Weapon of Victory: can SVO give a second life to unmanned Il-2 attack aircraft?

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The fact that modern war is unthinkable without high-precision weapons was clearly demonstrated by the Northern Military District in Ukraine. But can all these various kamikaze drones and gliding bombs with correction modules become real weapons of Victory?

The sky under the hood


As has been noted many times before, Russian aviation, unfortunately, cannot operate freely in the skies over Ukraine due to the oversaturation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with various air defense systems - from MANPADS to modern air defense systems. The Russian Aerospace Forces have learned to penetrate it in two ways.



First – this is the use of kamikaze drones of the “Geranium” type simultaneously with cruise missile strikes. Primitive and inexpensive Iranian-made drones, carrying up to 50 kg of explosives, are used to disrupt and overload enemy air defense systems, clearing the way for expensive precision-guided missiles. The Ukrainian Armed Forces use the same technique to strike Russian rear areas in Crimea, the Azov region and the Donbass. I remember how the Houthis carried out something similar in 2019, using Iranian cruise missiles and UAVs to attack the refinery of the Saudi oil company Saudi Aramco.

In other words, long-range attack drones are simultaneously used for their intended purpose and as bait for expensive NATO-made anti-aircraft missiles. Such an exchange is extremely beneficial for the Russian Ministry of Defense. The effectiveness of this tactic will increase even more if promising domestic kamikaze drones called “Italmas” receive a homing head for enemy air defense radars, turning into anti-radar drones like the Israeli Harpy or Harop.

Second The method involves the use of aircraft bombs by the Russian Aerospace Forces equipped with planning correction modules. The flight range of a bomb dropped at high speed from a height allows it to cover a distance of 40 to 70 km without entering the kill zone of a medium-radius air defense system. However, some Ukrainian S-300 bomber may well be caught, because it’s good that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have few of them left.

Unfortunately, there are also not as many front-line bombers and attack aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces as we would like. At the same time, it is necessary to take into account the losses suffered in almost two years by the North Military District, and the training of a military pilot takes years. In this regard, without claiming to be the ultimate truth, I would like to put forward for discussion a proposal to increase the effectiveness of Russian aviation in a special operation zone oversaturated with enemy air defense systems.

"Flying Tanks"


In order to operate successfully in the skies over Ukraine, illuminated by NATO radars, our fighters and bombers must be stealthy, built according to technology stealth, and even better - simultaneously unmanned.

The only problem is that there is no domestic analogue of the B-2 Spirit or B-21 Raider in hardware. PAK DA, or “Messenger”, also just being developedIt is unclear when he will appear at the front. Things are somewhat better with the S-70 “Okhotnik” super-heavy class stealth drone, which exists in several copies, but is still being tested in the northwestern military zone. However, due to its high cost, the S-70 is unlikely to become widespread, so it seems more promising to create a smaller, cheaper, budget version similar to the Iranian Saiga attack UAV family.

Huge potential is hidden in the fifth generation fighters Su-57 and its younger brother Su-75. Airplanes that are barely noticeable on radar could be actively used in the skies over Ukraine. The only problem is that very few heavy twin-engine Su-57s have been produced, and therefore they are afraid to risk them again due to the threat of losing them. The single-engine Su-75 generally exists only in concept form. Its big advantage is that it is maximally unified with the Su-57, and can be used in an unmanned version to break through enemy air defense and dropping gliding bombs into the deep rear areas of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. However, we can realistically expect the fifth-generation light multirole fighter Su-75 to appear at the front only in a few years. Despite its relatively low cost, stated at 20-30 million dollars, this aircraft does not qualify for consumables that you don’t have to spare. Are there any alternatives?

Perhaps we should approach this issue from a completely different angle. What weapon is rightfully considered a symbol of Victory in the Great Patriotic War? The T-34 tank immediately comes to mind, and then the Il-2 attack aircraft. The main post-war arms brand of our country is the Kalashnikov assault rifle. What do they have in common? The simplicity and reliability of the design, which determined the mass production and scale of application. Perhaps these are the criteria that should become decisive in the development of modern Victory weapons.

