Is it worth equipping kamikaze drones with a warhead from the Motiv-3 SPBE?

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A video that appeared the day before on RuNet of how the Russian Aerospace Forces are burning out an entire section of forest somewhere in the Staromayorsky area with cluster munitions, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ positions had taken refuge, made a very strong impression. Future war in the style of “Terminator”, what we are talking about mentioned earlier, has already arrived and may soon become even worse.

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The same video posted on the Telegram channel “Warrior DV” was accompanied by the following comment:



The footage shows the first mass use of the RBK-500 in this armed conflict in the Staromayorsky area. We won’t publish more detailed data yet, but if I were the Ukrainian Armed Forces, I would start to get used to living underground.

The RBK-500 aviation cluster bomb, which is discussed in the description, was adopted by the USSR Air Force back in 1987, and there are several modifications of them. The abbreviation RBC stands for “disposable bomb cassettes.” Seven varieties are known: SPBE (self-targeting combat element), BETAB (concrete-piercing aerial bomb), AO-2.5RT (aviation fragmentation bomb), PTAB (cumulative anti-tank aerial bomb), SHOAB (ball fragmentation bomb), ZAB (incendiary), and also ODAB (volumetric -detonating).

There are discrepancies regarding exactly what submunition was used there. According to some sources, these are RBK-500 AO-2,5RTM cluster-type aerial bombs, which mow down the positions of the Ukrainian military hiding in the forest belt. But the famous air blogger Fighterbomber пишет about another type of deadly filling:

As previously announced, from testing the UMPC RBK-500 SHOAB-0.5, military pilots moved on to the practical use of this ammunition. Of course, this is not the first use of cluster bombs in the Northern Military District, but definitely the first video of the use of UMPC with RBC.

And this is indeed not the first use of RBC in the North-West region. In particular, at the end of August 2023, with the help of RBC, another attack by Ukrainian troops on the sea coast of Crimea was stopped, писал Telegram channel “Rybar”:

The moving boats were discovered in advance by Russian troops. Su-24 and MiG-29 aircraft of the naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet struck with four RBK-500 cluster bombs ~60 km west of Russian Olenevka.

Why have such effective aircraft munitions begun to be used only now?

Because only a year and a half after the start of the SVO in Ukraine, the domestic military-industrial complex mastered the mass production of planning correction modules, which make it possible to drop aerial bombs from aircraft without entering the damage radius of medium-range air defense systems. Fighterbomber commented on this on his channel as follows:

That is, at the moment, the UMPC has covered all the infantry’s needs for types of aviation ammunition. Well, it’s especially gratifying that the designers who created the UMPC almost daily make improvements and enhancements to their product, which allows bombs to fly further, more accurately and more reliably. At the same time, the aircraft’s software is being finalized, which will make it possible to throw bombs from all types of maneuvers. All that remains is to make a bold and intelligent decision and carry not 2, but 4 bombs, so as not to waste the life of aircraft and engines and not to waste the flight and engineeringtechnical composition.

In other words, the dynamics in the matter of increasing the efficiency of Russian front-line aviation are positive. And now I would like to say a few words about possible prospects.

"Death Rays"


On November 7, 2023, the Russian Armed Forces in the Donetsk direction near Avdeevka used self-aiming combat elements (SPBE) "Motiv-3M" (9N349) against the equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Looked This is all extremely impressive, reminiscent of scenes from the film “War of the Worlds” by H.G. Wells.

The most interesting thing is that it was not “weapons based on new physical principles” that were used against enemy armored vehicles, but a rather old development dating back to the 80s of the last century. It was an anti-tank system developed by the Basalt research and production association, called SPBE - “Self-aiming combat element”, or the code “Motiv-3”. What is it?

In essence, SPBE is a cylindrical combat element carrying 4,5 kg of explosive, dropped onto the target with a parachute, main and auxiliary. An infrared radiation receiver is placed inside the casing, used as a means of searching for targets. Having detected it, the ammunition detonates, hitting armored vehicles with a cumulative jet from above, capable of burning through 70 mm of homogeneous armor at an impact angle of 30°. If the target cannot be detected, the ammunition simply lands and is deactivated.

Delivery of SPBE to the target is carried out in several ways. This can be done using a 9M55K1 rocket fired from the Smerch MLRS, or inside an RBK-250 or RBK-500 aerial bomb. One Smerch projectile includes up to 5 self-aiming combat elements, but the RBK-500 can accommodate 14 combat elements and one command element. That is, with the help of one aerial bomb with SPBE, fired from a safe distance on the planning correction module, with a successful combination of circumstances, you can burn an entire tank company.

