Su-75 or MiG-35: which aircraft does the Russian Aerospace Forces need in the light weight category?

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The day before it became known that the Rostec state corporation had begun preparations for the production of the promising fifth-generation light fighter Su-75. Foreign customers are still considered as buyers for Checkmate. But will this aircraft be in demand in the Russian Aerospace Forces?

Checkmate


To answer this question, we need to figure out what kind of fighters we need. Russia was preparing for one war - with the NATO bloc in general and the United States in particular, but in reality it received a completely different one. Instead of a fleeting conflict aimed at escalating to de-escalating, up to the use of tactical nuclear weapons, in Ukraine the Russian Armed Forces were faced with a very difficult, bloody positional war to deplete resources, the degree of which is increasing gradually but steadily.



Suddenly it turned out that due to the oversaturation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with air defense systems of various types, Russian army and front-line aviation cannot operate freely in the skies over Square. At the first stage of the Northern Military District, it was necessary to bomb enemy positions from low altitudes with “cast iron”, incurring corresponding inevitable losses in technology and pilots. The appearance of gliding bombs with gliding correction modules was a salvation, but it turned out that there are not as many aircraft and, most importantly, trained pilots for them as we would like, and there are not enough for all directions at once on the huge line of combat contact (LBC), where The Ukrainian Armed Forces are conducting continuous attacks.

In the foreseeable future, the Russian Aerospace Forces in the skies over Ukraine will first have to face American light fighters of the fourth generation F-16, and then Kyiv will begin to receive Swedish, French and European aircraft. It is quite possible that NATO “vacationers” under the guise of volunteers or real mercenaries will be at the controls. In other words, it will no longer be so easy to take Ukrainian aviation out of one gate. Moreover, in the medium term there is a possibility that the Baltic states, Poland and even Finland will be drawn into the conflict with Russia.

And what do you do?

In our harsh realities, the introduction of the Su-75 into service with the Russian Aerospace Forces seems to be the optimal solution. The Checkmate, like its older brother the Su-57, has stealth characteristics on radar, which is extremely important in the conditions of an air war in the skies over Ukraine, which are all illuminated by NATO radars. In this case, the aircraft can be either manned, with one or two crew members, or unmanned. The latter is extremely important when operating against the Ukrainian Armed Forces armed with the most modern air defense systems.

A light stealth fighter in an unmanned version could be used as a carrier for heavy aerial bombs with planning correction modules, which would solve the problem with trained personnel. Using one engine instead of two will significantly reduce the cost of production and subsequent maintenance of the Su-75, which could become truly widespread, unlike the heavy twin-engine Su-57. You can get an idea of ​​how many aircraft of this type are needed as part of the Russian Aerospace Forces from interview Major General, Honored Military Pilot of the Russian Federation, Candidate of Technical Sciences Vladimir Popov to NEWS.ru:

Offhand, I would say that our aviation may need from 200–300 to 500 units. It all depends on what trends there will be in the world. In addition, with proper work with interested states, it will be possible to supply this aircraft to the world market - also within the same quantity. So he has prospects.

There is only one problem - there really is no plane yet. It’s the end of 2023, the main combat operations in Ukraine will take place in 2024-2025, and the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade and Deputy Prime Minister Manturov suggested that the first samples of the fighter will appear only in 2025. When is it really worth waiting for the Su-75 in commercial quantities, Major General Popov summarized as follows:

In 2025, this will be the first option, which still needs to be further refined after the first flights, to clarify something, because the production process of such an aircraft is very complex. This new direction in the development of Russian combat aviation will be under the brand of fifth generation. What is important here are stealth, a high degree of combat effectiveness, and a degree of maneuverability, which should be at least the same, and ideally exceed the maneuverability of modern 4++ generation fighters. Therefore, it’s too early to say gop until you jump over. My forecast is that we will have a fully production car in at least 8-10 years.

And this is very similar to the truth. However, the need for a light fighter has not been canceled. What to do?