Why not consider creating a modern, modernized version of the Il-2M attack aircraft in unmanned and optionally manned versions?

Despite all the seeming absurdity of such a proposal, there is a rational grain in it. Let's compare the performance characteristics of the Russian reconnaissance and strike UAV "Orion" and the Il-2 in the classic, non-modernized version. The drone's wingspan is 16,3 m, length - 8 m, height - 3,2 m, maximum take-off weight - 1000 kg, payload weight - 200 kg. The maximum flight altitude of Orion reaches 7,5 km, cruising speed - from 120 to 200 km/h, combat radius - from 250 to 300 km, provided that a repeater is used. With a load of 60 kg, the UAV can stay in the air for up to 24 hours.

Is 200 kg payload a lot or a little? Compared to an airplane, it is unacceptably small. That old IL-2 looks much more effective against the background of the Orion. Its wingspan is 14,6 m, length – 11,6 m, height – 4,17 m. Maximum flight speed at the ground is 414/391 km/h, maximum take-off weight reaches 6160 kg, payload weight – 1535 kg. The service ceiling is 5440 m, the maximum range is 765 km. The Il-2's armament included aircraft cannons, machine guns, aerial bombs and unguided missiles.

What is preferable - 1535 kg payload or 200 kg? Note that this is the performance characteristics of an aircraft built on technologies and components from the middle of the last century, designed for two crew members who are protected from anti-aircraft fire from the ground by an armored capsule. But what if we make an unmanned version, where only the power plant and remote control system will need protection, and the engine will be more powerful and modern?

Then you will get a relatively low-cost unmanned attack aircraft, whose combat load will increase from one and a half tons to two or more. The low cost will be determined by the cheap materials used in manufacturing and a simple piston engine. At the same time, the conditional Il-2M will be able to carry a fairly wide range of precision-guided munitions: glide bombs, air-launched anti-tank missiles and, possibly, kamikaze drones of the Lancet type, adapted for launch from an aircraft. Such UAVs could be mass produced in order to be widely used at the front, without fear of losing pilots.

It is possible to increase the effectiveness of their actions by interacting with simultaneously released anti-radar drones that will hunt enemy air defenses. Design features would provide the unmanned Il with increased survivability under anti-aircraft fire and maintainability. In addition to strike missions, such aircraft can be used for aerial reconnaissance, as well as when patrolling our long state border. In the latter case, attack aircraft may have a manned version.
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  1. +4
    24 November 2023 13: 04
    You can and should fantasize, just stick to scientific fantasy, but not abstract. Piston Il-2s, then followers of Tucano, etc., are still somewhat suitable for attacks on partisans, but no more. Even the advanced Su-25s are outdated and cannot fly closer to the LBS, and others have the same fate. Now the trend is: the cheaper, more numerous and more precise. What can meet the criterion: low cost and high precision, with the influence of air defense - only UAVs at the mass level with communications and control devices, reconnaissance and the use of weapons, when attack means are more expensive than air defense means. There is nothing to be clever about, more and cheaper with sufficient efficiency. There is no place for new yesterday's freshness and expensive products, the time of existing ones is running out, new generations of lines of mass-produced compact unmanned short-range weapons on LBS are coming..
    1. +5
      25 November 2023 12: 16
      The idea is right.
      There are interests of the country, the army, the people. And there are corporate interests (oligarchs). IL 10 was developed in 6 months and put into production within 4 months. The question was about victory in the Second World War.

      Today, developers (oligarchs and other corrupt officials) are faced with the question of cutting the budget. That’s why airplanes take years, decades to create, and they don’t want to fly.
      There is money to feed the Africans, but for the army “there is no money, but you hold on.”
      Thanks to the creators of the modern military-industrial complex and the General Staff, the army is forced to beg from the population. For Christ's sake, use UAVs, UAZ vehicles for transporting the wounded, camouflage nets, trench candles, etc.

