"Volunteer" automated control systems that provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine with an advantage over the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

April 10 2023 32

Unpleasant, but true: over the past year since the start of the NMD, it turned out that the Ukrainian army is much better controlled at the tactical level than the Russian one. This is usually explained by the active militarytechnical with the help of the NATO bloc, which provides intelligence and processes it with the help of artificial intelligence. However, this is far from the whole truth.

About how the American artificial intelligence Palantir helps the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the battlefield, we told previously. Also we concerned the history of the issue of the very concept of network-centric warfare, which originated precisely in the USSR, and what developments in this area the Soviet army had. We will devote this publication directly to Ukrainian developments in the field of military command, over which in our jingoistic environment from 2014 to February 24, 2022, it was customary to scoff merrily.

Delta

The first APU control program that deserves mention is called Delta. It is designed to provide information support for decisions and situational awareness on the battlefield. Development began back in 2017 by one of the departments of the Ministry of Defense of Nezalezhnaya, and since 2018 it has actually been tested in the zone of the Ukrainian terrorist operation in the Donbass.

In fact, Delta is both a real-time online control map and a command and control center, like in some strategic computer game. The system integrates intelligence from various sources, such as satellites, radars, sensors and cameras, aerial reconnaissance, radio intercepts, etc. Each Ukrainian soldier can enter his data on a common map and view information entered by others. Each user is assigned his own access level, corresponding to his combat missions and rank. For interaction between different units, the enemy has its own secure messenger called Element.

Delta is extremely convenient for planning operations, as it allows you to see in real time where the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces themselves are standing, as well as provide military logistics. On February 4, 2023, the program was officially adopted by the Ukrainian army. There are different versions about its origin.

In 2022, Delta was hacked by the Donbass hacker group Joker DPR, which claimed that the military program had American roots. When it was developed by programmers from the Center for Innovation and Development of Defense Technologies of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, NATO standards and such trends as cloud native environment, zero trust security, multi domain operations were used. Interestingly, this Innovation Center was created in 2021 on the basis of the military unit A2724, which arose on the basis of the Aerorozvidka (Aerorazvedka) volunteer group.

ACS "Nettle"

Ukrainian volunteers also played their role in the development of another very effective software product, which is being used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with might and main. This is the infamous Krapiva automatic artillery control system, which the NM LDNR and the RF Armed Forces had to face.

Seriously to fight against Russia, Nezalezhnaya began to prepare after the events of 2014. Someone weaved camouflage nets, others raised funds for the purchase of bulletproof vests and thermal imagers for the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And Ukrainian programmers undertook to help their military, complaining about the lack of up-to-date maps, by developing appropriate software. First, they created a specialized geographic information system based on satellite images. Then they developed a ballistic calculator for their terrorist gunners, which allowed them to reduce the aiming time to 40 seconds. By 2016, the Krapiva automated control system had formed into an integrated system, and from 2018 to this day it has been actively used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

"Krapiva" combines all means of reconnaissance, communications and fire control into a single information network. Using intelligence received from various sources, the gunner on a regular Chinese-made tablet puts a dot on the online map, the coordinates of which are promptly struck. This takes into account the type of terrain, weather data and the type of ammunition used. Thanks to the Krapiva, the deployment time of an artillery battery is reduced from 14 minutes to 3, the time required to prepare to hit an unplanned target from 3 to 1 minute, to open counter-battery fire from 5 minutes to 30 seconds.

If initially the ACS was used by Ukrainian artillerymen, now it is actively used by air defense, snipers and other units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The system created by ordinary programmer volunteers turned out to be so effective that in 2022 a real scandal arose in the Donbass due to the fact that artillerymen from our side tried to start using the captured ACS for their own purposes. The OMON Moscow Telegram channel commented on this as follows:

Everything is written correctly by Daniil Bezsonov. You cannot use the Nettle program! Since the beginning of the special military operation, this application has been used by the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. <…> Be careful. We work, brothers!

That's it. A fair question arises, why did our gunners suddenly become so interested in the “amusing” Ukrainian development? I would also like to ask a question to domestic programmers that they have not yet left for Silicon Valley, do they want to contribute to the Victory with the means available to them?

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trampoline instructor

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April 10 2023 11: 18

A fair question arises, why did our gunners suddenly become so interested in the “amusing” Ukrainian development? I also want to ask a question to domestic programmers that have not yet left for Silicon Valley, do they want to contribute to the Victory with the means available to them?

They are not leaving for Silicon Valley - far too far. They left on February 24 last year, but closer: Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, the Emirates, Spain, and so on. After September 21, the process intensified. According to some figures, about 10 million people fled. The so-called Russian stage fled - pugagalkins and other katsy. Domestic programmers "joined" them, like another well-known anti-party bloc.
Russia should not frighten them so terribly - by the speeches of the guarantor with a loud discussion-approval and the accompanying hype. Stage? - there is a dog with her, with this stage, sorry for the programmers who ran away with their considerable money; even more sorry for our soldiers-officers who are dying in Ukraine, not sparing their lives.
1. Nelton
  
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  April 10 2023 11: 41
  
  Quote: Trampoline area instructor
  According to some figures, about 10 million people fled.
  
