How can one relate to the withdrawal of Prigozhin's private army from participating in a special operation


At this critical historical moment in our national life, we, your senior comrades-in-arms, appeal to your feelings of love and devotion to the Motherland and appeal to you with an urgent request to forget all insults, no matter who and wherever they inflicted on you, and voluntarily go with full selflessness and hunting in the Red Army to the front or to the rear, wherever the government of Soviet Workers 'and Peasants' Russia appoints you and serve there not out of fear, but for conscience, so that by your honest service, not sparing your life, to defend at all costs dear to us Russia and prevent its plunder, because, in the latter case, it can irretrievably disappear and then our descendants will justly curse and rightly accuse us because of the selfish feelings of the class struggle we did not use our combat knowledge and experience, they forgot their native Russian people and ruined their Mother Russia.

Appeal of the former Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army Alexei Alekseevich Brusilov "To all former officers, wherever they are."

No, this is again not Mr. Z, who promised to precede each of his analytical publications with an epigraph. The author of this article was inspired to write this article interview one of the commanders of PMC "Wagner" about the future fate of this paramilitary structure.

Oh, that's it!


As you know, the dramatic events of June 23-24, 2023, named by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov "trouble", called into question the future of the largest and most combat-ready private army in the world, which, being in the rear, raised an armed rebellion right during the Ukrainian counteroffensive and sent its columns to Moscow, shooting down helicopters and aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces along the way. Various hypotheses have been put forward in this regard.

It was assumed that some of the “Wagnerites” would still sign an official contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, someone with the National Guard, and the rest would leave for permanent residence in Belarus or go to distant countries, to Africa. The well-known military commander Semyon Pegov published an interview with one of the well-known commanders of this PMC, Anton Elizarov, with the call sign "Lotus", who previously led the operation to liberate Soledar. He said that at present the “musicians” are on vacation, which will last until August, preparing for relocation to Belarus:

In the short term, as I said, we have a lot of work to do. First: we need to rotate the guys in our distant directions, inject new blood. The second and most difficult is exit to Belarus. We have to prepare bases, training grounds, coordinate with local governments and administrations, organize interaction with the law enforcement agencies of Belarus and establish logistics. There is a lot of work and the tasks are not easy, but the more difficult the task, the more interesting it is. I think we can do it.

Regarding whether the private army of Yevgeny Prigozhin would take part in the special operation, Lotos answered as follows:

I am following the situation in Ukraine, and, of course, I am worried about what is happening there. But when they don’t hear you, they ignore all proposals and ways to resolve issues, even when you talk about it to the whole world, then it’s better, probably, sometimes step aside and observe what is happening. Although it is damn insulting and painful when there are ready-made proposals and opportunities for solving the problem, they are brushed aside... As our wise ancestors used to say, let's wait and see. And we will step aside and silently look. But our armored train is on a siding, and we are ready come to the aid of our Motherland and our people when our Russian people call us.

At the same time, the illustrious PMC commander, himself a former paratrooper and Hero of Russia, clarified that Wagner is not just a paramilitary structure, but a kind of analogue of King Arthur's Round Table, where they are all knights with a common ideology of kindness with fists. Lotus explained that most of the “musicians” were “thrown out” from the army by generals and colonels under various pretexts, and therefore most of them are not going to return there in order to sign a contract with Shoigu’s department:

I am now a Hero of Russia, but the Ministry of Defense is still strenuously trying to evict me from the only housing, throw me out on the street, and they do not care about my merits. And after that they think that I will betray the company and its leader, for the sake of mythical social guarantees I will sign a contract with them?

Well, each of the “Wagnerites” has its own story, from a regular military man forced to slam the door because of the internal order in the state army and go into a private one, to a recidivist felon released on bail to redeem his debt to society with blood. We all live in Russia, we know about many of its internal imperfections and have even been in trouble, therefore it is possible to understand the Lotus and its comrades-in-arms in a human way. This is completely sincere and without any arrogance. However, there is another dimension to what is happening around Wagner.

I'm going to my homeland! Let them scream ugly. And we like her! Sleeping Beauty!


Let's not forget that right now the Russian Federation is in a state of severe bloody war of attrition, where its opponent is an entire international coalition of fifty states, including the most economically and industrially developed ones. The very existence of our country is at stake, if suddenly someone does not understand this. The Russian army is now in a state of systemic crisis caused by previous "reforms", and the professional military, who for various reasons went to PMCs, cannot fail to understand this.

But instead of continuing to fight for their country, no matter what claims they had against Shoigu and Gerasimov, right during the Ukrainian counteroffensive they staged a military mutiny in the defenseless rear, which threatened, if successful, to lead to an instant breakaway of a number of regions, starting with the North Caucasus and the national republics, and the collapse of the front in the NVO zone. His stated goal was to keep the private army independent of the military vertical of power, as well as to somehow bring to justice Minister of Defense Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation Gerasimov. At the same time, Russian military pilots died, who fulfilled their military duty to the end, trying to stop the Wagner columns on the way to Moscow. And now the “musicians” are leaving the NWO and are going to move to Belarus and back to Africa.

As they say, but what, it was possible? We want to, we fight, but only on our own terms, and if not, then we arrange a rebellion, and then we disperse on other matters and look from the side, wait until they call back? And what, should we now pity them and ask them to return?

And what about other Russians in the form of the RF Armed Forces, who, perhaps, also do not like much in the army, but they honestly fulfill their duty to the Motherland? Surely, after all, the Ka-52 pilots were not delighted with the order to shoot at their former comrades, but they took an oath and carried it out to the end. Russians, “new” and “old”, have been going for the second year to storm Avdiivka and Maryinka. How would the many fans of Yevgeny Prigozhin and his private army react if our state army began to rebel and did not follow orders that the military would not like?

And think about this, dear friends. President Putin gave the "musicians" a choice: sign a contract with the RF Ministry of Defense and serve the Motherland as it is, or leave for Belarus. And, according to Elizarov, the majority of the “Wagnerites” chose their knightly Round Table with a corporate ideology. The private army, probably the best in the world, voluntarily withdraws from the war, leaving the country and its state army with a bunch of hard problems. At the same time, Wagner is also going to continue to make up for its losses, that is, to recruit strong militant Russian men, who, accordingly, will not sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense and will not fight for Russia. "Wonderful"!