"Almost fifth"


So far, the main “workhorse” of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the light/welterweight weight category is the outdated twin-engine MiG-29 fighter of various modifications. As a replacement, the MiG-35 was created, representing its deep modernization, which inherited key characteristics: low cost of operation, unpretentiousness and the ability to land on unpaved strips.

The Russian fighter is designed to gain air superiority and deliver effective strikes with high-precision weapons against ground and surface targets from outside the enemy’s air defense zone and belongs to the 4++ generation. It is possible to create a deck version of the aircraft for Admiral Kuznetsov or for export to India. The general director of the Russian aircraft manufacturing corporation MiG, Ilya Tarasenko, described the advantages of the MiG-35 as follows:

The first is efficiency; it is cheaper to operate than the machines of our competitors. The second is technical capabilities, such as locator and stealth. Third is the cost of the aircraft itself.

What is even more important is the presence of two aircraft manufacturing plants at once that can put the Mig-35 on the assembly line, and the entire necessary component base. “Thirty-fifth” does not depend on the engine, which is installed on the entire family of “dryers”, and therefore has objective limitations on production volumes.

Unfortunately, due to hardware games, this aircraft did not go into production; only six of it were produced in single-seat and double-seat (combat training) modifications “C” and “UB”. Nevertheless, in the realities of the Northern Military District, it is the MiG-35 that could become the real “workhorse” of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the light/welterweight weight category, while the fifth generation Su-75 is being “finished.” You have everything you need for this, all you have to do is make a decision.
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  1. -6
    14 November 2023 11: 33
    A strange search for an alternative by the author. SU 75 will not be available very soon, if at all. It’s not for nothing that the MIG 35 is apparently ignored by the Ministry of Defense. And this is not a light fighter. Its basis is the MIG 29, in all conflicts it did not win a single air battle with 4th generation opponents (Iraq, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia). Therefore, Sukhoi’s heavy gliders are our reality, and a good reality at that.
    1. +13
      14 November 2023 11: 41
      It’s not for nothing that the MIG 35 is apparently ignored by the Ministry of Defense.

      Apparently? Is this the argument? request Is this the Ministry of Defense that knowingly ignored gliding bombs and UAVs?

      Its basis is the MIG 29, in all conflicts it did not win a single air battle with 4th generation opponents (Iraq, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia).

      The depth of modernization is being deliberately ignored, apparently? smile
    2. +7
      14 November 2023 11: 45
      won not a single air battle with opponents

      There were extremely unequal conditions - one, or at most a couple of MiGs of the old export modification, without any escort or target designation from the ground, against several NATO ones, receiving complete information about the situation in the air in real time.
    3. +4
      14 November 2023 12: 37
      Quote: Come in large numbers
      A strange search for an alternative by the author. SU 75 will not be available very soon, if at all. It’s not for nothing that the MIG 35 is apparently ignored by the Ministry of Defense. And this is not a light fighter. Its basis is the MIG 29, in all conflicts it did not win a single air battle with 4th generation opponents (Iraq, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia). Therefore, Sukhoi’s heavy gliders are our reality, and a good reality at that.

      How is it not light? The weight of an empty Mig-35 is almost the same as that of an empty F-16, namely 11 tons. F-16 light fighter of the 4th generation.

      The performance characteristics of the MiG-35
      MiG-35 crew

      - 1 or (2 people in MiG-35D)

      Dimensions of MiG-35

      - Length: 17,32 m
      - Wingspan: 12 m
      - Wing area: approx. 40 m²
      - Height: 4,73 m

      MiG-35 weight

      - empty weight: 11000 kg
      - normal take-off weight: 17500 kg
      - maximum take-off weight: 29700 kg

      MiG-35 engine

      - Engine type: Turbojet dual-circuit with afterburner
      - Model: RD-33MK or its modification with UVT
      - Maximum Thrust: 2 × 9000 kgf

      Speed ​​of MiG-35

      - Maximum speed at an altitude of 2560 km/h; at the ground: 1450 km/h

      Service ceiling of the MiG-35

      - 17500 m

      Range of action with normal combat load of the MiG-35

      - 1000 km


      Flight range without refueling MiG-35

      - with PTB 3500 km

      Maximum overload of MiG-35

      +10 G

      Armament MiG-35
      - Cannon: 30 mm aircraft gun GSh-30-1
      - Nodes of suspension weapons: 9
      - Weight of suspended weapons: 6 t
      - Suspended weapons: all types of guided and unguided air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions.

      https://dzen.ru/a/XeegWF1sS9wLpnWH

      Compare the empty weight of the Mig-35 and the empty weight of the F-16.

