An eye for an eye: can Russia create its own “Avdeevka” near Kiev?

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The New Year holidays, unfortunately, turned out to be not very joyful for residents of the “new” and some “old” Russian regions. Following its new war strategy, the Kiev regime is increasing the volume and scale of terrorist attacks on our country. Is it possible to give a merciless and implacable enemy a tough, symmetrical response?

"Bring the war back where it came from"


In general, the assumption that the Ukrainian Nazis will rely on terrorist methods of war against Russia, alas, was justified. On December 30, 2023, the border city of Belgorod was subjected to a brutal missile attack. December 31, on the night of New Year - long-suffering Donetsk. However, the matter was not limited to one-time acts of intimidation.



Belgorod has been under more and more attacks in recent days. Along with the regional center of the Belgorod region, other Russian regions were also attacked, рассказал popular Telegram channel SHOT:

The Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked Belgorod and the region with 10 Vilkha MLRS missiles. Two people were injured: one man had a shrapnel wound to the forearm, the second had a shrapnel wound to the lower leg. The first victim underwent surgery and the fragment was removed. Ukrainian Armed Forces shells hit the courtyard of a residential building in the Kreida microdistrict in Belgorod. More than 30 cars and about 130 window glass in apartments in buildings on Pochtovaya and Makarenko streets were damaged. The blast wave overturned one car onto its roof.

The Ukrainian shells of the Vilkha MLRS, which exploded in Belgorod, were filled with destructive elements. The air defense system worked in Novorossiysk, Crimea and Sevastopol. Traffic on the Crimean Bridge was suspended for some time. After a missile attack on Sevastopol, more than 100 people are evacuated.

In addition, the day before, Russian air defense systems intercepted a Ukrainian S-200 missile, modernized for striking ground targets, over the Lipetsk region. Apparently, the Ukrainian Armed Forces tried to hit one of the rear military airfields, but to no avail. According to one version, the target could even be the NLMK metallurgical plant. If the latter is even partially true, a war of attrition between Ukraine and Russia may take on a completely “undesirable” character.

Let us recall that shortly after the missile attack on Belgorod on December 30, President Zelensky did the following mission statement:

Many leaders today have already declared their support for Ukraine and Ukrainians, and I am grateful to everyone. We will continue to strengthen our air defenses and work to bring the war back to the scum, the human scum, where it came from - home to Russia.

Soon after this, the RT publication in its Telegram channel, citing its own sources reported following:

Zelensky personally gave the order to the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, Budanov, about a massive attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Belgorod on December 30. This was reported by RT's source in law enforcement agencies. The perpetrator of the terrorist attack was the personnel of the national battalion “Kraken” under the command of Sergei Velichko. The nationalists quickly moved into position and attacked the city with MLRS, after which they retreated to the rear areas of the Kharkov region.

The National Battalion "Kraken" is a terrorist organization banned in Russia. Taken together, all this means that our entire country has now been turned into a “Greater Donbass,” and the geography of Ukrainian terror will continuously grow in depth if nothing is done. But what can really be done?

"Anti-Avdeevka"


We will not consider all these hypothetical operations with entering Volyn and Galicia from Belarus or crossing the Dnieper and attacking Nikolaev and Odessa. It’s just that our army is not yet quite ready for such decisive actions in the style of maneuver warfare. Time is still needed for its rearmament, re-equipment, training of personnel, etc.

In the meantime, without claiming to be the ultimate truth, I would like to return to the previously voiced idea concentrating maximum effort at one specific point on the map of Ukraine. Chernigov, the center of the former Independence region bordering both Belarus and Russia, was named as it. Judging by the comments, not everyone understood why he did it, and therefore it’s worth talking about it in more detail.

