Why not Russia should fight for Ukraine, but the Liberation Army of Ukraine


The sensational decision of President Putin to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR nullified the "obscene" in essence "Surkov" scenario of the return of the rebellious Donbass to Ukraine. It also opened before Russia many scenarios for further actions to resolve the sore "Ukrainian problem." But which path should we take?


On the eve of the "Reporter" came out publication, telling about how the recognition of the statehood of the People's Republics of Donbass can allow the rest of the territory of Independence to be liberated from the power of the pro-Western Russophobic puppet regime, mainly by the forces of the Ukrainians themselves. Surprisingly, some of our particularly militant readers were not satisfied with the “hybrid” scenario: they should be given the direct entry of Russian troops, full-scale military operations against the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the subsequent occupation of the territory of a foreign sovereign country.

Well, it’s possible that it’s really impossible to do without the direct participation of the RF Armed Forces, but you can at least try, right? Let's try to speculate about why Russia's "hybrid" actions are more beneficial than a full-scale military confrontation.

Legal Status


Let's start with the fact that international law, to put it mildly, does not approve of wars and other aggressive actions against sovereign countries. Moscow has no sanction from the UN Security Council for the invasion of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine. The only legal loophole, perhaps, is the "humanitarian intervention", which we told previously. Under certain circumstances, Russia could really use it. But what about the introduction of Russian troops into the territory of the DPR and LPR, the inquisitive reader will ask.

"It's different." In the Donbass, first, nationwide referendums on independence were held and then they turned to the Kremlin with a request for recognition and military assistance. In Kiev and in the West they may not agree with this, but here Russia is acting in its own right. The introduction of Russian troops, for example, into the Kharkov or Odessa regions without the consent of the legitimate authorities is, from the point of view of international law, direct military aggression. However, we have one interesting loophole.

So, immediately after the signing of the Decree on the recognition of the DPR and LPR, a natural question arose, within what boundaries was this done, legal (administrative) or actual (along the line of demarcation). There was a real confusion. Andrey Klimov, Deputy Head of the Federation Council Committee on International Affairs, stated the following:

We are talking, of course, about those territories that are within the boundaries established today. Everything else is outside the scope of those specific legal actions that we have just observed and that will take place tomorrow.


Andrey Rudenko, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, spoke in the same spirit. President Putin had to intervene in the matter and carry out explanatory work personally:

We have recognized them, which means we have recognized all their fundamental documents, including the constitution. It spelled out the borders within the Donetsk and Luhansk regions at the time when they were part of Ukraine.


That is, all territories of the DPR and LPR are recognized as independent along their administrative borders. Or not? From the literal interpretation of the presidential decree and its public statement, it can be concluded that those territories that are designated as “their own” in accordance with the Constitutions of the DPR and LPR are considered “Donbass”. And here the most interesting begins.

Novorossiya or DKR?



In 2015, the DPR parliament adopted a memorandum, according to which the Donetsk People's Republic proclaimed itself the legal successor not even of Catherine's Novorossiya, but of the Soviet DKR:

We, the deputies of the People's Council of the Donetsk People's Republic, realizing our responsibility to the past and paving the way for the future, proclaim the continuation of the traditions of the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic and declare that the state of the Donetsk People's Republic is its successor. We call for cooperation and united efforts to build a federal state on a voluntary contractual basis, all territories and lands that were part of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic.


Recall that the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic (DKSR) was proclaimed in 1918 as an autonomy within the RSFSR, and then became part of the Ukrainian SR. It did not last long, which was facilitated by the "NATO" German-Austrian occupation of Ukraine. After the restoration of Soviet power in 1919, the DKSR was abolished and became part of the Ukrainian SSR. We are also interested in what territories it occupied: the current Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, and also partially Kharkov, Kherson, Nikolaev, Sumy regions of modern Ukraine and even a piece of Russian Rostov. True, without the Odessa region.

And what can confirm the claims of Donetsk and Luhansk to such vast territories if they are supported by Moscow?

Exemption


It can give a lot.

At first, the recognition by the Kremlin of the independence of the DPR and LPR and the opportunity to extend their sovereignty within the framework of the DKR to virtually the entire Left Bank and South of Ukraine gives reason for their residents to count on the fact that they will not get stuck this time halfway, “like in the Donbass.” Although not all, but a significant part of the local population is still pro-Russian and opposes further “European integration” through de-industrialization and the sale of land to foreigners, joining the NATO bloc and becoming a target for the Russian Strategic Missile Forces. The factor of direct support or neutrality of the main part of the local population will be of paramount importance if it is necessary to take vast territories under control.

Secondly, Russian troops will have the right to enter the territory of the state recognized by the Kremlin, the successor of the DKR, to provide it with military assistance. And this will no longer be direct military aggression.

Thirdly, a full-scale intervention of the RF Armed Forces may not be needed. The fact is that after the recognition of the DPR and LPR, all restrictions on military assistance to the Donbass were lifted. Now the pro-Russian enclave will be able to receive the most modern weapons: aviation, OTRK, air defense systems, warships, etc.

A lot has been said about how the inhabitants of the South-East suffered from the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev. In Donetsk and Luhansk, recruiting centers for volunteers from both Ukraine and Russia can be opened to create the People's Ukrainian Liberation Army. Armed with modern weapons, guided by Russian military advisers, it is she who, in theory, should expel pro-Western puppets from her territory. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will then act as a rear and support in case of unforeseen circumstances.

What could be the further actions of the Liberation Army of Ukraine?

At the first stage, it will be necessary to occupy the territory of the DKR along the Left Bank of the Dnieper, as well as to help comrades from the Odessa and Nikolaev regions. For the most part, this may be sufficient. After this, any anti-Russian regime in Kiev is simply doomed for purely economic reasons.