    4. 0
      17 November 2023 14: 49
      Interesting lack of logic in judgments. Thank you, it made me smile.))))
      I wanted to answer you, but everything was already written before me and everything is correct. Learn the tablets.
  2. 0
    14 November 2023 11: 43
    Light stealth fighter in unmanned version

    That is, it is proposed to use a device that is not cheap, full of electronics and with an expensive engine, actually as a disposable UAV??? On which you can actually hang the same gliding bombs, and it will cost much less..
    1. +2
      14 November 2023 12: 57
      Why as a disposable one? The S-70B Okhotnik is also not a disposable UAV, but its developments will form the basis of the unmanned Su-75.
    2. DO
      0
      14 November 2023 13: 19
      Paul,

      is it proposed to use a damn cheap device, packed with electronics and with an expensive engine, actually as a disposable UAV??? On which you can actually hang the same gliding bombs

      Why disposable? In today's air defense, fighters are effective precisely as carriers of glide bombs dropped outside the enemy's air defense zone. And the unmanned Su-75 can handle this task quite well, and to begin with, with the simplest algorithm of a predetermined fixed route. The absence of a pilot is a minus of the life support system, which will reduce the cost of the aircraft and increase its carrying capacity, minus the expensive training of the pilot. This is also a solution to the problem of the lack of trained pilots.
  3. -1
    14 November 2023 11: 47
    The term "lightweight" is meaningless if it does not coincide with the concept of "lightweight". If a light fighter, having fewer capabilities than a heavier one, is quite comparable to it in terms of purchase and operation costs (the article says that MiGs are cheaper to operate, but other materials on this topic call this thesis into question), then what is the point? ?
    And the argument with an engine different from the Su family as an advantage casts doubt on the sanity of the author - when did this zoo in the range of spare parts and components begin to be considered an advantage? Is it an advantage to have several engine lines instead of increasing production of one model? You should be imprisoned for this, as if it were open lobbying at public expense. Here, one engine would be brought to mind, increasing the service life, the overhaul interval, and not create more entities.
  4. +2
    14 November 2023 11: 59
    Quote: UAZ 452
    And the argument with an engine different from the Su family as an advantage casts doubt on the sanity of the author - when did this zoo in the range of spare parts and components begin to be considered an advantage? Is it an advantage to have several engine lines instead of increasing production of one model? You should be imprisoned for this, as if it were open lobbying at public expense. Here, one engine would be brought to mind, increasing the service life, the overhaul interval, and not create more entities.

    Exactly! I wish I could put this car guy in prison. And also these “stupid scoops” who came up with the idea of ​​forcing various design schools to compete with each other!
    1. +4
      14 November 2023 12: 32
      We are developing a range of weapons (often of the same type), comparable in quantity to all NATO countries combined. If competition had certainly been converted into truly combat-ready production vehicles, then we would now have a very different army, showing very different results during the SVO. In the meantime, for example, we have a whole brood of different types of infantry fighting vehicles at parades and exhibitions, and at best, BMP-3, or even BMP-1 on the battlefield. Is there not enough competition? Do you need to distribute a dozen more orders for R&D?
      1. +2
        14 November 2023 21: 56
        There is no special brood for BMP, because essentially there is BMP-1/2 - which is actually the same thing, with different additions (mainly for combat modules) of varying degrees of handicraft; and “3shka” is the only new thing that is objectively better in almost all respects, except for landing troops, i.e. this cannot be considered duplication. The same is true for aircraft - Su-30/35 + Su-34, also from the same manufacturer with a bunch of common spare parts and, most importantly, engines - this is the 4th generation + a high-quality 5P additive in the form of the Su-57. There are no analogues of the Mig-35 in the army now. Another question is whether additional ones are really needed. airplanes and aren’t they limited by a lack of trained pilots?
        What I’m saying is that there is no need to be afraid of diversity as such, if it reasonably ensures the diversity of tactical and operational tasks; one should be afraid of duplication of the same functions. And even then - if it comes down to quantity, then the production of analogues from different manufacturers is in order, if one does not have the opportunity to seriously increase production (and in a crisis situation, most often there is no such opportunity)
        1. 0
          19 November 2023 11: 02
          There is no special brood for BMP

