"Leopards-2" are coming to us: why is this a reason for joy

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The other day, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, during his visit to South Africa, called what is happening in Ukraine no longer a hybrid war of the West against the Russian Federation, but a real war (“almost a real one,” to quote Lavrov verbatim). Less than 11 months have passed since the start of the NWO (by the way, the next day exactly 11 months and it hit - the same day), as the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation called what is happening in Ukraine a war, i.e. precisely that five-letter word that cannot be mentioned in the press, but what exactly is happening here in Ukraine now.

And against the background of the deliveries of heavy offensive weapons announced by the West equipment to my Kyiv wards, and the intensification of our offensive operations along the entire line of contact caused by these supplies, I expect the NVO to be renamed into KTO (counter-terrorist operation) soon, which is quite understandable, since we are already fighting on Russian territory. And later, as the RF Armed Forces move deeper into Ukrainian territory, I expect to hear a five-letter word that cannot be mentioned here.



Ah, and the tigers sat at my feet!


Well, while we are practicing linguistic games, the intrigue with the German tattered "cats" has finally been resolved. Like me and assumed earlier, “the old woman suffered for a short time in high-voltage wires” - the “liver sausage” Scholz did not resist the pressure of Western colleagues in the anti-Russian coalition for long. Gutta-percha Scholz did finish the squeeze, no one waited for the ninth Rammstein. The “Iron Chancellor” broke down and gave the go-ahead not only for the re-export of its tattered “cats” by the coalition countries, but also decided to participate in this.

Whether we rejoice at this or be upset - definitely rejoice! It would have been much, a hundred times worse if, instead of tanks, we would have seen US long-range missiles 150+ km in Ukraine (and Grandpa Joe had already begun to seriously consider their delivery when he was faced with the stubbornness of the “Iron Chancellor”). That's when we would have to turn around, as if in a frying pan. We will burn the tanks anyway, even if our sworn “friends / former partners” put them in - it will also take at least three months, and there is nothing for them to do here in the spring thaw - they will get bogged down (since they are not designed for our black soil), therefore I expect their delivery no earlier than April-May, and the application no earlier than June-July. Plus the training of Ukrainian crews, plus the supply of repair and recovery vehicles, plus problems with logistics, repairs and fuel and lubricants - the tanks are so hefty (55-63 tons) that not every bridge can withstand them, the creation of repair bases and logistics bases is possible only in the adjacent territory of the Allies , otherwise they will become easy prey for our missiles (sea, air and land-based) and aviation, including UAVs (I'm talking about rembases and MTO bases) - and these are again problems with logistics. Add to this a different BC for this menagerie (the English Challengers-2 use completely different shells for their rifled 120-mm guns than the Abrams and Leopards-2, where a 120-mm German smoothbore is standardly installed), and various fuels (the Yankees drive on aviation kerosene, while the Germans and the British on diesel) to understand what difficulties the non-brothers will face.

And after all, all this was started by Biden for the sole purpose of persuading the Russians to sign a truce with Kyiv on favorable terms for themselves. And in order to negotiate these conditions, Kyiv had to go into the last and decisive battle, win it and enter into negotiations from a position of strength (Zelensky lost his first such chance in the fall of 2022). Why Biden needs peace / truce in Ukraine, I have already explained here (For those who are interested, I won't repeat myself.) The non-brothers will not have enough strength for two such victories (the human resource, although endless, but already unmotivated, it looks like it will start to scatter or surrender en masse), and Grandpa Joe is running out of time - other great things are waiting for him (which ones, you will find out on link above), and in Europe he has already finished his business, it’s time to take profits and get out of unprofitable assets (and Ukraine is such an asset, Putin didn’t take it around his neck, and grandfather Joe’s neck is not iron - to drag Zelensky and all his camarilla ).

Therefore, when I encountered Scholz's stubbornness, I became worried - the lack of armor among Biden's wards forced him to provide them with more weighty arguments to convince Putin to compromise. And, you must admit, if tanks still need to go on the attack (and not the fact that it is successful), then the presence of long-range missiles capable of turning the Crimean peninsula into an island is already a reason for negotiations with Russia from a position of strength, even without the use of these missiles , only on the fact of their presence (that is, exactly what Biden is trying to achieve).

