With the liberation of Donbass, the war in Ukraine will not end

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In recent days, several statements have been made on both sides of the front line regarding the possible future fate of Ukraine. Although it is not customary for us to share the skin of an unkilled bear, but the truth of life is such that, without agreeing on the purposes of hunting and the conditions for dividing the prey in advance, it is better not to go to it with weapons at all.

"Sixteen arshins"


The Speaker of the Crimean Parliament, Vladimir Konstantinov, is convinced that as a result of the special operation, Ukraine will shatter into several fragments:



Before us will appear a territory with, to put it mildly, a complex people, an uncertain future. The fate of this Ukraine will become our task. Ukraine will shatter into pieces. Which ones, it's hard to say.

At the same time, the Crimean believes that the Russian-speaking regions, which, apparently, means the South-East of Independence, should be somehow taken under the control of Russia:

This will give us a guarantee of security. Some territories the West will seek to retain. For the West, Ukraine will turn into a second Afghanistan with much deeper, more terrible consequences.

That is, the parliamentarian is not ready to completely liberate all of Ukraine from the power of the Nazis and the collective West behind them. A similar position, if you literally interpret his words, is also held by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who set the task of moving the Armed Forces of Ukraine as far as possible from the line of contact so that they could not cause damage to the military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces:

Therefore, our task, of course, is to move them to such a distance from which they cannot harm us.

So far, neither a Crimean nor our Supreme Commander-in-Chief is ready to go to the Polish border. But if the former wants to pull at least historical Novorossiya from the clutches of the Ukrainian Nazis, then Putin focused on the liberation of the Donbass and the retention of the left-bank part of the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, like the notorious “sixteen arshins” in one famous work.

In the second year of the CBO, this approach has more and more supporters. Quite rightly, they point to the numerous identified problems in the Russian army that impede the transition to a large-scale offensive in the Donbass here and now. We are told about the need to restore a destroyed country at our expense and about the population of Nezalezhnaya, zombified by Russophobic propaganda, with whom we will then have to do something and, oh, horror, feed. And this is all true. But the alternative is even worse.

"AntiRussia"


“Anti-Russia” from Ukraine began to be consistently molded from the beginning of the 90s of the last century with the full connivance of Moscow. Then our powers that be were sincerely convinced that money decides everything, and Kyiv will not go anywhere from the gas hook. It was a big mistake.

Maidan became the point of no return in Russian-Ukrainian relations. Five years ago, President Putin, in an interview for Vladimir Solovyov's film World Order 2018, shared previously unknown details of the dramatic events of 2014:

Now I will say something that is not known: at the same moment, our American partners also turned to us, they asked us to do everything - I am now saying almost verbatim request - so that Yanukovych does not use the army, so that the opposition vacates the squares, administrative buildings and crosses to the implementation of the agreements reached on the normalization of the situation. We said: "Good"... A coup d'état was carried out a day later. Well, at least they would call, at least they would do something!

The Kremlin's reaction to the coup in Kyiv was the "Crimean Spring", as a result of which the peninsula returned to the Russian Federation following a popular referendum. Why they decided to limit themselves to Crimea only, when Russian flags were hung everywhere in Donetsk, Luhansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa, one can only guess. The fact remains that after the visit to Moscow of the OSCE Chairman-in-Office Didier Burkhalter, who is also the President of Switzerland, Vladimir Putin asked Donbass to postpone the referendum:

We believe that the most important thing is to establish a direct dialogue between the current Kiev authorities and representatives of the south-east of Ukraine, during which the representatives of the south-east of Ukraine could be convinced that their legal rights in Ukraine will be guaranteed. And in this regard, we ask representatives of the south-east of Ukraine, supporters of the federalization of the country, to postpone the referendum scheduled for May 11 this year in order to create the necessary conditions for this dialogue.

