What are the interim results of two years of Russian military training in Ukraine?

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Today, February 24, 2024, marks exactly two years since the start of a special military operation to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. In this regard, you can try to summarize some of its intermediate results and imagine what could happen next.

2014-2024


As is customary, let's start with the good. In March 2014, following the results of popular referendums, Crimea and Sevastopol returned to the Russian Federation as two new entities, and in May of the same year, referendums on self-determination were held in Donbass, but their results, with all due respect, were not recognized by Moscow.



In February 2022, the DPR and LPR were finally officially recognized by the Kremlin after eight years of unsuccessful attempts to return them back to Ukraine under some kind of “special status.” After this, the SVO began with the above-mentioned goals. In October 2022, referendums were held on the issue of joining the DPR and LPR, as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, into the Russian Federation with the rights of four new subjects. In other words, over the past ten years, the territory of Russia has grown significantly at the expense of the former Ukrainian territory, for which the local residents themselves voted.

The only problem is that the results of the popular expression of will were not recognized either by Kiev or by the “Western partners” behind them. A military clash with Ukraine for its attempt to return to the 1991 borders was objectively predetermined already in March 2014. What the author of these lines wrote about all this in May 2015 can be read at link.

Currently, a certain consensus opinion is that the Northern Military District should have started not on February 24, 2022, but earlier, when Kyiv did not have a large combat-ready army, and Ukrainian society had not yet been completely indoctrinated with Russophobic propaganda. As a matter of fact, this was recently admitted personally by President Putin in an interview with journalist Pavel Zarubin, who tried in every possible way to find a peaceful solution within the framework of the Minsk agreements:

The only thing we can regret is that we did not begin our active actions earlier, believing that we were dealing with decent people.

Another conditionally positive thing to note is the sobering up of Russian society, which before the start of the Great Patriotic War was generally in a mood of mischief-making. Here I would like to remind the publication of, published on “Reporter” on January 23, 2022, which contained the following lines:

For 8 years of our “doing nothing”, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have changed a lot. If in 2014 Kiev had only 1 combat-ready battalion for the whole country, today the total number of the Ukrainian army is already 255 thousand people, of which 145 thousand are in the ground forces. The mobilization reserve is 900 reservists, plus the so-called "volunteer battalions" and other armed formations, consisting of ideological nationalists, account for another 90 people. This is a big power.

It should be taken into account that over the past years, the Ukrainian military has been trained by NATO instructors, they have gained real combat experience in the Donbass, and the level of controllability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has increased significantly. You won’t be able to drive them across the field in a white Niva anymore, and you can forget about the “boilers”... This is all very serious. The jokes are long over. A war with such an enemy will cost us a lot of blood.

Something else about the format in which the war in Ukraine could take place was written in ARTICLES dated February 7, 2022. It is very interesting now, more than two years later, to re-read the then comments of various experts, analysts and predictors.

Another positive change is the significant increase in the size and combat effectiveness of the Russian army. During these two years, the RF Armed Forces themselves gained valuable combat experience, learned to hold the line against a numerically superior enemy, and even successfully attack in highly fortified areas. The recent operation to liberate the main outpost of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Donetsk, Avdeevka, serves as clear confirmation of this.

The negative consequences are also well known to everyone: economic sanctions against our country, painful military losses, and also the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces transferred their terrorist attacks from Donbass to the entire territory of Russia accessible to them. The latest trend is extremely negative, which is associated with the transfer of increasingly long-range weapons to Ukraine. Therefore, it’s time to talk about a special operation to help the people of the Russian Federation, which since 2014 has included six “new” regions.

Three scenarios


The first script possible further events involves relying on permanent attempts to reach an agreement with the “Western partners” behind Kiev on some kind of compromise. Within its framework, combat operations will be carried out mainly in the “new” Russian regions without decisive offensive actions with crossing the Dnieper, cutting off enemy lines of communication in Western Ukraine, etc. Whether this strategy will be justified, time will tell.