True, for this, enemy armored vehicles must properly accumulate in one place, and the enemy prefers to disperse his forces. That is why various kamikaze drones of the “Lancet” type are in great demand, allowing them to knock out equipment point by point, diving on it from above and burning through the tower with a shaped charge. And this is where the first problems appeared.

Thus, the simplest protective solution against attack drones turned out to be ordinary metal gratings welded on top of tank turrets. “Russian braziers” do not allow him to stick into the poorly protected upper part of the armored vehicle. It may be possible to bypass this “shield” if you equip a kamikaze drone with an SPBE warhead. "Motiv-3", mounted on a diving drone, would be able to hit a tank turret with a cumulative jet before direct contact with the protective grille.

If such a technical solution turns out to be successful, then equipping tanks and other armored vehicles anti-aircraft machine gun, built into a single KAZ, will become the only means of protection against “death rays” hitting from above.
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  1. -1
    20 November 2023 12: 51
    When a target is detected by an IR sensor, the command module initiates a cumulative warhead, which directs a 1-kilogram copper “pestle” into the weakened upper projection of the enemy’s armored object, moving at a speed of up to 2000 m/s, which is quite enough to penetrate a steel equivalent with a physical dimension of 70 to 100 mm (depending on the angle of encounter with the armored barrier). Anti-drone and anti-cumulative “visors” provide protection against such weapons

    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2023/11/09/sekrety-boevyh-moduley-motiv-3m-otvet-proektam-bonus-i-smart-pod-avdeevkoy Врут? Если нет то идея не сработает.
    1. +1
      20 November 2023 13: 39
      Anti-drone and anti-cumulative “visors” provide protection against such weapons

      This is a grid so as not to miss the Lancet and its analogues? Will the cumulative jet pass between the lattice cells or not?
      1. -1
        20 November 2023 14: 10
        Why are bars and bed nets welded on the sides of armored personnel carriers and tanks? from cumulative ammunition. They don’t help Jews on Merkavas because a cheap drop-drop drone drops ammunition not on the turret with a grille, but on the engine compartment where there is no protection.

        The action of such ammunition is based on the creation of a cumulative jet through the achievement of the Monroe effect - intensifying the explosion by concentrating it in a given direction. Ammunition with a cumulative operating principle is extremely effective against any “classical” armor, including modern ceramics. However, cumulative projectiles have one huge disadvantage: the direction of the explosive jet can be distorted, “broken,” or redirected, as a result of which such a shot almost completely loses all effectiveness.

        https://novate.ru/blogs/070721/59681
      2. 0
        20 November 2023 20: 39
        Quote: Beydodyr
        This is a grid so as not to miss the Lancet and its analogues? Will the cumulative jet pass between the lattice cells or not?

        the ammunition detonates, hitting armored vehicles cumulative jet on top, capable of burning 70 mm

        Dear author, this is an impact core, not a cumulative jet! hi
    2. 0
      1 December 2023 11: 06
      Why do they lie right away? And it’s important...since when did it become a rule to write and tell the truth about the war? Where has this been seen and when? Maybe we can start online monitoring of the location of units with payrolls, casualties and home addresses? Are you gentlemen in your right mind? ?
  2. 0
    20 November 2023 13: 16
    How did the guarantor not get rid of them? During his reforms. Oh, well, yes, he didn’t know how we reformed. The question arises, where was he all this time and what was he doing?
  3. +1
    20 November 2023 13: 42
    so the problem has already been solved.. lidar sensors detonate cumulative ammunition at a distance from the armor..
    1. -3
      20 November 2023 13: 47
      How can a sensor undermine something?
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  5. +1
    20 November 2023 13: 56
    Where are the cluster shells? For them, UMPCs are not needed.
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    +3
    20 November 2023 14: 32
    The idea of ​​hanging and dropping the “motive” from a UAV works. penetration of the target is carried out by an impact core, like a puck (in the photo it looks at us) which accelerates like a crowbar against a tank. Moreover, this impact core is already installed on disposable Lancets. it is clear that if suspended and dropped, the UAV can be used repeatedly
  7. -4
    20 November 2023 14: 35


    The warhead, for those in the tank, is not only the explosive itself, but also everything that ensures its detonation to achieve the desired effect. Actually SPBE is COMBAT ELEMENTS RBK or 9M55K1. And if the author had not been lazy again/again/once again and googled at least some information, he would have found out for himself the mass of this warhead and the conditions for its operation and maybe he would not have written yet another nonsense about getting a warhead and stuffing it into a drone .