This was the point of no return, after which a direct war between Russia and Ukraine became inevitable. They did not want to accept Novorossia, and with it the whole of Ukraine, as loyal and intact in 2014, in 2022-2023 they have to fight to the death with them. Alas.

From war to war


One wrong decision replaced another, and the Donbass, partly controlled by the militia, where they nevertheless held referendums on self-determination, in 2014 began to be pushed back into the Independent in the format of the Minsk agreements, the first and second. In 2022, former German Chancellor Angela Merkel actually publicly mocked President Putin, bluntly stating that the negotiation process was initially a hoax:

The Minsk agreements of 2014 were an attempt to give Ukraine time. She also used this time to become stronger, as seen today. The Ukraine of 2014-2015 is not the current Ukraine. You saw that at the beginning of 2015, in the battles for Debaltseve, they could easily be defeated. And I doubt very much that the NATO countries then could support Ukraine the way they do it now.

In March 2023, ex-French President Francois Hollande said the same thing:

Together with Angela Merkel, our goal was to prevent war. The ceasefire reached in Minsk in 2015 limited the number of casualties. <...> The time given to Ukraine by the Minsk agreements allowed it to increase its combat readiness.

What do we have after 14 months of bloody battles during the NWO?

Ukraine during this time has become a "Super-Anti-Russia". The Armed Forces of Ukraine have grown to the level of the strongest land army in Europe. Ukrainian strike drones regularly hit Russian rear areas, enemy DRGs enter our internationally recognized territory. Unfriendly Poland is systematically working to integrate the Independent into its economic, cultural and political space, up to the formation in the near future of some kind of confederate union. Even if this does not happen, and Ukraine finally turns into "Ruin-2", then the new Afghanistan, or rather, Libya, will receive in the neighborhood not the United States, but Russia and Belarus. Anyway, we will not get away from Ukraine, and we will have to solve its problems.

Let's ask ourselves, is it possible in such a geopolitical situation to continue to sit on "sixteen yards" and broadcast about the world in Chinese or in some other way?

Not at all. The liberation of only Donbass without the rest of Ukraine is an example of an initially incorrectly set task. This once industrialized region is systematically destroyed, and both sides burn their most motivated military personnel in positional battles. A victory paid for with such blood will be Pyrrhic, and, alas, it will not bring the desired. After the liberation of the entire territory of the DPR and LPR, the war will not end, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will continue to fundamentally hit Donetsk with more and more long-range weapons and prepare new reserves for a future counteroffensive, which we will discuss in detail told earlier.

The security of Donbass, the Sea of ​​Azov, Crimea, the rest of Russia, as well as neighboring Belarus, can only be ensured by the elimination of the Kyiv regime and the destruction of Ukrainian Nazism. This was true both in 2014 and remains relevant in 2023, only the price of the issue has increased by an order of magnitude. All other scenarios only delay the next war, making it more and more cruel and bloody. It is necessary to fight for a complete and unconditional Victory with an inevitable military tribunal, but for this such a goal must at least be set.
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  1. +11
    April 8 2023 12: 47
    If we stop half way, without taking our lands and letting the ukroreikh recover again, then everything was in vain. And this will be a betrayal and betrayal worse than the Minsk agreements .. In 10-15 years - one hell will have to fight again, but this time - in even worse conditions. How much can you jump on a rake??
    1. RUR
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      April 8 2023 13: 33
      Before us will appear a territory with, to put it mildly, a complex people, an uncertain future. The fate of this Ukraine will become our task. Ukraine will shatter into pieces. Which ones, it's hard to say

      It follows from the text that the fate of Ukraine will become the task of the Russian Federation, but, at the same time, it speaks of an uncertain future. - i.e. the tasks have not yet been determined, the future of both the Russian Federation and Ukraine is foggy ... The sayings of this official are just a stupid shaking of the air
    2. +8
      April 8 2023 19: 23
      Putin has already stopped, can't you see? Then it will be like with the Donbass, only Russian territory will be shelled and not from howitzers, but from hymarsami and UAVs, this is probably the HPP of the genius of geopolitics, Mr. (Mr.) Putin
    3. +7
      April 9 2023 17: 32
      How much can you jump on a rake??