          I was talking about many years of research that only led to the appearance of exhibition and ceremonial copies of R&D, and not about those that reached the series, and this is the T-15 from the Armata line, and the Boomerang, and the Kurganets. And if you include all armored vehicles except tanks, then the list of names alone doesn’t add up to dozens. Well, on the battlefield, in “commercial” quantities, it’s true that it’s mostly slightly fake Soviet equipment, and this is against the backdrop of more than ten years of chatter about 70% of new weapons, trillions of dollars in investments in the military-industrial complex and other simulacra that exist for the most part exclusively in media space.
  5. +4
    14 November 2023 13: 02
    It’s like comparing: What is more needed by the Russian Aerospace Forces - a space rebel fighter or a star empire fighter?
    Still, there is neither one nor the other.
    The promoted checkmate was left without money and orders for the development of both the RF Armed Forces and foreign countries.
    And the Mig 35 has been developed, but is too expensive (they wrote) - almost like the SU35, but clearly weaker in terms of performance characteristics.
    In general, once again they drag in a topic that has been covered 500 times
    1. 0
      14 November 2023 13: 45
      And the Mig 35 has been developed, but is too expensive (they wrote) - almost like the SU35, but clearly weaker in terms of performance characteristics.
      In general, once again they drag in a topic that has been covered 500 times

      They write differently.

      Still, there is neither one nor the other.

      There is another one.
  6. DO
    +1
    14 November 2023 13: 30
    Su-75 or MiG-35: which aircraft does the Russian Aerospace Forces need?

    Both are needed.
    The Su-75 is needed primarily as a carrier of glide bombs, the unmanned version of which is quite sufficient for this simple task.
    The MiG-35, ready for mass production, is needed as a manned light fighter for a wide range of missions. Considering that drones are able to handle most simple combat missions, perhaps the two-seat version of the MiG-35 is relevant as an airborne operational control point for these drones.
  7. +1
    14 November 2023 13: 44
    Quote: UAZ 452
    We are developing a range of weapons (often of the same type), comparable in quantity to all NATO countries combined. If competition had certainly been converted into truly combat-ready production vehicles, then we would now have a very different army, showing very different results during the SVO. In the meantime, for example, we have a whole brood of different types of infantry fighting vehicles at parades and exhibitions, and at best, BMP-3, or even BMP-1 on the battlefield. Is there not enough competition? Do you need to distribute a dozen more orders for R&D?

    This is all demagoguery. hi The plane already exists, all R&D has ALREADY been carried out, there are ALREADY production capacities, free by the way, and a component base. And there is a need for it.
  8. +1
    14 November 2023 14: 00
    most likely nothing will happen, the Su-75 will be cut for another 10-15 years, and the Mig-35 is already yesterday, there is no point in reviving it, so the Su35, 30, 34 will fight
    1. +3
      14 November 2023 14: 05
      mig-35 is already yesterday, there is no point in reviving it

      But why yesterday? 4++ is just today. We have the absolute majority of aircraft of this generation. Just like potential opponents.
      The Su-57 will be in limited production, the Su-75 is generally in question.
      1. +1
        14 November 2023 17: 36
        Quote: Beydodyr
        mig-35 is already yesterday, there is no point in reviving it

        But why yesterday? 4++ is just today. We have the absolute majority of aircraft of this generation. Just like potential opponents.
        The Su-57 will be in limited production, the Su-75 is generally in question.