Imagine that tax revenues and energy resources will stop coming from the territory of the South-East, access to commercial ports will be blocked. Against the backdrop of the need to regularly pay debts to the IMF, fulfill social obligations to the population, this means an inevitable financialeconomic collapse and collapse of the puppet regime. After that, Kiev can be taken "lukewarm" and dictated to him any conditions for peace negotiations and the subsequent internal reorganization of Ukraine.

If this does not work, then the Liberation Army will have to complete its task, preferably without the direct participation of the RF Armed Forces. As for the risks of bringing NATO contingents into the territory of Ukraine and dividing it, with the help of modern air defense and aviation systems, the liberators will be able to independently establish a no-fly zone over the Right Bank and launch preventive missile strikes against the advancing foreign troops of the Iskander-M OTRK, because all restrictions on the supply such weapons have now been withdrawn.

Probably, it would be right if the Ukrainians themselves begin to liberate Ukraine with the active assistance of Russian troops.
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  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 13: 15
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    Ukrainians themselves will begin to liberate Ukraine with the active assistance of Russian troops

    Then why was it necessary to climb with a confession? Volunteers, "northern wind", this is what should have been done. Plus economic sanctions from Russia and Belarus. This was the correct path that Zatulin spoke about. The reason could be the aggravation of the situation and the shelling of the LDNR.

    My position is known, so I won't say anything new.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 13: 29
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      Volunteers will need to be taught for a couple of months, at least, how to handle small arms, including heavy weapons. Conduct engineering and reconnaissance, tactical training with them. Paying particular attention to their physical condition.
    2. tulip Offline tulip
      tulip 23 February 2022 13: 38
      +7
      on the contrary, it is after the recognition of the republics that the creation of such an army is competent in all respects. If you do not recognize the republic, then the creation of such an army is simply help to the separatists. Although I do not understand why the Donbass separatists. After the coup d'état in Kuev, they are more legitimate than Bandera)))
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 13: 39
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        As I was pointed out earlier, there is no army in the Donbass. No sun. There is a People's Militia.
        1. tulip Offline tulip
          tulip 23 February 2022 13: 40
          +2
          so that’s why there wasn’t an army before, since the republics weren’t recognized by anyone, they made a type of police, militia. Now the fact that Russia has recognized them is already shutting up more than half of the world)))
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 13: 43
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            There were 2 army corps. Of course, not in the same sense as full-blooded corps. But they could fight.
            The fact that Russia recognized them in no way does NOT silence more than half of the world. Rather, on the contrary. More than half of the world opened their mouths.
            1. tulip Offline tulip
              tulip 23 February 2022 13: 46
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              keep your thoughts about the fact that "the whole world is with you" to yourself - they are deeply purple to me))) The whole world is quietly watching how your Bandera evil spirits are being crushed. They press slowly - here, of course, another question is how to do it - quickly or slowly - but they press. Few people are interested in the attempts of the next US, EU and NATO - the rest of the countries understand everything perfectly and are silent.
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                    2. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 23 February 2022 15: 46
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                      Bakht, from Ukrainians and Russians who want to live in peace and friendship, Ukraine will be "protected" by Zelensky and his associates. smile
              2. Dingo Offline Dingo
                Dingo (Victor) 23 February 2022 19: 11
                +1
                Michael, you're right! Do not take it personally - here they are "kissed by God" ... They are minus en masse, they do not understand anything and do not want to understand .... Happy Holidays! Since February 23!... 100 grams?
                1. tulip Offline tulip
                  tulip 23 February 2022 19: 14
                  +3
                  I don’t take at my own expense and at the expense of Russia the statements of stupid Okrainians with ipso))) I already slammed 100 grams for 810 brigade of the Black Sea Fleet, where I spent my young years in the early 90s))) Where We Are, There is Victory!
                  Tomorrow at work - so little by little)
                  1. Dingo Offline Dingo
                    Dingo (Victor) 23 February 2022 23: 06
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                    That's good! It’s easier for me in this regard - I’m a pensioner. DMB 77-79
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 04
          -5
          From the change of names, their security, level of training, saturation with weapons has not changed. It takes time.
    3. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 23 February 2022 16: 20
      +1
      Now they will. Because from the status of an unrecognized republic, it passed into the status of an independent state. Do you think why this, whatever it is, "iPhone lawyer" just renamed the Russian "militia" into "police"? The Russian Federation was only one of the republics of an already collapsed state. And the term "police" differs from the term "police" as "God's gift" from "fried eggs" ... Not only that. Another structure was created - the so-called. "Rosguard" ... Under the supervision of Vitka Zolotov, a former locksmith with AZLK ... (for those who are interested, read the memoirs of Kerzhakov, his immediate superior) ... But that's not the point. I don't know which one called the gendarmerie "guard" . The title of guards is assigned to military units (regiments, divisions, corps) for heroism and courage on the battlefield. Therefore, an army officer in the Imperial Army of Russia never shook hands with an officer of the 2nd Security Department, for nonsense ... The French are more honest in this regard ... (we looked at them
      comedy "The gendarme marries"? ) But this is so, by the way. A little insight into terms. Therefore, miners, drivers, locksmiths ... everyone who rebuffed the Ukronazis, their "friendship trains", who wanted to speak Russian, who did not want to wash their toilets "in lace shorts" (by the way, where is this sloppy girl? Like, dumped in the Czech Republic?), Who remembered what the Ukrainian SSR was, and not these, "French" (who knows this term - he will understand) from Galicia - they had no choice. Only the "police" ... Otherwise, they are "terrorists" in the eyes of the hypocritical, 3.14 de ra sti chess of the "society" ... And the "nya" will try ... By the way, it drove - "" - our guys gave them - paratroopers from the "Uncle Vasya's Troops" ... In Pristina, during the capture of the airfield ... When they were "allowed" to defeat (trample in shit, in my opinion) their vaunted, debility-exclusive "army" of transgenders and pederasts ... ( sorry for my "French", moderator. I assure you it won't happen again. Just in the "seventies" of my life, faced with this scum..... Boiled.).
  2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 02
    -5
    Eligibility depends on logistics capabilities, on the availability of the amount of property in the warehouses of the Russian Armed Forces. No one will allow the combat readiness of units of the Russian Ground Forces to be reduced.
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 13: 39
    +1
    Then why was it necessary to climb with a confession? Volunteers, "northern wind", this is what should have been done. Plus economic sanctions from Russia and Belarus.

