Who benefits: five versions of the death of the leadership of PMC "Wagner" in a plane crash

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Undoubtedly, the main socialполитическая news Russia of recent times is the death in a plane crash in the Tver region of the rebellious oligarch and top manager of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin, as a result of which the best private army in the world was instantly beheaded. What versions are put forward about what happened the day before?

What is known


At the moment, it is known that Prigozhin's private plane, on board of which there were ten people, including the oligarch himself and the commander-in-chief of his PMC Dmitry Utkin with the call sign "Wagner", fell and crashed in the Tver region near the village of Kuzhenkino. All passengers and crew members died, the bodies of the leadership of the private army were previously identified. A criminal case was initiated under the article on violation of the rules of traffic safety and operation of air transport of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, among the versions of the crash are pilot error, technical malfunctions and external influence.



The entire Runet and the foreign press are literally seething with speculation about what happened on the evening of August 23 in the sky over the Tver region. The fact that some kind of “external influence” could have taken place is indicated by the testimonies of some eyewitnesses posted on the Web:

Banged, exploded twice. Falling down! Look, it's falling!

Considering that exactly two months ago, from June 23 to June 24, 2023, Yevgeny Prigozhin and his commander-in-chief Dmitry Utkin captured Rostov-on-Don and sent army columns of Wagner PMC to Moscow, simultaneously shooting down planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces, their death near Tver looks extremely ambiguous, if we assume that she really was violent, and not a coincidence.

That is why many versions and conjectures immediately appeared, trying to explain the death of the entire leadership of the best private army in the world, which simply need to be commented on with a cold head.

What was that?


First version, which is actively dispersed in the comments, is that the “bony hand of retaliation” reached out to the rebels for what they did on June 23-24. The dramatic events of two months ago are now treated differently, an opponent who knows exactly what happened then cannot be argued. But there is an important nuance to keep in mind.

Prigozhin's rebellion was stopped after Presidents Lukashenko and Putin gave him and his subordinates personal security guarantees. Vladimir Putin has given his word of honor, and he is known for keeping it. As a matter of fact, that's why he was chosen at the time for the role of Successor. The death of the Wagner top, timed to coincide with a significant date, and even on the territory of Russia, would cast a shadow on the Kremlin, which was clearly what the organizers of this terrorist attack were trying to achieve. It is enough to read the Western press about what happened the day before.

Thus, the American information and analytical agency Bloomberg writes the following:

At first, there was no confirmation that Prigozhin was indeed on board the plane. A source close to the Kremlin was also unable to immediately confirm this, noting that the Wagner leader took precautions, including using two planes. The disaster comes exactly two months after Prigozhin led the insurgency that has become the biggest threat to President Vladimir Putin's nearly quarter-century rule. Putin described the June mutiny as a betrayal, but Prigozhin escaped any retribution from the Kremlin in a deal to stop the mutiny while his fighters were stationed 200 kilometers from Moscow.

The British Financial Times also casts a shadow over the wattle fence:

Although Prigozhin appears to have been reintegrated into the Russian security forces, US officials have said he is likely to face retribution.

Doesn't add up.

Second version concerns the behind-the-scenes struggle of the conditional "Kremlin towers". It is no longer a secret that there is a so-called party of war and a party of peace, which have a fundamentally different vision of the further course of the NWO. Judging by the recent statement by Prigozhin and Utkin before sending the Wagner fighters to Africa, they expected to return soon. Apparently, the calculation was made that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be able to break through the defenses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and then the Kremlin would have to bow to Yevgeny Viktorovich. But, as we can see, the Russian army turned out to be stronger than the rebellious oligarch himself pejoratively portrayed, and not only withstood, but even launched a counteroffensive in the Kharkov region.

The most important question is what kind of party Prigozhin represented. Based on his combative rhetoric, he was considered to be a "hawk". However, just a couple of days before his trip to Moscow, in his long interview, he made a number of very strange statements that Shoigu allegedly started the war for the sake of marshal stars, that the war was allegedly beneficial to Russian oligarchs, that Donbass allegedly had not been shelled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for eight years, and that Zelensky supposedly always open to negotiations. You can read more about this here to register:and everyone can draw their own conclusions.