        yesterday in the sense that raising virtually everything from scratch, and the Su-35 is already in series, so it is necessary to cut the Su-75, the only question is how long, modern Russia is not the USSR, now the main benefit is not the state interest
  9. 1_2
    -3
    14 November 2023 14: 55
    mig35 can be effective against stealth if it is equipped with a powerful su35,57 radar (in the future, install ROFAR). in this case it will be able to detect f35.f22. If you don't equip him he will be a blind puppy. The Yankees plan to attack in the future with their small stealth UAVs (carrying 2 Amram120 missiles). it will be very difficult to detect them. and there will be many of them. UAVs will go ahead. The UAV missiles will be guided by F35,22, which will fly behind at a considerable distance from the UAV, 100-200 km. so that they are not reached by the medium missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces fighters. f35 acts as a mini AWACS-drolo, in order to reach it and blind its numerous winged UAVs, mig35 needs an R-37 (K-37) missile with a range of 300 km (400?), and a powerful radar. Migu35 will not be allowed into close combat, the mini UAV in conjunction with the F35 will be destroyed. Only the stealthy su75 can reach close combat, which will be difficult to detect for f35(22). it turns out that Mig35 (with Su35 radar and R-37 missiles) can only be used for long-range combat. mig35 has more hardpoints, unlike su75, and can use (in the front hemisphere) its close-range missiles for self-defense (it shoots down incoming missiles attacking it)
  10. +4
    14 November 2023 15: 29
    Similar texts are published time after time... Where is the Mig-35? I just want to answer in rhyme.... I’m just tired of going on and on about the same thing. It has long been clear who is to blame, that nothing will happen to them for this. That there won't be a plane either. Despite the fact that it is really good in avionics and new versions of smokeless engines and the service life has been increased and the cost of maintenance has been reduced and unpaved airfields are accessible and much more... But time is lost. Yes, we collected one final copy, but the series is different. This is mass production of absolutely all thousands of parts/systems that make up the aircraft. Are engines and radars already in series? Something tells me that it is not and is not expected. And the fact that there are workshops where they can be assembled means they are not ready for production. Moreover, there are also no specialists there in the required quantities, and migrant workers cannot be involved in this matter. Plus, the release of this aircraft again/again will throw all logistics into disarray. And Russia is not the USSR, which did not count money, well, almost. The necessary people cannot sit without profit. The guarantor guaranteed. So it turns out that you want it and inject it. It is more promising and more logical to launch the Su-75 into the series, which is maximally unified in terms of avionics with the Su-57 and on the same engines. In fact, everything is already there - the cockpit and life support equipment has been worked out on the Su-57, take it and put it on. The radar is the same only with a reduced number of modules. Additional radar modules do not need to be installed if there is a need for the lowest possible price. Well, all that remains is the engine. I hope they will finish it in a couple of years. The result is savings both in production and maintenance, as well as in the convenience of supply and unified pilot training programs.
    1. +1
      14 November 2023 21: 16
      This is of course healthy, but it’s still bad that our MiGs with their capabilities were destroyed! We would have twice as many planes now, or in the near future.
  11. -4
    14 November 2023 15: 35
    The MiG-35 is too noticeable for radar and in the infrared spectrum (especially due to the engines), and therefore will lose in fights with other aircraft. Therefore it is not needed. We need a stealthy Su-75. This is an imperative.
    1. 0
      14 November 2023 21: 17
      No violinist needed. And then, as a result, it came in handy and how!
  12. +5
    14 November 2023 16: 19
    How can you even talk about the Su-75 if it’s still a bedtime story?! It’s just cheap to show off at the salon at the beginning of a special operation, they say we are working and developing! These discussions about the mythical Su-75 are simply ridiculous and pounding water.
    What year is it 25?! Well, maybe, if they really really decide to do it, which is still a big question now, then only in 25, God willing, they will make the drawings! And then prototypes will be tested for another 10-15 years.
    1. -3
      14 November 2023 21: 55
      Where did you get the idea that it's a fairy tale? Technically, ALL systems are present and implemented on the Su-57. The only thing that needs to be done is a new airframe for one engine. Plus an increase in the production of all systems, which does not look like something super natural. Which will have a positive effect on reducing the final cost of both cars. I think that the airframe was already in the drawings during this time. So it’s quite possible to see a flying prototype in 2025 or even at the end of 2024. Unless you check again how good the rubber industry is for cats.
      1. -2
        15 November 2023 12: 10
        UPD: For storytellers. Please refute the information that the “fairy tale”, or rather all the necessary technical documentation, was handed over for assembly.
      2. +1
        15 November 2023 12: 48
        Because I know my native country and our bureaucracy. There have already been a million projects like this and what the hell have they done.
        The main thing for them is to show off, and at least the grass won’t grow there! We don’t live under the USSR, when in the beginning they did it, and then they boasted, if they boasted at all.
        This demonstration with the Su-75 is blatant window dressing. Shit, in 5 years, when it will be necessary to report, these applicants and responsible ministers will not be in these positions, and they will not be responsible for this.
        At first, it will be customary to shift the deadlines to the right, then the relevance of the aircraft will be lost, and later its practical and economic feasibility will be lost.
        And who said that the Su-75 is a Su-57 with one engine? This is all idle speculation. They themselves do not know this and no one has stated it.
        And a new airframe in combination with one engine is not an addition to existing developments, but the most important and complex thing, from which they dance. And they will design it for at least a couple of years, and then they will test and polish it for at least 5-7 years.
        And will the radar from the Su-57 be squeezed into the new fuselage, will they develop a new one, and even more so, how and how much of the weapons they will be able to place in this narrow airframe.
        And this is just the main thing, not counting other “little things”. And you can’t do all this in a couple of years, especially when you haven’t even started yet!
        1. +1
          15 November 2023 13: 13
          Quote: Twice-born
          There have already been a million projects like this and what the hell have they done.