      There is a problem with UAVs - the developers need to be gathered into sharagas and put behind barbed wire. Shoot a couple of thieves - factory directors. In 3-4 months, UAVs will begin to be supplied to the army.
      But for this, a figure equal to I.V. is needed at the head of the country. Stalin, and at the head of the military-industrial complex - L.P. Beria. Today's leaders, the creators of the ideology of limitless theft of Russia, are not capable of this.
  2. +6
    24 November 2023 13: 04
    If the enemy's air defense interferes with you, then fight the enemy's air defense.
    If you need a cheap simulator drone, then you need to design it to provoke enemy air defense.
    And let him spend missiles on destroying drone provocateurs.
    In order to detect the launch point of an enemy air defense missile, the location of launchers and radar installations, surveillance and reconnaissance equipment is needed.
    To destroy air defense installations, high-precision and anti-radar weapons are needed.
    In short, we need a whole system for provoking, detecting and destroying enemy air defense systems.
    The development and production of a hundred-year-old aircraft will not solve anything. Today it won't come cheap anymore. Capitalism, however.
    Who will do it if Cambodians are even recruited to work at Russian shipyards?!
    1. +1
      25 November 2023 12: 19
      Where have the Russians gone? Died out. Thanks to Yeltsin and his followers, the oligarchs, and the dear United Russia party for our happy present.
  3. +2
    24 November 2023 14: 29
    Great victory.
    However, right from the title - Do we still have IL-2 stocks left? to get them out of storage and give them a second life?
    No. It was partially wooden and this and that....

    And if you start making it according to ancient drawings, then it will be golden, half the money will be stolen and taken over the hill (Serdyukov, UAC, helicopters...), all deadlines will be missed.
    If you start redoing it in a modern way, it’s still golden, they’ll take half the money and take it over the hill, they’ll miss all the deadlines...

    And the fate of the Partizan UAV, SU75 UAV, YAK 130 UAV, Chaika missile-carrying UAV, and other NIAM-UAVs will befall it...
    1. -2
      25 November 2023 12: 39
      At the beginning of 2024, the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation plan to form the first regiment of new generation Su-57 fighters in the amount of 24 aircraft. It is expected that by the end of 2027 there will be three such air units. By that time, 76 Su-57M aircraft will enter service with the Russian Air Force.
      In the event of a full-scale war with NATO, these 76 fighters will be shot down in the first months. The industry can produce 2-3 aircraft per month. What are we going to fight with?
      1. +1
        25 November 2023 12: 40
        Aircraft of many types in the USSR were built in the thousands and tens of thousands. Until the end of the war the following were released (rounded):
        Il attack aircraft - 39 thousand,
        Yak fighters - 36 thousand,
        LaGG and La - 22 thousand,
        MiG-3 - 3 thousand,
        Pe-2 bombers - 11 thousand,
        DB-3 (IL-4) - 6,5 thousand,
        Tu-2 - 0,8 thousand.
        1. +1
          25 November 2023 12: 43
          Unfortunately, the Russian military-industrial complex has been destroyed. "The military-industrial complex is being restored" by such odious personalities as Medvedev, Borisov, Rogozin. Aviation production is headed by Serdyukov-Taburetkin. These are the figures with which Russia is preparing for war with NATO.
  4. Owl
    +3
    24 November 2023 15: 15
    No need to do nonsense. Instead of bringing dinosaurs to life, real products need to be developed and produced. If you need an attack UAV that has high survivability and carries a large combat load (NUR, self-guided missile, or self-guided drop ammunition), figure out how much this product will cost, how it will be able to take off and how it will be able to land after completing the task. Draw your own conclusions: it turns out that “Lancet”, “Geranium” and “Orion” are fulfilling their tasks; there are not enough small-sized kamikaze UAVs carrying more powerful cumulative fragmentation warheads.
  5. +6
    24 November 2023 15: 17
    Hmm... I wish the author to get less involved in non-scientific fiction.
  6. +6
    24 November 2023 15: 21
    Weapon of Victory: can SVO give a second life to unmanned Il-2 attack aircraft?