People who are trying to accuse me of the inaccuracy of my forecasts are on the wrong track - I have already explained that I do not deal with forecasts (who needs forecasts - contact the Hydrometeorological Center), I analyze the facts as they become available, and draw conclusions based on the goal setting of the parties. And due to the fact that the picture on the battlefield is not static - each of the opposing sides adjusts its plans based on the actions or inaction of the enemy, then forecasts (or rather, an assessment of events) are valid only for the current moment, until the opposing side has made his own adjustments to his plan, reacting to the opponent's counterplan. But knowing the goal-setting of the warring forces, one can always predict how everything will end.

So this time - I said that there would be no Russian winter offensive, Putin took a wait-and-see attitude, forcing his enemy to active hostilities, grinding and tying up his personnel in the Bakhmutov and Soledar directions, trying to solve the tasks set for him with little blood, good time played on him. But the planned shipments of heavy armor by the States (including the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle) forced him to change his plans and move on to attacks along the entire front from Kupyansk to Vugledar. Where the main blow of the Russians will be dealt is now scratching their heads already in the Pentagon - General Milli and his sponsored General Zaluzhny. I would venture to suggest that the direction of the main attack will be Zaporozhye with access to the Dnieper, and Kupyansk and Izyum will be a distracting binding blow.

But all this might not have happened if Biden had not pumped up his ward with heavy armor, pushing him in the back for the last decisive battle. When, due to Scholz's stubbornness, a real prospect loomed before Putin of discovering missiles with a range of 150+ km under his nose, Zelensky's fate was sealed - Putin began to move the line of contact away from Crimea and the land corridor to it, moving troops to Vugledar. At the same time, I guessed both the time of delivery of heavy armor from Scholz and its quantity (I predicted from 120 to 150 tanks, remember this figure, then compare it with the actual one), the only thing I could not imagine was that Scholz would resist and go into denial. Now the reason for such a demarche has become clear.

How Grandpa Joe cheated on liverwurst


Biden would not have been Biden if he had not tried to warm up his hands on the current situation. Europe, having undermined the offshore gas pipelines, he has already taken over, Ukraine is trying to shift to Putin, but it would be a sin not to get rich on this (namely, on the rearmament of a weak Europe, in a single impulse trying to get rid of its military equipment, transferring it " president of the world”, leading bloody battles with the “aggressive aggressor”). Until now, the main battle tank of the amusing armies of Europe has been the vaunted German Leopard. Moreover, in version 2A2 (remember this marking). And all these European trainers of "leopards" lined up in a desire to share them with a warring country (I don't want to mention its name again, it will soon disappear from political world maps). And everything would be fine, but the German chancellor opposed this for some reason (bad boy! only the lazy one didn’t kick him this week, the cartoons where the Leopard hides its muzzle in the sand have already circled all the Western media, you probably also seen). No one could understand the behavior of the "liver sausage" - the versions were different, from bargaining with the States for some economic preferences, to the reluctance to supply German tanks specifically to Ukraine, given the bitter experience of the Third Reich 80 years ago. But our hero was least of all tormented by the conscience for the deeds of his predecessors. He, unlike many couch experts, understood perfectly where old Joe was driving.

I also understood this when I saw which tanks he agreed to supply to Ukraine. Yes, these were the same Leopards, but in version 2A6. And these, as they say in Odessa, are two big differences. The thing is that the German "torn cats" in the 2A4 version were excellent "cats" before the advent of our T-90M "Breakthrough", but what's there "Breakthrough", even the latest modifications of the T-72B, T-72BM, T-72B2 , T-72B3 (equipped with hinged dynamic protection NDZ "Kontakt-1" and built-in dynamic protection of the VDZ "Kontakt-5" and VDZ "Relikt", as well as a modified 2A46M5 gun adapted for launching ATGM) were already a formidable weapon for these "cats against which they had nothing. They would burn from them, like the Swedes near Poltava, without even reaching the oncoming battle, being destroyed from distances inaccessible to them by a more powerful weapon of our MBT, superior to 2A4 both in combat range and in armor-piercing, or by ATGMs that are regularly included in the BC kit our cars. It would be hard to imagine a better anti-advertising for a company producing these best European tanks (three German firms and another Swedish and Swiss, producing them under license from a German developer, appear as manufacturers).

The cunning old Biden was counting on this, forcing his younger German colleague to donate a dozen or two of his MBTs to a good cause (in total, a hundred or two "torn German cats" from all over Europe could turn out). After that, to persuade the disarmed Europeans, who succumbed to the herd mentality and sacrificed their panzer-machines to save the Ukrainian stronghold of democracy, and saw how great they are burning on the Ukrainian battlefields, it would not take long to transfer to the American Abrams. But Olaf Scholz also understood this, offering Biden a simultaneous supply of German and American MBTs in the hope that he would refuse (the clumsy Abrams burn no worse, and in some ways even better than the German Leopards-2, and the cunning Scholz knew it). However, the even more cunning Biden surprisingly very quickly agreed to supply 31 units to Ukraine. M1 Abrams, after which Scholz had nowhere to go, and the supply carousel began to spin.

