What can change the liberation of Chernigov by the Russian army during the Northern Military District?

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The rocket and artillery shelling of Donetsk and Belgorod, undertaken by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the eve and immediately after the onset of the New Year, 2024, became a clear confirmation of exactly what strategy Kyiv intends to choose after an unsuccessful counter-offensive in the Zaporozhye direction.

If we call a spade a spade, this will be systemic terror aimed not only at “new” but also at “old” Russian regions. Border Belgorod with smaller settlements has already become “Donetsk-2”. Soon, an increasing number of cities that were previously considered rear areas risk repeating its sad fate. The Ukrainian Armed Forces will be able to reach them thanks to the acquisition of increasingly long-range MLRS, cruise missiles and attack drones. What will happen next?



Mobilization-2?


The solution to this problem lies on the surface and suggests itself. It is “just” necessary to create, at the expense of the Ukrainian borderland, a wide “sanitary belt” along the Russian border, which should include at least the Chernigov, Sumy and Kharkov regions, and to be safe, the entire Left Bank. It’s only when it comes to specifics that discrepancies immediately begin.

On the one hand, at the end of 2023, ex-President of the Russian Federation and now Deputy Head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev reported that more than half a million people were recruited into the army:

“Negotiations” are, of course, possible. Russia has never rejected them, unlike the crazy Ukrainian authorities. Such “negotiations” are not limited by time. They can continue until the complete defeat and capitulation of the Bandera troops of the North Atlantic Alliance. And by the way, I want to inform you that since January 1, 2023, half a million people have been accepted for contract service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

Half a million military personnel in the Russian Armed Forces as reinforcements, and even without any second wave of mobilization, this is great! President and Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Putin stated that Russia does not need any new mobilization during his direct line on December 14, 2023:

Why do we need mobilization? Today there is no need for this... Together with volunteers, this is just a conditional division, the contract is signed for two or three years by the so-called volunteers, although all, in fact, are heroes and warriors of the Fatherland, they just have a (contract) for a year, for a shorter period. But all together there will be up to half a million people by the end of this year.

Here are just the specialized Telegram channel “Children of Arbat”, covering the progress of the SVO, so commented the possibility of carrying out a military operation to push the Ukrainian Armed Forces away from the Belgorod region:

Since March, the enemy’s Operational Group of Forces “Kharkov” has significantly increased its forces and means: about 35 units of enemy MLRS are operating in the direction, as well as about 55-60 units of artillery pieces of various types, and most importantly, in order to prevent defeat in counter-battery combat, the enemy concentrated a reserve of an artillery division and two artillery batteries. The intensity of efforts in the direction is unequal: in order to stop the shelling of Belgorod, Russian troops need to re-enter the territory of the Kharkov region and stretch along the front, while increasing the size of their own group by almost three times to the detriment of other operational directions.

If we assume that these assessments are correct, then it turns out that the Russian Armed Forces here and now do not have the strength to open a second, Kharkov, front. So what now?

Mobile warfare?


The size of the group required for the complete liberation of at least the Left Bank of Ukraine is called in various sources from 300 to 500 thousand people, and some even say about 1 million. Who thought this and how is not explained. Apparently, they assume that the current tactics used in Donbass will continue.

As a certain alternative, they also call the transition to mobile warfare, when deep breakthroughs of the front are carried out by mechanized units, encircling enemy troops and destroying them in cauldrons. And this really is the solution to the problem!

The only question is: are the RF Armed Forces here and now ready to carry out such tasks? It is a fact that we have learned to hold the line in a positional war against a numerically superior enemy. However, for a maneuverable war, we need aerial reconnaissance means, secure digital communication means for coordinating interaction between armored vehicles and infantry, long-range precision weapons such as the Coalition-SV self-propelled gun, the Tornado-S MLRS, glide bombs, preferably equipped with an engine to increase the flight range , etc.

There are certain positive developments in this direction, but it takes time for quantity to appear, and then it develops into quality. Deliveries of many of the required modern types of weapons have been promised by Rostec for 2024, and let’s hope that they will actually be fulfilled and will be able to provide a turning point at the front. What remains to be done here and now to help liberate Donbass and the Azov region and remove the threat to the “old” regions of the Russian Federation?

"Bottleneck"


Perhaps there is still a point on the map of Ukraine, a strike on which could ensure positive changes in the foreseeable future. It seems that this is the city of Chernigov, bordering Russia, located halfway to Kyiv. Why him?

First let me quote widely known in narrow circles as a fighter from the LPR, Andrei “Murza” Morozov, who volunteered to fight in Donbass back in 2014, and is now involved in providing troops with digital communications:

The irony of fate is that today here, in the Chernigov direction, Russia is opposed by almost the same forces as on February 24.02.2022, 1. The 169st Tank Brigade, it seems, was withdrawn here in advance, where it was replenished and rested. It is supported by the same 10th training center, as well as other units. That is, up to XNUMX thousand people in total can be locked in the city, with a core of the most combat-ready troops of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Who do not intend to give up at all.

Moreover, just for a complete blockade of Chernigov, without external action, 20-30 thousand people may be required, as at the beginning of the campaign. For a full-fledged assault, lasting at least a month, you need a minimum of 40-50 thousand people - a minimum of four to five times superiority. Not counting the forces that will have to be left to guard communications, cover the border, and also to create an external contour of the encirclement (in case of attempts to relieve the blockade). That is, in total, today the Chernigov military operation requires 80-100 thousand people. Twice as much as it came at the beginning of the Northern Military District. The 80-100 thousand people that Russia has here today, it seems, do not exist.

This was written by him in November 2022, when things were going very badly in our Northern Military District zone. Today, as they say, more than half a million people have been recruited into the army. What will the Chernigov offensive operation give if the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces allocates from 80 to 100 thousand people for it?