    PS. The SPBE IR sensor is aimed at heat, but what is the hottest thing in our tank? Right! MTO!

    P.P.S. Operating principle:
    https://commi.narod.ru/txt/valeckyi/002.htm
    The impact core effect and the cumulative jet are not the same thing. In SPBE it is the impact core.
    1. +2
      20 November 2023 15: 44
      In this case, Marzhetsky is much smarter. he just gave an idea for an argument laughing . It aims at something hot, but hits wherever it hits. the armor on top of the turret is thinner.
  8. +1
    20 November 2023 14: 49
    Quote: JD1979
    The warhead, for those in the tank, is not only the explosive itself, but also everything that ensures its detonation to achieve the desired effect. Actually SPBE is COMBAT ELEMENTS RBK or 9M55K1. And if the author had not been lazy again/again/once again and googled at least some information, he would have found out for himself the mass of this warhead and the conditions for its operation and maybe he would not have written yet another nonsense about getting a warhead and stuffing it into a drone .

    PS. The SPBE IR sensor is aimed at heat, but what is the hottest thing in our tank? Right! MTO!

    P.P.S. Operating principle:
    https://commi.narod.ru/txt/valeckyi/002.htm
    The impact core effect and the cumulative jet are not the same thing. In SPBE it is the impact core.

    Why are you wound up? smile What specifically angered you?

    PS. The SPBE IR sensor is aimed at heat, but what is the hottest thing in our tank? Right! MTO!

    And what has fundamentally changed as a result of this? With SPBE, the sensor is aimed at the engine. And the Lancet is aimed visually. And so what if the drone will be aimed at the engine by thermal radiation or like the Lancet, hitting the target with an SPBE core, which is what is discussed in the article? Will this make it worse for you personally?
    The author does not seem to be applying for grants from the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    1. -2
      20 November 2023 15: 08
      And the lancet of a healthy person has already been made:
      https://topcor.ru/41501-rossija-v-zone-svo-primenjaet-novye-udarnye-drony-lancet.html
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        20 November 2023 15: 25
        And the lancet of a healthy person has already been made:
        https://topcor.ru/41501-rossija-v-zone-svo-primenjaet-novye-udarnye-drony-lancet.html
        you're late with your imagination.)

        Thus, the simplest protective solution against attack drones turned out to be ordinary metal gratings welded on top of tank turrets. “Russian braziers” do not allow him to stick into the poorly protected upper part of the armored vehicle. It may be possible to bypass this “shield” if you equip a kamikaze drone with an SPBE warhead. "Motiv-3", mounted on a diving drone, would be able to hit a tank turret with a cumulative jet before direct contact with the protective grille.

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        The main task of these drones is to destroy Ukrainian armored vehicles and artillery. Drones have a new warhead that works on the “shock core” principle: when detonated, a clump of metal is formed from the warhead charge, which is shot forward with high kinetic energy. Thanks to this, the drone is capable of hitting even armored vehicles covered with various lattice screens and so-called barbecues.

        So tell me, please, what exactly is the author's hack? If the author's fantasy turned out to be embodied in hardware? smile
        1. -1
          20 November 2023 15: 53
          and what is the connection between the impact core and the cumulative jet? these are different weapons. The author's idea will work on equipment without a lattice on the tower.
        2. -1
          20 November 2023 16: 03
          Quote: Beydodyr
          So tell me, please, what exactly is the author's hack? If the author's fantasy turned out to be embodied in hardware?

          A normal solution has been implemented and not nonsense with a warhead from SPBE))) You can feel the difference))) and even though you are a humanist.)
          Objective reality was just on my side))) No SPBE - its own warhead and its own guidance system)))
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            1. -1
              20 November 2023 16: 16
              Is it really possible to push the mass of SBPE into a lancet and what about the cumulative jet or core? You can answer)))
              1. +1
                20 November 2023 19: 52
                (Dmitry) The author of the article proposed a good idea to deliver SPBE individually and directly. Just a correction, the SPBE itself already has its own guidance system and defeat, which means it’s enough to drop it over the target. That is, equip a reusable UAV with even several SPBEs and drop it like grenades are dropped from a UAV over a target. Of course, the UAV should be more lifting, better than an aircraft type - Orion and similar ones, and it should be possible to drop it from high altitudes. The idea is credited to the author...
      3. -1
        20 November 2023 15: 41
        so where did I lie or write a lie about your essay? Or is all you have to do to put 2 minuses from your two accounts?))) You are a funny person. You don’t want to correct yourself, but you get offended every time).