In a good way, it would be necessary to completely liquidate all private armies without exception, transferring the performance of their functions abroad to some analogue of the Private Guard under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Russia, on the other hand, needs to focus on building a combat-ready state army. It seems the most reasonable creation of new units and divisions around veterans of the former People's Militia of the DPR and LPR, who have vast combat experience, the highest motivation and who will not be satisfied with any of the above voiced.
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  1. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 8 July 2023 15: 52
    +32
    Sergei Marzhetsky, it's all right, but you can't put two generals on the same shelf, because General Brusilov is a hero! And General Shoigu - ....

    At the same time, the illustrious PMC commander, himself a former paratrooper and Hero of Russia, clarified that Wagner is not just a paramilitary structure, but a kind of analogue of King Arthur's Round Table, where they are all knights with a common ideology of goodness with fists. Lotos explained that most of the “musicians” were “thrown out” from the army by generals and colonels under various pretexts, and therefore most of them are not going to return there in order to sign a contract with Shoigu’s department

    based on the fact that the Wagnerites do not believe Shoigu, and many citizens have serious questions for him, then you should not speculate on high feelings for the minister who compromised himself - there is honor where it is! And there is nothing to talk about with those who have no honor.
    1. alexandre II Offline alexandre II
      alexandre II (Alexander) 8 July 2023 16: 54
      +24
      Did this minister have any honor at all? And in general, what does he know about the honor of an officer ....
    2. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 8 July 2023 18: 32
      +15
      Quote from: lord-pallador-11045
      based on the fact that the Wagnerites do not believe Shoigu, and many citizens have serious questions for him, then you should not speculate on high feelings for the minister who compromised himself - there is honor where it is! And there is nothing to talk about with those who have no honor.

      Solidarity completely. You can not compare, God's gift, with scrambled eggs. Most of the Wagner specialists "left" the army, not of their own free will. The "deceivers" from the kahala of "SUVs" are evil and have a good memory, and this says one thing, that "to organize a set-up", with the mediocre death of specialists, "like two fingers ..."
      The most optimal option is when the "SUVs" will show their true essence ... "Supreme" puts on them, and the most reasonable thing for "Wagner" to move away in order to eliminate confusion and vacillation in the minds of Russians. The former activities of Wagner were in the interests of Russia, as they are now. But the neglected "reality" dictates the need for "Wagner" to go to the "ambush regiment". The main thing is "at the moment of truth" when the "SUVs" decide to repeat the maneuver of the "Iraqi generals" - to prevent the destruction of Russia.
      If the "SUVs" grow into military generals and lead to the victory of Russia, then they will be HONOR and PRAISE. And "Wagner" will continue to work, in the interests of Russia, abroad.
      1. In passing Offline In passing
        In passing (Galina Rožkova) 9 July 2023 10: 37
        +13
        Parquet will never be combat. They weren't, they aren't, and they won't be. Another essence.
      2. Valerok Offline Valerok
        Valerok (Walery) 12 July 2023 15: 56
        0
        Solidarity completely. You can not compare, God's gift, with scrambled eggs. Most of the Wagner specialists "left" the army, not of their own free will. The "deceivers" from the kahala of "SUVs" are evil and have a good memory, and this says one thing, that "to organize a set-up", with the mediocre death of specialists, "like two fingers ..."
        The most optimal option, when the "SUVs" will show all their true essence ... "Supreme" puts on them, and the most reasonable thing for "Wagner" to move away in order to exclude confusion and vacillation in the minds of Russians. The former activities of Wagner were in the interests of Russia, as they are now. But the neglected "reality" dictates the need for "Wagner" to go to the "ambush regiment". The main thing is "at the moment of truth" when the "SUVs" decide to repeat the maneuver of the "Iraqi generals" - to prevent the destruction of Russia.
        If the SUVs outgrow into military generals, and lead to the victory of Russia, then there will be HONOR and PRAISE to them. And "Wagner" will continue to work, in the interests of Russia, abroad.

        Sorry, so as not to offend, I decided not to destroy, respectively, and not to reduce running system your thought. Just let me dot the "i". Here "without a semantic team" - a chicken and an egg, who is behind whom ...!? And to be honest, they are already tired, "settling at a reflex level", to the point of irritation, "nerve-parasitic-political" judgments, such as: "... The news of the death of the city of Moscow, aroused the wrath of indescribable greatness ..."
        For example, "does not smoke, does not drink, does not swear m ..." will do for a positive personality, but sorry - it's at your leisure. And in business, at work, the specifics of actions and responsibility each official face. Of course, I'm talking about the people who, in the general mass, do not want to answer for anything and still deny the "patriot's duty" given to them.
        1. skeptic Offline skeptic
          skeptic 18 July 2023 00: 08
          0
          Quote: Valerok
          ... let me dot the "i". Here "without a semantic team" - a chicken and an egg, who is behind whom ...!? And to be honest, they are already tired, "settling at a reflex level", to the point of irritation, "nerve-parasitic-political" judgments, such as: "... The news of the death of the city of Moscow, aroused the wrath of indescribable greatness ..."
          For example, "does not smoke, does not drink, does not swear m ...", will do for a positive person, but sorry - this is at your leisure. And in business, at work, the specifics of actions and the responsibility of each official.

          Have you tried to analyze your opus?

          Elderberry in the garden, uncle in Kyiv
          1. Valerok Offline Valerok
            Valerok (Walery) 21 July 2023 17: 04
            0
            If the "SUVs" grow into military generals and lead to the victory of Russia, then they will be HONOR and PRAISE.