    They can’t revive the corn plant, and here’s IL-2!
  7. +5
    24 November 2023 15: 22
    About IL-2, Sergey, this is stupidity
  8. 0
    24 November 2023 17: 35
    I think doing what the Americans did with the F-18 Hornet would be smarter; the airframe was sound, so they increased its size by 25% and created the Super Hornet. I think you could easily thicken the Lancets in order to give them a bigger fuel tank and increase their range.
  9. +4
    24 November 2023 19: 27
    IL-2? Hmmm...! With such a “mental” attitude, a person will probably soon reach the eroplanes! The person needs to be saved! Give him a pyramidon! Let him calm down!


    In fact, the Politburo once had an idea... to develop combat aircraft that could be produced during WW3 after an exchange of nuclear strikes using the capabilities of a dilapidated industry! These are the so-called Grunin attack aircraft! Here are just a few of them!




    But it didn’t come to IL-2!
  10. DO
    +3
    24 November 2023 21: 46
    As far as I understand, the author’s main idea is to create attack drones that operate on targets deep behind enemy lines, located beyond the range of artillery, MLRS, and glide bombs dropped outside the kill zone of enemy air defense. The deep rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (hundreds of kilometers from the LBS) is accessible today only to tactical missiles and Geraniums.
    However, missiles are very expensive, and the enemy is gradually learning to shoot down slow-moving Geraniums more and more effectively. Both tactical missiles and today's Geraniums only work against stationary targets.
    That is, unmanned aircraft are required to deliver relatively cheap ammunition deep behind enemy lines, to work not only against stationary, but also against mobile ground targets.
    The IL-2 analogue, slow-moving and clearly visible on any radar, is easy prey for any modern air defense systems and MANPADS. Therefore, it is obvious that the author’s “IL-2” is nothing more than a journalistic device to excite numerous commentators.
    Since the carrier of the dropped ammunition cannot be small, it is in any case noticeable on radar. Therefore, the aircraft in question can overcome enemy air defense zones only by:
    - high supersonic speed and on a dynamic ceiling (slide maneuver); It is logical to arm such an aircraft mainly with adjustable glide bombs; additionally, anti-radar missiles; in the future, with the improvement of this drone, arm it with explosive missiles; perhaps it would be advisable to equip such an aircraft with an additional rocket booster to increase the dynamic ceiling; in the future, an automatic anti-missile maneuver would be useful;
    - flying at ultra-low altitudes with anti-aircraft maneuver and at high speed; It is logical to equip such an aircraft primarily with autonomous Lancets with folding wings; in the future, it is possible to arm it with simple bombs and NURS + corresponding aiming machines; additionally, arm it with anti-radar missiles.
    For a high-altitude, ultra-rear range drone, the most promising solution is the Su-75. From today's decisions, old fighters that are close to being written off, but with a fairly serviceable airframe, can be modernized.
    For a low-flying distant rear-area drone (long-range attack aircraft), among the promising solutions, the fastest solution was proposed in an earlier article by author Sergei Marzhetsky - purchasing JF-17 Thunder gliders from China (this is the development of MiG-21 solutions by Chinese engineers), and filling them with Russian filling . A longer-term solution is to modify the Yak-130 for one more powerful engine. From today's decisions, very old fighters - decommissioned, decommissioned, and hulls from the "graveyard" - can be modernized.
    1. 0
      25 November 2023 14: 48
      Everything is correct!!! 2 years to discuss the tactical and technical characteristics of the UAV, then another 3 years to prepare the technical specifications. 5-8 years for design work. 5-7 years for production preparation. 1-2-3 billion rubles have been spent. Oligarchs transferred tens of billions of dollars more to offshore companies. Great. Meanwhile, the soldiers are paying with their blood for the carelessness of the military-industrial complex. And at this time, people are dropping 100-200-1000 rubles to buy Chinese-made quadcopters for the army. With such “specialists” you don’t even need enemies, everything will fall apart and be destroyed..
  11. 0
    25 November 2023 01: 32
    The first thing to do in order to make the weapon of the CURRENT victory is to FORGET the weapon of the past. The use of the concepts attack aircraft and ground attack is an indicator of complete isolation from the evolution of military aviation over the past half century. The author, tell me in which countries besides Russia, whose aviation can be considered modern and whose experience can be referred to as reliable and time-tested, attack aircraft and front-line bombers have been preserved? Like the expressions attack and missile-bomb assault strike?
    1. +2
      25 November 2023 11: 40
      Do you immediately suggest switching to beam weapons?
      1. +1
        25 November 2023 14: 43
        No, I propose what everyone else is doing and not inventing new rakes (new attack aircraft and other nonsense) so as not to get hit in the face with them. The air defense coverage area should include only weapons (which are sufficient even now) and not carriers. And only after destruction they begin to work on ground targets with short- to medium-range weapons. Again, taking into account the fact that it is almost impossible to destroy mobile installations and MANPADS 100%. Therefore, there should not be weapons with a range of less than 5 km - therefore, all NARs and classic FABs are in the woods.