But these two decent gentlemen would be bad politicians if they did not simultaneously try to fool each other. Scholz, out of his generosity, unfastened Zelensky 14 "Leopards" in the 2A6 version, which differ from 2A4 in additional mine protection of the bottom, more powerful turret armor capable of withstanding shells in the upper frontal lobe from our standard 2A46M tank guns, and most importantly - the new Rhl gun 120/L55 with a barrel length increased by 11 calibers (1320 mm) (earlier in the 2A4 version, the barrel length was L44). Along with the length of the barrel, the range of the 2A6 and its armor penetration also increased (now it could already compete with both the T-72B3 and the T-90M in this component). But ATGMs and ATGMs still posed a danger to him (therefore, we will still see burning 2A6s with towers demolished from the explosion on the fields of Ukraine). As well as nothing will save from this share and the vaunted M1 "Abrams" of grandfather Joe. Therefore, Grandpa Joe decided to play it safe and gave the following feint with his ears:

The tanks will be transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine as part of the initiative to promote the security of Ukraine, which involves the conclusion by the US Department of Defense of relevant contracts with manufacturers, and not the provision of this or that equipment and means directly from the Pentagon's stocks. In this regard, the delivery of M1 Abrams to Kyiv will take "months, not weeks."

CNN went even further in its forecasts:

Ukraine may receive American Abrams tanks not earlier than in a year

she said, referring to unnamed Pentagon officials.

Wanguyu - Ukraine will not receive any "Abrams" at all. The newest, modernized, secret American MBT, expensive and heavy, with a voracious gas turbine engine that consumes aviation kerosene in unlimited quantities, is very capricious and requires careful and meticulous care, which the non-brothers will definitely not provide. Even if Russian troops don’t burn it (which is very doubtful, because it burns no worse, and even better than the Leopards), it can easily die out somewhere in the middle of the endless Ukrainian fields and become easy prey for the damned “aggressors” who will dismantle to the screw and learn all the most secret American secrets, including the strengths and weaknesses of this miracle of technology. Not for this grandfather Joe started his gesheft, to sleep so shamefully. Burning "Abrams" in Ukraine Biden does not need anything - only German "tattered cats" should burn. And when stupid Scholz realizes this, it will be too late. The road is a spoon for dinner - in a year, when American production is untwisted, this topic will no longer be relevant (just by that time, after the fiasco of German weapons under the next Ukrainian Stalingrad, the time will come for the Europeans who have got dirty there to change to American "horses", which in Nezalezhnaya for some For some unknown reason, they did not light up). So, with one blow, grandfather Joe beat two - and “defeat” Putin, and bankrupt Scholz, and do not deprive yourself of military orders. Well, who is our Alzheimer's client here after that, periodically forgetting his name? We would all have such a grip!

Below is a summary table of upcoming deliveries:

Officially confirmed delivery:
Britain - 14 Challenger 2 units
Poland - 14 Leopard 2A4 units
Germany - 14 Leopard 2A6 units

To be agreed:
Portugal - 4 units of Leopard 2A6
Spain - 20-50 Leopard 2A4 units
USA - 31 Abrams M1 units
Norway - 8 units of Leopard 2A4
Finland - 14 Leopard 2A4 / 2A6 units

On discussion:
Netherlands - 18 Leopard 2A6 units
Denmark - 6 Leopard 2A5 / 2A7 units

Total: delivery of 42 tanks, 76-126 tanks are expected and 24 more tanks are under preliminary consideration.

The list is preliminary and incomplete. As I said, by the summer we will see from 120 to 150 German and British MBTs in Ukraine (there will definitely not be American ones there!). From the world by thread, they will gather one tank brigade (these are three tank battalions of 40 tanks each, and the battalion is three tank companies of 12 vehicles each, plus the commander's tank). They definitely won’t spread this fabulous wealth along the entire front (for this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine still have about three hundred Soviet T-72s and T-64s in service, patched-patched, plus 45 Czech T-72s undergoing an upgrade should come from Holland, and the same number have already come from the Czech Republic), they will merge the German panzer vehicles into one powerful fist and will use it in the directions of the main attack of the Russians (most likely near Zaporozhye).