    The north wind cannot, for example, operate with the help of aircraft and other heavy weapons.

    My position is known, so I won't say anything new.

    yes, in all the media and public it is discussed and quoted.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 13: 41
      -3
      "Northern Wind" can operate in any conditions. And acted. Things of bygone days and it makes no sense to stir up. It can give target designation, as well as electronic warfare equipment. And also "voentorg" which works 24/7
      1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 13: 48
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        "Northern Wind" can operate in any conditions. And acted.

        They tell you in the case: Russian aviation could not operate there, the OTRK could not hit the headquarters and command posts, etc. Dominance in the sky is already half the victory, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine are no longer children.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 13: 52
          +2
          Well, who is talking about the Air Force or OTRK? Of course, 2014 and 2022 are a little different. But we are talking about the fact that the RUSSIAN ARMY should not participate in the liberation of Ukraine. Isn't that what you wrote? And now you are convincing me that it is the Russian army that should liberate Ukraine.
          Or will the LDNR People's Militia have aviation and OTRK in two days?
          1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 14: 45
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            But we are talking about the fact that the RUSSIAN ARMY should not participate in the liberation of Ukraine. Isn't that what you wrote? And now you are convincing me that it is the Russian army that should liberate Ukraine.

            What about your logical thinking? The point is that Russia can officially transfer heavy weapons to the LDNR and military experts to serve them as volunteers

            Or will the LDNR People's Militia have aviation and OTRK in two days?

            If desired, yes.
            1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 15: 40
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              A wonderful idea is to transfer aircraft, heavy weapons and officers / sergeants / soldiers serving them under the command of someone who is not clear.
              Well, it is not known who to interact with other units, it is not known how. And all this for what? To be considered that the Ukrainian army is fighting?

              And you, my friend, are you definitely not a Kiev spy?
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 13: 59
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        "Northern Wind" can operate in any conditions.

        If he could act like that, the material support of the personnel of the few platoon strongholds would be much better. There would be opportunities to build engineering structures. Then armored and conventional vehicles, with the DRG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, would not wander back and forth, day and night. A big problem with night vision devices, with power to them. Electronic warfare facilities, if only very outdated, and the most primitive. Their Russian servicemen are not trusted by everyone.

        And also "voentorg" which works 24/7

        laughing laughing laughing
      3. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 23 February 2022 14: 33
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        Quote: Bakht
        The north wind cannot, for example, operate with the help of aircraft and other heavy weapons.

        Yes, it can’t, but the sky over the LDNR is now ours, and it is at the complete disposal of our aviation, which, without crossing the front line, can easily destroy the entire defense infrastructure and motorized formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at a distance of missile accessibility, with the support of mobile missile systems, and the rest the case of the armies of the LDNR and the "Northern Wind". And we need to deal with this quickly, until the Yankees brought the recently promised NATO troops into the territory of Ukraine, which is fine.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 14: 35
          +1
          This is not my quote.
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 15: 16
            0
            Inserting quotes sometimes messes up. I had a similar one.
    2. Netyn Offline Netyn
      Netyn (Netyn) 23 February 2022 16: 44
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      The north wind cannot, for example, operate with the help of aircraft and other heavy weapons.

      In my opinion, the only reasonable script is Korean.
      That is, on the basis of the DPR / LPR, the creation of an alternative Ukraine. With their Sun, government, parliament. And let this alternative Ukraine take control of the entire South-East.
      And there, look at the Nikolaev slipways, the Heavy Aircraft Carrying Missile Cruiser "Pan Marzhetsky" will be launched)
    3. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
      alexneg13 (Alexander) 23 February 2022 21: 07
      +1
      Have you ever wondered why the sanctions are so "not real"? Because Russia's retaliatory economic actions will simply smash the USA to smithereens.
      And so:
      - Russia supplies 20% of diesel fuel to the USA;
      - almost the entire aircraft industry of jackals depends on components made of titanium and elements for the wings of Boeing aircraft;
      - nuclear energy is 100% tied to Russia;
      - the US army without satellite navigation is zero without a wand.
      I will not list further and this is enough, and this is not the fattest list ... And it seems that the above is the main trump card in Putin's sleeve. Jackalia has already lost her war with "pillows" too.
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 00
    -3
    Plus economic sanctions from Russia and Belarus

    At least suspend the supply of fuel and lubricants and spare parts for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 13: 27
    -4
    Ukrainians themselves will begin to liberate Ukraine with the active assistance of Russian troops

    It is necessary to prepare commanders and political workers for these units in advance. Especially
    for the company-battalion link. There is a lot of operational work for military counterintelligence workers.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 23 February 2022 18: 12
      +1
      Yes, absolutely right. Taking into account the XNUMX-year-old "brainwashing" of the generation that truly considers themselves "ancient Ukrainians" leading their ancestry from the Sumerians .... I am silent about the diggers of the Black Sea ...
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 13: 29
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    Who prevented the creation of such an army before? There were years of formation.
    In fact, they could not even defend the Lugansk and Donetsk regions.
    In my opinion, the reason is simple - there were not so many volunteers who wanted to fight.