The third version it sounds very strange - the alleged death of the entire top of the Wagner in a plane crash in the Tver region is some kind of revenge by the Russian military for the rebellion of PMCs, during which the "musicians" shot down several helicopters and aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces. If we assume for a moment that this is even possible, then this will mean that the army has turned from an instrument of force into a subject of politics with its own will. This matter is so serious that it requires a separate discussion outside the scope of this publication. It seems that the version is unfounded.

Version four suggests that the Wagner leadership could have been liquidated in the course of a joint operation between Ukrainian and Western intelligence services. Kyiv has its own accounts to Prigozhin and Utkin for Soledar and Bakhmut (Artemovsk). Before Ukraine's Independence Day, its terrorist regime needs some media victories in the absence of the military. In turn, the "Western partners", primarily the United States and France, are extremely uninterested in the fact that the Russian private army intervenes in the upcoming war in West Africa, playing a significant role there. Quite possibly, by the way.

Fifth version also associated with Prigozhin's African projects. After the events of June 23-24, 2023, the oligarch fell into disgrace, and there were undoubtedly new people interested in his assets. The instantaneous death in a plane crash of the entire Wagner leadership will certainly lead to a quick redistribution of Yevgeny Viktorovich's legacy in Africa. There is nothing surprising in such a scenario.

Be that as it may, these people have consciously made their choice by embarking on this crooked and dangerous path. If the conductors of the “orchestra” had less ambition, Wagner would still could successfully fight in the NVO zonehelping to liberate Marinka and Avdeevka, which would really benefit Russia and the Russian people, in contrast to distant African oligarchic projects. But they made their choice. Perhaps now the decapitated Wagner will still be integrated into the structure of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Or maybe just change ownership.
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  1. +18
    24 August 2023 11: 53
    JFK assassination solved? Has the murder of Olof Palme been solved?
    What are the developments in the case of Dmitry Kholodov? Who ordered Paul Khlebnikov or Boris Nemtsov?
    The reason for the death of the submarine "Kursk"? Well, there is only the official results of the investigation, you can believe them or not.
    Malaysian Boeing? - Everyone is saying something different.
    So here - if there are results of the investigation, it will not be very soon, and everyone can believe them or not.