We are looking forward to this meeting! You could say we are looking forward to it. And we have something to meet with "dear guests" (expensive in the truest sense of the word - each car costs 2-3 million euros in the 2A4 version and 7-10 million euros in the 2A6 version). Our T-90M "Breakthrough" is already waiting for the German "tattered cats". Trust me, we haven't been sitting idly by all this time either. Uralvagonzavod worked day and night, 24/7 in four shifts (a shortened shift of 6 hours). They will suffer the same fate that overtook their Ukrainian counterparts, who at the time of the start of the SVO had at their disposal about 800 MBTs (T-64, T-64BM Bulat, T-80 and T-72) and the same number in storage . And where are they now?

Reasons for Enlightenment of Grandpa Joe's Consciousness


It would be worse if Biden delivered his long-range missiles to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Much worse! But it seems to me that the closer to the shores of America, our lead frigate of the far sea zone of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov", which went on combat duty in the Atlantic, carrying an unspecified number of hypersonic "Zircons" (it has 16 of them in a salvo), the less desire grandfather Joe to deliver his long-range missiles to Kyiv. Two days ago, "Gorshkov" approached the United States at a distance of a "Zircon" shot and practiced firing at training targets with this hypersonic weapon, from which no one in the world has escape. I quote from TASS:

The crew of the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov", performing tasks in the areas of the western part of the Atlantic Ocean, conducted exercises on the use of hypersonic missile weapons "Zirkon" using computer simulation. Taking into account the training situation, the Admiral Gorshkov frigate worked out the organization of striking a sea target with a Zircon hypersonic missile, which was imitated by a mock enemy ship. The object was at a distance of more than 900 kilometers.

Let me remind you for those who do not know that the flight range of the GR 3M22 Zircon is more than 1000 km, the speed is more than Mach 9 (more than 10 thousand km / h). The autonomy of navigation of the frigate of project 22350 is 30 days. Cruising range - 4500 nautical miles (about 7400 km). The crew is about 200 people. In the campaign, the frigate accompanies the medium sea tanker "Kama".

Earlier, the crew of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" repulsed the attack of a mock enemy from the sky in the Norwegian Sea. During the exercise, the waves in the Norwegian Sea amounted to 3-4 points, the wind speed reached 20 meters per second, but this did not affect the work of the personnel. This is just in case someone in the Pentagon loses his nerve and decides to destroy our ship. And this will be an incident belli! I'm not sure that in this case, Grandpa Joe will have time to run to the bunker. I understand that everyone's nerves are on edge now, but the frigate can also carry nuclear weapons (whether it carries it or not, no one knows, but it can!).

On January 25, our multi-purpose frigate worked out a computer simulation of a missile attack against a mock enemy located at a distance of over 900 kilometers. Those. in other words, for a facility in the United States. In fact, Washington faced a difficult choice. Of course, the Pentagon can sink the Russian frigate, but such a development of events is tantamount to a declaration of war on the Russian Federation, and then the countdown will actually begin, all nuclear forces on the planet will be put on full alert, doomsday planes will take off, the authorities will warn the population about the risks and send everyone they can, into bomb shelters, while they themselves hide in bunkers. There is another option - the United States will continue to tolerate our frigate off its coast with the risk of losing face as a superpower.

Did you think just like that, suddenly on December 30 last year, our lead frigate withdrew from the raid of the main base of the Northern Fleet in Severomorsk and set off on its first long-distance voyage? And Putin waved a handkerchief after him, brushing off a stingy male tear that had come running? Things like this don't just happen! Our multi-purpose frigate in the Atlantic is the Kremlin’s response to Washington’s direct threat to start supplying Kyiv with offensive weapons – armored vehicles, aircraft, missiles, and the potential threat of missile strikes on Moscow, St. Petersburg, Crimea, and so on. Will the US elite today have enough common sense to understand the seriousness of the situation, which risks escalating into a nuclear conflict, even if it is a local one? Looking at Grandpa Joe confusing which way the door opens, sad doubts gnaw at me. But what if a decision is made in Moscow to use a low-yield nuclear weapon somewhere in western Ukraine to stop the escalation of the conflict? Well, or alternatively, the frigate can change the route, approach the coast of Cuba and anchor there. Why not? Why don't you have a Caribbean crisis? And will there be a John Fitzgerald Kennedy in Washington now?

The original plan was for the frigate to sail south past South Africa into the Indian Ocean and then enter the Mediterranean through the Suez Canal. However, monitoring systems claim that it suddenly veered off course and is now heading west towards Bermuda. According to radar data, in the waters of the Bay of Biscay, the Admiral Gorshkov parted company with the Kama tanker and headed west. At the same time, the escort ship "Kama" continued its journey to the south, passing by the Azores.