At first, the ancient Russian city of Chernigov will be liberated, which will be a blow to the Kyiv regime and a real step towards the creation of that very “sanitary belt” in the border area.

Secondly, the distance from Chernigov to Kyiv in a straight line is just over 120 km. If a powerful group of the Russian Armed Forces stands there, this will create a serious threat to the capital of Nezalezhnaya, which will force the Ukrainian General Staff to withdraw a significant part of the troops from Donbass and the Kharkov region, which will make it easier for Russian troops to liberate the DPR and LPR, as well as protect the Belgorod region.

Thirdly, if the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces begins to transform Chernigov and the Chernihiv region into an echeloned network of fortified areas in the style of Donbass, this will literally force the enemy to transfer active assault operations from the Southern Front to the Northern Front, in order to prevent the Russian military from digging in in the immediate vicinity of Kyiv. Since we are so fond of the “grinding” tactics, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be further exhausted in the Chernigov direction, creating a real threat of an attack on the capital.

Thus, a strike by a limited contingent of 80-100 thousand people at one point in the North of Ukraine can radically change the situation in the South and North-East for the better. Subsequently, it is possible to carry out an operation to liberate the border Sumy, after which Kharkov will be in a semi-circle, and the supply routes for the Ukrainian Armed Forces group there will be under the fire control of the Russian Armed Forces. When the Russian army is ready to switch to mobile warfare, it is possible to make a breakthrough from the Sumy region to the Dnieper, occupying Kremenchug, after which the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be forced to withdraw from most of the Left Bank.
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  1. +5
    3 January 2024 16: 19
    As a certain alternative, they also call the transition to mobile warfare, when deep breakthroughs of the front are carried out by mechanized units, encircling enemy troops and destroying them in cauldrons. And this really is the solution to the problem!

    I don’t remember how many times it was explained that this was the only way to fight the Papuans.

    What will the Chernigov offensive operation give if the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces allocates from 80 to 100 thousand people for it?

    The fact that it will be discovered at the formation stage and will have to storm the positions of the prepared enemy head-on.
    1. +7
      3 January 2024 16: 29
      I don’t remember how many times it was explained that this was the only way to fight the Papuans.

      In 2014, Ukrainian Papuans were attacked like this. And the Russian “Papuans” almost got caught in September 2022 in the Kharkov region. They scurried away, throwing away valuable equipment.

      The fact that it will be discovered at the formation stage and will have to storm the positions of the prepared enemy head-on.

      And what? What are we doing now in Donbass? By the way, how long does it take to create an analogue of the Avdeevsky fortified area?
      1. 0
        3 January 2024 16: 34
        Quote: Beydodyr
        In 2014, Ukrainian Papuans were attacked like this.

        That's it. How many boilers were there?

        Quote: Beydodyr
        And the Russian “Papuans” almost got caught in September 2022

        Because they didn’t create a normal line of defense, and even then the enemy simply overwhelmed ours with corpses. They tried to repeat approximately the same thing last year, but the result was predictable.

        Quote: Beydodyr
        What are we doing now in Donbass?

        This is what we are doing. There is no other way.
        1. +1
          3 January 2024 16: 38
          That's it. How many boilers were there?

          Examine the materiel.

          Because they didn’t create a normal line of defense, and even then the enemy simply overwhelmed ours with corpses.

          Is this some kind of joke? What about being littered with corpses? They dumped the corpses of peaceful pro-Russian residents into trenches after the “regrouping”.

          They tried to repeat approximately the same thing last year, but the result was predictable.

          They couldn’t repeat the same thing, so they acted with their fingers spread out.

          This is what we are doing. There is no other way.

          And how!
          1. 0
            3 January 2024 20: 35
            Quote: Beydodyr
            Examine the materiel.

            So you don’t know?

            Quote: Beydodyr
            Is this some kind of joke? What about being littered with corpses?

            Don’t you know how they fight?

            Quote: Beydodyr
            They couldn’t repeat the same thing, because

            that in front of them there was a continuous line of layered defense and they had to start trying to find a weak point there. Unsuccessful.
      2. +1
        4 January 2024 14: 15
        And what? What are we doing now in Donbass? By the way, how long does it take to create an analogue of the Avdeevsky fortified area?

        God, what are you talking about? At a time when the issue of the next six-year plan is being decided, you are shouting about some kind of fortified area. They are not interested in this now.
    2. -4
      3 January 2024 22: 57
      It’s true that Russia doesn’t need a bloody maneuver war now, but we need patience, take care of our heroic fighters, and direct all our forces to
      1 creation of a full-fledged satellite constellation
      2 production of drones and missiles, as well as long-range artillery, electronic warfare, that is, modern means of warfare
      3 pressure on Western sponsors of ukrofashists, through
      And intimidation through a nuclear strike on Lviv (this is a knockout for them)
      B the destruction of not only their drones, but also aircraft over the Black Sea, the destruction of their satellites,
      To strengthen the nuclear triad by withdrawing all frigates and corvettes from the Baltic, Black and Caspian Seas to the Northern Fleet, strengthening the Navy grouping in Kamchatka by transferring all frigates and corvettes from Vladivostok, and Varyag

      only when the sponsors of the ukrofashists understand the seriousness of Russia will they stop feeding the Kiev regime, and if they lose long-range MLRS, then the problem of Belkgorod will be solved without the loss of our soldiers
  2. +1
    3 January 2024 16: 20
    Today, the main thing is the composition of cities according to Ukrainization, that is, the percentage of the Russian-speaking population, and with this the remaining percentage of Ukronazis, with whom there will be no peace for a long time, that is, until the final squeezing out and denazification. Here the border regions, Nikolaev and Odessa regions, can be quickly annexed. Kyiv, as a center, will clearly remain Ukronazi to the end, so it will be the last to be denazified. Conclusion: cut the pie into pieces, all at once, you can choke
    1. +3
      3 January 2024 16: 38
      After the destruction of Russian-speaking Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Avdeevka, massive raids on Odessa and Kharkov, the thesis about denazification will no longer work. There will now be more hatred towards Russians than in Bandera’s Lvov
      1. +3
        3 January 2024 17: 43
        Hatred is easily extinguished by the choice between life and death. The Americans proved this. So the harder we hit them, the more they will love us.
        1. +4
          4 January 2024 10: 10
          Quote: Michael_2
          The Americans proved it