    There is much in the world, friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of
    1. 0
      24 August 2023 13: 42
      Dr. Lisa with the plane and passengers...
      1. -1
        24 August 2023 15: 20
        Overload of the aircraft and little experience of pilots taking off over the sea, like ...
        1. 0
          25 August 2023 09: 41
          first decipher the aviation term (ORAPI) and then write
    2. -1
      25 August 2023 09: 37
      On August 24, 2023, a tragedy occurred. The plane crashed. 10 people died, incl. and the head of PMC "Wagner" Yevgeny Prigozhin. The main version is that this is beneficial to the vengeful GDP and was done on his orders in order to remove a competitor in the presidential elections in 2024. She is almost forcibly shoved into fragile brains. Wonderfully, the only thing missing is the publication of the written order of the VVP on the liquidation of Prigozhin. Although this is overkill. But for people who are not burdened with brains, it will do.
      I do not have information by whom and by whose order this was done, but thank God I have the rudiments of logic. The version that this is beneficial to Putin does not hold water. It is beneficial to those who want to stir up the situation for the elections and remove the president of Russia, who is objectionable to the fagots of the West.
      Putin, as a former KGB officer, would first have denounced Prigozhin for his demands for the supply of shells, although during the liquidation of Wagner they found such a quantity as a fool candy wrappers. After that, on the orders of Prigozhin, Russian helicopters were destroyed near Rostov, people died. Another removal of the combat general Surovikin. This is a subtle allusion to preparations for a military coup.
      Prigozhin should have been taken and tried, and not released to Belarus or Africa. You can also put forward a version that this was done by the hands of the Poles or the Balts because of the fear that Wagner created problems for their plans to occupy Belarus. Oh yes, even shitting our president in front of the BRICS members. In general, Russians think like that Vasya. Which hand is the bottle in?
      1. -3
        26 August 2023 19: 08
        the benefit of the acquirer in the death of the cook is the whole of Russia ... do not pay attention to verbal turns of the type: why did the GDP need it or could it still benefit the homeland, they have known each other for a very long time, all this is a "cunning" plan, etc. ... this was supposed to happen and this decision was made last year ...
    3. 0
      27 August 2023 23: 03
      For a more accurate understanding of the situation for you: the same Kursk also passed under Article 263, so it is not difficult to predict the conclusions of the investigation - a training torpedo will be assigned as the culprit. Fortunately, the people are everywhere dark and illiterate, they eat any crap. "Kursk", "Boeing", "Estonia", and "Prigozhin" - the most elementary stories. One of the heroes of the Harry Potter saga was right when he said: Muggles do not see anything at all. :-)
  2. +8
    24 August 2023 11: 59
    Let's just say - another version is possible. Why is NATO gathering on our borders? Why did they stop being afraid of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons? Three "buttons of the nuclear suitcase" for Putin, Shoigu, Gerasimov. If they, during the NATO invasion, turn out to be "blocked" - who really could release them, except for "Wagner"? Who removed the combat generals who could have a significant impact on the combat situation?
    If you can answer these questions, it will become clearer who benefits from it.
    "Interested" towels, bread, salt, it seems, have already ordered.
  3. +14
    24 August 2023 12: 01
    It is sad that this whole story with a campaign against Moscow ended without any comments from officials. And it is quite sad that the top of Wagner thus ended his journey. The strangeness of history continues to amaze and alarm.
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  4. 0
    24 August 2023 12: 06
    If you are in conflict with the enemy, this is not so bad, but if you don’t want to leave with your comrades-in-arms, who have lost billions at once, this is a disaster, such a disaster. It can be suggested that everyone suddenly became uncomfortable next to those who decided that they could jump above their heads and let them down. So it happens. The assassination attempt on Hitler, the assassination of Kennedy is a classic.
  5. +13
    24 August 2023 12: 12
    E.Prigozhin in a tangle of interests: from the Russian leadership of the RF Armed Forces, to influential persons and corrupt officials in power structures, the intentions of the Ukrainian GUR and their curators from the USA and England, due to the danger of Wagner's military actions, to foreign countries in the interests of Africa, - all in one ball. Who was the first to "raise his hand" will have to figure it out, but E. Prigozhin revealed a lot of unsightly and completely disgusting things in the command and control system of the RF Armed Forces, showed how military operations should be ensured, etc., to which he bows from Russian patriots. Pseudo-patriots and enemies rejoiced at the death of the son of Russia and poured mud in their joy.
    1. +1
      25 August 2023 09: 05
      And you correctly said, Son of Russia, a true patriot of his Motherland, defender of the Russian land ...
  6. -4
    24 August 2023 12: 18
    And there is also a sixth version. Was Prigogine on board? And his "death" would be the best way out of the current (and not at all ended) situation with the rebellion, both for the EVP and for the GDP. The first will, under the guise of incognito, live out his prosperous and carefree life somewhere in Latin America, and the second will thereby resolve all legal issues with the consequences of the rebellion and calm popular unrest on the topic of persecution of the "true patriot" - "savior of the Fatherland".
    1. +19
      24 August 2023 12: 26
      E.Prigozhin is not a scoundrel (like many of the authorities), and in his life he did not shake, being in the most dangerous places. So I wouldn’t cowardly save my own skin. Your version looks like a breakdown to soil the memory of E. Prigogine.
      1. -17
        24 August 2023 14: 39
        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
        E.Prigozhin is not a scoundrel

        ... Not a scoundrel, he is just a recidivist and a traitor ...
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      2. -17
        24 August 2023 14: 54
        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
        soil the memory of E. Prigogine.

        He messed up his memory on June 24, 2023, and people like you, short-sighted and gullible to populist slogans, who do not understand people or politics, arrange here the "lament of Yaroslavna" equating this character to the saints...
        1. +14
          24 August 2023 15: 09
          You really do not preach your personal opinion (the reasons may be different) for the truth. If E. Prigozhin is a scoundrel, in your opinion, then all these years he has been a friend of everyone in power, then there are claims to the tops of power, since the scoundrels work for a long time for the state (Africa, Donbass, etc.). Continuing further, it means that the rest in power are the same - "with whom you behave, you will gain from that." Conclusion: you, as a model of conjuncture and a victim of propaganda, with such sudden judgments after some events, the reasons for which you do not know.
          1. -9
            24 August 2023 17: 28
            Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
            If E. Prigogine is a scoundrel, in your opinion, then all these years he has been a friend of everyone in power, then there are claims to the tops of power, since the scoundrels work for a long time for the state

            This is where I can't help but agree! And about the "victim of propaganda" - he smiled. lol
        2. +1
          24 August 2023 22: 47
          In my opinion, except for Prigozhin, no one pulls on the "face of saints". Except that ,
          Archimandrite Kirill But no , forgive me , Lord !
        3. +1
          29 August 2023 03: 19
          Quote from VladZ
          Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
          soil the memory of E. Prigogine.