            I confess - I am not able to place bets ... hi
    3. Serj Iff Offline Serj Iff
      Serj Iff (Serj Iff) 9 July 2023 08: 02
      +14
      And somehow, quite by accident, the signer of the "grain deal" turned out to be Russian Defense Minister Shoigu. What is the connection between MO and ammonia pipeline?
  2. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 8 July 2023 16: 00
    -12
    The history of the new Russian Federation has shown that the country should have one regular army. The term of conscript service is not less than 2 years. All problems in Russia are created by the Kremlin and its oligarchs. All the activities of the oligarchic authorities are aimed at retaining this authority and continuing to exploit the Russian people. Private armies are created to protect the wealth and power of the capitalists; the private army of a feudal lord does not protect the people. Prigozhin's army in the war is engaged in business, it is not engaged in the defense of the Motherland and Fatherland.
    1. alexandre II Offline alexandre II
      alexandre II (Alexander) 8 July 2023 17: 03
      +18
      You are mistaken, first of all there must be a president who loves and treats his people as relatives and friends, as his family, no matter who this person is by status, an oligarch or a homeless person, he must first of all think a thousand times before taking the oath, but is he ready Am I to this? And Prigozhin was just engaged in the defense of the Motherland and Fatherland, then it was his fault that he was brought to this act, I saw it in Afghanistan, and I understand him perfectly.
      1. Homeless Offline Homeless
        Homeless (Vladimir) 10 July 2023 10: 41
        0
        Cool, he defended his country by staging a rebellion during the conduct of hostilities, before they were shot for it. Stop making a "great defender" out of Prigozhin; he betrayed all those who remained on the line of hostilities!
    2. Homeless Offline Homeless
      Homeless (Vladimir) 10 July 2023 10: 33
      0
      I agree that Russia needs its own strong army, and let private armies be created abroad to make money in Africa!
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 18 July 2023 00: 49
        0
        I won’t argue, but if the army described above simply doesn’t exist at the moment, then it’s not worth shunning all sorts of PMCs for the sake of victory.
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  4. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 8 July 2023 16: 31
    +7
    I appreciate in solidarity the assessment of the current events by the author, especially his final phrase

    Russia, on the other hand, needs to focus on building a combat-ready state army. The most reasonable thing seems to be the creation of new units and subdivisions around veterans of the former People's Militia of the DPR and LPR, who have vast combat experience and the highest motivation.

    Regarding the position of the Wagnerites, I think it is too early to judge their future fate and act on re-forming / disbanding, and even more so to eliminate them as a combat unit. Whether they were needed or not needed - their very existence and vivid participation at the forefront of hostilities is the best criterion for the truth of the decision once made to create this PMC and recruit it to the front. While the process of "building a combat-ready state army" is underway, I believe they will come in handy, but how!
    Regarding the same discard, and join, and reluctantly obey, I can judge only by a saying - you won’t be forced to be nice! Are they mobilized? - No. Are they conscripts? - No. Well, what is the demand from them?
    1. pentwer Offline pentwer
      pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 10 July 2023 14: 10
      +1
      For 33 years we have been building a "combat-ready state army" and nothing! Maybe it's those musicians (Pasha Mercedes, Taburetkin, and the current Biathlete) who are not in their places? PMC showed what a Russian warrior means! It was precisely consisting of people from that army that is still not being built in any way, Having gathered from the army, without these grief leaders, they showed the real Russian army
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 18 July 2023 00: 51
        0
        Quote: Pentuer
        33 years we build everything

        Well, actually, at least 10 of these 33 years were first destroyed.
  5. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 8 July 2023 16: 53
    +7
    I personally think that the true goals, such as the rebellion of the musicians, were far from the official ones. And judging by the development of events - they did achieve them ..
  6. Pembo Offline Pembo
    Pembo 8 July 2023 17: 12
    +16
    President Putin gave the "musicians" the choice to sign a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry and serve the Motherland as it is,

    Motherland is what it is. People do not care what kind of homeland they have, especially since some have a better memory than guppy fish and they still remember their homeland somewhat differently. With a different constitution, other laws, where, for example, there was a turnout threshold and a count against everyone, and treason to the motherland was interpreted quite specifically, and not as it is now, as causing harm to the country. In this interpretation, according to this article, the entire leadership of our country should be imprisoned for 25 years, and those who criticize this leadership are imprisoned. In the seventeenth year, the people, both sitting in the trenches and in the country, asked themselves the question, what kind of homeland is he fighting for, what are the goals of the war? And he did not find an answer and did not want to fight. Wagner is the first call. Do you plug your ears, don't want to hear? Hear the bell ringing across Russia.
  7. oleg Pesotsky Offline oleg Pesotsky
    oleg Pesotsky (Oleg Pesotsky) 8 July 2023 17: 23
    +35
    The author has an amazing swing. One article is completely logical, sensible and consistent, the other is such that the jaw falls off. It looks like it's written by two different people. And if to the point, then Sergey regrets the downed helicopter pilots but does not mention dozens of Wagnerites who died from fire from the RF Armed Forces (which is how it all actually started) He is also silent about the fact that the pilots of the 4th Air Army refused to fly out to strike at the Wagner columns On the ground, not a single shot was fired at the PMC fighters. And people in Rostov met them, if not with flowers, then quite cordially. And now about motivation: the author directly speaks about the mess and chaos now happening in the army, this is not a secret, but the problem is that the people who arranged all this did not bear any responsibility for this. Conclusions are not made measures are not taken guilty instead of punishment received awards and promotions. Well, who will go there to serve? I have long noticed that it is those who brought this very fatherland to such a state that the loudest yelling about the fact that the fatherland is in danger. In fact, it was not a rebellion, it was a conflict between Prigozhin and Shoigu. Between new and old. Shoigu and the old rotten system won, but it was not Prigozhin who lost, Russia lost.
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    2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 10 July 2023 05: 59
      +4
      The author has an amazing swing. One article is completely logical, sensible and consistent, the other is such that the jaw falls off.

      And I agree with your conclusions regarding Shoigu's victory.

      At the same time, Wagner is also going to continue to make up for its losses, that is, to recruit strong militant Russian men, who, accordingly, will not sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense and will not fight for Russia.