        Successful suppression of Ukrainian air defense is impossible without normal and, most importantly, operational intelligence data received in real time by aircraft located in the air defense zone. Which, in fact, is not happening because someone has not yet made the normal number of A-50 aircraft or Global Hawk-type UAVs, with the help of which Ukraine, not having its own fleet and modern aviation, has driven the Black Sea Fleet under the plinth, turning it into a laughing stock. For operations in the deep rear, there are already adequate tools that, in principle, cover the entire range of tasks: KR, Shahed, Dagger. Adding some kind of carriers, even unmanned ones, so that they launch something there is money down the drain. But what is really needed to support the operations of both manned aircraft and UAVs with CD are target simulators similar to the American MALD. Cheap products that open and overload air defenses, which even low-speed mopeds can destroy when discharged.
        The attack ended when planes were no longer made from plywood in hundreds a day, the minimum training of pilots began to take not 2 months, but several years, and the air defense received missiles and automatic guidance systems that made it possible to shoot down targets with a probability of up to 0,9. And all this has increased in price by an order of magnitude. Those who engage in such nonsense will either go down the drain or ruin their equipment and, most importantly, people, who will take much longer to train than to build a modern fighter. Therefore, I personally really want to throw the face of those who are still drowning for such things on the table.
    2. 0
      30 November 2023 12: 27
      And what country, besides Russia, has experience in conducting high-intensity combat operations against an approximately equal enemy?
      What, in the time since WW2, infantry began to move at sound speed on the ground or tanks rush at 150 km/h?
      Observing the current military operations, we can conclude that tanks have lost a significant part of their effectiveness, and everything else on the battlefield works, plus or minus, the same as it did 80 years ago.
      The modern jet fighter-interceptor was created to counter similar enemy aircraft.
      When enemy aircraft are knocked out, there is no point in driving expensive high-speed aircraft; there is a reason to simultaneously release hundreds, thousands of cheap rotary-wing aircraft into the sky, which are assigned targets by a couple of A50s and satellites.
      And what will the enemy be able to oppose to such an armada? The missiles will quickly run out, and the Shilka-Tunguska-Irises, which have illuminated themselves, will bombard the approaching waves of plywood attack aircraft.
      Let’s say 500 of them took off, the rapid-fire gunners shot down 200 cars, maybe 300, but the price of this downed plywood would be a concretely ironed front.
      During the Second World War, the number of killed pilots was approximately equal to the number of downed vehicles, and now, if all this is in FPV format, and even more so, if it also has AI on board, then the loss of so many cheap attack aircraft is recouped many times over by the saved Su-34s.
  12. 0
    25 November 2023 03: 26
    Can we expect an article about the need to produce the T-34?
    Another "fantasies".
    1. 0
      30 November 2023 12: 34
      Imagine that you are a crest in a trench. You only have an old AK and a couple of grenades with you. Now the enemy is rolling out a T-34, and what are you going to do?
      No, the T-62 is unlikely to survive against a T-34 or a javelin, but for shooting at poorly protected targets, for supporting infantry, and for shooting from closed positions, it is better than nothing.
      It can completely dismantle a barn with militants, no worse than a modern tank.
      If you look at it this way, then modern tanks are also not used for wall-to-wall battles like at Prokhorovka.
      And if there is no difference, then what difference does it make?
      Ask any fighter what is better, T-34 support or no support at all, and I think I can guess what he will answer.
  13. +1
    25 November 2023 05: 22
    A topic for reflection is proposed on what can be used for combat operations in conditions of air superiority. Obviously, the airspace should be saturated with devices that win the economic competition against defensive means. The IL-2 is well protected against small arms fire, but will it be cheaper than a missile, that is the question.
  14. -1
    25 November 2023 10: 28
    And then there are geese.
    1. +1
      25 November 2023 11: 38
      Better than the Siberian Crane. We already have technology for managing Siberian Crane flocks
      1. 0
        3 December 2023 21: 37
        I wrote with sarcasm))).
  15. +1
    25 November 2023 11: 37
    Where can I get piston engines? And even more powerful? Our competence in the production of piston aircraft engines has been irretrievably lost. This is the main problem we have with large drones
  16. -1
    25 November 2023 11: 43
    Well, this is outright nonsense. The author was able to surprise me.
    It is proposed to develop and master new airplane. In our conditions - for many years.
    There is no engine. It is unknown whether there are drawings of the aircraft itself. But there is definitely no technological chain that existed then.
    The author's idea of ​​the aircraft design is very strange.