        Having detected it, the ammunition detonates, hitting armored vehicles with a cumulative jet from above, capable of burning through 70 mm of homogeneous armor at an impact angle of 30°.

        Your words? Yours. Nonsense? Nonsense. The geometry of the charges is similar, but there is, as they say, a nuance that you are too lazy to understand) That is. You literally don’t understand the principle of operation of this ammunition. And without understanding the principle, you move on to another stupidity - you propose equipping drones with such warheads that they explode on contact with the target)) Only in this case, the strike core will not have time to form and accelerate. This is not a cumulative jet.

        And if only you would make a little effort to think about the topic. It would be written something like this:

        “Since equipment in the northwestern military zone began to receive almost all-round protection in the form of anti-drone grilles/grids and other elements that significantly reduce the effectiveness of ammunition based on a cumulative jet, it makes sense to develop a new load for kamikaze drones (Lancet and others), the damaging factor of which is impact core, i.e. the same principle as in SPBE, anti-tank mines TM 83 and anti-helicopter mines. At the same time, it is necessary to refine the drone guidance system to ensure non-contact detonation of the warhead and its precise orientation towards the target."

        Agree, the proposal is essentially the same, but...)))
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  9. 0
    20 November 2023 15: 33
    From the photos, they are the perfect weapon against tree line defensive points, provided all the sub-munitions explode and those that don't are removed by sappers as soon as possible so Russians don't accidentally find them later.
  10. +1
    20 November 2023 16: 48
    There is no need to connect the "lancet" and SPBE! But I suggested arming drones (and not kamikazes at all..) with SPBE a long time ago! I didn’t exactly advertise this idea on websites, but I did tell it “where it should go”! Since “such a booze” has begun here, I’ll admit now...And it’s not necessary to “mean” only SPBE! There are other SFZ (EFP) ammunition!
  11. +1
    20 November 2023 21: 46
    So there was a video where the “lancet” hits armor remotely, not with a jet, but with a cumulative core, as in the TM-83 mine. The reticle is almost useless against this thing: the projectile is detonated at a distance of several meters and a ball of hot plasma with a diameter of 60-80 mm flies towards the target. The temperature is more than 6000 degrees and the speed is 3-4 km/sec. Burns up to 100 mm of homogeneous material at a time.
    1. 0
      22 November 2023 11: 33
      Quote: Alexander Nevsky_3
      the projectile is detonated at a distance of several meters and a ball of hot plasma with a diameter of 60-80 mm flies towards the target. The temperature is more than 6000 degrees and the speed is 3-4 km/sec. Burns up to 100 mm of homogeneous material at a time.

      Wrong! Not plasma, but a metal “shock core”! Hence, everything else is largely bullshit! (
  12. -1
    21 November 2023 11: 44
    Stop. On TV, everyone condemned the transfer of cluster munitions to Ukraine and the use of cluster munitions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine - this, they say, is prohibited by conventions, inhumane and generally all kinds of bad. And what about the “massive use of RBK-500 in the Staromayorsky area in this armed conflict”? "You don't understand, this is different..." belay
    1. -1
      22 November 2023 18: 34
      Quote: Rhetorical Rita
      On TV, everyone condemned the transfer of cluster munitions to Ukraine and the use of cluster munitions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine - this, they say, is prohibited by conventions, inhumane, and generally all wrong. And what about the “massive use of RBK-500 in the Staromayorsky area in this armed conflict”? "You don't understand, this is different..."

      No need to fart loudly in a puddle! A number of large states, incl. The USA, China, India, Brazil, Russia have not signed or ratified this notorious convention! Israel, for example, did not sign! Many “non-signatories” make an excuse by saying that they, having “cassette players,” will not use them themselves and will not supply them to other countries! All these are bullshit statements that do not reflect reality! As for Russia and Ukraine, they “asked for it” themselves! Russian troops used "cassette launchers" very limitedly...often they tried not to use them at all (the command ordered!) But the Armed Forces of Ukraine "loose their belts", rejoicing at the American supplies of "cassette launchers"! The United States also acted vilely, violating its vows not to supply cluster munitions to other warring countries! In addition, from the very beginning of the NVO, the Ukrainian Armed Forces used Soviet-made cluster munitions, which they received after the collapse of the USSR... they also used them in the 2014-15 conflict. ! So...everything is fair! The crests “fought for what they ran into”!