      Yes, because Wagner can provide the families of these people with a decent life. That is, what the current government cannot give.
      Our people have long lost the war for Russia to the rulers of the country. To everyone before and, I'm afraid, to everyone after.
    3. guest Offline guest
      guest 18 July 2023 00: 58
      0
      Prigogine, of course, is right in many things, but the time he chose for this conflict was not the most successful. He would have arranged all this before the start of the NWO, because then a lot was already visible, or after the end one could argue, but now he has worked for the enemy.
  8. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 8 July 2023 17: 39
    +12
    How can one relate to the withdrawal of Prigozhin's private army from participating in a special operation

    I thought I would read something new from the author, who probably published 10 articles about Wagner here and it turned out:

    But instead of continuing to fight for their country, no matter what claims they had against Shoigu and Gerasimov, right during the Ukrainian counteroffensive they staged a military mutiny in the defenseless rear, which threatened, if successful, to lead to an instant breakaway of a number of regions, starting with the North Caucasus and the national republics, and the collapse of the front in the NVO zone. His stated goal was to keep the private army independent of the military vertical of power, as well as to somehow bring to justice Minister of Defense Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation Gerasimov. At the same time, Russian military pilots died, who fulfilled their military duty to the end, trying to stop the Wagner columns on the way to Moscow. And now the “musicians” are leaving the NWO and are going to move to Belarus and back to Africa.

    As they say, but what, it was possible? We want to, we fight, but only on our own terms, and if not, then we arrange a rebellion, and then we disperse on other matters and look from the side, wait until they call back? And what, should we now pity them and ask them to return?

    again sucking on the topic of rebellion and accusations.

    And think about this, dear friends. President Putin gave the "musicians" the choice to sign a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry and serve the Motherland

    If the entire Wagner group is transferred under the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, it will lose 90 percent of its professionalism, since in PMCs they decide everything quickly, together with company and platoon commanders, and even the opinions of soldiers are taken into account.
    So I think they are:

    And, according to Elizarov, the majority of the “Wagnerites” chose their knightly Round Table with a corporate ideology. Private army, probably the best in the world, voluntarily withdraws from the war

    One can argue about leaving the war. They are now settling in a new place and, as they said, at the first call, they are ready to come and defend our country.

    At the same time, Wagner is also going to continue to make up for its losses, that is, to recruit strong militant Russian men, who, accordingly, will not sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense

    So there will be some reasons to make a choice in favor of PMCs

    and will not fight for Russia. "Wonderful"!

    Well, these are the thoughts of the author and at the moment they are not supported by anything
    PYSY: Ostashko writes that today all the leaders of Azov, who were supposed to be there until the end of the conflict, are returning from Turkey to Ukraine.
    Interesting friends of our country, isn't it?

    Right before the broadcast, news came that the commanders of Azov banned in Russia had returned to Ukraine. So get connected, we will find out together what the story is. We will also discuss the grain deal and other topics
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  9. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 8 July 2023 17: 40
    -13
    In general, Cord sang about the fact that they already zadolbali with the theme of Wagner

    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 8 July 2023 22: 42
      +6
      Quote: Valera75
      sang Cord

      Cord, cord ... but blew like a lace from the master's boot. Does money smell?
    2. pentwer Offline pentwer
      pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 10 July 2023 14: 01
      0
      Is this the Cord that has "Silicone eggs"?
  10. Vlad55 Offline Vlad55
    Vlad55 8 July 2023 18: 18
    +12
    Well, Mr. Marzhetsky does not want to be objective, and that's it. Yes, the pilots of military vehicles died, but what were those who they poured their rockets and bombs on to do? Apparently the author believes that they had to die meekly.
    The author from article to article calls to condemn the rioters, but the Russian Defense Ministry is no less guilty of bringing the situation to a riot, the Minister of Defense should have resigned at least, but the Kremlin did it predictably, we don’t hand over our own, we’ll sweep the trouble under the rug.
    Consequently, little will change in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it is understandable to condemn the Wagners for their unwillingness to return to such an inefficiently managed structure, well, they do not want to die for their Motherland under incompetent command.
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have undoubtedly lost a very effective unit, whether this loss will have an impact on the course of the company - we'll see.
    1. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 8 July 2023 22: 33
      -2
      If in the war with Hitler they argued - "to die or not to die for the Motherland" depending on the effectiveness of the command, I'm afraid we would not have won the war. Or rather, thinkers would simply be shot. But this is so - a side note to a weak argument.
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      2. Pembo Offline Pembo
        Pembo 9 July 2023 11: 36
        +11
        The Great Patriotic War was not a war with Hitler for the occupation of East Prussia, but a war for the existence of the country and the people. Goals are different.
        1. strange guest Offline strange guest
          strange guest (Strange Guest) 9 July 2023 14: 48
          0
          So it is now - the existence of the country and the people depends on the outcome of the NWO. Is not it?
          1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
            Peter rybak (Patrol) 10 July 2023 06: 05
            +1
            So it is now - the existence of the country and the people depends on the outcome of the NWO. Is not it?

            Alas, that's right.
            I'm afraid the authorities are not yet aware of this, hoping very much for the police and the National Guard.
      3. Uncle Vlad Offline Uncle Vlad
        Uncle Vlad (Uncle Vlad) 13 July 2023 19: 49
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        Yeah, they didn’t argue in VO with Hitler for 38 million people .. Mekhlis Perekop passed in 3 days in 1941, and at 43 they broke through for a whole month.
    2. Russophile Offline Russophile
      Russophile (Igor) 9 July 2023 07: 50
      -11
      And they did not need to decide, with weapons in their hands, questions of justice for one or, rather, for a group of non-comrades. Then there would be no turntables.
      Interestingly, among the left-wing passports found in Prigozhin's hut, was Makhno the last name?
      1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
        Peter rybak (Patrol) 10 July 2023 06: 06
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        Interestingly, among the left-wing passports found in Prigozhin's hut, was Makhno the last name?