          He messed up his memory on June 24, 2023, and people like you, short-sighted and gullible to populist slogans, who do not understand people or politics, arrange here the "lament of Yaroslavna" equating this character to the saints...

          "Respected" leave your personal opinion to yourself.
    2. DO
      +7
      24 August 2023 13: 01
      The "sixth version" is illogical.
      Firstly, according to the totality of the facts, Prigozhin was not the character to “disappear” like that.
      Secondly, even if such a dubious assumption is made, why disappear exactly as it happened, with the destruction of the aircraft, with a dozen corpses among which its deputies were announced, and noise to the whole world? After all, Prigozhin has practically disappeared from the information field?
      1. -5
        24 August 2023 22: 50
        What if, like this, Prigogine needs to disappear in order to implement some kind of plan?
      2. +3
        25 August 2023 09: 23
        Quote: DO
        The "sixth version" is illogical.

        Very logical too. Especially when you remember that he had already done such a trick with his death in a plane crash. Six months later, at the right moment, he resurrected and continued his activities with new energy. I believe that in the present case it is worth waiting for this opportune moment.
        1. DO
          0
          25 August 2023 13: 36
          syndicalist, in any case, the commemoration for Prigozhin as a politician has already been done. And not after the fall of his plane, but earlier, after his "semi-coup". And he himself understood this very well, having disappeared from the information field.
          And if Prigozhin wanted to disappear for everyone but stay alive, it would be enough for him simply not to come to Russia - the most media-friendly place to eliminate him for all enemies from among anti-Russia.
      3. DO
        0
        2 September 2023 14: 27
        PS
        Maybe the seventh version.
        Suppose Prigozhin’s plane, for some reason, flew with the transponder turned off and did not respond to the fighter’s demands to land. In this hypothetical case, the air defense service could work according to protocol without wasting time finding out who was on board.
        Of course, this version is unlikely, because if this were the case, then in the past 10 days after the disaster, the Russian authorities would seem to have no need to hide it.
        However, the author's versions are also unlikely:
        Versions 1...3: why do the Russian civil services expose themselves to the whole world, and so clumsily, by also killing the crew, who were definitely “out of business”? After all, after such a high-profile case, there would be a high probability for the perpetrators (and perhaps the initiators) to bear responsibility.
        Foreign versions 4 and 5 are difficult to implement in Russia for a VIP person, who is also additionally protected by his own security service.
    3. +3
      25 August 2023 08: 24
      Quote from VladZ
      And there is also a sixth version. Was Prigogine on board? And his "death" would be the best way out of the current (and not at all ended) situation with the rebellion, both for the EVP and for the GDP. The first will, under the guise of incognito, live out his prosperous and carefree life somewhere in Latin America, and the second will thereby resolve all legal issues with the consequences of the rebellion and calm popular unrest on the topic of persecution of the "true patriot" - "savior of the Fatherland".

      Prigogine may not have existed, but did the plane fly without pilots, or were they kamikazes? To blow up a plane with people for the sake of cover is such a thing.
      1. +2
        25 August 2023 09: 26
        Quote: Mish
        Blow up a plane with people for the sake of covering such a thing.