          where there was an understanding of what and why, they did it there, even though the same mace did not fly right away.
          But 6 Boreans are already the basis of the Russian underwater component of the triad (7 is completing tests).
          1. 0
            15 November 2023 19: 02
            You should not take into account only military projects, although there is a lot of undone there too. In our country we have not only defense, but also civilian projects and the promised, which are closer directly to the people. I myself, and I think every Russian, have observed not a single such unrealized project! Here there are more than one million promised, advertised and fucked up!
        2. -1
          15 November 2023 15: 46
          It’s clear, you are a complete alternative to turbopatriots - you whine always and everywhere))) I’m not, in general, a pessimist who looks at things realistically. But you ignore all the facts for the sake of whining, and you try to distort those that you can’t ignore)))
          Yes, there are a lot of unsuccessful projects, but there are also successful projects. And if we start from reality. That's the reality. Sukhoi knows how to make airplanes. Examples are right before your eyes.
          The Su-57 has already been made and is being mass-produced (it’s a pity it’s small-scale) So why are they scared that they won’t be able to make another plane, and a simplified one at that?

          Quote: Twice-born
          And who said that the Su-75 is a Su-57 with one engine? This is all idle speculation. They themselves do not know this and no one has stated it.

          Excuse me... how would I put it censoriously... did you stick a fork in your eyes? Or are official statements along with photos and video materials just idle speculation for you?

          Quote: Twice-born
          And a new airframe in combination with one engine is not an addition to existing developments, but the most important and complex thing, from which they dance. And it will take at least a couple of years to design

          Firstly: a glider is the lightest thing that can be in an airplane, for general development. The filling is much more complicated. Secondly, how much time has passed since the presentation of the project?

          Quote: Twice-born
          And will the radar from the Su-57 be squeezed into the new fuselage, will they develop a new one,

          Those. Don’t you know that the number of PPM can change, as well as the dimensions of the canvas? Assembling a canvas of smaller sizes is simply an impossible task.