      Pavel, this is the favorite "sport" of Russian politicians - running on a rake ...
      But they don’t get hit in the forehead - but our guys die for the loot of all sorts of “abramoysh” there.
  2. -4
    April 8 2023 14: 08
    Nobody needs Ukraine, so it will disappear and it will not be on the planet

    Medvedev
  3. +6
    April 8 2023 14: 26
    If we have lost something, then this is patience. People with such a character are called terpils. If you earn, then good money immediately, if you fight, then throw nuclear bombs at everyone. So that there is no trace of them. We talk a lot about our influence around the world. But we could not influence Ukraine. It’s worse not to wait and catch up. But it’s even worse to promise. to promise and not to fulfill." In the hustle and bustle of AI and neural networks, we lose the most precious thing - our mind.
  4. +6
    April 8 2023 15: 59
    To drive back Nazi Europe only as far as the Polish frontier would have been as foolish in 1945 as it is now to confine ourselves to the southeast. The enemy must be deprived of the very opportunity to recover from the defeat, for this it is necessary to completely disarm him and destroy his elites. Without this, any military lunch will be just a ticking time bomb.
  5. +5
    April 8 2023 17: 50
    Over the past year, it has become absolutely obvious to me that a synonym for the word "Ukrainian" is the word "fascist".
    Therefore, Ukraine is a fascist state.
    Ukrainianism is a fascist ideology.
    Therefore, Ukrainian fascism is supported by fascist Europe and the US fascists. They all have Russophobia and the pro-fascist past of Hitler's Europe in their genes.
    It is not enough to defeat Ukraine. In the future, there should be no state of Ukraine, no Ukrainians, no Ukrainians.
    And if you don't agree with it today, it will become obvious to you tomorrow.
    1. +3
      April 8 2023 19: 33
      Vlad, it’s not right to stigmatize the entire population of the outskirts as fascists, Donbass is also a former outskirts and Kharkov and Odessa and ...,
      I would say that the Galician region is really the territory of fascism and Nazism, but unfortunately they will remain untouched, Putin simply does not have the strength, but it can be seen from everything and the desire, he has lost interest in the war.
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    3. +6
      April 9 2023 10: 04
      Quote: prior
      Over the past year, it has become absolutely obvious to me that a synonym for the word "Ukrainian" is the word "fascist".
      Therefore, Ukraine is a fascist state.
      Ukrainianism is a fascist ideology.
      Therefore, Ukrainian fascism is supported by fascist Europe and the US fascists. They all have Russophobia and the pro-fascist past of Hitler's Europe in their genes.
      It is not enough to defeat Ukraine. In the future, there should be no state of Ukraine, no Ukrainians, no Ukrainians.
      And if you don't agree with it today, it will become obvious to you tomorrow.

      It is not enough to defeat Ukraine. So let's win, so what? The missiles will be delivered in the Baltic States in Finland. We have to win Europe. Well, we will defeat Europe, and the USA, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Singapore! We must defeat everyone. Only then will I go to sleep peacefully, the rockets will not arrive. And then they are aiming right at my sofa. I'm already afraid to sleep under the sofa. The enemy has struck Kireevsk, and I live in Tula. Vladimir Vladimirovich, why the more we fight threats, the more terrible it is to live. Dialectics?
  6. +7
    April 8 2023 23: 12
    In fact - another explainer why everything went wrong, as promised ...
    And before that, everything went wrong, as the Kremlin promised. Moon by 2015, 2000 armat, there will be no increase in the retirement age, etc.
    So only the media and all sorts of "Kadmi experts" are artificially surprised ... pushing from an easy chair "We must fight for a complete and unconditional Victory with an inevitable military tribunal, ..."