        Here, too, came up with a problem. It is unlikely that this circumstance was taken into account at all when developing the operation.
  7. +8
    24 August 2023 12: 28
    90% that the first version, the remaining 10% can be divided between all the others.
    Putin said that he knows how to forgive, but betrayal does not forgive.
    And who gave what guarantees to whom is known only to a narrow circle of people.
    If Strelkov is released in the next 3 months, then Prigozhin's tower has failed.
    1. +3
      24 August 2023 22: 51
      Why won't he forgive bulk? After all, he didn't betray him, did he?
  8. -7
    24 August 2023 12: 35
    I admit the plausibility of version number 3, but I think that without the participation of the political leadership. As someone's personal initiative. And the fourth version, if Ukraine confirms in order to show its capabilities, will be very convenient for the domestic agenda. Only if we talk about the third version, we should not talk about the army, but about the special services. Only they can do it. Indeed, as a result of that campaign of the "march of justice," I am sure many security officials suffered, including from the special services, to which the main claim arises due to the fact that this happened at all. That campaign is a blow to the competence of the special services, I think many careers collapsed after it. It became immediately clear about Surovikin, because he was a public person and his abrupt disappearance became visible, but it is not known about others, but I am sure that they exist. Well, we should not forget that many military personnel died in our country. And they were simply shot as if in a shooting range at point blank range. After all, if they wanted, then the marching column could be very easily destroyed. I just think that the task was to stop, not destroy. And I think they will find someone to lead Wagner if they decide that his activities are necessary. We have enough tough desperate people with brains, the same Kadyrov declared his readiness to do this after he finishes politics.
  9. -8
    24 August 2023 12: 41
    Whatever it was, the topic of Prigozhin is closed. And there is simply no point in looking for another here.
    1. -7
      24 August 2023 13: 14
      For some reason, only Prigozhin is remembered, but Utkin is forgotten. And there, at the "musicians" themselves, in their "board of governors", there is still that serpentarium. wink And the loot is there, oh what, spinning. For such a loot, you yourself understand ... And there are enough "cleaning" specialists there. So, I would not dismiss the version of internal disassembly.
  10. -3
    24 August 2023 14: 22
    Or maybe it's a cover operation. After all, if they died, then there is no demand. But people like Utkin and Prigogine could not give anyone the opportunity to outplay themselves. They just couldn't fly on one side.
    1. +3
      24 August 2023 22: 54
      Right ! There are no "former" GRU officers!
    2. +5
      24 August 2023 23: 32
      Quote: Wind_59
      But people like Utkin and Prigozhin could not give anyone the opportunity to outplay themselves. They just couldn't fly on one side.

      And they believed Putin and Lukashenko and ....... they were probably wrong!
  11. 0
    24 August 2023 16: 45
    and that Zelensky was allegedly always open to negotiations.

    Interestingly, there were contacts at the highest level, but they did not lead to success. Some time after the presidential elections in Ukraine (held in 2019), there was a certain incident of a personal nature, and one of the Russian "talking heads" expressed regret that the Russian President was "wrong"...
  12. -1
    24 August 2023 16: 46
    fake ou pas, bon boulot dans cette libération de marioupol qui fait bel et bien rentrer dans l'histoire wagner tous ses membres toujours vivants donc
  13. +10
    24 August 2023 17: 08
    Yes, why procrastinate here, if it is completely clear who and for what. I understand that it's scary to say it out loud, but let's admit that there is only one version. Moreover, the most vile of all possible, both because of the consequences for the country as a whole, and because of the chosen method, which shows that there are no longer any shores. Breaking Bad...
  14. -7
    24 August 2023 17: 48
    This time, the Americans still outplayed the British. Beginning in Africa, continuation in Moscow. Now the Kremlin must make moves. They need to dig with their hooves and say everything, sparing no one what it all means... But you can end up in the water, but then there will be a big splinter.
  15. -5
    24 August 2023 18: 03
    On September 4, a Cessna 551 aircraft carrying the German businessman Karl-Peter Griesemann, his wife, their daughter and her boyfriend flew from Jerez de la Frontera in Spain to Cologne. According to German media, the businessman was the pilot of the plane that crashed under mysterious circumstances. Political scientist Alexander Sosnovsky in an interview (in general terms) said: this whole story is whitewashed, hushed up and not properly investigated. I remember when asked about spies here in Russia, Putin replied: “I don’t know if this is the right practice or not ... As for my opinion, I can say that ... Well, we will send them, these intelligence officers, others will come. Maybe maybe they’ll send smart ones. We’ll be tormented to look for it later. We’ll think ... "So I think, we were shown on TV how a drunk employee of one of the embassies, returning in the morning, staggering and falling, barely made it to the door, but in fact, pretending not smart, professionally doing his job under our noses. Enemies of Russia need any excuse, and sometimes, if necessary, they will come up with it themselves, all for the sake of "peace in the world," but what about us, why can't we? Don't like Prigogine? Well, okay, there is a reason left to portray as in the film in "August 44" - Pashka Vaska was killed! They killed Vaska! My friend was killed, I will not live, I do not want ....! True, this requires political will.
  16. -3
    24 August 2023 18: 21
    On September 4, a Cessna 551 aircraft carrying the German businessman Karl-Peter Griesemann, his wife, their daughter and her boyfriend flew from Jerez de la Frontera in Spain to Cologne. According to German media, the businessman was a pilot
    plane that crashed under mysterious circumstances. Political scientist Alexander Sosnovsky in an interview (in general terms) said: this whole story is sewn with white thread, hushed up and not properly investigated. I remember when asked about spies in Russia, Putin replied:
  17. -2
    24 August 2023 19: 29
    The sixth version is a dramatization.
    1. +1
      24 August 2023 23: 06
      Right ! The same as "mutiny"!
  18. +6
    24 August 2023 19: 59
    A bright, courageous man who had his own point of view on current events died. Prigozhin was loved and respected by the people, the presence of PMCs at the front inspired confidence that the tasks set would be completed. I think his death will also be a sunset for Wagner, alas, the former unit will no longer exist. Another page of our history has been closed.
    1. +1
      24 August 2023 22: 57
      Prigozhin is the only person in Russia who can do anything at all!
    2. -1
      24 August 2023 23: 05
      I would add a "shameful page"!
  19. 0
    24 August 2023 22: 34
    Fortune telling on coffee grounds or lamb shoulder.
  20. +13
    24 August 2023 22: 34
    Vladimir Putin has given his word of honor, and he is known for keeping it.
    this is noticeable ... raising the retirement age, at least take it ...
    1. +8
      24 August 2023 23: 03
      So he is the master of his word.
      I wanted - I gave, I wanted - I took it back!
  21. -1
    24 August 2023 22: 56
    apparemment c'est un drone qui serait rentré dans le compartiment du train d'atterisage du moins proche du et d'une manière discrette. soit pendantle décollage, soit au sol pendant les opérations au sol, soit en vol en se collant au niveau du train. Bref, c'est bel et bien un assasinat et que "la presse occidentale" du manière assemblée parle d'un missile depuis le sol et vont même jusqu'à montrer un petit nuage qui ressemble à une trainée de missile et bien étrange que directement c'est conclu sur un assasinat par les autorités qui sont en places et que l'occident aimerais bien remplacer...
  22. +1
    24 August 2023 23: 01
    Mayakovsky would have written about Prigogine like this:

    I know -- the city will be !
    and I know -- the garden will bloom !
    while such people
    in the Soviet country there is!
  23. -3
    25 August 2023 01: 36
    None of the versions talk about Israel and the Mossad. Those. Is he out of business? Does he have no interests in Africa, or in Syria, or in Russia? Although we know how it can work on the territory of other states.
  24. +6
    25 August 2023 02: 17
    In my opinion, there is a Sixth version of "what it was." By the way, this version, from the moment the current President came to power and until now, is the only one for me, on the basis of which I can explain to myself a lot of what is happening and somehow answer the question that is still relevant for me: "Who is mister Putin ?"
    So, it seems to me that the current President, who is a nominee from a well-known and powerful organization, has never had and still does not have all the full power that should correspond to his post. The "deep state" exists not only in the States, but also in our country. It is localized in the depths of this very organization and sometimes makes some important decisions without informing its nominee. In general, there is nothing surprising in this situation. Perhaps even - this is a general case of the world practice of public administration. I think so.
    1. 0
      25 August 2023 03: 39
      Who is Mister Putin?

      So, it seems to me that the current President, who is a nominee from a well-known and powerful organization, has never possessed and still does not possess all that fullness of power - of course he did not and DOES NOT HAVE! He is just an arbiter, although he now represents ONE FROM THE CLANS and was able to draw up at least some rules of the game from a hired "slave on goalers" and agreed with everyone to adhere to them. Goose and Hordor refused and went on an erotic journey on foot. But there are at least 3-4 of these clans in the country, plus the local elite .The power of each clan is approximately comparable and constantly fluctuates back and forth. Well, what can I say if the GDP is not able to remove the still absolutely pro-Western liberal wing of the Russian financial elite, which absolutely everything and even during the war even merge to the West. really can’t even do it. Although under Stalin they would have been shot for less
      1. +3
        25 August 2023 09: 33
        Quote: Boshkavity dude
        And GDP can’t really do anything with it