          And what did the Americans prove? That after the carpet bombing of Dresden, the level of national unity in Nazi Germany only became higher? That a certain Goebbels got some good trump cards in propaganda? That the completely burned Tokyo with the number of victims of the fire tornado, comparable to nuclear bombings, only raised the degree of militarism in Imperial Japan? That the nuclear bombings were not so much a blow to Japan, but a warning and blackmail to the USSR? What else have the Americans proven?
          1. +4
            4 January 2024 11: 22
            Quote: k7k8
            What else have the Americans proven?

            That now Germany and Japan are their lap dogs.
            1. +5
              4 January 2024 12: 26
              Quote: Dart2027
              What now are Germany and Japan their lapdogs?

              The Marshall Plan made Germany a lap dog. It's a similar story with Japan too. Plus the legendary Japanese discipline and organization.
              1. -3
                4 January 2024 14: 13
                Quote: k7k8
                The Marshall Plan made Germany a lap dog.

                What about

                Quote: k7k8
                That after the carpet bombing of Dresden, the level of national unity in Nazi Germany only became higher? That a certain Goebbels got some good trump cards in propaganda? That the completely burned Tokyo with the number of victims of the fire tornado, comparable to nuclear bombings, only raised the degree of militarism in Imperial Japan?
                1. +1
                  4 January 2024 17: 33
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  What about

                  No contradiction. The Germans fought to the end. And even after signing the surrender. This is one of the results of the carpet bombing of Dresden. But when the source of ideological pumping disappeared, when the Germans were shown what was happening literally under their noses, then things went in a completely different direction. The turn in propaganda did its job. And then the economic component in the form of the Marshall Plan arrived. The puzzle is complete. But the Americans offered assistance in restoration for a reason. In return, they offered Germany to become their lap dog, to which they received consent. The Marshall Plan, by the way, could have been extended to the USSR, but Moscow saw the glamorous noose under the beautiful green wrapper in time.
                  1. +2
                    4 January 2024 17: 40
                    Quote: k7k8
                    No contradiction. The Germans fought to the end. And even after signing the surrender.

                    And if they weren’t there, would you give up right away? Ours didn’t carry out such bombings, but for some reason they preferred to surrender to the Americans.
                    1. +2
                      4 January 2024 21: 23
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      for some reason they preferred to surrender to the Americans

                      And you don't even know why? belay
                      1. 0
                        4 January 2024 22: 03
                        Quote: k7k8
                        you don't even know why

                        Well, why, since it was the Americans who bombed them like that?
                      2. +1
                        5 January 2024 00: 13
                        Quote: k7k8
                        And you don't even know why?

                        Surrendering to your own is always preferable.
                      3. 0
                        5 January 2024 06: 39
                        Quote: guest
                        Surrender to yours

                        His?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        after all, it was the Americans who bombed them like that
            2. -2
              4 January 2024 12: 45
              I want to remind you that the GDR was also “tame”... until some people, to whom centers and monuments are erected in Russia, betrayed the Germans...

              you yourself surrendered the interests of the country, you yourself corrupted your youth, you yourself destroyed your science, industry, medicine, education...

              and now oh, “Amelika is bad”...

              How is it that with slogans for a bun and a tram, not very young people are running to the front? that’s amazing... by the way, can you remind me in whose film they said that Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya fought for a bun? in American? oh...
              1. -1
                4 January 2024 14: 15
                Quote: Nikolai Volkov
                How is it that with slogans for a bun and a tram, not very young people are running to the front?

                Judging by the number of volunteers, it’s very special.
                How many of you are hiding there in Europe?
              2. +3
                5 January 2024 00: 16
                Quote: Nikolai Volkov
                I want to remind you that the GDR was also “tame”... until some people, to whom centers and monuments are erected in Russia, betrayed the Germans...

                Despite all my, to put it mildly, negative attitude towards Yeltsin, he has nothing to do with the betrayal of the GDR, this is on the conscience of his predecessor.
          2. +2
            6 January 2024 07: 27
            And what did the Americans prove? That after the carpet bombing of Dresden, the level of national unity in Nazi Germany only became higher? That the nuclear bombings were not so much a blow to Japan, but a warning and blackmail to the USSR?

            America convinced everyone of its choice. If before that there were doubts about her priorities, then the above actions on the part of the Yankees convinced that they had no other way. Accordingly, to resolve the communist issue, it was necessary to close the German-Japanese problem.
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  3. -2
    3 January 2024 16: 52
    It is necessary to develop not only plans for a military campaign, but also plans for solving the problem of unwanted/unreliable civilians. To equip in advance the places of their concentrated residence under reliable protection with the possibility of using their labor to restore the destroyed economy.
    1. +5
      4 January 2024 10: 12
      It was you who drew up the plan for creating concentration camps? In it you did not indicate methods for recycling waste material.
      1. 0
        5 January 2024 18: 48
        No recycling. These should be correctional institutions where “patients” will be imbued with Russian spiritual values. Security is necessary so that unreliable “new” citizens are not torn to pieces by trustworthy ones and members of the SVO. Naturally, these are not resorts - therefore they must be self-sufficient, but in compliance with the strictest (even the strictest) sanitary standards and sufficient food standards, depending on the nature of the work performed. It is clear that a young guy doing hard physical work needs more calories to maintain the vital functions of the body than an unable to work woman, an elderly person or a child. Military nutritionists should have their say here.
        Everything can be organized - the main thing is to think in advance.
        1. 0
          6 January 2024 07: 30
          No recycling. These should be correctional institutions where “patients” will be imbued with Russian spiritual values...