However, it seems that American Democrats will not allow Donald Trump to be re-elected as president in November 2024, and even if he manages to return to the White House, there will be fundamental changes in his policy will not happen in the Ukrainian direction. If everything goes like this, then the enemy will simply use the time gained to prepare for the continuation of the war with Russia. The problem is that the ruling elites there are simply not interested in any compromises with the Kremlin. Instead of peace or a truce, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will terrorize Russia more and more until they realize that there is no alternative to the forceful scenario.

Second script involves an attempt to transform the war in Ukraine back into a civil format. About what this means and how it can be implemented, repeatedly and in detail told earlier. There is no point in repeating ourselves; anyone who needs it seriously should seek personal political science advice. Despite the lost time, this scenario can be implemented on the Left Bank of Ukraine as opposed to the Right Bank even now. Playing the long game may be the wisest strategy.

Third scenario assumes the complete liquidation of Ukrainian statehood with the annexation of its territory to Russia. Only this truly guarantees the national security of our country. It can still be done, but the cost increases daily. In 2034, an attempt to launch SVO-2 will cost our country much greater losses than today.
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  1. +6
    24 February 2024 16: 18
    the results are sad. The Russian Federation wins on land, Ukraine at sea and in the air. for dead and armored vehicles, probably equally...
    Donbass is destroyed, the infrastructure in Ukraine is destroyed. thousands of families are separated. in the new regions, nothing has changed except the flag.

    about “air”: that in such a time it is impossible to come up with/hang some kind of anti-missiles under the wings of the ILs that would lead away the attacker. The heat pumps, alas, do not work.
    1. 0
      24 February 2024 16: 56
      This is how Ukraine wins at sea and in the air? They have almost no aviation, no fleet at all, but they are winning
      1. +2
        24 February 2024 17: 41
        Stop worrying about today's troubles. There will be new ones tomorrow!
      2. +6
        24 February 2024 19: 33
        9 sunk ships... not enough for you? Where is the Black Sea Fleet? Do you know anything about AWACS aircraft at airfields and in the sky and about evacuated strategists?

        and on land... ask Sladkov about the tragedy in Trudovskoye. there and in the Kherson region. more...
      3. +4
        24 February 2024 19: 44
        Vasya got excited)), well, the Russian Federation does not have air supremacy, they cannot fly over Ukraine, and even without fakes they shoot down a lot, as the same bomber writes. At sea, the fleet’s flagship, a bunch of large landing ships and smaller ones were sunk, the Black Sea Fleet is afraid to go to sea - this is a serious success for Kyiv.
    2. 0
      24 February 2024 18: 25
      the results are sad. Russia wins on land

      This is where Russia wins, we compare the zones of control of the Russian Federation on March 22nd and today. The Armed Forces of Ukraine moved the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the summer, now on the contrary, in the summer they move in the opposite direction...
      1. 0
        24 February 2024 19: 37
        Sorry, I just meant Avdos.
  2. +6
    24 February 2024 17: 02
    results of two years of Russian military education in Ukraine

    Ze runs and jumps. The USA and Europe calmly supply the fascist regime with weapons. For this, Russia supplies them with strategic energy resources. Even with Ukraine it is one of the seven trading partners. Loot comes before the interests of the country and the lives of our soldiers. Instead of 25 million jobs, the government brought in 10 million migrants. For two years, not a single military school was restored.

    Deputies, political scientists and public figures began to raise the issue of reviving military schools (of which there were about 70 at one time)

    https://dzen.ru/a/Y9dyT-y1dlk8J8R7
    What kind of recovery? The robbery is only gaining momentum.