    And who will fight while such an army is being formed? Or do you expect the APU to wait?
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 13: 35
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      All right. There was time to prepare. For example, in 2014, the training of artillerymen was carried out in 4 months.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 13: 53
        -4
        There is no evidence of evaluating the results of such training. Depends on allocated for study
        limits of barrels, ammunition, fuel and lubricants, transport resource. It is unlikely that the above was in abundance. Ground units consist not only of artillerymen.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 13: 55
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          You just don't know. I closely followed the events in 2014. Then the consumption of ammunition, fuel and lubricants and other things increased by 2-3 times. Where exactly, I don't have to say. But there were such messages.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 06
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            Probably you were at the headquarters of one of the parts of the LDNR. Enlighten about "Then the consumption of ammunition, fuel and lubricants and other things increased by 2-3 times." What kind of messages? Who did they come from?
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 14: 09
              0
              From the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It was in the open press. In the period from March to July 2014 in the Central Military District.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 12
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                Clear. Confidence is not the highest. Such a "message" goes through many filters in the editorial office, after being written by a correspondent in Rosov-on-Don, from hearsay.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 13: 46
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      Who prevented the creation of such an army before? There were years of formation.
      In fact, they could not even defend the Lugansk and Donetsk regions.
      In my opinion, the reason is simple - there were not so many volunteers who wanted to fight.

      Because they were going to return the Donbass to Ukraine and ideological passionaries were squeezed out of the NAF by all means.

      And who will fight while such an army is being formed? Or do you expect the APU to wait?

      Its backbone could be made up of "vacationers" who came as volunteers, with Russian weapons.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 13: 55
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        Because Donbass was going to be returned to Ukraine

        This idea appeared when it became obvious that the Novorossiya project was not viable.
        There are two centers of resistance left and that's it.
        If there were many volunteers, they would have reached Odessa and Kiev.

        Its backbone could be made up of "vacationers" who came as volunteers, with Russian weapons.

        Why this fig leaf? Do you still hope that the West will recognize the legitimacy of the new republics?

        We must first achieve results, and then settle political issues.
        Enough - for eight years they led round dances around Minsk. Helped a lot?
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 14: 47
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          Because Donbass was going to be returned to Ukraine

          This idea appeared when it became obvious that the Novorossiya project was not viable.
          There are two centers of resistance left and that's it.
          If there were many volunteers, they would have reached Odessa and Kiev.

          Lies. The Kremlin itself made Novorossiya unviable by refusing to recognize the results of the referendum in the DNR and LNR.

          what is this fig leaf? Do you still hope that the West will recognize the legitimacy of the new republics?

          We must first achieve results, and then settle political issues.
          Enough - for eight years they led round dances around Minsk. Helped a lot?

          You would still have education and intelligence, there would be no price as an expert and predictor hi
          In the meantime, use others. .
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 15: 08
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            So maybe that’s why he didn’t admit that he didn’t see prospects?

            In theory, tens of thousands of volunteers, with a little military assistance from Russia, could defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I read constantly that in 2014 Kiev could have been taken almost by a platoon.
            Why didn’t they organize, didn’t create an army. Didn't they take Kiev and Lvov?
            Was recognition necessary? Without this, in any way? Help was military.

            It seems that the APU was not so weak, and no, the influx of volunteers from Ukraine was so great. Now, of course, Russia is again to blame for not occupying Kiev in 2014. And what has not been recognized since the beginning of the republic. So maybe it was not a mistake, but knowledge of the real situation?

            Today, when Russia is already ready to start a war, it is proposed to start creating some other army. Third in a row, if you count the armed forces of the republics.

            So that later, twenty years later, or even two years later, the politicians of the new republics declared that the Russian Federation generally performed only auxiliary functions.
            1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 15: 42
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              So maybe that’s why he didn’t admit that he didn’t see prospects?

              That's not why at all. Why else would you admit it now?

              In theory, tens of thousands of volunteers, with a little military assistance from Russia, could defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I read constantly that in 2014 Kiev could have been taken almost by a platoon.
              Why didn’t they organize, didn’t create an army. Didn't they take Kiev and Lvov?
              Was recognition necessary? Without this, in any way? Help was military.

              Yeah. Without weapons and supplies. Storyteller.

              It seems that the APU was not so weak, and no, the influx of volunteers from Ukraine was so great. Now, of course, Russia is again to blame for not occupying Kiev in 2014. And what has not been recognized since the beginning of the republic. So maybe it was not a mistake, but knowledge of the real situation?

              There was no influx because the Kremlin did not recognize the referendums of the DNR and LNR. No one wanted the same for themselves, they didn’t want to fight for no reason.

              Today, when Russia is already ready to start a war, it is proposed to start creating some other army. Third in a row, if you count the armed forces of the republics.

              This third army should be created on the basis of the armed forces of the republics and vacationers from the RF Armed Forces. If you yourself are not able to reach this simple thought.

              So that later, twenty years later, or even two years later, the politicians of the new republics declared that the Russian Federation generally performed only auxiliary functions.

              Where will they go. After the victory, it is necessary to set up a network of Russian military bases on the territory of Ukraine. To avoid relapse.
              1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 15: 57
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                That's not why at all. Why else would you admit it now?

                On the territory of the former Ukraine, Russia is solving its own tasks.
                Aid to the republics is a bonus.

                Yeah. Without weapons and supplies. Storyteller.

                There were weapons and supplies. There weren't enough people.

                No one wanted the same for themselves, they didn’t want to fight for no reason.

                Well, yes, Russia is to blame. It did not create enough incentives for Ukrainians to fight for their country.

                This third army should be created on the basis of the armed forces of the republics and vacationers from the RF Armed Forces.

                The idea is clear. But there are arguments against: time, confusion and friendly fire.
                In my opinion, this is just sabotage. Start building a new army and make the armed forces of the republic incapacitated for some time.

                Who will fight now? You never answered - will the Armed Forces of Ukraine wait for all these transformations?

                Let me guess. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are now entering into battle with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Ukrainian new army is engaged in organizational and preparatory issues. And by the autumn she will be ready to liberate her native country.

                After the victory, it is necessary to set up a network of Russian military bases on the territory of Ukraine.