          Or maybe they are all better in the Congo? How did the Israelis come up with the idea of ​​uniting the Palestinians, who are always suffering?
    2. +3
      4 January 2024 12: 42
      Have you tried to deal with YOURS before dealing with someone else’s population?

      with all these Ivleevs, Urgants, Galkins and others... you had hundreds of thousands of Verkhniy Lars stormed, teenagers, but at the instigation, set fire to the railway infrastructure...

      you yourself, with your chatter, have raised young people who are not interested in anything other than lace panties and iPhones... but to create concentration camps there... so you personally should be the first to go there and be imprisoned with your idols for the collapse of Russia
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  4. Owl
    +2
    3 January 2024 17: 17
    A “second” Kharkov front is needed, for its “opening” - the following are needed: reserves (personnel and equipment), a decision by the supreme commander to conduct military operations and the elimination of attempts by liberal oligarchs to influence the conduct of the war (to prevent any repetitions of analogues of the “grain deal” ")..
    1. +2
      4 January 2024 01: 24
      and eliminating attempts by liberal oligarchs to influence the conduct of the war (to prevent any repetitions of analogues of the “grain deal”)

      Nobody wants this deal. The export of grain from Ukraine is in full swing. They hinted to Putin that if he starts shelling ships, they will sink all Russian ships in the Black Sea. And especially tankers with export oil. After this the topic was hushed up.

      A “second” is needed, Kharkov Front

      If there had been an opportunity, they would have opened it a long time ago. A second mobilization could destroy the country. Well, the most unpleasant thing is that there is nothing to equip.
      1. 0
        4 January 2024 12: 38
        A second mobilization could destroy the country.

        So maybe it’s time for the country to explain its goals and objectives? to say that once we take something, we will not give it up to please the Mazepins and Abramovichs... that after the end of the war, such and such will be restored, there will be such and such infusions into science, medicine, education...

        Maybe it’s time to finally get down to business and not giggle that the Minister of Agriculture is okay with his eggs???

        you see, then the people will understand that we have a PATRIOTIC war, and not an IMPERIALIST. At the same time, start conducting NORMAL propaganda on the other side, not proving to people that they do not exist, that their language is fake and other chauvinistic and pseudo-historical crap, but offering a WORTHY image of the future...
        1. +2
          6 January 2024 07: 33
          you see, then the people will understand that we have a PATRIOTIC war, and not an IMPERIALIST.

          People have been calling her names for a long time, to spite the propagondons, a civilian.
          In which changelings, former Parteigenosse, a former powerful power, who turned into evil mongrels, rule.
  5. +5
    3 January 2024 17: 26
    The size of the group required for the complete liberation of at least the Left Bank of Ukraine is called in various sources from 300 to 500 thousand people, and some even say about 1 million.
    Where can you get officers for such a crowd? Just crowds, without intelligent commanders it’s just a crowd
    During the operation to encircle the Germans in Stalingrad, Zhukov had 280 thousand troops, expecting to encircle 260 thousand, but encircled 330 thousand. Where are the “times” here? And in other spacecraft operations, in rare cases the number of troops exceeded the enemy by 2 times
    A.V. Suvorov -

    You need to fight not with numbers, but with skill

    which is not observed in modern times.
    1. -1
      4 January 2024 01: 37
      There were times. In tanks, the ratio of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht was the smallest in 42 - 1,2: 1. Then it grew throughout the war. In aviation the picture is the same.
      The Germans fell into the cauldron because of the Romanians. In general, in such operations, place matters more than strength. At the moment, there is no way to concentrate any forces unnoticed. The movements of battalions are now being tracked in real time. No divisions or corps will be able to concentrate forces for a strike. Intelligence in Ukraine works very well even in deep rear areas.
      1. 0
        4 January 2024 10: 22
        Quote: Hippo 31
        There were times

        Yes, but not as horselike as the author dreams.

        Quote: Hippo 31
        The Germans fell into the cauldron because of the Romanians

        Yes, the front was broken through in its weakest places. This is still possible. Where? But here intelligence must have its say. Moreover, not so much satellite and air, but ground and, so to speak, ideological and psychological, with a clear analysis of the moral and combat state of the enemy and the civilian population (which was a total failure at the beginning of the Northern Military District).

        Quote: Hippo 31
        No divisions or corps will be able to concentrate forces for a strike. Intelligence in Ukraine works very well even in deep rear areas.

        This means that we must learn to act suddenly, forming strike groups on the move, from the wheels. I think it's not just me who thinks about this. In the Operations Directorate of the General Staff, guys smarter than us serve you.
        1. -2
          4 January 2024 13: 46
          It’s been a long time since the guys in the General Staff have been sitting there, but hardened, seasoned men. But they haven't proven it yet. Guys run around in American Hollywood movies, but here in high school, in college, maximum!
          1. 0
            4 January 2024 17: 36
            Everything you listed is nothing more than questions of terminology. And there are also enough young people in the General Staff.
            Moreover

            1. 0
              9 January 2024 12: 00
              And I’m writing to you about terminology! Don’t understand that you need to speak Russian, and not like something from Hollywood films?
      2. 0
        4 January 2024 18: 04
        The movements of battalions are now being tracked in real time.