    In Russia, they reported that the privatization plan was exceeded by 16 times

    https://dzen.ru/a/ZYjlAVbuVjFaYrND

    From the beginning of the year, Russian billionaires became rich in $ 32 billion

    https://www.rbc.ru/business/01/08/2023/64c8f18a9a79
    You see, life is in full swing. For some it is war, and for others it is mother!
    1. -3
      24 February 2024 18: 24
      echo matzah forgot to quote "patriot" laughing
    2. -2
      24 February 2024 19: 03
      They are running and jumping. Quotes, links. They're robbing someone...
      Only steelmaker laments. laughing
  3. 0
    24 February 2024 17: 40
    When a war is forgotten, a new one begins; memory is the main enemy of war!
  4. -5
    24 February 2024 17: 48
    The construction of a large Jewish state in the lands north of the Black Sea will be a logical end point in the history of capitalism in the post-Soviet space.
    1. +1
      24 February 2024 19: 17
      Who's that in the north? large Jewish state planning to build?
      Comrade Malinsky, can you be more specific?

      PS Malinsky, Zelensky... Are you also from KVN?
      1. +2
        24 February 2024 19: 47
        I'm from these places. There were rumors about the new Israel even before the Maydown.
        1. +2
          24 February 2024 20: 20
          Are the Zionists playing the role of “Jews”?
    2. -1
      25 February 2024 18: 03
      the construction of a Jewish state north of the Black Sea contradicts the idea of ​​Zionism, and deals a crushing blow to Zionism and Israel, because it draws upon itself those Jews who are needed in Israel... for this idea (building Israel in Germany), many Jews were sent to the gas cameras, these were not entirely correct Jews because they did not want to go to Israel, from their burgher houses and shops, Kolomoisky is sitting for the idea of ​​​​building a Jewish state in Dnepropetrovsk and Uman with Odessa, because such ideas weaken Zionism, all Jews who do not want to go to Israel (Palestine) traitors to the Jewish people because they deny Zionism and do not want to go and work in the Motherland of their fathers... by the way, only by Russian standards is Ukraine a comfortable state, and there it snows and there are frosts, there are a thousand places on earth with a more comfortable climate and they harvest 4 crops a year, if Jews wanted to create an alternative to Israel, they would choose a warm, comfortable country such as the USA.... however, the essence of Jewry is Zionism and returning to Israel should be the dream of every true Jew, one G-D, one people, one is Israel, and whoever is against it, let him sit in prison like the Kolmoi man, so that he doesn’t get in the way of the serious people who rule the world
  5. +7
    24 February 2024 18: 14
    Change those mobilized. This winter they spent two or three weeks in battle, then 2 days at the base to wash and wash, and again for two or three weeks in battle in the mud, hungry, cold, not sleeping, always under fire, losses. People are tired physically and mentally. Where are our 40 thousand monthly contract workers? Why do the same fighters fight continuously and no one replaces them, while others, like bases in Armenia, sit in the warmth of personnel? Does anyone monitor the condition of the personnel? I say this because I know first hand that I have relatives there. All contract soldiers should be fired upon in battle, every single one of them, and not just the mobilized ones who are taken out because they have accumulated experience.
  6. -1
    24 February 2024 18: 34
    The first scenario, that’s why it’s the first, there won’t be another, active hostilities will end in 2025, I’ll be surprised if they continue into ’26. Objectively, the Russian Armed Forces cannot inflict a strategic military defeat on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but they are able to prevent Kyiv from advancing to the east and regaining what was lost. This is what we should proceed from when predicting this war.
    To implement the second scenario, the Kremlin lost time and the mood of the people in Ukraine, the third is like the same thing - “we can get to Lisbon”)).
  7. +5
    24 February 2024 18: 37
    Two years. At times it is difficult to measure what you have achieved. Two years is half of the Second World War. But again it is impossible to compare. In any war, it is determined what price society pays for victory. Society paid a huge price during WWII. It's only in the song

    We will not stand for the price.