  A source?
  Did they count all those who left, excluding those who came back?
  
  I've seen numbers in the 1 million range.
  Yes, and they began to return back, having squandered their savings ...
  1. trampoline instructor
    
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    April 10 2023 17: 17
    
    The FSB disclosed data on the departure of Russians abroad from July to September.
    For the third quarter of 2022 (July-September), the number of departures of Russians to Kazakhstan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Mongolia and Abkhazia has become a record over the past five years. This follows from the FSB data on the departure of Russians to foreign countries for the third quarter of 2022, which was analyzed by RBC.
    In the third quarter, 9,7 million citizens left Russia, which is almost twice as many as in the second quarter (5 million). Despite this, the figure is below the pre-pandemic level of 2019, when the FSB recorded 16,1 million departures of Russians in the third quarter.
    1. Nelton
      
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      April 10 2023 17: 31
      
      FSB disclosed data on the departure of Russians abroad
      
      Well, that's what we're talking about, they counted all the "exits". Excluding return "entries".
      There were so many tours for visa cards.
      And people now travel to third countries not directly, but with a change in Bishkek.
      
      So if 10 million people really left, it would bring down the real estate market, both for rent and for the apartments themselves.
      IRN recorded a decrease, from 272 r m2 (local maximum) to 252 r m2, but not a direct collapse-collapse. In the region, the drawdown was even less ( 155 - 151).
      1. trampoline instructor
        
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        April 10 2023 17: 58
        
        1) You have no doubts about the source. Though it's good.
        2) I pay attention to my words: "According to some numbers, ran away order 10 million people That is, I do not insist on the accuracy of these figures, but I assume.
        3) Personally, I made myself Mastercard, not Visa. Only here is the trouble: being in one country, I took a bank card, which I can’t use now - when I try to enter the personal account, they send a confirmation code that comes to my phone number that I had in that country, and this code, of course, to Russia , can’t reach, and I can’t use my money either.
        4) Bishkeks are out of business here at all. Did I cross the border? - crossed, and where I then fly and with what transfers, it does not bother anyone.
        Count further, Nelson, I also think it’s not bad, but I don’t work at Rosstat, and if you wish, I can fill you up with quotes for one, two, or three.
    2. Rico1977
      
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      April 11 2023 19: 16
      
      RBC is your source? are you out of your mind? Left for a long time about 300-500 thousand. Moreover, for the most part, they did not leave on their own, but their companies and then pulled out employees. And this is basically a trip to the CIS countries to get around the sanctions. Many people work this way in Russia, for example, from Kazakhstan. And mainly because it is easier with money matters, you can pay with cards. This is really a big minus. Not many of them fled from the mobilization. About 80-100 thousand. Of these 300-500, about 80 thousand have already returned. And the return process is ongoing and will continue to grow. The money is running out, and there are not many people who got jobs. It's a pity for the programmers, but as you have already been told, they were already rotten. "Take everything from life", "smoothies", "phytonyashi and bloggers". - an artificial economy parasitic on the real one. So-so generation was raised in the 90s-2000s. It's growing better now. And the guys are smarter and more patriotic.
      1. trampoline instructor
        
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        April 11 2023 20: 32
        
        RBC is your source? are you out of your mind? Left for a long time about 300-500 thousand.
        So-so generation was raised in the 90s-2000s. It's growing better now. And the guys are smarter and more patriotic.
        
        You this, wrap around silently.
        
        Cool dude :)) Since 2011, almost 12 years, I've been scribbling 86 comments here, 7 comments a year. Probably from an excess of patriotism.
  2. komandir8
    
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    April 11 2023 22: 49
    
    It did not run away ... but traveled abroad. The FSB notes that most often from July to September people visited Abkhazia (2,5 million visits), followed by Turkey (almost 2,1 million visits). Russians made 9,7 million trips abroad from July to September 2022.
    Earlier it was reported that twice as many foreign countries with direct flights became available to Russians. In particular, now Russian citizens can fly direct flights to 32 countries, while previously only 15 countries could be visited in this way.
2. Bromo4er
  
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  April 11 2023 01: 12
  
  Many ran away. They were originally rotten. But many remained. There is a PMC Wagner Center. First of all, IT people work there. They do something smart there. Maybe even before this hands will reach.
  1. hell MASTER
    
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    April 11 2023 02: 56
    
    Why those who ran away with rot?
    They were told "nothing will happen, this is a lie of the USA", then the NWO was launched.
    They said that there would be no mobilization, a week later it happened.
    So who is rotten then? Blaming people for leaving when they were told that NOTHING would happen. Well, this is of course epic
    1. Bromo4er
      