                No networks needed. Ukrainians themselves must firmly take not only power, but also weapons into their own hands. Themselves to catch and destroy Bandera. All by themselves - by themselves - by themselves.
                Russia will help. If so, you can refer to me. winked
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 17
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        Its backbone could be made up of "vacationers" who came as volunteers, with Russian weapons.

        One of the tasks of the Russian command was to keep secret information about such "vacationers", their undesirable use on the front line. Including the fall of Russian transport, equipment and weapons into the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For example, as when trying to storm the platoon strongholds "Valera", "Moisha", "Zhozha", "Aleksey", "Sergey" / We drew conclusions from the clumsy work of staffing the opposition's tank crews in November 1994.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 14: 48
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          Yes, but it's no longer a secret. You can help officially.
    3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 13: 50
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      And now the mobilization is voluntary. Such an innovation. Mobilization cannot be voluntary. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are controlled not from the General Staff, and not from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
    4. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 23 February 2022 18: 33
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      Sorry for the indiscreet question - you? If not, then he must distinguish the "militia" from the "police" ... Functionality ... weapons ... rights ... The army is the prerogative of the State !!! ... For the especially gifted - the Independent State! ... And not self-proclaimed republics ... Otherwise, they get the status of "terrorists" with all the consequences ... Okay, how are you - ExpertD, anal and teak, Pre-collective farm .... You've been rubbing here for a long time - I read your comments ... Boy, are you? You don't "fumble" in legal terms at all? How did Crimea "sail" to its native harbor with virtually impunity for Russia? Can you explain that, "couch"?
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 13: 48
    -2
    Although not all, but a significant part of the local population is still pro-Russian and opposes further “European integration” through de-industrialization and the sale of land to foreigners, joining the NATO bloc and becoming a target for the Russian Strategic Missile Forces.

    It is quite wasteful to spend expensive strategic ammunition for such purposes. About pro-Russian sentiments. If they are available, then no conscription, or recruitment for a contract in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, were frustrated. Foreign instructors would have no one to train and educate.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 14: 49
      -2
      Are you out of your mind? Recruitment in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the result of anti-Russian propaganda.
      The pro-Russian residents simply keep quiet so that the right-wingers do not come to them. They took away their hope.
      And now here she is again.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 16: 48
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        Why did the Political Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces, having a whole apparatus and special propaganda departments in the military districts and fleets, not conduct counter-propaganda in this theater of operations?

        They took away their hope.
        And now here she is again.

        Who took her? And how did she appear? Why was there no stability in this most important military-political process?
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 23 February 2022 13: 48
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    What is the liberation army? Name Shukhevych or just Hitler? There are no longer people with brains, they have pots instead of brains.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 14: 50
      -1
      Speak for yourself. There are enough normal people. They are just scared and hopeless.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 15: 26
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        There are enough normal people. They are just scared and hopeless.

        The construction of the phrase shows that people (according to the author) are not to blame. They were intimidated and deprived of hope.
        Those bastards that intimidated and deprived are to blame.
        Probably too complex an idea. Oh, let it stay smile
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 15: 42
          -1
          It's definitely difficult for you. hi
  • Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 23 February 2022 13: 49
    +2
    Then why was it necessary to climb with a confession? Volunteers, "northern wind", this is what should have been done. Plus economic sanctions from Russia and Belarus. This was the correct path that Zatulin spoke about. The reason could be the aggravation of the situation and the shelling of the LDNR.

    Without recognition, any movement would concern the whole of Ukraine. Moreover, in case of an unfavorable development of events, Russia could not decisively intervene (aviation, cruise missiles, etc.). In addition, a hybrid offensive against the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not clear for what purpose they would have been designated in the West as a hybrid military aggression of Russia.

    Now everything is very clear, Kiev did not fulfill its Minsk obligations, which caused the loss of Donbass. To what extent other pro-Russian regions are ready for their own liberation from the inadequacies in Kiev, a lot will probably depend on the development of the situation.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2022 14: 06
      +1
      Without recognition, any movement would concern the whole of Ukraine.

      That's where the dog rummaged!!!!
      This is what I have been trying to convey for many years to understand the situation. Extrapolating from your statement, I can assume that now the issue of "the whole of Ukraine" is no longer relevant.
      What happened has already happened. The step was wrong, but it is no longer possible to retreat. Now we have to go all the way. Novorossiya is the minimum that is needed. All of Ukraine is a maximum task. And time is running out fast. The offensive should begin in the coming days. Preferably this week.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 23
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        Now we have to go all the way.

        "Ends" may take place different. One of them is the mobilization resources of the Russian Armed Forces, the capabilities of tank repair plants to restore equipment, the capabilities of the evacuation service, the operation of hospitals, medical battalions and sanitary companies, the presence of a trained reserve in military districts. The reaction of the NATO command, the level of support for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For example, the support of the PRC in 1980-1989 for the Mujahideen was colossal. And it played a role in curtailing the activity of OKSVA in the DRA, up to the evacuation.
      2. 1_2 Offline 1_2
        1_2 (Ducks are flying) 23 February 2022 14: 36
        +2
        you are mistaken Svidomo)) it is the "decommunization" of the entire Bander State Department of Ukraine that is now the question before the RF Ministry of Defense, and the issue is already being resolved
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 16: 50
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          Why did they remember about "decommunization" yesterday? Did it take place in Russia?
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 07
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      To what extent other pro-Russian regions are ready for their own liberation from the inadequacies in Kiev, a lot will probably depend on the development of the situation.

      good
  • Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 23 February 2022 13: 50
    +2
    Now - only the Russian Federation.
    So that the APU does not even try to rock the boat.
    One large boiler - along the adm borders of the DPR and LPR or immediately along the Dnieper.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 14: 00
      -1
      Yes exactly. It is impossible to wait another eight years until the volunteers gather and get to the republics.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 10
        -3
        Relying on volunteers in such operational matters is the height of naivete. They are not bound by contract or oath. Their moods can change dramatically under enemy fire.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 14: 52
          -1
          It depends on who you mean by volunteers. If the backbone is the personnel of the LDNR Armed Forces and "vacationers", then everything is fine. Such an army can be the tip of the blow, and the Russian one will prop it up, occupying the liberated territories as an ally.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 16: 58
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            If the backbone is the staff

            Such a high-quality composition is still to be found in the Russian Armed Forces themselves. After all the organizational confusion and massive cuts. The special forces cannot plug all the holes, he had a lot of work on the Syrian bridgehead.

