electronic warfare, light transport aircraft). There are funds for a deep modernization of shipyards, shipyards, for the training of thousands of working shipbuilders and shipbuilders. There would be political will.
            2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 06: 38
              0
              PS sorry mr. Marzhetsky does not see your "facts". Right now, I would offer to build 23 aircraft carriers with this money.)
              And he would be essentially right, by the way.

              Enough 4, two each for the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet. Plus 4 UDC.
  12. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 22 February 2022 18: 01
    +1
    what will happen after the recognition of Donbass

    1. The Russian Federation recognized the DPR-LPR within their administrative boundaries, and today they control about 1/3 of their administrative territory.
    This predetermines the need to “push out” the Armed Forces of Ukraine from their positions to the administrative borders of the DPR-LPR, but the DPR-LPR will not be able to do this without outside help.

    2. Pan Zelensky spoke publicly about his desire to have nuclear weapons. Today, Ukraine does not have it, but it has delivery vehicles, nuclear power plants, technologies, production capacities and scientific potential - the matter is small, the approval of Western partners.

    3. How will the Russian Federation react to the possible start of work on the creation of a nuclear shield? Probably like Israel or the world community on the similar work of Iran, i.e. the use of force by analogy with Israel or to bargain like the world community on the conditions for stopping work on the creation of nuclear weapons.

    4. Recognition of the DPR-LPR does not solve the three main claims of the Russian Federation: non-expansion of NATO, non-deployment of strike systems and a return to the state of 1997.

    5. Recognition of the DPR-LPR on the eve of the Biden-Putin summit announced for February 24 is a demonstrative spit in the face of Uncle Sam.
    Uncle Sam must answer, otherwise it will undermine his authority and status as a world leader.
    A nuclear strike on the Russian Federation is excluded. To the possible deployment of NATO military bases in Ukraine, it was said about the military-technical response, the tasks of transferring large masses of military equipment and personnel over long distances were worked out, and exercises of the nuclear triad were held.
    The arrest of gold reserves, the ban on the use of the dollar, disconnection from the SVIT - a double-edged sword.
    The Russian Federation can switch to settlements in Euro or Renminbi, which will hit the dollar as the main world currency hard, with all the ensuing consequences for the USA.
    The ban on the operation of the Nord Stream is an empty attempt to spoil the Russian Federation (for this, the head of Gazprom, Mr. Muller, received the star of the hero of capitalist labor, i.e., the costs of its construction paid off with a profit) and a direct threat to the economy of the German region as the main pillar of the EU and NATO.
  13. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 22 February 2022 20: 38
    -7
    Wins and losses have different papeles and mameles.
  14. AND Offline AND
    AND 22 February 2022 21: 07
    +2
    Quote: Igor Pavlovich
    Logic from a parallel reality.

    From a parallel reality, here you are still talking about European propaganda. Everyone in the Russian Federation is happy for the DPR and LPR, only you have a solid negative here.
  15. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 23 February 2022 02: 12
    0
    Now is the time to get your house in order. First of all, the fight against corruption. This will be able to consolidate society around the current government.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 06: 00
      0
      I gave you a plus.
      But still, the main thing is to develop the economy and education. The fight against corruption is important, but as a means to create favorable conditions for the development of the economy and education.
  16. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 23 February 2022 11: 56
    +1
    Of the new package of sanctions, the most serious in relation to the external public debt of the Russian Federation.
    Blocking international reserves and disconnecting from SWIFT, apparently do not allow global consequences.
    As Mr. Mishustin said at a meeting of the Security Council, the government and the central bank are aware of the new sanctions and have prepared for them.
    It remains to be hoped that this is the case, as well as to the mirror reaction of the Foreign Ministry in response to sanctions against 351 Duma members and their relatives.
  17. innuendo.od Offline innuendo.od
    innuendo.od (Slav Slavych) 23 February 2022 14: 37
    0
    Novorossia - Odessa and the South of the Odessa region, predominantly populated by Orthodox peoples - Bulgarians, Greeks, Russians, Gagauzes (Turks who remained with us after the Russian-Turkish wars and converted to Orthodoxy) are experiencing a strong craving for Russia. Bandera occupation is hateful for them. Look: Bandera are strong with pinpoint strikes. Groups of punishers move mobile to areas where anti-Nazi sentiments are born and terrorize the population. Behind them, of course, is the support of the Ukrainian government (read - the Americans!). BUT! Banderva is not able to act as a united front. Not strong enough! (only beat the father with a herd (caudle)) The population of Novorossia hates them and the Bandera people know about it. Hence their cruel distrust of the inhabitants of Odessa.
    1. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 27 February 2022 15: 31
      -1
      Novorossiya - Odessa and South of Odessa region,

      This is bullshit. Until 1940, the south of the Odessa region was called Bessarabia.
  18. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
    Roma Phil (Roma) 23 February 2022 16: 10
    +1
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    . And this is just the beginning. Start! In a year, let's see how the "patriotically inclined" part of the population will sing when they are faced with a total rise in price of everything and everything and the government of the Russian Federation rummaging through their pockets in order to compensate for the losses from the recognition of "Novorossiya".

    We'll survive. They survived Yeltsin, and here we will survive for our own people.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 23 February 2022 18: 05
      -2
      Of course you are worried, but then, how. Look in Zimbabwe, Somalia and North Korea, too, like "live." laughing lol
      1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
        Roma Phil (Roma) 23 February 2022 19: 20
        0
        Our neighbor is China. Do you think that GDP went to China in vain? And certainly not in order to see the opening of the Olympic Games. And Western sanctions against Russia, it is not yet known who they will cost sideways. .......... Actually, you should know that Russia from all the EU republics imports goods only from Germany. It accounts for 10% of all imports of the Russian Federation, for all other European countries, including England -0,1% (one tenth of a percent) Russia's main trading partner is China and other Asian countries. And 40% of all consumed gas, 20% of all oil, 30% of oil products go to Europe from Russia, and most importantly, these are rare earth metals and fertilizers. For example 100% palladium. And without this metal, not a single car will leave the gates of the car factory.
  19. AND Offline AND
    AND 23 February 2022 20: 04
    -2
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Of course you are worried, but then, how. Look in Zimbabwe, Somalia and North Korea, too, like "live." laughing lol

    Tipo go there if you live! And why do we always only listen to this propaganda of yours here?