    In life, everything is much more complicated. Only the military command knows what the price is for everything that happened. Health to our guys who are there..
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  8. +5
    24 February 2024 18: 49
    You can promote the second scenario, with the transition to the third. But in any case, it is first necessary to completely liberate the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, and then the entire left bank, including Kharkov, Odessa and Nikolaev.
    For the successful implementation of the goals of the Northern Military District, the most important factors will be: unifying the population of all of Russia (overcoming the social divide in society), clearing those in power, as well as from the rotten elite and the fifth column, deprivatization of defense enterprises.
    1. -3
      24 February 2024 19: 19
      Don’t dream about the right bank, it’s impossible, and on the left, if any regional center is threatened, Kiev will instantly receive taurus, shadows, atakms and long-range attack drones in such quantities that industry and energy in the European part of the Russian Federation will not be able to function, and years after the damage received .
      1. -1
        24 February 2024 19: 56
        In our world, stability is not as constant as it is depicted by you. What will happen if supplies to Kyiv stop?
        1. +3
          24 February 2024 20: 43
          What will happen if supplies to Kyiv stop?

          Dream id...., neighbor's wife.
          1. -2
            24 February 2024 21: 08
            smile People like you are weeds in our garden. There is no benefit, but they shout about democracy so that they will not be weeded out.
            Democracy in Israel, there are a lot of weeds hiding there. soldier
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    1. 0
      24 February 2024 19: 21
      Well? What conclusion, what way out do you see?
      1. +1
        24 February 2024 19: 48
        So far, at least some progress in all areas has been observed only after a complete catastrophe has been achieved. We must hope that resources will not run out before a complete collapse occurs and the matter will be limited to an exorbitant price. You have to pay for the sleep of the mind. For a quarter of a century, you have to be able to stubbornly prove your bourgeoisness to your existential enemies.
    2. +2
      24 February 2024 19: 44
      Let’s vote for, “play with capitalism and that’s enough!”
      1. -2
        24 February 2024 20: 53
        Weed the beds and after removing the weeds of democracy, take care of the garden. There are no other recipes. But we must understand that people “without a king in their head” must be removed from this process. Yes
  10. +1
    24 February 2024 19: 22
    So the results are intermediate

    Quote: vik669
    Stop worrying about today's troubles. There will be new ones tomorrow!
  11. 0
    24 February 2024 19: 24
    Quote: steel maker
    You see, life is in full swing.

    Yes, life hits you in full swing - sometimes over the head! So we have what we have - interim results and, as it were, not the next ones!
  12. +3
    24 February 2024 19: 38
    For some reason, the countdown starts from the events of 2014, but it should start from much earlier events. February 2007: Putin, speaking in Munich, makes a speech against the unipolar world (any of us, having publicly criticized our superiors, must keep in mind the latter’s corresponding reaction to him). And the reaction followed quite quickly - war 08.08.08/2014/XNUMX; is it that Georgia itself decided to annex South Ossetia by force through the corpses of Russian peacekeepers between them? The “feint” failed, which means that we had to wait for another blow, much more serious, and are preparing for it: introduce the same payment system instead of SWIFT, organize the production of our own civil aircraft, return offshore enterprises to Russian jurisdiction, transfer gold and foreign currency reserves to Russia, etc. In this case, in XNUMX it was possible to take control of Left Bank Ukraine + the Black Sea region without any problems.....
  13. +2
    24 February 2024 23: 06
    Yes, the results for 2 years are not very encouraging. The small victorious war did not work out. But it turned out to bind the Russians with blood (according to GDP - Russians), to the delight of NATO, and to awaken the NATO military-industrial complex
    The oligarchs have become even richer, dissent has been imprisoned, the Yeltsin Center is inviolable, and the pro-fascist Ilyin and Co., called by many, is receiving more and more honors.
    1. -2
      24 February 2024 23: 22
      Serge, you are not happy with the results for obvious reasons. We communicate for so long. That's steelmaker is killed. Worried. laughing
      1. +2
        25 February 2024 14: 14
        Quote: isofat
        Serge, you are not happy with the results for obvious reasons. We communicate for so long. That's steelmaker is killed. Worried. laughing