            Sun LDNR and "vacationers", then everything is fine.

            Is that like "normal"? How about a trained, peer-reserve? If the matter drags on? They're not going to pick strawberries. And who will control the conquered territories in the first months? The size of the bridgehead is impressive. UAVs and transport will require not so little. As with the strengthening of the border guards. There is no anti-sabotage and training for motorized riflemen in the Combat Course. On counter-terrorism, the most elementary actions were practiced.
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  • innuendo.od Offline innuendo.od
    innuendo.od (Slav Slavych) 23 February 2022 14: 01
    +3
    The author is right: if the primordially Russian Northern Black Sea region leaves the "Ukraine", the Bandera "state" will disappear ..
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 14: 06
      -3
      It won't disappear, it will get smaller. Which, however, is also good.
      1. innuendo.od Offline innuendo.od
        innuendo.od (Slav Slavych) 23 February 2022 14: 11
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        Seven ports of world importance in our Russian Northern Black Sea region are donors, the circulatory system of the economy of the "state" named after I. Lenin. When they return to the Native Harbor, the banderstat will die.
        1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 14: 15
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          Still, it's safer to get it. And so there will be patrons. A little money will be thrown. And this territory will spoil Russia, like some kind of Lithuania or the Czech Republic. A trifle, but why leave them? It is better to spend a little time and effort - to clean, shake out the dust and shit.
          1. innuendo.od Offline innuendo.od
            innuendo.od (Slav Slavych) 23 February 2022 14: 46
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            Please note: Israel, in response to our recognition of the DPR and LPR, keeps a significant silence. The Israelis understand too well (alas!) what Bandera is!
          2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 14: 55
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            Nobody says leave. You can simply destroy it economically at first by blockading Donbass and Crimea, just like they do. Let them feel what it is.
            Then you can take it with your bare hands.
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 14: 24
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        If access to the Black and Azov Seas is maintained, then the actions of the Russian Armed Forces will be ineffective.
        1. 1_2 Offline 1_2
          1_2 (Ducks are flying) 23 February 2022 14: 34
          +1
          in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation they serve not dumber than you, on the contrary, they are smarter
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 16: 40
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            Even smarter! They gave the Armed Forces of Ukraine eight years to lick the wounds received in 2014-2015. Draw conclusions, take stock, replenish, understaff, get equipment, pick it up from the floor, and put the Ukrainian military-industrial complex at least on both knees. The LDNR police did not receive such assistance.
            The one who is able to offer the population an optimistic development project wins the enemy. Really raising its level of consumption.
            You won't last long on robbery and violence.
            There is no such project in Russia yet, so there are practically no people willing to donate.
            The Bolsheviks, having seized power, wasted no time in issuing several decrees: "Decree
            about the earth. "," Decree on Peace ", which attracted the sympathy of millions. The Red Army received masses of peasant conscript youth who fought for "power-loving". The Bolsheviks were able to quickly mobilize the officer cadres of the old army.
            Today, many see that the beneficiaries of all actions literally,
            are very rich and successful, and only the simple-minded believe that the struggle is for national interests, and not for markets and gas and oil pipes.
            They hire "wild geese" for money, they fight, but what if the opposite side can still raise the people to fight?
            Geese with plucked feathers will scatter.
            Deep social reforms can bring the population of the LDNR out of the timelessness of the Minsk agreements.
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  • 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 23 February 2022 14: 23
    +2
    stop smacking nonsense)) Russian Little Russia will be liberated by Russia, we are not seizing foreign territory! we are liberating our Russian land (for which our great great-grandfathers gave their lives for hundreds of years) from the occupation of the bankrupt Zionists of the State Department.

    these cattle decided that they could take away the Russian land simply by staging a coup d'état? simply by printing trash cans, and then hire thug militants for these candy wrappers and buy corrupt bureaucrats of Ukraine who will hand over everything for money and permanent residence?
    Of course, you can arrange a Maidan on the territory that the Russian Federation does not control, that's just
    it is impossible to gain a foothold on historically Russian soil, the Russian Federation will nullify not only militants and corrupt bureaucrats, but the entire pseudo state called Ukraine
    1. innuendo.od Offline innuendo.od
      innuendo.od (Slav Slavych) 23 February 2022 14: 52
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      Exactly! The primordially Russian Northern Black Sea region, occupied by animal banders, will return to the Native Harbour!
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 14: 53
      +1
      stop smacking nonsense)) Russian Little Russia will be liberated by Russia, we are not seizing foreign territory! we are liberating our Russian land (for which our great great-grandfathers gave their lives for hundreds of years) from the occupation of the bankrupt Zionists of the State Department.

      Ah, okay. Have you signed up to volunteer yet? smile
    3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 17: 09
      -2
      So far, only empty slogans. I'll believe it when I see you lightly wounded in bed. Or replenishing the side kit, putting the weapon in order after the battle.

      simply by printing trash cans, and then hire thug militants for these candy wrappers and buy

      For some reason, the Russian population, violently condemning the sanctions, rushed to buy dollars and euros.

      corrupt bureaucrats,

      In Russia, this stuff is enough for five Ukraines.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 15: 22
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    You would still have education and intelligence, there would be no price as an expert and predictor
    In the meantime, use others.

    Unfortunately, I have bad news for you. Even if you get an education (not a diploma) and by some miracle become smarter, nothing will change. Because you have a teenage mind. You will, as usual, blow bubbles, puff out your cheeks and pointlessly bully those people who are too tough for you.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2022 15: 44
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      You will, as usual, blow bubbles, puff out your cheeks and pointlessly bully those people who are too tough for you.