    Note that this is the performance characteristics of an aircraft built on technologies and components from the middle of the last century, designed for two crew members who are protected from anti-aircraft fire from the ground by an armored capsule.

    I would not like to upset the author, but protecting two crew members with an armored capsule is about the Su 25.
    The trick of this aircraft (IL 2) is that the armor is used in the load-bearing structures of the aircraft. Two thirds of the fuselage (front and middle parts) have an armored body. The know-how of our metallurgists (which at that time had no analogues in the world) was used - double curvature armor. Appeared shortly before the war. And it was on Il 2 that the second crew member was not protected by an armored hull due to the specific history of the aircraft. It began to be created as a two-seater. Then the military intervened and demanded that it be made without a shooter, for the sake of additional load. Ilyushin refused, but the military got Stalin involved. After the start of the fighting, it became clear that we could not do without a shooter. At this point Stalin himself called Ilyushin and asked him to return the shooter. But it turned out to be handicraft. The shooter found himself with almost no armor protection, and in the summer even without cockpit glazing. The aircraft was finally brought to life only in the Il 10 version, which reached the front in April 1945. That is, the author should talk about IL 10, not IL 2.
    Now, in the conditions of the Northern Military District, factories take either old armored vehicles from conservation or damaged ones from the battlefield and bring them to mind. They change everything, often only the box remains. If there is a relatively intact case, it is considered that the game is worth the candle. Nobody considers an armored hull to be a cheap piece of junk.
    And in IL 2 the armored hull is the front and middle parts of the fuselage. Double curvature armor is not the cheapest thing. This reservation system was no longer used. The development of such technology costs billions, and not rubles. And years of time.
    In this case, the aircraft is either manned or unmanned. No options.
    That is, the author suggests developing from scratch two the plane.
    For ease of understanding, the author proposes to develop a T 44 or T 54 type tank from scratch (replacing the equipment with more modern ones) and master its production.
    Moreover, this plane is all-metal, an excellent target for radars. Low speed. Low maneuverability. According to pilots' reviews, it's an iron.
    Average lifespan is 26 combat missions. Because this armor is easily penetrated by a 30 mm or even 20 mm cannon. Above the LBS, any MANPADS will tear off the tail or wing. He will be shot down by the Tunguska or the German Cheetah.
    In the unmanned version, it is completely defenseless. It can be easily shot down by the L 29. In the manned version, any plane or helicopter can be shot down by the cheapest missile.
  17. 0
    25 November 2023 20: 20
    Oh yes Marzhetsky, oh yes...
    Well, I re-read the comments, well done.
    Once again he repeats my words, and again he will yell that I don’t understand anything.