The Circon hypersonic warship was last seen on a monitor 807 nautical miles (about 1500 kilometers) west of the Portuguese island of Flores in the Azores archipelago.

– reported portal ItaMilRadar.

And against the backdrop of all this in the West, some people have already begun to get hysterical. Yesterday, an Anglo-Saxon publication in a panic wrote that a Russian frigate carrying "unstoppable" hypersonic Mach 9 cruise missiles and equipped with a nuclear warhead had deviated from the course and was moving towards the coast of the United States. The frigate Admiral Gorshkov, armed with Zircon missiles, which, according to Moscow, "have no analogues in the world", is under close supervision of the naval forces of the North Atlantic Alliance, the publication stressed. But I even wonder how Grandpa Joe will feel if our ship turns to Cuba? I think there will be a mass exodus in Florida, just like in 1962, when more people died from car accidents in three days than in the previous three years combined. And just something - then two dozen Soviet missiles surfaced in Cuba.

Russian steam roller


Yesterday we issued yet another Chinese warning when the Russian Foreign Ministry sent protest notes to NATO countries, in which the head of the department, Sergey Lavrov, once again warned former “partners” that any shipments that contain weapons for Ukraine would become a legitimate target for Russia. At the same time, the Russian Foreign Ministry stressed that the NATO countries are “playing with fire” by supplying weapons to Kyiv.

No matter how much equipment the West supplies, the queen of the fields is still infantry. If Ukraine is already so ruthlessly mobilizing the last ones who tried to avoid this, that is, the most low-motivated people - they are caught anywhere and quickly sent into battle through take-off and landing courses - this only indicates that the resource is depleted. They are trying to fight according to the principle - the best of the best have already been knocked out from us, let's take the best of the worst. Then only the worst of the worst will remain.

The above quote belongs to the commander of the battalion "Vostok" Alexander Khodakovsky. The Russians harness slowly, but drive fast - we can’t do anything about it (even though the stake on the head is scratched!), This is our national character trait, no matter what they do to us, our man, until the thunder breaks out, will not cross himself. We are strong in the game for a long time - at first we sway for a long time, but, having swayed, we begin to catch up, after which it is very difficult to stop us (almost impossible, both Hitler and Napoleon can confirm this). At the moment, our ice rink is in neutral. But Grandpa Joe is doing everything to make him move to the west, and then it will be difficult to keep us.

This information is noteworthy for all the Poles jumping out of their shorts, the Balts and all sorts of other Finns and Swedes who have joined them. Think at your leisure, where can Russian tanks stop? And do you need it?

This concludes the review on the topic. All the best. Your Mr. Z
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  1. -4
    28 January 2023 10: 28
    "Leopards-2" are coming to us

    There will be one burnt "cat" more, that's all.