      Is that you? laughing Oh, you are fathers.

      Unfortunately, I have bad news for you. Even if you get an education (not a diploma) and by some miracle become smarter, nothing will change.

      I am now getting my third education, political science. The first and second - legal and journalistic, both with honors. In terms of your level of competence, I'm sorry, you are no match for me, sickly.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 February 2022 16: 05
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        In terms of your level of competence, I'm sorry, you are no match for me, sickly.

        I agree only with the legal - I'm not fit.

        As for the journalistic and political science - there is even nothing to say. This is not education, in my opinion.

        My education is physics. Not physical education, as you might think, but physics.
        So this is "You are not good for me in terms of competence, sorry, you are sick."

        Do you consider writing articles the work of a journalist or a political scientist? Or maybe a lawyer?
  • Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 23 February 2022 16: 52
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    We'll find out soon. I believe that we will live in a single state, and all Ukrofascists will be destroyed.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 17: 04
      -1
      Nice spoon for dinner. Half measure is worse than defeat.
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 17: 03
    -1
    In the photo for the post, servicemen are driving BMD. Easily pierced by small arms, and also set on fire. Lack of motorized riflemen? Or someone's miscalculation?
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 23 February 2022 20: 03
      -1
      military personnel go to the BMD. Easily pierced by small arms, and also set on fire. Lack of motorized riflemen? Or someone's miscalculation?

      - In general - I'll be honest:
      - Personally, I am very worried about how all this rather well-prepared Ukrainian "Army of the Armed Forces" (if we compare it with the "low-shooting Russian army") would not pile on our valiant Russian Armed Forces ...
      - Yes, yes, yes - exactly like that ... - Well, what can we do today and how - to "surprise and impress" someone with the level of training of Russian troops ???
      - Well, at least the Armed Forces of Ukraine were firing non-stop - from everything that shoots - all these 8 years ... - They simply destroyed all the leaders and commanders of militia units (Givi, Motorola; and Zakharchenko himself) ... - About two months ago - easily and they just slaughtered a whole guard of militias with impunity ... - I didn’t want to be here the “dissonance” of all the bravura pathos that pours out abundantly from many speakers here ... - but there is an objective reality - but there is an elementary ignorance of many "nuances" and just a clear unwillingness Realistically assess the situation...
      - As for you, Mr. gunnerminer (gunnerminer) - you are one of the very few who really and objectively assess the situation and speak according to your objective assessments ...
      - My pluses - to your comments ...
      - I repeat once again - I personally am very worried that the Russian Armed Forces may suffer a very strong fiasco in military clashes with the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... - Today, the preparation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, artillery firing systems, armored units and other military formations - leaves much to be desired. .. - And since 2014 - in fact, little has changed ... And how our, not very well-trained Armed Forces will show - and even in "unfamiliar territory" - this is a very, very big and disturbing question ... - About Russian Navy - just keep silent ...
      - Okay, I'm not going to escalate ...
      - Happy holiday to you!!!
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 21: 55
        -2
        We fight not only with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And with NATO. Perhaps with the Japanese Self-Defense Forces. Here in the photo reports about our BTGs there are no photos with Armata tanks, with Su-57s. There is very little basis for aviation - long-range aviation and military transport. A few ships. There are very few minesweepers and submarines. There is no naval aviation.
        Thanks for the congratulation !
  • Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 February 2022 17: 29
    -1
    Again, they did not have time to make a statement, and Russia already "should" someone, the path is still "not"

    Why not Russia should fight for Ukraine, but the Liberation Army of Ukraine

    But in real life, everyone understands that what the Kremlin will allocate money and resources for, then they will fight.
    At least the OAU, at least the Ukrainian Liberation Front of Honduras, at least the LDNR Police.

    "The Liberation Army of Ukraine" - it sounds too stupid, it smacks of some kind of Uganda or Tamils.
    The second - gives the films of the Goblin, but the third is it. And you don't have to think of anything.

    Give them tanks, aviation, radio, effective managers from the EDR, career officers / cadets, retirees and that's it.