        Doesn't want to or can't? Do you really think that if the order to arrest the members of this "organization" had been publicly issued, then the perpetrators would not have been found?
        1. -1
          25 August 2023 23: 53
          I would like to, and if I had such a real opportunity, I would have done it. In one of his speeches, the GDP said in plain text approximately that the oprichnina should be introduced, but it won’t work out - how will it stop them later? If the GDP really were as omnipotent as from he is fashioned, he would not think about such questions.
      2. +3
        25 August 2023 19: 01
        Stalin would be for a couple of weeks ......
        1. +1
          25 August 2023 23: 53
          there are such Augean stables that he could hardly manage even in a couple of years.
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  26. -2
    25 August 2023 03: 28
    but did he believe that Prigozhin would have died by his own death in N-th years? It was also strange from the master’s shoulder that he was given at least a couple of months
    1. +1
      25 August 2023 19: 04
      Without trial and investigation, but with guarantees.
  27. +1
    25 August 2023 07: 49
    For the state, ideal heroes are dead heroes...
    1. 0
      25 August 2023 10: 20
      If this hero is dead, then who is left in Russia at all? Or

      ... for lack of fish and cancer - fish ...
  28. +5
    25 August 2023 08: 23
    The aircraft took off from Russian territory and was blown up over Russian territory. Explosives were planted in Russia. Whoever did this casts a shadow on Russia's security service anyway. The security service should have known about this, and they certainly knew and know. Otherwise, this is not a security service, but bullshit. In this case, now it can be said about any plane taking off from the territory of Russia that it is in danger and can be blown up at any moment. It is only possible in this case to say that it was not the passengers, not the pilots and not the stewardess who carried the explosives on board.
    1. 0
      25 August 2023 09: 38
      Now, when the network is full of photos and videos of the wreckage with characteristic shrapnel damage to the fuselage, the version with an explosion on board can be completely ruled out. Of course the plane was shot down. There are more air defense systems in this area than boletus boletus, so the success of the operation was absolutely guaranteed
      1. +1
        25 August 2023 23: 30
        A direct hit by a surface-to-air missile usually does not occur. It is unlikely that shrapnel can tear off the tail and wing. Therefore, the version with an explosion on board cannot be ruled out. If they shot down, then definitely not by means of air defense, but by an account not related to air defense. This requires special training, for which there was simply no time. Although, in truth, it is not so important. Both versions point to the same reason.
    2. -1
      25 August 2023 10: 22
      Yeltsin, out, and thrown off the bridge.
      And what ? Like water off a duck's back !
  29. +1
    25 August 2023 08: 43
    1. The owner of his word.
    2. Soaked.
    3. Father's reputation = 0.
    Q.E.D...
    1. +3
      25 August 2023 09: 34
      Father's reputation = 0.

      The Old Man guaranteed immunity for Prigozhin, only during the march of the Wagner Cheka column from Moscow to Belarus and after on the territory of Belarus!
      (listen to the interview) ....
      The Old Man fulfilled all his promises, no one touched THEM during the raid of the Wagner Cheka columns across the territory of Russia towards Belarus.
    2. +3
      25 August 2023 10: 26
      With pensions, the "owner" did a great job!
  30. -2
    25 August 2023 10: 01
    It is very similar to a custom article, it is written in the training manual, they say there are many versions, but we don’t know why the plane crashed? Everything is much easier. We have grief, but the enemies have a holiday. And if right away, while the corpse has not yet cooled down, as they say, to plant antimony here about whether there was a boy, whether there was a boy, the stump is clear that the Jesuitry of such onalites suggests that this is just such a job: cast a shadow on the wattle fence!
    1. 0
      25 August 2023 10: 35
      Very much like a stage play. Planes -- darkness , but only this one fell . During the rebellion
      some planes were also shot down. But , personally , I did not see it live .
      As for the reports of the Ministry of Defense and the media - they have no faith! Remember the cruiser "Moscow"!
      And the death of two landing ships with crews, I don’t remember in which port? Only
      recognized almost a year later!
  31. +1
    25 August 2023 16: 03
    they really fought with dignity, but ... not without losses ((someday we will find out more or less accurate data
  32. +5
    25 August 2023 18: 40
    Vladimir Putin has given his word of honor, and he is known for keeping it.

    Well, he made me laugh. Can I remind you about the retirement age?
  33. 0
    28 August 2023 12: 56
    Everything is obvious. Who has Prigozhin, like a bone in his throat? There will be a lot of versions, but we draw conclusions ... There is not one GDP here. Here the whole top, the whole mafia. Prigozhin frightened them so much that they took unpopular measures. The measures are dangerous, terrible, but Prigozhin is more dangerous and more terrible. Now they will chew snot about this, and in the end everything will calm down. Consequences? And the consequences are relatively short to wait ... The chronology is something like this: 1914 - 1917. Hundreds of times described.