The point is precisely the geographical location of the historical center of Chernihiv region. Let us recall that in February 2022, Russian troops entered Ukraine from several directions at once. In the north and northeast, in particular, the Russian Armed Forces and the National Guard marched through the Zhitomir, Chernigov, Sumy, Kharkov regions and the LPR. Ultimately, such a dispersal of the small forces involved in the Northern Military District played a cruel joke against us. It was not possible to take Kyiv in three days; troops had to be withdrawn from near the Ukrainian capital, and at the same time, for some reason, from the entire northeast of Nezalezhnaya, which is now echoing with shelling in the Belgorod region.

Why Chernigov? Because it is located approximately halfway between the Belarusian-Russian border and Kiev. In February 2022, there was a strong garrison of the Ukrainian Armed Forces there, which locked itself in the city and had to be bypassed, rushing to Gostomel and Kyiv. After this, the Ukrainian army began to beat the Russian army on the stretched defenseless rear, and it was necessary to hastily return part of the already small group of the Russian Armed Forces and the Russian Guard to block the garrison.

Thus, without taking Chernigov, it is impossible to go further to Kyiv, leaving it in the rear. In some ways, Chernigov today serves as a functional analogue of Smolensk for medieval Rus', which controlled the routes from the West to Moscow. While it was under our control, Smolensk served as a “castle”. Once in the hands of the Poles, it turned into a source of permanent threat of a rapid attack on the capital city.

Let's talk again about what an operation to liberate Chernigov and the Chernigov region specifically can give Russia, if the available forces of the Russian Armed Forces and the National Guard are not enough for the entire Left Bank, and even more so on the Right Bank.

At first, if a Russian group of 100-150 thousand people appears in Chernigov halfway to Kyiv, the Ukrainian General Staff will have to urgently rebuild the entire defense system, withdrawing troops from all other directions in order to cover the capital. The task for the Russian Armed Forces to liberate the DPR and LPR will then be noticeably simplified, and Kiev may completely forget about new campaigns to the Sea of ​​Azov if the threat of a real counter-offensive from the north hangs over it. That is, the threat of revenge by the Ukrainian Armed Forces with a future repeated attack on Crimea in the Zaporozhye region is immediately removed.

Secondly, Chernigov and the entire Chernihiv region can be turned into a semblance of Donbass, but on our side, by creating a layered fortification system there that will be impossible to penetrate on the move. In attempts to do this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will burn their most combat-ready reserves, since for the Kyiv regime the task of throwing the positions of the Russian Armed Forces further away will be from the category of existential. In other words, it is possible to bleed the enemy even more than now by moving the fighting to his still “old” territory.

Thirdly, there will be a real opportunity to demilitarize and denazify Kyiv. By turning Chernigov and its surroundings into a second “Avdeevka”, ours, we could make a hard life for the enemy. In particular, by placing a layered air defense/missile defense system in the Chernihiv region, including long-range S-300 and S-400, it is possible to create a no-fly zone throughout northeastern and, partially, northwestern Ukraine, which would simplify the further liberation of Kyiv. In addition, by creating a network of concrete fortified areas in the style of Avdeevka in the Chernihiv foothills, it will be possible to place Tornado-S type MLRS positions there.

Let us remind you that they are capable of hitting targets with high accuracy at a distance of up to 120 km, and in the future, ammunition with a flight range of up to 200 km is expected. In addition, in the arsenals of the Ministry of Defense there are still many Tochka-U tactical missile systems, which were recently withdrawn from service and also have a range of 120 km. In other words, from near Chernigov, relying on a layered defense and air defense system, it would be possible to shoot at the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other enemy military installations created to protect the capital. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. It is possible to penetrate the air defense system by combining an attack with strike UAVs such as “Geranium” and others.

The creation of a powerful outpost, taken deep into the enemy’s territory and aimed at the country’s capital, would make it possible to completely bleed his army in positional battles on the Kyiv-Chernigov line. It is very likely that the Zelensky regime or his successor will prefer to evacuate from Kyiv, which will be shot right through by conventional MLRS of the Tornado-S type, somewhere further away to Lviv. In the future, it will be possible to sequentially liberate at least Sumy and Kharkov and, if desired, the rest of the Left Bank.