        Do you mean the passports that were thrown into Prigozhin's office shortly before?
        Or do you not know how services work in our country?
    3. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 9 July 2023 15: 05
      +2
      According to your logic, when the 2nd shock surrendered, the leadership of the Moscow Region should have resigned. Yes, and the 2nd Army Commander himself had every right to withdraw from this breakthrough operation - after all, it was objectively conceived and provided very badly.
  11. Nike Offline Nike
    Nike (Nikolai) 8 July 2023 18: 36
    +14
    President Putin gave the "musicians" the choice to sign a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry

    Mr. Marzhetsky, do you not admit that this is a death sentence for the Wagnerites who agree to sign it? They will be thrown into the very inferno and, I admit, covered by mistake" "friendly fire" And that's it, no people, no problems
  12. Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 8 July 2023 19: 25
    +17
    I regret that "Wagner" got out of the war with the Wehrmacht's coming out! I'm really sorry ! But I do not blame the "Wagnerites"! I understand them! How much meanness could be tolerated!? Excellent fighters were brought to the limit of patience, humiliated, mixed with shit, slandered! How to treat? Whoever understands will react like that! But I'm not one of those who stuck to the sewer of pro-Kremlin propaganda and "enjoys"!
    1. Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 9 July 2023 19: 18
      +6
      PS Today I read on the channel of Valery Niminushchiy the information that

      blatant revelations of Prigogine,

      demonstrated by the TV channel "Russia-1", turned out to be fake, bullshit! Remember those "revelations" that talked about drugs "found" in Prigozhin's "apartments", wigs, pictures of severed heads, "mountains" of gold bars ... and other cores? It turned out to be a fake from the Kremlin propaganda!
  13. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 8 July 2023 22: 29
    +4
    And I would not call the DPR and LPR a model for building a new one, from which all of Russia should take an example and put local "rulers" in leadership positions in the Russian Federation. That's honest. I've heard a lot of "interesting" things.
    1. Russophile Offline Russophile
      Russophile (Igor) 9 July 2023 11: 33
      0
      My niece's husband is from Lugansk. In 2014, he volunteered for service. Then a wound and a severe concussion. He also said a lot of interesting things.
      And just recently, my friend and colleague Sashka Chernov returned from there. He brought such examples of "brotherly love" to us and to Russia in general - the ears wither. Moreover, Sasha was never a balabol, he only talked about what he personally encountered.
    2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 10 July 2023 06: 09
      -1
      And I would not call the DPR and LPR a model for building a new ...

      And here I agree.
  14. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 8 July 2023 23: 07
    +7
    For the first time I learned that the fulfillment of the oath and duty to the Motherland involves shooting at their comrades and civilians following in the same column with Wagner, in my time there was no such oath, and those pilots who refused to shoot, what happened to them? Tribunal meeting? or court-martial quick and fair. A shame! Even senators are enthusiastically broadcasting that the West has supported us. Prigogine is a terrorist, as if saliva from delight did not choke, in the West, of course.
    1. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
      Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 9 July 2023 17: 30
      +5
      What to say? You need to find a country with other people, In the West, Wagner was recognized as a terrorist organization, probably your place is there, because, in your words, they are "really not crazy people" if they think like you. I'm just citing well-known facts, if a person is called "really insane" for stating the facts, then I involuntarily begin to doubt the adequacy of the opponent. I don’t need to write that I’m turning everything upside down, by the way, why Putin didn’t please you, you still strive to attribute to Prigozhin what he did not do. There was talk about the Moscow Region and the National Guard, but not about Putin.
      1. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
        Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 10 July 2023 17: 54
        0
        Mr. Marzhetsky, if Russia, as you write, is your country, then I don’t understand why you stubbornly raise the topic of the so-called “rebellion” of Prigozhin, inciting the hostility of one group of the population to another. I think it’s excusable for me to write like that, because, according to you, I’m “really crazy”, and I like Prigogine’s victorious real madness more than a cowardly flight from the problems of the front of the Moscow Region and the National Guard.
  15. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 9 July 2023 07: 03
    +4
    Both the article and the comments are so far from the truth that there is even no desire to write anything. Some are given a choice, others nothing. Of course, Africa is more important than Ukraine. Our population is such gardens that you can fight in every corner of the globe. While all. All health!
  16. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 9 July 2023 07: 07
    +1
    “Even those of us who knew about the vices of our government… who despised the hypocrisy of politics — we felt that we must fight. Because every Russian who survived the revolution and the thirties felt a light breeze of hope, for the first time in the history of our people. We felt like a sprout breaking through centuries of rocky soil. It seemed to us that there was very little left before the open sky. We knew that we would surely die. But our children will receive two gifts: a country free from the conqueror, and a time in which ideals will arise.
  17. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 9 July 2023 07: 14
    -12
    The memory of the people can be killed only together with the people. We will never forget those who tore their veins at countless crossings, who burst into burned cities, who burned in tanks, who said goodbye to their comrades in the last peak, who threw themselves from the trenches under hurricane fire, who lay down with their chests on the embrasure, who dragged from the field fighting a comrade, who, with a bunch of grenades, threw himself under enemy tanks, who did not spare his life and overcame everything. Not for the sake of stripes and distinctions, but for the honor and freedom of the country, so that no one in the world would impose their will on us. The best among them did not know bravado; on the contrary, they well remembered the incredible price of victory, the unthinkability of efforts, the innumerable victims. They would never have won if their orders had not been taken as their own soldiers in the trenches, a tanker in armor and a pilot in the sky - people from the bench and the plow. After all, before the Motherland we are all equal.