        Of course, if on a cloudless summer day a battalion headed towards the LBS in a solid column at a snail's pace, and even without air defense cover, then its chances are not high. But, if this column marches under light snowfall at high speed under the cover of air defense while maintaining radio silence, then there is still a chance of reaching the starting position for the attack. And then there are reinforcements, including by air, and perhaps even landings behind enemy lines (after all, why do we have paratroopers). Time in such cases is counted on the clock. The Armed Forces of Ukraine were 5 hours late. All LBS were broken.
        1. DO
          0
          8 January 2024 02: 54
          Quote: Alexey Lan
          If this column marches under light snowfall at high speed under the cover of air defense while maintaining radio silence, then there is still a chance of reaching the starting position for the attack.

          This is only possible if the Russian air defense shoots down all reachable NATO AWACS aircraft, which supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with intelligence information in real time. But so far this has not been done, because this is a direct conflict between Russia and NATO, the time for which has not yet come.
  6. 0
    3 January 2024 17: 28
    So, I didn’t understand the strategic advantages of Chernigov with our group of 100 thousand. Why is it needed? What's the use of this non-black earth forested area? With a group of 200-300 thousand, the situation would have been different: it would have been possible to encircle troops and groups of the north-eastern part of the Chernihiv region, as well as the Sumy region, and access directly to Kyiv along the left bank. However, I am tormented by vague doubts: do we even have a trained group of 100 thousand with the necessary weapons? Maybe there is. But there are other tempting directions. For example, the south with Odessa and Nikolaev. The loss of the south immediately significantly reduces the strategic value of Ukraine. Yes, and the problem of the Black Sea Fleet would have been solved immediately. Another tempting direction with 100 thousand strikes from Belgorod east of Kharkov to Izyum - Liman - Severodonetsk with the encirclement and subsequent destruction of the enemy group of the northern section of the LBS. These are the projects of another sofa expert. Ultimately, everything depends on having well-armed and trained reserves.
    1. -2
      3 January 2024 17: 45
      The advantage is the border with Belarus. If we can properly build a defense around it, then the Bandera will either have to change their concept or attack head-on. Through these very wooded areas.
      1. +2
        4 January 2024 01: 48
        And no one will attack. They will simply ambush them as best they can.
      2. +1
        4 January 2024 10: 25
        Quote: Michael_2
        Advantage - border with Belarus

        Wake up. The 120-strong Ukrainian Armed Forces group has been entrenched there for a long time.
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    3. +3
      4 January 2024 09: 34
      It seems to me that the country is being lured towards the northern and Kharkov directions. There is a video circulating on the Internet like Kharkiv residents calling on Russia to liberate the city, saying they need to send a peacekeeping contingent there (it is not clear - Russian or NATO). Why is this being done? This is a repeat of the beginning of the SVO. Yes, just to distract us from taking and protecting maritime borders. Indeed, taking Odessa can solve many problems. Just how to get it, Odessa is not Avdeevka
      1. +5
        4 January 2024 12: 29
        taking Odessa...

        dear, have you tried opening the card? where is Odessa from the current LBS? for Odessa you need to cross the Dnieper once, take Kherson two, approach Nikolaev three, take Nikolaev 4... and Odessa won’t even appear on the horizon...

        while you dream of Odessa, Belgorod will be demolished... The Belgorod region is one of the few RUSSIAN regions of Russia that is not (was) subsidized... well, let's also ruin it in our dreams of Odessa...

        we need to move step by step...and the first task now is to protect our own citizens...
        1. +2
          4 January 2024 13: 04
          You are completely right. But... without taking away Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, all this SVO is nothing but vegetable oil.
      2. 0
        5 January 2024 18: 44
        This thought also occurred to me. Otherwise, for what purpose did the shelling of Belgorod seriously intensify? Every day they fire different missiles. And this despite the fact that we do not have any military facilities and the Ukrainian Armed Forces are well aware of this.
  7. +1
    3 January 2024 17: 37
    Each major settlement must be taken by two armies. So there are fewer losses, and the offensive is speeding up. But the armies must have all the necessary equipment at their disposal, including aviation and tanks. But if the Ukrainian Armed Forces changes direction to Crimea, then everything will have to be radically changed. Zelensky promised that the confrontation will intensify in this direction. Everything is again heading towards the Black Sea.
    1. +1
      4 January 2024 01: 52
      The most unpleasant thing about concentration. While they fight in waves. They mowed down a wave, and at this time a second one gathers and attacks. If you gather a large crowd with tanks, etc., they will cover you before the attack begins. Now the hunt is not even for squads, but for individual infantrymen.
      These are the realities.
      1. 0
        5 January 2024 18: 51
        In 1941, German pilots on Messers also, out of nothing to do, hunted for individual vehicles and small groups of people. You're exaggerating the drone war. If you set up powerful electronic warfare, then a rare bird will fly behind the LBS. In this case, the airwaves will be so clogged with interference that small radio-controlled drones will not be able to fly at all.
  8. +5
    3 January 2024 17: 44
    But there is no other way out, or the battle for Verdun will continue for another two or three years opposite Donetsk (it turns out that our generals never studied the WWII strategy, only the WWII strategy, and what were they doing in the Schools and Academies then?) But after all, WWI ended badly for Russia...
  9. +6
    3 January 2024 19: 08
    The longer we fight, the more we understand that we are ruled by mediocrities. Now they are talking about 1 million people, in a year they will need two, etc. It seems that we have superiority in all types of weapons. The main thing in aviation. But our commanders keep sending infantry to attack. The situation on the LBS is such that a breakthrough in one place will lead to a collapse in another. Because we will have to withdraw troops and expose the front. Of course, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will see the concentration of our troops in some direction, but we have advantages in all types of weapons. And in one direction our army will be able to destroy the air defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for our aviation. But,.....
    1. +9
      3 January 2024 19: 55
      Quote: steel maker
      We have advantages in all types of weapons