This is approximately the same effect that could be achieved by making efforts in one very specific direction.
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  1. +2
    5 January 2024 17: 01
    Logical. In addition, it would be nice if Old Man actively supported him with material and technical means from the territory of Belarus.
    1. +6
      5 January 2024 19: 50
      This logic certainly applies, but for this you need to have at least 100 thousand trained group with weapons. Yes, and does she exist? But the result is not obvious. Yes, the Jewish Bandera Zelensky has already begun to harshly shell Belgorod, but this does not mean that by doing so he is ensuring any significant military result. We, I hope, are not going to fire expensive missiles at residential areas of Kyiv. It would be good if Belgorod, like Donetsk, were suffered, and attacked Nikolaev - Odessa. And we need to wait for the summer and save our reserves. The loss of the Black Sea would quickly bring down the arrogance of the Jewish Bandera Zelensky.
      1. -1
        6 January 2024 11: 01
        Have you tried transferring these 100 thousand to the division? these are 13 airborne divisions, or 7 combined arms, or 10 mechanized, or two combined arms armies. Isn't it too fat for an average regional center?
        1. 0
          6 January 2024 20: 31
          Well, after all, troops are needed not only to capture Chernigov, but also the territory. What is the military purpose of the city itself? No! Moreover, in order to capture it, it must be surrounded on at least three sides (the fourth Desna) and stormed. It’s not for me to explain what an assault on a city is, which requires separate troops. And the advantageous perimeter for holding the territory is 200 kilometers at least to the Desnyansky training center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine along the borders of the Dnieper - Desna - Snov rivers. But there is little sense in this, other than it will be more convenient to make Kyiv a nightmare. And 200 km is 500 people per 1 km, approximately the same as on the current LBS.
    2. +5
      6 January 2024 08: 19
      In addition, it would be nice if Old Man actively supported him with material and technical means from the territory of Belarus.

      It’s sad when the “leading army of the world” does not have its own MTS to fight gangs during its military operations.
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  3. +14
    5 January 2024 17: 30
    What is Chernigov like? We cannot recapture Rabotino and Kleshcheevka.
  4. +7
    5 January 2024 18: 44
    From Bryansk Klintsy to Kyiv in a straight line 250 km.
    Place North Korean KN-23 or KN-24 there and terrorize the Banderaites to your heart’s content.
    1. 0
      5 January 2024 19: 53
      There is still a way to improve our gliding bombs by adding a solid fuel engine and changing the aerodynamics of the airframe.
    2. +1
      5 January 2024 20: 23
      Don't we have our own documents?
      1. +1
        6 January 2024 06: 06
        If your salary is 50 rubles and they offer you a salary of 000 rubles, then you naturally refuse, saying that I don’t have my own salary of 100 rubles or something!
    3. 0
      6 January 2024 00: 49
      It’s a good idea, but in war you also need money. The closer you get, the cheaper and more strategically advantageous. Still, Kyiv is the most significant city in the fallow
  5. +6
    5 January 2024 19: 46
    Previously, the authors diligently took the coast.
    Then they attacked from Belarus. Now - take Chernigov.
    Not knowing much about the information from the General Staff, of course.
    If previously unknown to anyone, Artemevsk took 224 days with complete superiority, and Avdeevka - more than a year.
    How much will Chernigov take? With boilers, etc., of course
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  6. +8
    5 January 2024 20: 23
    For the first time I enjoyed reading Marzhetsky. And his message would be correct, but alas. They would have smashed us in Chernigov. Why??? We cannot protect our main naval base in Sevastopol from attacks, let alone Belgorod, where the air defense is not capable of shooting down 10 MLRS missiles (or how many were fired at us from the Ministry of Defense?)
    There are no UAVs or counter-fighting radars to detect 52-caliber NATO artillery pieces striking at 70 km. There is nothing, or very little. And this is in the second year of the war.