    Commander Wagner wants to stand aside. It's his choice. Let him say thank you that President Putin is in the country. Stalin would have shot him.
    1. In passing Offline In passing
      In passing (Galina Rožkova) 9 July 2023 10: 48
      +5
      It's not that kind of war. It's not that kind of war. This is a completely different war.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 9 July 2023 14: 04
        0
        This is exactly the same war. And it is simply impossible not to understand this. The aim of the war for the West is the return of Russia to the colony of the West. At a minimum, the dismemberment of Russia, and at the maximum its complete destruction. For me, this is beyond doubt.
        1. Caruso Offline Caruso
          Caruso 9 July 2023 22: 44
          +5
          It would be interesting to know the goals of the Russian government in this war. Whose side are they on? So with the Azov people they got into trouble again, well, who would have thought!
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 July 2023 10: 52
            0
            What exactly did they "get into trouble" with the Azov people?
            Did Erdogan accurately calculate the consequences of his demarche? In the case of the Minsk agreements, with the grain deal, with the Azov people, it was the West that got into trouble. Yes, they received a short-term bonus and a PR campaign. What about the consequences?
            All these actions completely eliminate the possibility of negotiations with the West. The signatures of Western leaders are no longer worth anything. These are the long-term consequences. Now Russia will negotiate only on one condition. Since the signatures of the leaders of Germany, France, the United States, Turkey are worth nothing, they cannot be parties to the negotiations. Russia will be satisfied with a real guarantee of the fulfillment of the agreements. And only Russian military bases (on a temporary basis) along the western borders of Ukraine can give such a guarantee.
            I really hope that the Russian Foreign Ministry sets precisely such conditions.
    2. Lomlad Offline Lomlad
      Lomlad (Alex) 9 July 2023 11: 43
      +8
      Under Stalin, there was no such bureaucracy, irresponsibility, nepotism and negligence of higher, as, indeed, lower officials. Under him, there were no gentlemen, oligarchs, bourgeois and compradors in the country, as well as simply social parasites. No one has made huge, and even simply large fortunes at the expense of the people and the natural wealth of the Motherland, as it is now. As for executions, they shot, and also imprisoned, or at least removed from management not businesslike, enterprising, effective figures, such as Prigogine, but, on the contrary, passive, incapable and unprofessional ones, like his opponents from the Moscow Region. And the ministers of defense under Stalin were professional soldiers. Therefore, under Stalin, the country successfully developed and defeated even stronger enemies, but now it is degrading and cannot defeat even much weaker ones.
    3. Killed by Kenobi 9 July 2023 15: 14
      +3
      Perhaps Stalin would have shot or sent to camps
    4. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
      Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 10 July 2023 18: 04
      0
      Prigozhin was replaced, you know the word Rotation, and they are naturally on the sidelines, and even in another country Belarus, where they come to their senses replenish supplies and prepare for new battles.
  18. Russophile Offline Russophile
    Russophile (Igor) 9 July 2023 07: 34
    -2
    Probably the first time I agree with the author. It is clear that he is in pain for everything that happened. However, Shoigu is not to blame for the fact that the guys were thrown out of the army in such a boorish way. It was Serdyukov who reformed his dear. And who prepared this reform? S. Ivanov. It was he who carried out the revision of the army economy (only he flew to our Novaya Zemlya training ground twice in a short time - in 2002 and 2006). And the conclusions and recommendations of this audit formed the basis for the reform of the next MO. But who gave Serdyukov carte blanche to act so brazenly and categorically, and then covered him up from a criminal offense - think for yourself.
    The last three Ministers of Defense did not belong to the army in any way, but they were free to select assistants and performers at their discretion. So they chose not professional, but comfortable and obedient. Mark on the face.
    My personal attitude to the current one is twofold: as a minister - sharply negative, as a person - with sympathy. But a good guy, as you know, is not a profession. Especially when a good guy, not a pro, is in such a difficult position...
    1. Alexander Tutunenko (Alexander Tutunenko) 9 July 2023 18: 22
      +9
      Russophile, where was Putin when Taburetkin ruined the army? Probably taught the cranes to fly or fiddled with the cubs, without removing the noodles from Macron from their ears.
    2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 10 July 2023 06: 15
      +2
      However, Shoigu is not to blame for the fact that the guys were thrown out of the army in such a boorish way.

      What does Shoigu have to do with it? During the years that these people have been in power, for the money that was pumped out of our depths, appropriated or stolen by representatives and friends of this government, it was possible to build an army, the equal of which humanity would not know for another hundred years to come.
  19. friar Offline friar
    friar (truth-reader) 9 July 2023 07: 38
    -9
    How hard it is to realize that I have to live among such narrow-minded people who praise and defend the Wagnerian trick as much as most of the commentators on this article. A year ago, none of them really knew who Prigozhin was and what Wagner really was. How easily dust was thrown into their eyes and they began to praise him, forgetting about the rest of the real warriors who defend our country, despite their dissatisfaction with this or that.
    It is disgusting to live among such people, with the emotions and level of thinking of teenagers, they set themselves as their idols a bandit-oligarch with a criminal past and with Urkov's boorish habits.
    Admire further your idol, who lives for the sake of his enrichment. Don't forget to pass on to the authorities the sharp fall of the ruble after its campaign, when once again you begin to resent the prices.
    1. Russophile Offline Russophile
      Russophile (Igor) 9 July 2023 11: 00
      +3
      Don't play the fool, it's hard for him, you see. When Wagner was cut down in Syria or in the same Africa, were they probably glad? And in this war they showed themselves with dignity - was that also to your liking?
      Learn to separate the wheat from the chaff before reading morals to the people. And then a prosecutor and a critic turned up, a sort of Prigozhin No. 2 of the county type
    2. Valera75 Offline Valera75
      Valera75 (Valery) 9 July 2023 13: 24
      +9
      Quote from friar
      How hard it is to realize that I have to live among such narrow-minded people who praise and defend the Wagnerian trick as much as most of the commentators on this article. A year ago, none of them really knew who Prigozhin was and what Wagner really was. How easily dust was thrown into their eyes and they began to praise him, forgetting about the rest of the real warriors who defend our country, despite their dissatisfaction with this or that.
      It is disgusting to live among such people, with the emotions and level of thinking of teenagers, they set themselves as their idols a bandit-oligarch with a criminal past and with Urkov's boorish habits.
      Admire further your idol, who lives for the sake of his enrichment. Don't forget to pass on to the authorities the sharp fall of the ruble after its campaign, when once again you begin to resent the prices.

      I have known about Wagner since 2016 how they fought in Syria, they were also in the LDNR when they drove dill into the Debaltsevo and Ilovaisky boilers with the Donbass fighters. and they didn’t help. I also remember how they had to take Palmyra, because it was captured by a hundred bearded men in pickup trucks when, after the first capture of Palmyra, Wagner was expelled from there, they were generally expelled from Syria, wearing awards and erased from memory about PMCs. They also helped take Popasnaya, they took Soledar, they took Bakhmut, while gaining time so that the army would create a powerful line of defense, thanks to which our soldiers are now beating the enemy, well, in Wagner’s bakhmut, they ground motivated Natsiks and equipment. It’s a shame for you to live when Wagner PMC did this, but you are not ashamed to live apparently when they do this at the top?
    3. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
      Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 10 July 2023 18: 21
      0
      Pravdorub! It's hard for you to live among narrow-minded people, believe me, and it's hard for us to talk with people who are far from understanding what is happening. Cons tell you that you are still far from perfect, so hit the road in search of perfection, but if people with the opposite point of view are disgusting to you, analyze both your behavior and your attitude towards such people, perhaps it’s not about them, but personally You.?
  20. Serj Iff Offline Serj Iff
    Serj Iff (Serj Iff) 9 July 2023 08: 28
    +7
    .... But when they don’t hear you, they ignore all the proposals and ways to resolve issues .... Although it’s damn insulting and painful when there are ready-made proposals and opportunities for solving the problem, but they are brushed aside ... (Lotus)

    In PMC "Wagner" there are not whipping boys, there are generals, colonels, Heroes of Russia, who have vast combat experience, but they don't want to listen to them. So where is the betrayal? Whose side?