    The main question is how and in what timeframe it will be, but this is clearly not a question of the level of observers and readers
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 22: 00
      -2
      So quickly the army (operational unification) cannot be prepared. If you massively second junior and senior officers from the Russian Armed Forces, it will be "not right." It will take at least two years, with stable funding, a stable flow of ammunition and equipment, fuel and lubricants. And this is possible only due to the torn apart parts of the Russian Ground Forces. Suffering from the shortage of military personnel of all categories.
  • Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) 23 February 2022 18: 00
    +1
    And these "French" ones do not understand other measures of influence ... The Jewish boys from the "towns" do not understand ... Due to their inferiority, they are trying to grow (physically too) from the role of "clown actors" into the role of "dictators - Caesars" (Bliin ... here is the pedigree ... and the mentality ...) There are such examples in history - the surname Schicklgruber in translation means "comedian". They say that he painted well ... But, to his credit, he was a corporal, fought in World War 1 ... Until my father, who "received" them in June 41, serving urgently in Belarus (Western Special District) at 45, did not "weave bast shoes" with those who remained alive from that call, this "possessed" ...... Unlike the Jewish boy - the deviationist ... As their curators-cowboys do not understand (in our opinion, they are just shepherds ... "Honestly, guys. They have the psychology of shepherds. Remember Zadornov - "Well, tuuupyyyeeee ...") ... Our Lavrov - on the lips "De ... ly, damn it ... b." And where do you get your mind from, huh? 200 years of the history of a nation of adventurers, swindlers, robbers (sorry, gangsters), pirates, they won’t add mind ... It was Peter 1 in Russia who “nullified” more than 5 years of history with one stroke of the pen ... (tradition, however) ... And now, (for the especially gifted), the status of the unrecognized republics has changed. These are independent states ... With all the consequences ... Having the right to conclude ANY treaties with any independent states. Having the right to maintain their military bases on their territory, as well as on the territory of other states ... No, guys, you are an agreement - then read? Or, as it is, with Pasternak - "I have not read the novel. However, I am deeply outraged by it."?. And these, I emphasize, independent states have territorial claims to a neighboring state. When to start - it's up to them. And help - under the mutual assistance agreement - they will receive from Russia. And since they are independent, no one, not even Russia, has the right to stop them in their further advancement. This is not 000-2014 ... with "Surkov" liberalism in Russia ...
  • Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) 23 February 2022 19: 04
    +2
    Damn... I've been here recently - but I wonder - what kind of "god-kissed" sofa "experts" have gathered here ... After reading the comments ... Guys, you don't rummage in legal subtleties at all ... In general! You don’t even understand - and therefore you can’t even explain to yourself - how Crimea “floated” to Russia ... And the “polite” had nothing to do with it ... It just didn’t happen ... How is it, in "The meeting place cannot be changed" - “You, cop, have no tools against Kostya Saprykin” (I can’t vouch for accuracy - a dialogue for memory ...) These people didn’t have tools to influence Russia ... whatever they are ... Yes, to hell with them! ...
    You didn't listen to President Putin's address, you didn't notice Naryshkin's "reservation"... What should I talk about with you, huh? Damn - either get drunk - or kill yourself ... Get drunk late, kill yourself early, like ... I'll take a stack - happy holidays, friends and comrades! Since February 23 - the Day of the Soviet Army and Navy !!!
    1. art573 Offline art573
      art573 (Artyom Vladimirovich Yarovikov) 24 February 2022 23: 03
      0
      your dialogue, to the fact that all regions will become part of the Russian Federation (maybe if only Hungary, in agreement with us, takes some areas of one region for itself)
  • Yuri Neupokoev Offline Yuri Neupokoev
    Yuri Neupokoev (Yuri Neupokoev) 23 February 2022 20: 54
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    The thought is correct. Without the desire of the population of Ukraine (or part of it), no one will climb there. Many (especially young ones) have already been so brainwashed there over the years that there really is no necessary resource to rebel there, and many are shriveled, intimidated. Yes, and it takes time to prepare and run in such an army (if there are those who wish, and this is not two months). All this is slow and not so clear. Rather, there will be an option when the Russian Federation will wait (negotiate with the United States, put pressure on it economically) when this abscess swells up. This is only if the impudent Saxons do not really start climbing earlier with their troops or the Ukrainians themselves trample on - then we will be forced again ... We do not need a war, we are clearly being pushed towards it. The impudent Saxons have firmly entered Ukraine, now it will not be easy to smoke them out of there.
    The fact that the evacuation of people continues clearly indicates that we are preparing for the worst. Yes, and the shelling does not seem to subside. But the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have not yet entered and have not mastered it. We have made a kind of forced move forward (finally) and it is in the paradigm of our reasonable security requirements. But this is only the beginning.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 23 February 2022 22: 05
      -2
      We do not need war, we are clearly being pushed towards it

      good good good

      A balanced economy has not been established for 30 years without a war and without sanctions. And even in wartime, and with the growing sanctions pressure, we will certainly not fix it. In the government, there are figures from the 80s and 90s, unprincipled, who do not come up with anything new. In such a difficult time, in addition to slogans about an asymmetric response, fresh, original ideas are needed.
  • Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
    Rico1977 (Alexander) 24 February 2022 05: 23
    +2
    We do not need any "Ukraine". It will always be anti-Russian shit. and it must be destroyed forever. Only as part of Russia and nothing else. Enough already to grow all sorts of scum in our Little Russia.
  • akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 24 February 2022 06: 17
    +1
    Basta, karapuziki, dancing is over!" - the president has now announced the beginning of a military operation to return the brain to the Banderzyans!
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 06: 32
    0
    Well, that's where it started. And, it is very likely that the former Ukraine will be completely reformatted.
    I hope it will be divided into several parts. Some will return to Russia, the rest of the territories will become either neutral or friendly to the Russian Federation.
  • art573 Offline art573
    art573 (Artyom Vladimirovich Yarovikov) 24 February 2022 23: 01
    0
    It seems to me that Pushilin (the head of the DPR) should personally be awarded the Hero of Russia by the President of Russia. As a leader for Russia, he did more than many in Moscow.
  • VladimirTs Offline VladimirTs
    VladimirTs (Vladimir) 2 March 2022 02: 24
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    Of course, you brilliantly predicted the invasion itself back in early February, but as for the proposal specifically in this article, is it possible to count, based on how fairly the United States and the West assessed the Crimean events, that they will say: “Since people from the DPR are fighting, and in In 2015, the DPR parliament adopted a certain memorandum, it doesn’t matter that there are Russian ships and planes and air defense, we will consider this a civil war and limit sanctions. Not to mention the realism of the project to transfer all this without the Russian army to the DPR itself and the fact that the West will generally distinguish people from the DPR with Russian passports from Russian military personnel.
    As far as I understand, the US needs a controlled conflict in the non-dollar zone in order to prevent the dollar from dropping. And he relied on the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. And any success of Russia in terms of destroying these plans will cause sanctions, regardless of the legitimacy of the method, and only because counter-sanctions will drop the euro and this will be an alternative way to support the dollar pyramid. I would recommend that you remove this article as not fully developed.
  • boris epstein Offline boris epstein
    boris epstein (Boris) 3 March 2022 18: 28
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    Theoretically, everything is correct. In practice, it takes time to form, train, arm, finance the Liberation Army of Ukraine, command cadres, counterintelligence cadres. With frames, too, not a lot. Yes, and there is just no TIME. The leadership of the nationalist Ukraine of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions must be finished off the sooner the better. Zabugorsk mercenaries - 200 pieces from Croatia have already begun to arrive and began to attack Russian rear columns.