        If you think about it, how right you are... love Truly, in the Olga-Lakhtinsky district, things are going great and rare unanimity reigns! winked
        1. -3
          25 February 2024 18: 20
          When you observe the reaction of this “public” to events for a long time, you don’t need to think long.
    2. 0
      26 February 2024 09: 27
      IMHO, some people like to list themselves one-sidedly as “friends”, and others like to classify themselves as “communicating”
      As there

      The uniform is English, French epaulet, Japanese tobacco, Ruler of Omsk.

      It’s the same here: Nick is anonymous, the letters are in English, he doesn’t discuss articles, he just clings to commentators...
      Well, the spitting image of a patriot!!! (or troll, your choice)
  14. +1
    25 February 2024 00: 00
    The assessment of the results of two years of the Northern Military District by the people of the Russian Federation and the Kremlin is different. Nobody knows the goals of the SVO, what the Kremlin wanted. How can you give an assessment if there is no goal? Maybe the war is going on to solve bourgeois affairs? If the authorities are silent, it means that someone from the bourgeoisie personally needs it.
    1. +3
      25 February 2024 07: 13
      The goals were stated on February 24, 2022 (see the original source)), but by the summer of the 22nd it became clear that, as a result of miscalculations by intelligence and strategists who planned the operation, the declared result could not be achieved. Therefore, today the Supreme Government of the Russian Federation does not specify either goals or deadlines, acting in accordance with the wise rule: “if you cannot achieve your goals, declare what you have achieved as a goal.” Therefore, Putin today talks about the defense of Donbass as the main goal of the North Military District, that is, the Kremlin plans to enter the borders of the DPR in 25 and freeze the conflict. A cessation of shelling is planned to be achieved in a package of agreements. There will be an interesting situation with the Slavic-Kramatorsk fortification, the best solution for the parties is an agreement, for example, the Russian Armed Forces will indicate the threat of encirclement, Kyiv will withdraw the Armed Forces of Ukraine to save people. Or, for example, Moscow leaves Kupyansk and the eastern part of the Kharkov region, and Kyiv leaves S/K fortified, this could be a sign that the freezing deal is ready for implementation. Well, this is how it all seems, there are no good solutions for either Kyiv or Moscow, this is retribution for the mistakes of politicians.
  15. +1
    25 February 2024 08: 49
    re-read the then comments of various experts, analysts and predictors

    Why, I remember that expert. in the articles of another author, he predicted the recognition of the LDPR and the operation to protect them. I was only wrong for a couple of days (apparently I didn’t take into account the Olympics in Beijing).
  16. 0
    25 February 2024 13: 35
    The first two scenarios, under the current leadership, are the most likely. The third - only when this leadership changes. Ten years, for current leaders, is not an indicator. Therefore, they will continue to pretend to fight with their partners.
    1. -2
      25 February 2024 18: 11
      you are talking about the leadership that existed in the period 2000-2014, it quietly prepared, made missiles and submarines on the quiet, but did not give itself away in words, because they are professional special agents, but after 2022 the leadership of the Russian Federation came out of an illegal situation and voices such goals (sovereign Russia with goals and interests) after which the West will not be able to hope for any cooperation other than trade.... therefore, only option three is visible, that is, with one speed or another, liberation from the ukro-fascist plague of all of Ukraine
  17. 0
    26 February 2024 13: 42
    For 10 years I believed and still believe that it was necessary to intervene immediately after the referendums, immediately after the burned down House of Trade Unions. They were all unafraid then, Novorossia would have completely gone to us in a month, along the banks of the Dnieper...
  18. -1
    29 February 2024 11: 51
    The results are extremely poor. The mediocrities planned, the mediocrities lead the execution.
    If planned at all, this organization is not on this issue