    ... I am now a Hero of Russia, but the Ministry of Defense is still strenuously trying to evict me from the only housing, throw me out on the street, and they do not care about my merits. And after that they think that I will sign a contract with them? (Lotus)

    Who is right and who is wrong here?
    And we must clearly distinguish between Prigozhin and the "council of commanders" Prigozhin is the owner of the Wagner PMC, but the "best assault infantry" is fighting. Yes, and Prigozhin was constantly at the forefront, but we did not see Shoigu and Gerasimov there. So we flew by helicopter for an hour and to Moscow, in warm slippers.
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  22. depavel Offline depavel
    depavel (Pavel Pavlovich) 9 July 2023 09: 20
    +5
    Any official must meet official requirements! Therefore, no one declared the events of June 24 to be a criminal showdown between the presidential protege Shoigu, the president is connected with the community and his criminal case with rare earth metals and Prigozhin, who is not an ordinary inmate, is covered up. No one denies this, such as "transfer arrows" to rebellion. In the Moscow Region and other departments, appointees en masse create social tension.
  23. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 July 2023 09: 40
    +7
    The author still presents his judgments as the ultimate truth.
    "raised an armed rebellion", "began to rebel and disobey orders", "President Putin gave the "musicians" a choice", etc.

    Meanwhile, Prigozhin and Co. in St. Petersburg returned the money and jewelry. So it's definitely not a rebellion. And the words of different people are there ... but who believes them now ...
    And the law on PMCs has not yet been adopted, it seems. It turns out - on the bird's rights as before.

    And meanwhile, where to go to the officers and soldiers of the LDNR Militia dismissed from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, what was written about?
    Where did they get fired? Seriously?
    Or to the mines of the new boyars for a beggarly wage and without safety measures?

    Rather, in PMCs, where it is shameless to serve even Amerov's Generals (wrote in the media), to the Hero three times.
  24. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 9 July 2023 11: 03
    +5
    But Wagner fulfilled the order, fulfilled his task. In military state service. What is there and how it was in this "mutiny", in fact, they will not tell us. Now they are being reformed. Let's see what's next, it does not depend on us. But the thoughts of the author of the article are surprising that those who "left" from there will return to the army. Here I would never. That someone (who?) will build a new army, what, another one? Still, there is a glimmer of hope that healthy forces, and even against the backdrop of the war, will purify the army ...
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 9 July 2023 12: 38
      +4
      Quote: In passing
      But the thoughts of the author of the article are surprising that those who "left" from there will return to the army. Here I would never. That someone (who?) will build a new army, what, another one? Still, there is a glimmer of hope that healthy forces, and even against the backdrop of the war, will purify the army ...

      If we give analogies from history, then what happened can be compared with the "response" to the bestial attitude of the command towards the sailors, the battleship "Potemkin" in 1905 .. More precisely, it could have happened if the "Wagner" had not protected itself from "reprisal royal lackeys."

      If we consider the structure of "decision making" in Wagner, then THESE people. and there is that healthy force. cleansing the army and the country.
      I really want to believe that around this organization, can grow Russian Renaissance Party, until 2024 .. (If they develop immunity to overcome corruption and embezzlement, for all levels of government, as well as filtering from rogues).
  25. Andrey Kamenotesov (Andrey Kamenotesov) 9 July 2023 12: 23
    +3
    But how convenient it is to call on others to go to their death, substituting their stinky ass under the Turkish sun ...
  26. stepanhitri Offline stepanhitri
    stepanhitri (Vladimir Neshimenko) 9 July 2023 13: 16
    -7
    Lotus is right

    ... step aside and observe what is happening from the side."

    Let these characters from PMCs watch from somewhere else, preferably from Africa. Who betrayed you, who will believe you?
    1. pentwer Offline pentwer
      pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 10 July 2023 13: 51
      0
      And who did they betray and surrender? And what is this betrayal?
      That is, while the enemy troops were fighting and grinding, everything was normal! And they entered the legal rotation, so "Get out" ???
  27. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 9 July 2023 13: 26
    -8
    The words rebellion, rebellion, slam the door, but the author did not reveal the real reason for the behavior of PMC Prigogine, everything is around and around. Prigozhin’s campaign against Moscow, it was a “strelka”, the disassembly of Prigozhin-Putin, everything is like in the 1990s, differs only in scale and in the fact that the entire population of the Russian Federation began to interfere in it, passively - actively, and also because Putin was supported by the United States. PMC Wagner is a business company and it is not engaged in the defense of the Motherland, Fatherland, and it is not necessary to attribute to it what it is not obliged to do. All activities of PMCs are aimed at making money, protecting their owner and his money, i.e. oligarch.
    1. In passing Offline In passing
      In passing (Galina Rožkova) 9 July 2023 14: 28
      +4
      And you will say it to the face of the one who took Soledar and Bakhmut?
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  29. Killed by Kenobi 9 July 2023 15: 03
    +4
    If you want to hire a good employee, satisfy his conditions and requests.
    If you don't want a result, if you don't want to create conditions - take just anyone and don't complain and don't appeal to your conscience. They also offered ways to resolve and negotiate. They do not hear and do not want to hear.
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    1. pentwer Offline pentwer
      pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 10 July 2023 13: 45
      +1
      I agree with you. We cannot personally oppose the author and it turns out that he has the last word
  32. Sergey Sergey_2 Offline Sergey Sergey_2
    Sergey Sergey_2 (Sergey Sergey) 9 July 2023 19: 37
    -3
    the “patriots” were offended by the authorities ... “don’t play with my toys and don’t pee in my pot” ... the war will end and then we’ll see what assessment will be given to the once formidable force that went to Belarus and sits gloating ... how much can you chew snot?
  33. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 9 July 2023 19: 59
    +1
    Wagner is a perennial brainchild of the GRU and what is on his tongue is in the minds of the rest of the army. It is not in vain that the main slogan thrown by Prigogine to Moscow that was dancing and thinking only about grandmothers, "Justice", resonated not only with Wagner. The fact that at a critical moment the shock part of the army was lost is bad, but the fighters should not be blamed. The game that led to this situation was not played by them. There were too many unclear decisions before. They caused a reaction. So far, it is not clear that someone was looking for solutions to get out of the situation.
  34. friar Offline friar
    friar (truth-reader) 9 July 2023 20: 35
    -2
    Quote: Valera75
    Are you ashamed to live when Wagner PMC did this, but aren't you ashamed to live apparently when they do this at the top?