    1. +4
      28 January 2023 16: 33
      And why are you still here and tirelessly continue to upload pictures, and not on CBO, to mercilessly "burn cats" ??? winked
  2. +12
    28 January 2023 10: 38
    Captive article. Yes, we will burn the tanks, but how many thousands of Russian men will die in the process? How many territories (with a civilian population) will we surrender?
    But there will still be missiles and planes. The whole world sees how the Kremlin is waging a NWO (war) and what the Russian army is like.
    1. +3
      28 January 2023 11: 12
      I'll tell you one bite your tongue. This is not an insult. It's a concern
    2. -5
      28 January 2023 11: 13
      we didn’t even start to fight for real, Leopards and Challengers at the withers are more than a meter higher than our MBTs - an excellent target, heavy and clumsy, any RPG-7 will break through, I’m even silent about Assaults, Cornets, Bassoons and Contests
      1. +11
        28 January 2023 11: 29
        With us, unfortunately, they have not yet begun to fight for real ...
        1. +4
          28 January 2023 21: 49
          To our even greater regret, this seems to be more than enough for us.
      2. +5
        28 January 2023 22: 33
        And you appear to be at war? On what front? On literary?
      3. 0
        29 January 2023 05: 21
        It seems to me that they have not yet begun to fight, and Putin’s commanders have already surrendered the city - the hero Kherson, so get ready for a personal meeting ... Increase combat training and TRP standards ...
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    3. -4
      28 January 2023 18: 55
      Since May, I have often been writing about a warning stratospheric nuclear strike on Kyiv. This is followed by a rocket attack on Kyiv, then a raid of bombers with tons of bombs on the Ukrainian administration, the embassies of some NATO countries and some other unfriendly countries. This is for admonishment and surrender. Will not help? Impacts on the west of Ukraine with a western wind direction.
      1. +5
        28 January 2023 19: 55
        So far, we see that all Russian military decisions become known to the enemy long before they reach the executors. There is no reason to believe that with the use of a nuclear club it will be different. As well as believing that the enemy will wait for the blow, so as not to be the first.
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    4. 0
      28 January 2023 21: 38
      Are you sick? What territories did Russia surrender? Rostov, right? If you are talking about the newly attached, then they were attached not yet freed. This is Ukraine surrendering territory. Maybe you, too, from the looking glass? Have fun there. )
  3. +1
    28 January 2023 10: 57
    Everything would be fine, but is Avtrr really sure that the presence of American missiles (any) in Ukraine will force Russia to sit down at the negotiating table in not its favor?
    1. -10
      28 January 2023 11: 07
      No! and why the 1st-rank frigate "Adm. Gorshkov"? and there is also the nuclear submarine "Belgorod" with "Poseidon" hanging out somewhere in the ocean, for every left US screw we always have a bolt with a right-hand thread
      1. +4
        28 January 2023 19: 10
        We have only the frigate Admiral Gorshkov equipped with the Zirkon missile system. Everybody. And the Americans only have more than 60 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers and each carries 56 Tomahawks. Further. The flight range of the Zircon is 1000 km. Tomahawk range - 1 km. Should I explain this alignment with the flight range or will you understand it yourself?
        1. -7
          29 January 2023 00: 09
          and what? Zircon's speed is 10000 km/h, Tomahawk's speed is 880 km/h. The range of the Tomahawk is not 1600, but 2500 km, and the number is up to 96 units in the strike version per destroyer. We have a KR Caliber with similar performance characteristics, equating Zircon with Tomahawk is the same as an atomic bomb with a grenade. All Tomahawks for our missile defense systems are easy prey
          1. 0
            29 January 2023 18: 10
            All Tomahawks for our missile defense systems are easy prey

            I confirm. True, not particularly easy ... at that time. He himself was able to verify this in Sary-Shagan on Dal-78 and Soyuz-79 (for half a year each), serving as an urgent sergeant, operator of the automated control system of the 1st cash desk.
            Then these "axes" were placed in Western Europe (or they wanted to, I don't know). But we had to find a "cure" for them using the means available at that time - such a task was set. Found...
            Only then it was not missile defense that worked, but the air defense of the country - our center for RTV, ZRB, and in 79, at the Soyuz - the same + IA ...
            Yes, at 79, next to our position, on the same Marble Hill, the S-300 complex (they knew it as Volkhov-6) was undergoing state tests. But they had their own task, they did not intersect with us in any way.
          2. +1
            29 January 2023 22: 55
            The problem of the flight range of Zircon and Tomahawk has not been solved. I explain with my fingers. To hit the destroyer Arly Burke with a Zircon missile, the frigate Gorshkov must approach the destroyer at a distance of 1000 km. But, as soon as the frigate approaches the destroyer at a distance of 1 km, it is met by the destroyer's Tomahawks. With a range of Zircon 600 km, even a speed of 1000 thousand km / h will not work .....
  4. +4
    28 January 2023 11: 10
    good I support: 1) The US put Europe on its energy needle. 2) And they will put you in the armory. Poland said it would supply Leopards to Ukraine in exchange for financial compensation from the European Union. You don’t even need to guess what tanks she will buy later. 3) Putin stopped both nuclear blackmail ("Belgorod" is walking around somewhere) and missile blackmail ("Gorshkov"). Bravo to our Supreme!
    On the ground, I think there is no need to rush. All at the same pace and with the same tasks: to take care of their own, knock out equipment and manpower. Ukraine itself goes to Mother.
    Two thoughts:
    1. Particularly noteworthy is the story of the mayor of Chernigov, which raised the split between Ze and the mayors of cities to a new level. It is worth watching how the mayors begin a quiet sabotage of the central government. I think by the summer it will be visible to the naked eye.
    2. We need a couple more mobilizations to form a combat-ready reserve in the event of a war with Europe (five years from now)
    1. +5
      28 January 2023 19: 58
      You read such posts and wonder - the author is kidding or really believes in what is written?
  5. -2
    28 January 2023 12: 38
    Wangyu! There will be no big offensives from our side, winter-spring. Absolutely. There will be a series of powerful, narrowly directed strikes in different places along the entire front line. -in the winter of 2023. Western non-partners are right, everything will be decided in 23. Why? And because in 24 "haechemon" will have a different agenda and problems of purely domestic consumption. We will probably also change the president. To a younger and more evil successor.
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  7. 0
    28 January 2023 12: 53
    War does not bring joy. Now Leopards, tomorrow there will be F-16s, then tactical nuclear weapons will be delivered to Ukraine. I see only one way out of this war, this is a military-political move. Issue the LAW of the Russian Federation, which will state that the entire territory of Ukraine is an integral part of Russia. Then the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia. All other reflections and compromises are from the evil one.
    1. +1
      28 January 2023 20: 00
      And what? Do you really think that laws can win a war?
      1. +3
        28 January 2023 21: 53
        I propose to pass a law that we have won the NWO, all its goals have been achieved, and whoever says something against - an article and a deadline. Then we'll win for sure! A-priory.
  8. +5
    28 January 2023 13: 09
    In general, the same thing as previously written. Already a year.
  9. -9
    28 January 2023 13: 36
    Quote: Teacher
    Captive article. Yes, we will burn the tanks, but how many thousands of Russian men will die in the process? How many territories (with a civilian population) will we surrender?
    But there will still be missiles and planes. The whole world sees how the Kremlin is waging a NWO (war) and what the Russian army is like.