    During the Second World War, fighters were made from plywood and fiberglass. Cheap and angry. Nothing prevents even now to stick tens of thousands of conditional La-5 / IL-2 on radio control, on which you can hang tens, or even hundreds of kg of payload, and fill all of Ukraine with this plywood stuff in an even layer.
    I don’t understand at all why the propeller-driven aircraft of the Second World War are forgotten. If their fuselages are made of composite, then they are almost invisible to radars, I think. Especially if they go at low level.
    Ground attack by unmanned remote-controlled IL-2 can greatly spoil the mood of the enemy.

    https://topcor.ru/34364-nuzhny-li-rossii-fanernye-planirujuschie-aviabomby.html#comment-id-336596
    1. -2
      26 November 2023 05: 25
      During WWII, fighter planes were made from plywood and fiberglass. Cheap and cheerful.

      The key word is cheap. It was under the anti-Semitic Stalin that plywood was inexpensive. Now no one will sell it to you for cheap, they will sell it to the Chinese, but not to you, like oil and gas. Therefore, there is only one thing left - to create a fund to buy IL2 in China.
  18. +1
    26 November 2023 03: 57
    the concept is cheap and widely applicable to many other things, such as air defense. Various radars on wheeled trailers, various launchers are also simply on trailers, which allows for various configurations, large and small, but more importantly, this is a factor that is difficult to calculate, and this in turn affects decisions. When the air defense is entirely made up of expensive and complex machines, where the radar, crew and missiles are all together or even separately, but still piecemeal and expensive equipment - such air defense is easy to run through various scenarios and find the key or at least a strategy, because quantity is limited. After knocking out these expensive and irreplaceable air defense assets along with trained crews, further buildup of air force strikes can occur quickly and with minimal risk. And the result can be calculated in advance. Only the uncertainty and survivability of air defense makes the sky always dangerous and limits the enemy.

    Ideally, air defense is a small container and a mass of radars on trailers, launchers on trailers, decoy emitters and mock-ups. The container is connected even by untrained personnel to radars and launchers on various scales, from ambush to covering an area, and the AI ​​in the container decides and does everything itself. Just have time to reload and redeploy.

    The same thing with fighters. In addition to high-tech, there are a lot of light, unmanned, extremely stealthy (speed, maneuverability are not needed) platforms with AI, taking off from the roads and using the logistics system of ground commands. The fighter took off here, but already knows approximately where it should land, where the other team is already preparing beacons for landing, refueling, missiles and the flight mission. He quickly sat down, just like at an F1 pit stop, and flew on.

    There may even be very cheap options with outdated radars and missiles, for example, for a surprise encounter at short distances (if the stealth of the airframe allows), which could happen if the AI ​​turns on the radar rarely just for this purpose or has passive search tools at short and medium distances .

    There may simply be radar copters powered through a cable from a generator on the ground. It hangs, lower, higher, on and off, and looks at the sky. It is extremely difficult to destroy.
    The West will have many expensive fighter UAVs and of course such high-tech ones are also needed. But the massive scale and cheapness of both air defense and fighters as an addition will not allow the enemy to quickly consider the sky theirs, and such a war will not last long anyway.