    First, I know about them before you and a little more and more precisely. Secondly, I know how and who created and sponsored them, and also that Prigogine is just a protege there. When you praise him and kick him to the top, it shows that you are a sofa expert with an education from the Internet, which was processed by the Olginians. Although ... it is quite possible that you yourself are an Olginian
  35. friar Offline friar
    friar (truth-reader) 9 July 2023 23: 04
    -6
    Prigozhin threw a drop of discord into society and those who took his position are, in fact, the Bolsheviks (and in real life - the Mensheviks) of modern Russia, who want a revolution and the collapse of the country.
    We are experienced people, adults who survived the collapse of the USSR, not poorly educated, well-mannered and well-trained in sports, and at the same time not bad at shooting, we will give you such a rebuff that you will regret for a long time that you decided to hurt the peace of our families
    1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 10 July 2023 06: 22
      -1
      Blah blah blah.
      We are all from the USSR. And I do not see those who want to fight back those who decided to hurt the peace of our families more than 20 years ago.

      survived the collapse of the USSR, not poorly educated

      The abbreviation of the USSR is written in capital letters, and "not bad" - together.
    2. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
      Grei grin (Gray Grin) 11 July 2023 23: 02
      +1
      The USSR is written in capital letters, you are our pytriot from the party, and it was not Prigozhin who started the discord and betrayal of the country 30 years ago, but those who are now rowing with a shovel selling everything to the enemies on the cheap! As they say, to whom is war, and to whom is mother dear!
  36. Lieutenant reserve (Vasiliy) 10 July 2023 06: 20
    +1
    There was a time when I worked in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I saw enough of the idiots in uniform there and it became so sick that I quit. As the proverb says: - I would be glad to serve, it is sickening to serve. In the police, as in the army, in order to climb the career ladder, you don’t have to be a hero and go on the attack, you just need to be good at licking the asses of those who are higher in rank. At the same time, all the successes in the army and in the police are due, first of all, to simple hard workers, who win victories with blood and sweat, fight competently and protect personnel. There are only one or two of our generals who fit into this category. But on a grand scale we play tanks, build temples and steal wherever you can steal. If the right conclusions are not drawn after Wagner's march, the price of this power and the president is worthless.
  37. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 10 July 2023 06: 47
    +3
    Sergey, the first time I completely disagree with you. March of justice PMC "Wagner" is an attempt to prevent the betrayal of the Russian world.
  38. Lieutenant reserve (Vasiliy) 10 July 2023 09: 00
    +1
    Quote from friar
    How hard it is to realize that I have to live among such narrow-minded people who praise and defend the Wagnerian trick as much as most of the commentators on this article. A year ago, none of them really knew who Prigozhin was and what Wagner really was.

    For at least a decade, this company defended Russia's interests in different parts of the world, and millions of people, and not only in Russia, knew about its activities. Silence - in your case, would have come down as a sign of mind.
  39. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 10 July 2023 11: 35
    -2
    Prigozhin wanted to return huge contracts with the state, which he began to be denied by forceful extortion. He did not understand who refused him, he decided that only Shoigu and Gerasimov. Without money, he will be blown away in a few weeks.
  40. pentwer Offline pentwer
    pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 10 July 2023 13: 42
    +1
    The fact that Sergei Marzhetsky so clung to Wagner and personally to Prigozhin is already annoying. Wouldn't it be nice to write an article about what services to Malta, or to whom else, did our minister receive the Order of Malta? Ali would conduct an investigation and inform us about what services to the country or the Moscow Region for the first time in the history of mankind, the 26-year-old girl Makarovskaya received the rank of general, and there are still women generals .... We probably won’t wait. But the theme of Wagner is heaped upon them with great zeal.
  41. Sergey Sergey_2 Offline Sergey Sergey_2
    Sergey Sergey_2 (Sergey Sergey) 10 July 2023 14: 11
    0
    they already met with Putin, so you don’t have to guess on the coffee grounds when they tell you, but for now, carefully watch TV ...
  42. Lieutenant reserve (Vasiliy) 10 July 2023 15: 07
    0
    Quote: Pentuer
    for what services to the country or the Moscow Region for the first time in the history of mankind, a 26-year-old girl Makarovskaya received the rank of general, and there are also women generals ....

    There is no need to guess, "For reliability", like the AK-47.
  43. Flight Online Flight
    Flight (voi) 11 July 2023 00: 48
    0
    Quote from: lord-pallador-11045
    Sergei Marzhetsky, it's all right, but you can't put two generals on the same shelf, because General Brusilov is a hero! And General Shoigu - ....

    based on the fact that the Wagnerites do not believe Shoigu, and many citizens have serious questions for him, then you should not speculate on high feelings for the minister who compromised himself - there is honor where it is! And there is nothing to talk about with those who have no honor.
    Apparently, it is impossible to compare a military general and an official, even if they are in uniform. Does anyone know the Minister of Defense under Nicholas the Bloody?
  44. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 11 July 2023 22: 58
    0
    And to put it bluntly, the Wagners want to serve the people, and not the thieves in power who ruined their country and robbed the people!
  45. Navigator Offline Navigator
    Navigator (Andrei) 12 July 2023 13: 53
    +1
    Solid double standards. Helicopters firing indiscriminately at Wagner and civilians are heroes. PMCs are traitors. Plus from management earned.