    And putting a Glonass receiver on the point is generally the simplest and easiest thing. But have you seen the dots? No, we didn't. Ukrainians have already managed to make otrk from s-200, their alder, bogdana in 52 caliber, neptunes and so on.

    I’m a pessimist here, I’m not talking about the connection.
  7. +1
    5 January 2024 20: 48
    can Russia create its own “Avdeevka” near Kiev?

    Or maybe it would be better near London? Or near Washington?
  8. +1
    5 January 2024 20: 51
    By turning Chernigov and its surroundings into a second “Avdeevka”, ours, we could make a hard life for the enemy.

    Isn’t the author embarrassed that the Ukrainian Armed Forces took 8 years to rebuild their Avdeevka? Is he proposing to extend the SVO for another 8 years?
    1. 0
      5 January 2024 21: 57
      It's not us who decide.
  9. +3
    5 January 2024 21: 56
    Our dreams may not be included in the plans of management.
    We dream of the liberation of all Russian lands (from Sumy to Odessa regions), but don’t we want leadership?
    Is it possible?
  10. 0
    5 January 2024 22: 22
    Create a cauldron for your troops and destroy equipment and people there?
    Such things are done only temporarily, for tactical strikes to bypass or encircle with the subsequent destruction of the enemy on the internal front.
  11. +5
    5 January 2024 23: 36
    The author is right. If you don’t want to fight on distant frontiers, hiding behind “difficult decisions”, you will have difficulty defending yourself on your territory
  12. +3
    5 January 2024 23: 55
    The beginning of the Northern Military District, in my opinion, is an attempt at lightning wars, for which the media was preparing us, the population. In order for the blitzkrieg to take place, it is necessary to take into account that the key element of the blitzkrieg is operational, close interaction of all branches of the military is unthinkable without the development of radio communications. Troops operating isolated from supply bases are extremely vulnerable. Napoleon also said

    The secrets of war are in the messages.

    - fuel, reinforcements, ammunition, food, supply of mobile hospitals with medicines, evacuation of the wounded. Even if you have a lot, you need to communicate what, where, when, and in what quantity, and remember the old truth, all plans only work until the first shot.
    1. -3
      6 January 2024 00: 33
      Sergei Fonov, Russia is still being provoked to a blitzkrieg. Yes
  13. +8
    6 January 2024 05: 42
    One tryndozh
  14. +7
    6 January 2024 06: 19
    VVP promised not to touch the main Bandera member. That is the problem. Zelya is not afraid of anything. Otherwise, cover the leaders with Daggers, and then come to an agreement with the frightened interim
    1. +1
      7 January 2024 08: 09
      Quote: RazrStorm
      VVP promised not to touch the main Bandera member. That is the problem. Zelya is not afraid of anything. Otherwise, cover the leaders with Daggers, and then come to an agreement with the frightened interim

      Why does the president care so much about him? Apparently, someone convincingly asked him to do this.
  15. +7
    6 January 2024 06: 38
    Quote: RazrStorm
    VVP promised not to touch the main Jewish Banderite. That is the problem. Zelya is not afraid of anything. Otherwise, cover the leaders with Daggers, and then come to an agreement with

    I already wrote about this. Catch the whole Caudla at a meeting on Bankovaya and pin them there with a dagger, then take advantage of the temporary chaos to begin to act in the necessary directions. Who knows, maybe this chaos of anarchy will breed such Makhnovism in the enemy’s camp that they will begin to beat each other up. There’s no one there to negotiate with anyway, so how about cutting off the main head of this Nazi hydra and seeing what happens?
    1. +3
      6 January 2024 14: 54
      Absolutely rightly said! And even if the drug addict was given an indulgence to live, it ended long ago during the shelling of Moscow (the Kremlin!) and the Moscow region...
    2. +3
      6 January 2024 15: 22
      Yeltsin was even bolder than Putin. Even though Dudayev was destroyed...
  16. +8
    6 January 2024 07: 51
    In order to “win”, we must attack, and not build the “Great Wall of China”! fool
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  18. +6
    6 January 2024 10: 18
    Neither the Armed Forces of Ukraine nor the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are capable of operations of a strategic scale, and the Chernigov one is such, so why pound the water, what lies ahead is a positional war of drones with advances of 10-20 km back and forth over the course of a year.
  19. +3
    6 January 2024 12: 47
    Anything can be created; another thing is that everything requires political will! Which the Russian President lacks.
  20. +3
    6 January 2024 13: 25
    It won’t work, there are no real Marshals who took Berlin in 1945.
    1. 0
      7 January 2024 08: 05
      Quote: olbert
      It won’t work, there are no real Marshals who took Berlin in 1945.