      Long gone.
      The United States gives the Ukrainian Armed Forces exactly enough quantity/quality to ensure parity.
      Taken together, including satellite communications and intelligence, in which the United States has a serious advantage.
      1. -2
        3 January 2024 20: 46
        I don’t dare to object; mattresses have a large number of AWACS aircraft, to put it mildly, and they are very useful. But we have missile weapons at the level and there is no invulnerable fallow territory; we can reach all the way to Uzhgorod if necessary.
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      1. +4
        3 January 2024 23: 07
        When the prisoners are completely gone, they won’t storm like that anymore. And they didn’t feel sorry for the prisoners, although Prigozhin, apparently, had this business organized well. Wagner left and our troops still cannot reach some of the lines that were lost after.
        1. +3
          4 January 2024 12: 24
          Wagner left because he laid down 20 prisoners (according to Prigozhin)... when there was no one to put down, they set sail... in the Central African Republic it’s calmer to talk about the fact that we never retreat...

          If we continue to fight according to the patterns of Prigozhin and Utkin, we will have no men left for Kramatorsk like prisoners...
          1. +4
            4 January 2024 15: 31
            And how much did the generals put in without taking anything while fleeing near Kharkov? a military secret..
  10. +2
    3 January 2024 20: 54
    Current, interesting article! Thanks to the author, since from our General Staff there is not yet a hint of what we mean by demilitarization in this pre-spring period))
    I believe that the Chernigov version of military operations is also being considered in our Defense Ministry, which is why we are accumulating resources to solve offensive tasks.
    For myself, I see three reasons for such news, and soon: favorable weather conditions for the offensive, because... there is no greenery and the soil is frozen, - the need to extinguish the evil actions of the enemy towards the civilian population, to secure the largest cities at least, - improving the image of our commander-in-chief closer to the elections as a winner, and not a master of agreements and a character who is easy to circle around finger Minskami
    1. +5
      4 January 2024 01: 10
      favorable weather conditions for the offensive, because there is no greenery and the soil is frozen

      Ukraine is not Siberia. The ground rarely freezes.

      secure as large cities as possible at least

      The drones fly 1000 km, and the air defense is leaky. There are a lot of military targets and you can’t cover them all. Again, the agents are working.

      and not a master of negotiations and a character who can be easily fooled by the Minsks

      Hope dies last. The tsar did not sit on the throne longer than Brezhnev so that someone else could be chosen. Therefore, there will be elections for Putin under any circumstances.
      1. +5
        4 January 2024 12: 22
        naturally it will be Putin...if they “persuaded” the only even slightly similar alternative to nominate neither Grudinin nor Bondarenko (who wouldn’t have won either, but at least 20 percent could have taken their chances), but the elderly Kharitonov, whose whole program is to Putin put on his cap...

        Will Davankov win? or the Slutsky rattle? Oh well
        1. +2
          6 January 2024 07: 37
          Quote: Nikolai Volkov
          naturally it will be Putin...if they “persuaded” the only even slightly similar alternative to nominate neither Grudinin nor Bondarenko (who wouldn’t have won either, but at least 20 percent could have taken their chances), but the elderly Kharitonov, whose whole program is

          In Khabarovsk, it turned out great with the bummer of edros, when people went to vote, stupidly, not for, but against.
          Without GDP, they, the people, will not live any worse.
  11. -3
    3 January 2024 21: 42
    You will still have to hit the EU factories where long-range ammunition is produced
  12. +3
    3 January 2024 21: 46
    We have a branch of the General Staff here. At the same time, no one is involved in the troops, or the rear of the troops, or the military-industrial complex for the troops and is not the commander-in-chief, and cannot give any orders to anyone. But “reworking” the topic is a pleasure. In conditions of total surveillance of us from satellites and aircraft of AWACS, our real enemy, the first task of the General Staff is to “blind” them with everything possible. Otherwise, any of our actions will be unraveled in mid-sound, and an answer will be prepared, which our people can most likely find out about after the fact. Such a war, oh, SVO.

    Whoever owns the information owns everything.
    1. +2
      4 January 2024 10: 30
      Quote: In passing
      We have formed a branch of the General Staff here

      Why is it so small? Apparently, it was the General Staff that became a branch of "Reporter" laughing
    2. +7
      4 January 2024 12: 20
      you laid it all out beautifully here... and about satellites, and about AWACS, and even remembered some REAL enemy of yours...

      The only question is, why does all this supposedly work only in the Chernihiv region??? and during the meat struggles near Avdeevka, Marinka, etc., is your REAL enemy not having all this?

      1. -2
        5 January 2024 03: 01
        They have their own AWACS and satellites, but there is still enough ukromya to waste their precious American lives. This works throughout this Northern Military District, with or without Chernigov. Ukraine and Ukrainians are just a place and personnel, and the war is being fought so that there are no states here.
  13. +6
    3 January 2024 22: 31
    “Negotiations” are, of course, possible. Russia has never rejected them, unlike the crazy Ukrainian authorities.

    If the SVO were conducted on the territory of the Russian Federation, then Ukraine would be ready for any negotiations. Any president who recognizes the occupied territories will receive a couple of dozen for high treason. And the fact that the Russian Federation even wrote Kherson into its constitution does not bother them at all. No one in the world recognizes this, not even Lukashenko’s vassal.