          Quote: Twice-born
          and even more so, how and how much of the weapons will be able to be placed in this narrow airframe. And this is just the main thing, not counting other “little things”

          You won’t believe it, but the standard load for almost any mission is 2-4 missiles when patrolling purely in the air and 2 missiles + 2 Abs when doing a mixed profile. There will definitely be a place for them. And if the project is already ready for assembly, then the problem has been solved.

          Quote: Twice-born
          And this is just the main thing, not counting other “little things”. And you can’t do all this in a couple of years, especially when you haven’t even started yet!

          Your little things are solely your fantasies, as a person who is simply not familiar with the basic knowledge of aviation, who does not read anything at all, not even the news. But having a very great desire to whine. It’s not me who likes to whine about the fact that the same Su-34 is a complete crap... But at least I can substantiate my point of view with specific facts. In the case of the Su-75, I see no reason why the first samples cannot be assembled by 2025 and sent for testing.
  13. +2
    14 November 2023 17: 44
    I'm in favor of the MiG-35M, and it already exists!
  14. +1
    14 November 2023 22: 31
    Su-75 or MiG-35: which aircraft does the Russian Aerospace Forces need in the light weight category?

    I don’t know which one, Mr. Marzhetsky, but the light plane is the Grippen.

    But the twin-engine Mig-35 weighing 25 tons is not.
    Su-75 probably yes. These are the kind of fighters Russia needs.
  15. 0
    14 November 2023 22: 45
    Quote: DO
    The absence of a pilot is a minus of the life support system, which will reduce the cost of the plane

    What about automatic landing? This is not only a change in the software in it. As for unmanned aircraft, it will withstand large overloads during evasion, even to the point of destroying the aircraft, if there is no other choice (the pilot will not die).
    1. DO
      0
      14 November 2023 23: 27
      What about automatic landing?

      The C-70 drone has been flying for a long time - therefore, it automatically takes off and lands.
      Some fighter aircraft have an automatic landing system without pilot intervention.
      Some civilian airliners can automatically take off without the participation of pilots, execute a planned route and land at a specially equipped airfield.

      it will withstand large overloads when evading

      Yes, of course, it would be nice to “teach” unmanned fighters to automatically detect enemy missiles and autonomously evade them. But first it would be useful to introduce into them an automatic anti-aircraft maneuver, which has long been introduced in modern manned fighters.
      1. -3
        15 November 2023 13: 03
        How interesting is it that current fighters and especially civilian airliners can take off and land on their own, especially here? In our country, and in the world, not all trained pilots can do this, and there are a lot of accidents, but here the robots themselves have mustaches!
        1. +1
          15 November 2023 19: 21
          Twice, do you know how Buran descended from orbit? What year is this, remember?

          Any modern aircraft can autoland. Yes, he flies himself 99% of the time.
          1. 0
            15 November 2023 20: 31
            I thought that the deserted one-off "Buran" remember! Moreover, a bunch of people controlled it all the way.
            But this is not a serial military fighter on a combat mission, and certainly not a civilian airliner with hundreds of passengers.
            So which of them, besides the spaceship, which did not take off on its own, are now taking off on their own and landing with people?
            Yes, civil aircraft (not fighters!) fly on autopilot in the air for some time, and this is far from 99% of the time, but takeoff and landing, approach, setting course, etc., are carried out exclusively by the crew. Otherwise, for sure, everyone kirdyk.
            1. DO
              +1
              17 November 2023 13: 49
              Twice-born, we simply google the question. The first answer is https://www.techinsider.ru/editorial/461452-mozhet-li-layner-vypolnit-polnostyu-avtomaticheskuyu-posadku/.
              Hedgehog understands that this machine on a civilian airliner is a backup system in case of emergency situations, and it only works at appropriately equipped airfields, of which there are not so many.
              Regarding the standard automatic landing of a military aircraft, I have already mentioned the S-70 Okhotnik drone above.
              The possibility of automatic landing of new manned fighters is difficult to prove on this page, because this is non-public information. However, they break through in the statements of some specialists.
  16. +2
    15 November 2023 10: 31
    The army needs a supersonic aircraft like the MIG-31 to effectively drop controlled gliding bombs, and the industry is “sawing” the SU-75.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out to be another “Armata”.
    1. DO
      0
      17 November 2023 23: 20
      prior,

      a supersonic aircraft like the MIG-31 is needed to effectively drop controlled gliding bombs, and the industry is “sawing” the SU-75.