    Although, of course, thousands of drones for various purposes will arrive, controlled by AI at all levels, and the defeat will occur almost in real time from the moment of detection. Therefore, in order to be sure, we need to do something with space... and so that
  19. +2
    26 November 2023 08: 13
    Americans and Chinese have been converting old planes into UAVs for a long time.
    We should also learn this from them.
    Regarding IL-2. The question is: how many surviving Il-2s do we have left, and is it possible to restore the production of engines for this aircraft, and does it make sense to restore the aircraft itself. I believe that we have a waste of not only tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, but also aircraft, primarily jets. Therefore, it may be easier to take more modern aircraft out of stock, for example, MIG-15,17,19, etc., SU-7,9,11,15, etc. Moreover, the wood on the IL-2 should have long ago turned into dust in the sludge...
    1. 0
      26 November 2023 12: 59
      Yes, it’s not important to restore the IL-2. The very idea of ​​propeller-driven internal combustion engine aircraft, which are much cheaper than jet aircraft, are easier to mass-produce, and fly much further than small UAVs, is fundamental.
      In fact, it will be the same FPV drone, but with a much more expanded potential of missiles, guns and bombs.
      If it is equipped with the same AI from the Lancet, with take-off and landing enhanced, this will greatly complicate the life of Russia’s opponents.
      It is quite possible that even a shot from an Igla/Stinger will cost more than such an aircraft. Especially with its mass production.
      1. 0
        29 November 2023 16: 59
        Yes, it’s not important to restore the IL-2. The very idea of ​​propeller-driven internal combustion engine aircraft, which are much cheaper than jet aircraft, are easier to mass-produce, and fly much further than small UAVs, is fundamental.

        It depends on who it is easier and cheaper. It’s not easy for ours, judging by the corn plant.
    2. 0
      26 November 2023 13: 07
      And yes, regarding the restoration of engine production. Don't think that this is something super complicated.
      Casting, milling, turning, assembly. It doesn’t require any super-expensive equipment, workshops for tens of thousands of workers, or the labor feat of the entire country.
      A workshop the size of a barn, well, a couple of barns, will be able to produce 2-5 motors per day at a minimum, I believe.
      Easily scalable. A plant the size of a backyard football field will easily produce 50 pieces a day, I believe. There would be a desire.
  20. 0
    26 November 2023 20: 45
    Auto RU. Let's fantasize. Let us set ourselves the goal of destroying objects with missiles and guided glide bombs in the rear, at a distance of 1500 km from the territory of the Russian Federation. We use a modernized Mig-31 or a newly released one. The Mig-31 strikes from a height of 30 km. To reach such altitudes, the MiG-31 is accelerated by a rocket accelerator, which is then fired and lowered by parachute, then the MiG-31 flies on its engines. Experts can tell what the probability is of shooting down a MiG-31 at an altitude of 30 km and a speed of 2500 km/h, as well as what missiles and bombs it can carry..
    1. 0
      30 November 2023 12: 42
      The task is “destruction of objects” or “destruction of objects with missiles and guided bombs”? This time.
      How many plywood airplanes without pilots can be built for the price of one Mig-31 with full fuel tanks? That's two. The plywood monoplane itself can be used as a guided missile, that’s three.
      Your task in your commentary is to justify the use of the Mig-31 and to disqualify the conditional Il-2, and not to destroy the targets.
      How many targets will the MiG-31 cover in one flight and how many will be covered by a squadron of plywood armed with guns, bombs, missiles, and even guided missiles?
      Subject to weak air defense, of course.
      But with strong air defense, as we can recall recent events, manned jet aircraft usually sit on the sidelines.
  21. +1
    29 November 2023 13: 24
    Let's take a look at the Farmans right away; they performed well in 1914. You can also use collective farm binders
    1. 0
      30 November 2023 12: 43
      Everything that can destroy the enemy is used. Google "Babu Yaga".
  22. 0
    12 December 2023 01: 41
    Brazil mass-produces Tucanos and sells them to everyone. Sort of like a “modern IL2”. Good in the jungle against an enemy armed with an Ak47. It is unlikely that it will last more than 5-10 minutes in the air defense zone
  23. 0
    5 January 2024 15: 47
    The saddest thing is that in our climate there are no conditions for storing equipment, so I was taught that if aircraft equipment costs 20 years and does not fly, then it is written off...
    My opinion is that you can make a UAV from wood, plywood and percale, and this can be done anywhere and it’s time to think and work, you can develop your own cheap project based on geranium, the most expensive thing is the internal combustion engine and the guidance system, i.e. the price of the drone can be no more than a million rubles!
    Only mass production and cheapness will save us from NATO!