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      April 11 2023 10: 07
      
      In your opinion, the government should have said that they say, yes, we will soon attack Ukraine? Are the Americans right? Were we supposed to say that ours did not go according to plan and mobilization would begin soon? Seriously?
      And yes, why did they leave BEFORE mobilization? I suppose they have heard a lot of dishonorable foreign agents with their predictions that they are from Rashkekan. Why are they so shy? This is how I lived and live. Didn't feel any change at all. But I, however, do not read foreign agents and do not watch. Maybe that's why.
      1. Pavel N
        
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        April 11 2023 18: 36
        
        "... in your opinion, the government ..." is written with a hyphen and separated by a comma... LEARN Russian properly, there are errors in almost every sentence!
  2. trampoline instructor
    
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    April 11 2023 13: 38
    
    Many ran away. They were originally rotten.
    
    Article 27 1. Everyone who is lawfully within the territory of the Russian Federation has the right to move freely, to choose a place of stay and residence.
    2. Everyone can freely travel outside the Russian Federation. A citizen of the Russian Federation has the right to freely return to the Russian Federation. On the procedure for leaving the Russian Federation and entering the Russian Federation, see Federal Law No. 15-FZ of August 1996, 114.
    
    All leaving type "rotten". And I, so staunch, sit myself in my working settlement, I have never traveled anywhere in my life beyond the regional center; I have never had a foreign passport in my life - I rest on my hacienda, growing cucumber-tomatoes, and I eat them in my life.
vlad127490

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April 10 2023 13: 07

Here it is appropriate to use the word patriot. A patriot of the Russian Federation and a patriot of Ukraine. From the article it turns out that there are more altruistic patriots in Ukraine. This is a question of upbringing and education in Russia and Ukraine.
1. Bromo4er
  
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  April 11 2023 01: 28
  
  Yes, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been fighting since 2014 and notably raked then. This prompted them to start developing all sorts of programs, weaving networks and so on. And ours are raked only now. Here, too, volunteers are collecting drones, first-aid kits, teploki, night vision devices and other stray only now. Drones have been upgraded. IT people in the Wagner Center are shamanizing over something. God willing and the balance of power will be restored.
wladimirjankov

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April 10 2023 14: 57

I would like to ask a question to domestic programmers that they have not yet left for Silicon Valley, do they want to contribute to the Victory with the means available to them?

Here questions should be asked not to our programmers, but to the command of our Defense Ministry. Why didn’t it take care of this in a timely manner, didn’t set tasks for the Research Institute of the Military Industrial Complex and organized the work, didn’t allocate funds for this? If we set a goal for our programmers and give them money to achieve it, then they will do everything that is necessary. Combat ACS systems are not a matter of volunteer programmers.
Valera75

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April 10 2023 16: 57

The system created by ordinary programmer volunteers turned out to be so effective that in 2022 a real scandal arose in the Donbass due to the fact that artillerymen from our side tried to start using the captured ACS for their own purposes.

many argue that those who want to fight and help have to be dragged by force and soon they will run out. Well, it happens, but there are still a lot of local patriots there, they say such developments of volunteers, plus weaving mass networks and other things for the war, like them they call it with Muscovites. Seeing on the video how many raging aged 18 to 60 years, the male population in front of the believers, whom their own people recently nightmared in Kiev, and throughout Ukraine, there is more than enough meat for slaughter.
cehibi

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April 10 2023 22: 00

Only single-cell jesters could make fun of the fact that the army of a neighboring country was developing, because it was obvious against whom it was preparing. Communication and control systems on the battlefield are no less important than the availability of ammunition. Right now, YouTube is already full of videos of Ukrainians generating fake videos using AI and making video calls demanding a ransom to the relatives of soldiers participating in the SVO. The soldier is sitting in a trench and does not know that he is already allegedly "captured", and his parents pay because the soldier has no connection with them. They train AI based on videos found on pages on social networks. This is a new stage in the development of Ukrainian call centers of the "bank security service". And where are the warnings to the parents of soldiers, where is the fight against fake calls, where is at least an appeal to the soldiers themselves with a request to limit access to their social networks only to those who know them personally.
1. trampoline instructor
  
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  April 11 2023 14: 59
  
  They train AI based on videos found on pages on social networks. This is a new stage in the development of Ukrainian call centers of the "bank security service".
  
  On March 30, “Police Captain Irina Sergeevna Krasnova” called me (three times!) and called me by my first and middle names and said something about bank fraud, about the fact that my phone number was in some kind of database, and the issue is being resolved about opening a criminal case, and I have to help the investigation.
  