    Judging by the post, the nickname is not meaningful, the "teacher" here, and does not smell. Tell me how "the whole world sees ...", maybe we, ignoramuses, will see the same way?
  10. +10
    28 January 2023 14: 22
    The teacher, in general, is right! Operations can not be carried out in this way! The snot has been pouting for a year now! Arguments about "our brothers" got it! Either act or get out of there!
  11. +10
    28 January 2023 14: 59
    Quote: Volkonsky
    we didn’t even start to fight for real, Leopards and Challengers at the withers are a meter higher than our MBTs - an excellent target, heavy and clumsy, any RPG-7 will break through, I’m even silent about Assaults, Cornets, Bassoons and Contests

    You would have a saber, but a horse and into the line of fire.
    I somehow don’t really believe that NATO instructors (it’s quite possible that some crews will be made of mercenaries) are so stupid and won’t give strong recommendations on the use of these NATO military units. approach the distance of a shot (with the correct use of tanks) and besides, the same Chel2 (there are such examples) withstood a dozen shots with an RPG.
    At one time, I was taught, first of all, how to deal with tanks. And I can say that this is a very difficult enemy. Do not underestimate it so much.
    And the agility of the tank determines its thrust-to-weight ratio, and not its size.
    1. -8
      29 January 2023 00: 23
      what do the Germans have against Cornet? nothing! will burn like a torch! it's the same with Britons! dead!
  12. +10
    28 January 2023 15: 03
    Again, a lot of chatter about how bad weapons are in the west. Dirty cats. And why "torn"? Who "pulled" them? Russia is now using tanks from the 1960s. Not "ragged"? Leopards were the best tanks of WW2, technically the most progressive. T34s were taken in quantity and cheapness, which did not make them the best, it's only in the movies that they are heroes. Do not belittle the abilities of the enemy, he is not a fool.
    1. +7
      28 January 2023 15: 27
      Leopards

      Sorry, made a reservation. Tigers and Panthers.
      1. -1
        29 January 2023 00: 20
        T-34 is the best WWII medium tank, Panthers (T-5) and Tigers (T-6) are already heavy tanks, no need to equate a truck with a passenger car. The Germans had a medium tank T-4 - equalize with it
        1. +2
          29 January 2023 13: 53
          I looked at the loss of tanks in WW2 Germany 15, the USSR 600, the total armored vehicles Germany 56, the USSR 000 units, I was shocked, I would be glad if someone gives other numbers. By the way, there are test data there, the T-26 was the most massive tank, but, unfortunately, not the best.
          1. +4
            29 January 2023 14: 05
            Krivosheev has 83 tank losses for the war in the USSR, 500 in Germany, so the war was won by great tension, and only a person who is waiting for Russia's defeat can rejoice in the supply of Western tanks.
            1. +3
              29 January 2023 14: 22
              Quote: Sergei Fonov
              tank losses during the war USSR 83, Germany 500