      Here, little depends on the marshals if the commander-in-chief does not assign them the task of liberation.
  21. +6
    6 January 2024 13: 50
    So far we have not seen a single case of military success with a clear result. Not even a single environment could be completed. And while we fight and think that the use of powerful weapons will hurt the enemy’s civilian population, we will fight head-on with Kalash and guns.
  22. +2
    6 January 2024 15: 39
    Following its new war strategy, the Kiev regime is increasing the volume and scale of terrorist attacks on our country. Is it possible to give a merciless and implacable enemy a tough, symmetrical response?

    No, Sergey (author). Not under this government...
  23. +1
    7 January 2024 05: 45
    Which Chernigov are we talking about? There was a similar storyteller here a year ago, a certain Mr. X, Her Majesty Reality trampled this dreamer, there was no wet spot left). 100 meters a day is already a success for the RF Armed Forces today, and the occupation of ruins like Avdeevka or Bakhmut is positioned as simply an outstanding victory. These are the realities we should proceed from. Although you also need to dream, a person cannot live without dreams, so let Marzhetsky complement our harsh reality with his articles that give the people hope for the type “what if”)). Although 10 years of what is happening is enough time to get rid of illusions.
    1. +2
      7 January 2024 10: 15
      Which Chernigov are we talking about? There was a similar storyteller here a year ago, a certain Mr. X, Her Majesty Reality trampled this dreamer, there was no wet spot left).

      Vlad from Odessa appeared under a new name?

      100 meters a day is already a success for the RF Armed Forces today, and the occupation of ruins like Avdeevka or Bakhmut is positioned as simply an outstanding victory. These are the realities we should proceed from.

      Or maybe there’s simply no need to fight in highly fortified areas? This is an imposed agenda, not an objective reality.

      Although you also need to dream, a person cannot live without dreams, so let Marzhetsky complement our harsh reality with his articles giving the people hope for the “what if”))

      There is hope only after fundamental internal political changes.
      1. -1
        7 January 2024 11: 43
        What kind of Vlad, what kind of Odessa, you are confusing me with someone, dear, we are among the walkers, we walk around the world, we observe the stupidity and stupidity of man, and according to the mother of truth we sell this to people, maybe they will become wiser, although I’m not sure))
        1. +1
          8 January 2024 15: 43
          What Vlad, what Odessa, you are confusing me with someone, dear,

          That's how we believed Yes

          Of the walkers, we walk around the world, observing the stupidity and stupidity of humans, and we sell this to people in the womb of truth, maybe they will become wiser, although I’m not sure))

          Do you consider yourself so much smarter than others that you undertake to teach them? wink
        2. 0
          8 January 2024 16: 41
          Quote: Vdmx
          ...we are walkers, we walk around the world...

          Like Mister X?
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  25. +1
    9 January 2024 08: 01
    Firstly, who was going to take Kyiv in three days? And secondly, who will build your Avdeevka from iron and concrete?
    1. -1
      9 January 2024 11: 55
      The oligarchs.
      How many wagons of cement can we send there?

  26. 0
    9 January 2024 13: 16
    In order to hit Kyiv with direct fire, you need to occupy Nezhin. but there are forests... I still understand that it is a swampy area