    What will the Chernigov offensive operation give if the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces allocates from 80 to 100 thousand people for it?

    It will give a second heroic capture of Upper Lars, and if the borders are closed, then a mass resettlement to the taiga regions and the rapid development of the north. Again, I heard that not everyone has the right size pants for the conscripts. Or are they lying?
    We should have been preparing for the blitzkrieg two years ago. Smart analysts probably thought that one policeman would cause a whole crowd to scatter, like in Moscow? And there Makhnovism is in everyone’s blood. And forests from Chernigov to Kyiv. In Finnish, how many people died in the forefields before reaching the Manerheim line. And there are 120 km of foreland. And you won’t be able to suddenly focus on the border. Again, how many troops will be needed to repel the Makhnovists in terms of logistics? Everything is prepared and targeted there.
    It was in vain that Girkin was imprisoned. He wouldn't talk such crap.
    With good intentions, the road to hell is paved.
    1. +8
      4 January 2024 12: 16
      Girkin, and not such garbage... when it was already clear that everything had stalled, that there were not enough troops, etc., this character envisioned a cutting strike towards the border from the territory of Belarus through Volyn...

      and about the two years of preparation for the blitzkrieg...sorry, we had not two years, but 8...only instead of preparation, someone stormed the plywood Reichstags...
    2. -1
      4 January 2024 15: 37
      Have you been there and seen it? or took part in construction? The production of misinformation in Ukraine was excellent.
  14. +2
    3 January 2024 23: 08
    Eh, they dream well. It's been a year already. different plans here and there...
    It is more interesting that a year ago they began to write about the construction of new fortifications by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and mining near the border with the Republic of Belarus.
    Was it really possible that they built there, but not specifically near the border with Russia?
    But it is possible for this HPP to slowly grind down Russian Ukrainians (in terms of GDP) so that there are none left at all. Then, in 5 years, Ukraine, which has settled accounts with pensioners and children, will itself fall into the wrong hands.
  15. +3
    3 January 2024 23: 10
    That's it, Belarus is on the right. The flank is covered. But you don’t have to enter Chernigov. Keep Belgorod at gunpoint like they do. Yes, and Kyiv will be under fire, and this is already a seam. You can be filled with answers.
    1. +1
      4 January 2024 15: 41
      As far as Chernigov is concerned, from the hotel on the top floor you can see all the outskirts of the city.
  16. +2
    4 January 2024 05: 23
    It's like that! But why do you have to storm the city? You can surround the dill, beat them and wait until they run out of ammunition and die of hunger.
  17. +3
    4 January 2024 08: 33
    Yes, you should all be on the General Staff. Such talented strategists are also on the couch.
  18. +10
    4 January 2024 09: 02
    Until due attention is paid to communications and engineering structures on them, all this is chatter, not SVO. I still haven’t found an explanation for the lack of attacks on bridges, entrance and exit necks of track development at railway stations, a tunnel portal in the Carpathians, depots, etc....
  19. +5
    4 January 2024 10: 02
    Quote: vladimir1155
    only when the sponsors of the ukrofashists understand the seriousness of Russia will they stop feeding the Kiev regime, and if they lose long-range MLRS, then the problem of Belkgorod will be solved without the loss of our soldiers

    Made me laugh funny. Norway is ready, and as they write, it has already supplied the Ukrainians with long-range projectiles to test them on our army and territories. They have been relying on our threats for 2 years now and continue to do so. Washington has already officially announced that crests can shoot NATO weapons anywhere and to what depth.
  20. +4
    4 January 2024 10: 27
    The Great Patriotic War also showed that it is easiest to attack where the population is positively disposed towards the attackers.
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  22. 0
    4 January 2024 11: 42
    The author just wants here and now. Because I can’t stand it. And the fact that forces are accumulating gradually, that the Army is equipped, armed, and dressed not in one day as desired, but gradually, does not take the car into account. Until now, volunteers are bringing help to the front; women in the rear are weaving camouflage nets almost at home. The production of equipment is increasing, but it is not being pulled out of a pocket like a magician - this must be taken into account first of all. BUT the author is already advancing and mentally seizing bridgeheads. Learn patience, and you are offering to rush with your bare bottoms????
    1. 0
      4 January 2024 15: 45
      Do you suggest waiting until they hit the musals? you can wait

      One minute decides the outcome of the battle; one hour - the success of the campaign; one day - the fate of the empire.

      Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov
  23. +3
    4 January 2024 12: 08
    All this is understandable and has long been known even to children.
    And if you attack, then on a broad front from Chernigov to Kharkov, then the fascists will immediately go crazy and fall down. And in Donbass right away too. So finally “start”, Uncle Vova!
    But for this, then, based on the author’s approximate estimates for Chernigov, for 3 cities (Chernigov, Sumy and Kharkov) 250-300 tons of soldiers with the necessary weapons, uniforms and experienced commanders are needed!
    And we obviously don’t have this, since we’re still chewing snot, standing on the defensive and forgiving everything to the fascists. We don’t punish them, we don’t save our civilians, we just fire back at them with missiles.
  24. +5
    4 January 2024 12: 11
    Well...Chernigov...why not Rava-Russkaya or Uzhgorod right away???

    at least liberate Volchansk and Cossack Lopan so that Belgorod can at least breathe a little... but instead there are some projects about Chernigov...
    1. +4
      4 January 2024 14: 24
      Quote: Nikolai Volkov
      Well...Chernigov...why not Rava-Russkaya or Uzhgorod right away???

      at least liberate Volchansk and Cossack Lopan so that Belgorod can at least breathe a little... but instead there are some projects about Chernigov...