  My investigation later found out that the number +79506534423 belongs to the operator EKATERINBURG-2000 LLC in the Sverdlovsk region. It is possible that the E-burg branch of the Security Service of Ukraine dug in there, but the likelihood of this is small.
Alexey Lan

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April 10 2023 22: 16

As a former topographer of the RV and artillery, who is familiar with the binding of battery positions and guidance, I want to say that the merits of Ukrainian programmers should not be exaggerated. Previously, everything at the battery positions was done using lined plastic tablets in which data was recorded and processed manually by calculators and topographers, arithmometers, and even modified office accounts with knuckles (service of 70-72 years). All this can now be primitively programmed in spreadsheet processors by advanced computer users and further used on tablets by ordinary users. Of course, a more difficult task is to control fire, to obtain intelligence about their use by all artillery at the divisional, and even more so at a higher level. It's impossible to do without programmers. However, this is not such a difficult task. The problem is good intelligence, a good digital map, target recognition and decision making.
calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich

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April 11 2023 01: 05

In my amateurish opinion, in order to create such a product, you need to know the required technical characteristics, access to digital maps and satellite images. It is necessary to formulate TTZ. All this is possible only if first step towards programmers from military customers. Has this been made?
Sergey Latyshev

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April 11 2023 07: 31

Judging by the SVOshchnym news, there was a strong programming school in Ukraine.

And that many of our media, "experts" and others happily lied and hooted over Ukraine ....
impunity breeds permissiveness. Known.
1. Alexey Lan
  
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  April 16 2023 22: 21
  
  The fact that in Ukraine during the Soviet era there was a strong school of programming is a well-known fact.
Oleg V.

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April 11 2023 08: 45

And to whom did our patriots clean their snout for leaving Russia? Who was thrown in a dumpster for making nasty remarks? Whose property was confiscated? No one and no one. Here is the result. When everything calms down, those who left to sit out will come with arrogant mugs and they will still swing the rights. And for this they poke their faces into the asphalt. Weak? Someone will say that this is not possible with people. You can, when it comes to the life or death of the country.
hlp5118

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April 11 2023 10: 03

Judging by the article, it took about 2 years for Ukrainian volunteers to create the necessary systems for the army. I remember how Mr. Shoigu reported on the creation of scientific companies and about the enormous benefits they would bring. For these 8 years, unfortunately, nothing of the kind has been created. Our minister is famous for such results.
1. volimre
  
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  April 12 2023 08: 45
  
  I read somewhere that the task of creating a program for command and control of troops with the help of AI was once assigned to Deputy Prime Minister Borisov. Naturally, billions have been allocated for the solution. The money has been spent, there is no program, Borisov has been promoted or demoted, put in charge of Roskosmos.
Flight

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April 13 2023 16: 21

Russia, with the success of a worthy other application, steps on the same rake. Communication, one of the main elements of interaction. Intelligence, without competent communication, wasted time. The same can be said about other branches of the military. Without communication, through which it was possible to competently coordinate and apply the available forces and means, success will be achieved at a very high price. This was shown to us by the same Germans in 1941-42. And currently we don't have it.
1. isofat
  
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  April 13 2023 16: 41
  
  You guys, Where are such conclusions from?
  1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
    
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    April 14 2023 07: 16
    
    Isofat, how from where? From your finger! It’s good that they don’t claim that our troops use signal fires!
    1. In passing
      
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      April 16 2023 22: 08
      
      Bonfires, no, but lanterns, yes. In general, the "do not ignite the fire" mode.
finisf faif

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April 15 2023 14: 56

Quote from Nelton.
FSB disclosed data on the departure of Russians abroad

Well, that's what we're talking about, they counted all the "exits". Excluding return "entries".
There were so many tours for visa cards.
And people now travel to third countries not directly, but with a change in Bishkek.

So if 10 million people really left, it would bring down the real estate market, both for rent and for the apartments themselves.
IRN recorded a decrease, from 272 r m2 (local maximum) to 252 r m2, but not a direct collapse-collapse. In the region, the drawdown was even less ( 155 - 151).

I agree.
10 million, this is almost 10% of the working population. It would be very noticeable.
In our city, where there are almost 1.2 million people, it means that almost 100 thousand people would leave. That would immediately catch your eye. But this is not there, because it is not.
DO

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April 17 2023 01: 56

The history of the Ukrainian "Krapiva" is presented very vaguely. What is the point? Has our intelligence stole the artillery control software from the enemy? What exactly did you miss? executable program? Source?
And what is bad but good to study an effective enemy software tool, and maybe even use it (however, effective use, of course, is unlikely)?
After all, even information about the characteristics of effective software is very valuable, because it reduces the time and resources required for a similar Russian development.
This Ukrainian experience can also be used to temporarily replace certain elements of the program with well-trained people, until we have a similar ACS. But in order to teach, we need teaching methods, and tools for reconnaissance, communications and cartography.