      What is is ours. The MiG-31 is out of production, and it is hardly possible to resume it in an adequate time frame. The problem is different - the date of the first flight of the Su-75 has been shifted far to the right.
  17. +2
    15 November 2023 10: 49
    First, it is necessary to close the holes in attack UAVs and strategic reconnaissance UAVs. This will greatly increase the effectiveness and efficiency of strikes.
    And the next search for a wunderwaffle that has no analogues will lead to armata
  18. +1
    15 November 2023 11: 42
    Khrushchev: We will release nuclear missiles like sausages...
    several 10 years later - but it was necessary to build ships (today the Black Sea Fleet showed that this is not so).
    the day before yesterday we needed drones.
    yesterday - artillery shells.
    today (well, like air) - t-55 and t-64."
    tomorrow - “checkmate”.
    the day after tomorrow the Dales, Reagans, Brzezhinskis, Kisinzhirs-Soros will adjust the situation that satellites will be needed. And
    etc. etc.
    The arms race is economic strangulation.

    I propose Uncle Vasya’s doctrine (DDV-3) (33, 333...):
    tighten our belts...
    everything to fight this strangulation!
    cars, chaises for h.. - all for bicycles and so on. transport.
    all to the sports fields. in schools GTO (dystrophics - for cleaning areas).
    everything is to combat overeating and excess weight (a la North Korea. There are no fat people there. - Eun can...).
    We save on everything.
    During the day, work at your job, after work -1 hour. at a construction site (free of charge, of course).
    Saturdays - All-Russian subbotniks (from 8.00 to 14.00).
    conscripts into the army (especially in new regions. Why are they talking?)
    grain (not "FREE-PAY-BUT") for gold (for missiles, torpedoes, satellites, airplanes...), jewelry from the rich... - for the same needs.
    We rent out household utensils made from non-ferrous metals... - also for this purpose.
    we limit the Internet, TV. 1-2 channels are enough (Western culture - nah..).
    we are building iron curtains and Berlin walls...(waiting for "changes" - to remove all the snow to Siberia... there is a lot of snow there).

    joke?
    -Yes, may be.
    there is no other way. otherwise you won't WIN!
    1. -1
      15 November 2023 20: 42
      And something similar, almost the same, but not so harsh, already happened 10 years before the war and 15 years after it, when the country was saved. But then the Russian people were different, better, more united, even after the revolution and civil war, and everyone had much worse living conditions. People didn’t get too greedy and knew that they were trying for themselves, their children and mothers, and not for the rich!
  19. +2
    15 November 2023 12: 09
    Su-75 or MiG-35: which aircraft does the Russian Aerospace Forces need in the light weight category?

    Why not? Why are we now going to dress up as su or not su? We rivet both of them. And experience, as they say, is the son of difficult mistakes, and will show which of the experts is a real expert. And the factory owners will not be offended.
  20. 0
    16 November 2023 07: 53
    Definitely the MiG-35. The 75th will be a complete repetition of the 57th. Cohabitation for many years without a guaranteed result. And the MiG, here it is.
  21. 0
    12 December 2023 17: 02
    It all depends on the price of the issue. And the fact that the MIG35 is not a light fighter also plays into its disadvantage. SU75 is a long song. and in the end we are left with nothing. Our generals, from a well-fed life, became swollen with fat and stopped working. and that's bad.
  22. 0
    26 December 2023 22: 59
    Now we need to produce in maximum quantities what already physically exists and flies. In this regard, mass production of MIG-35 is necessary. The problem is that Western countries can transfer many Western fighters to Ukraine. Perhaps many hundreds if not thousands of them will be transferred. Therefore, in the next two years we will have every combat unit on our account. It would be better if the Ministry of Defense realized this in advance