      This was not part of the plans of the Supreme...
      The six-year-old is questionable.
  25. +4
    4 January 2024 12: 28
    This is all very good. But much more effective is the destruction or paralysis of the entire vertical of Bandera’s power. There are not so many individuals who make decisions and implement them. As long as their vertical power structure exists, the meat grinder and terrorist attacks will continue. It is possible to push the border back by 300 kilometers. Enemies will find scum inside Russia for murders and terrorist attacks. They will receive missiles with a range of 500 kilometers. The enemy must be deprived of communications, television, the Internet and the railway must be stopped. It should be taken into account that they continue to process the population daily. But the liberation of Chernigov will not hurt!
    1. +5
      4 January 2024 13: 43
      Well, everyone understands how cities have been liberated lately. With great difficulty and great sacrifices. Well, let’s say Chernigov was liberated, what next? Kyiv cannot be taken via the Dnieper with 100 or even 200 thousand. Are we opening a new LBS in an enemy wooded area, which by the way needs to be controlled by someone?
  26. +8
    4 January 2024 13: 59
    The achievements of our Defense Ministry are undeniable. Ze successfully transferred the war to Russian territory. Border areas are almost unprotected. We save the lives of peaceful Ukrainians without sparing our civilians.
    1. +2
      6 January 2024 07: 40
      Quote: kriten
      The achievements of our Defense Ministry are undeniable. Ze successfully transferred the war to Russian territory. Border areas are almost unprotected. We save the lives of peaceful Ukrainians without sparing our civilians.

      Do you think that if we encroach on peaceful Ukrainian lives, we will come to victory?
  27. -6
    4 January 2024 14: 02
    In my opinion, the smaller the size of the front, the more crowded the Ukrainian troops will be to destroy them.
  28. -1
    4 January 2024 16: 10
    The sanitary zone should begin at the border with Poland, Romania and Moldova. All. Here's the solution!
  29. -2
    4 January 2024 22: 48
    It’s difficult to attach a map to the article, otherwise you read here and have to look at maps to find Chernigov... The author came up with something while looking at the map, but didn’t share it with the reader
    1. -2
      4 January 2024 23: 39
      You need to know geography, and even more so the geography of historical Russia! Then find it in a geographical atlas or Yandex maps, since such an ignoramus.
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  32. -1
    5 January 2024 10: 27
    What can change the liberation of Chernigov by the Russian army during the Northern Military District?

    The liberation of Chernigov can increase the length of the front line by many hundreds of kilometers.... and nothing more.
    Chernigov is the left bank. Despite the fact that you need to take all of Ukraine. To prolong the conflict, the capture of Chernigov cannot be imagined better. All forces will be devoted to holding the many-thousand-kilometer front line from Kherson to Gomel.
    For a faster and more convincing victory, it is necessary to dissect Ukraine along the line Korosten - Zhitomir - Vinnitsa - Mogilev-Podolsky. After such a blow, Western aid will no longer reach Donbass. And all the Ukrainian fronts on the Left Bank will crumble. And in Western Ukraine there will be few people who want to liberate Eastern Ukraine. Everyone who can will flee to Poland.
    Then Chernigov, Kharkov, the Black Sea, and Transnistria will be ours...
    What will remain for Kyiv?
    1. +2
      5 January 2024 11: 57
      What a strategist, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will read it and rush to the West out of fear and trample on this strategy
      1. 0
        6 January 2024 07: 44
        To prolong the conflict, the capture of Chernigov cannot be imagined better.

        Yes. Therefore, in order to prevent the conflict from prolonging, what needs to be done? Remove from affairs the beneficiaries of the prolongation of the conflict.
  33. +2
    6 January 2024 12: 33
    Quote: nike
    What a strategist, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will read it and rush to the West out of fear and trample on this strategy

    Yes, what does this auto guy have to do with Putin’s strategists or Gerasimov’s General Staff with his North Military District plan. Come on, make more derogatory comments Yes

    how he will rush to the West out of fear and trample this strategy

    If Kyiv finds itself under continuous fire from MLRS and OTRK, the Nazis will actually rush out of it to the West to Lvov, and the troops will eventually withdraw after heavy losses.
  34. 0
    6 January 2024 15: 48
    What can change the liberation of Chernigov by the Russian army during the Northern Military District?

    Well, if Chernigov is made the capital of Ukraine with a government of national unity of fraternal peoples, then this could give a restart to return these territories to the previous good-neighborly orbit of relations. But for opponents of such a course, this prospect is extremely dangerous. In connection with this, the issue of ending it is being delayed.
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    2. -1
      6 January 2024 16: 59
      You guys, Chernigov is an ancient Russian city. Russians want to return to their historical homeland. Yes
      1. 0
        7 January 2024 02: 14
        Quote: isofat
        You guys, Chernigov is an ancient Russian city. Russians want to return to their historical homeland. Yes

        But they don’t want to return to Grozny?
  35. 0
    6 January 2024 20: 58
    Hey, Russians, don’t touch Nikolaev and Odessa, these are the sea gates of independent Ukraine, it’s better to move to Chernigov or Sumy... There are beautiful fields and valleys... Come on, expand your front... (Can’t wait, they think in Russia?) .
  36. 0
    8 January 2024 22: 55
    For the Chernigov military operation, 80-100 thousand people are needed.

    These are not entirely clear calculations of the author, if in the Chernigov region only a 10-thousand-strong group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is assembled, then to create a guaranteed 4-5-fold advantage, a 40-50 thousand-strong corps is required, and to block the encircled Chernigov, 30 thousand people are not needed, but enough for everyone leaving the city, equip 10-12 battalion fortified areas with reinforcements (tanks, artillery, anti-tank missiles, MLRS....) and minefields...