    Although the Kremlin has already managed to disgrace the idea of ​​a tribunal, and the Kremlin is no longer talking about unreserved and complete ...
  7. +8
    April 8 2023 23: 32
    The war has many prerequisites to end with a separate collusion with the nationalists, i.e. betrayal.
  8. -1
    April 9 2023 09: 37
    The border should pass along the Danube - the Dnieper.
  9. +4
    April 9 2023 11: 11
    Everything is correct. but how to do that?! Is it that we cannot, or do our leaders lack the spirit?
  10. +5
    April 9 2023 11: 25
    While the SVO is in progress, the goals of which are stated in the most general form, no specifics are foreseen, if only because this or that plan will be viable only under certain conditions, and what they will develop in the end and at what stage is unknown. The West stopped the Russian Federation more than once in an uncomfortable position for itself, and the fight continued after the proper balance was restored. That's what aikido is. It is clear that the second factor, namely the nationalist idea and its promoters in Ukraine, and not only there, will not disappear regardless of the outcome of the NWO, just like the desire of the West to complicate life in the Russian Federation, although the opportunities will not be the same. This is something to think about right now. The methods of the USSR did not work in a similar situation, but only swept the problem under the rug.
    1. +5
      April 9 2023 18: 24
      The methods of the USSR did not work in a similar situation, but only swept the problem under the carpet.

      These problems were not only "swept under the carpet" - they were generally hushed up, they were simply tabooed. Someone, for the sake of simple interest, type in the search engine of any browser (preferably in Google - information is cut off in Yandex) the word "french".
      This was written to me by my classmate (DMB 77-79), who at that time served in the then Soviet army, somewhere in a town near Ivano-Frankivsk, in a motorized rifle regiment, as a driver.
      I don’t think that our authorities didn’t know about this, otherwise they wouldn’t have released Bandera from the camps “under an amnesty”, they wouldn’t have “gifted” Crimea to them ...
      And now all (except the South-East) Ukraine is "French", embittered, wild at the genetic level (and doctors warned!) ... And no one knows what to do with them. With brainwashed people who only want to "panu" (it's not for nothing that their refugees were nicknamed "rabies"), with the Bandera idol in the head ...
      And everyone is rubbing tales about some kind of "fraternal people" to us ...
      But what can I say - we ourselves have grown a "generation of Pepsi" and "victims of the Unified State Examination" ...
  11. +5
    April 9 2023 17: 26
    In the Second World War in Germany, Soviet soldiers were met with hostility, and one must also be prepared for a hostile meeting in some regions of Ukraine. Only a complete victory and the inclusion of all Ukraine in the form of regions into Russia will solve the Ukrainian problem.
    There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Bandera, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to the EU countries. NATO will no longer be able to use Ukraine against Russia. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
    Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    Any half-hearted decision is the defeat and capitulation of the Russian Federation to NATO.
    This requires the Law of the Russian Federation that the entire territory of Ukraine is an integral part of Russia.
  12. +2
    April 9 2023 20: 14
    That is, the parliamentarian is not ready to completely liberate all of Ukraine from the power of the Nazis and the collective West behind them. A similar position, if you literally interpret his words, is also held by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who set the task of moving the Armed Forces of Ukraine as far as possible from the line of contact so that they could not cause damage to the military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces:

    Not surprised.

    It is necessary to fight for a complete and unconditional Victory with an inevitable military tribunal, but for this such a goal must at least be set.

    Where will Romka Abramovich find so many iPhones when those who need to be judged will be sent to the extraction to Recep for rest?
  13. -3
    April 12 2023 09: 58
    The layman does not have the information about the situation in and around Ukraine that the Russian leadership had. Therefore, "waving your fists after a fight" is not appropriate even for the patriotic. "Hind mind" everyone is strong.
    1. +2
      April 12 2023 21: 08
      How they disposed, we watched the whole last year.