              Losses must take into account all armored vehicles, including self-propelled guns, and even tracked / half-tracked armored personnel carriers.
              And yes, the price is a good thing to consider.
              Some Sd.Kfz. 251 produced 15 thousand, and they were hardly cheaper than the t-60 / t-70.
              But we take into account the losses of the T-70, and leave the Kfz251 out of the brackets ...
              1. +1
                29 January 2023 21: 02
                Kfz 251. This is an armored personnel carrier and was used primarily for the rapid movement of infantry, armor in a circle of 14,5 mm, bottom and roof of 8 mm. and in 251-22 units, there were about 75 modifications in total, so there was nothing to write about. If you are interested in Rotmistrov’s opinion, find his letter to Marshal Zhukov, he directly writes that our tanks are no longer the best on the battlefield, and describes them shortcomings, but I'm not writing about the Second World War, we need to prepare very seriously now, and not talk about the fact that our tanks are the best, and everything will be fine. The fighters fight with weapons, here a well-hung speech apparatus will not help.
                1. -1
                  29 January 2023 21: 50
                  If you are interested in Rotmistrov's opinion, find his letter to Marshal Zhukov, he directly writes that our tanks are no longer the best on the battlefield, and describes their shortcomings.

                  Rotmistrov's opinion ceased to interest me after a detailed acquaintance of the tank battle of his army near Prokhorovka. The man who mediocrely (like a commander) ruined the 5th Guards Tank Army tried to blame everything on the shortcomings of technology.
                  Any, the best technique, burns if it is used disproportionately to the real circumstances.
                2. 0
                  29 January 2023 22: 00
                  Quote: Sergei Fonov
                  Kfz 251. These are armored personnel carriers and were used primarily for the rapid movement of infantry,

                  I know.
                  But the Wehrmacht ordered them, and it cost no less than our T-60s, for sure.

                  Quote: Sergei Fonov
                  Rotmistrov’s opinion, find his letter to Marshal Zhukov, he directly writes that our tanks are no longer the best on the battlefield

                  Price/quality plays a role.
                  The same T-34s were produced after the war, but no one else made panthers, although there were opportunities to arrange production.

                  Quote: Sergei Fonov
                  we need to prepare very seriously now, and not say that our tanks are the best, and everything will be fine

                  This is of course.
                  But it’s also not worth panicking that 100 leopards will blow everything up to the Urals.
                  1. +1
                    30 January 2023 20: 58
                    Nobody causes panic, you are our brave one, you need to approach the meeting with the enemy responsibly, then everything will work out on the battlefield, by the way, write where I indicated that German tanks would reach the Urals, otherwise I won’t find it. Grabin said that the tank was just a cart for a cannon, the 75 mm Panther cannon pierced the T 34 at a distance of up to 2 km, the 88 mm Tigra at 1250 meters, and the 85 mm T34 pierced the Panther's armor at 400 meters. Rotmistrov went on the offensive with the permission of the Headquarters, after Vatutin began to retreat. Not only Rotmistrov has about the shortcomings of tanks, read the conclusion of the commission. I write the answer to two addresses, but writing such common truths is boring, read the history of the country.
                    1. 0
                      30 January 2023 22: 07
                      Quote: Sergei Fonov
                      75 mm Panther cannon pierced T 34 at a distance of up to 2 km

                      Well, the panther is essentially a heavy tank destroyer, the t-34 is a medium tank.
                      Significant difference in price.
                      If they had made a variant with 57 mm zis 4m mass-produced, maybe the captains would not have cried so much. They did it a little later with 85mm, it went well.

                      Quote: Sergei Fonov
                      to meet the enemy must be approached responsibly

                      So it's better to overdo it than underestimate it...
                      1. 0
                        31 January 2023 18: 21
                        Panther, with all its advantages and disadvantages, could not seriously affect the course of the war, they were made in the amount of 6000 thousand, T-34s were produced in quantities of up to 3 thousand per month. Starting in 1943, cassettes with 2 bombs began to be hung on the IL-48 to fight tanks, only 4 cassettes, they hit the squares. But the German tankers drank a lot of blood in the battles, the victory was not easy, I would like there to be fewer casualties on our side in these battles.
                  2. +1
                    31 January 2023 22: 29
                    I read "... after the war, no one else made panthers .." and smiled. You are absolutely right, the Japanese also did nothing for quite a long time after 1945.
  13. +6
    28 January 2023 15: 28
    It would be much, a hundred times worse if, instead of tanks, we saw US long-range missiles 150+ km in Ukraine

    we will see missiles and all this at the same time. What the West is discussing is always already delivered or almost on the way, and I’m sure the tank crews have already been trained and recruited from among foreign tankers. And there will be abrams and very soon there are hundreds of them in Poland. This is for us and the whole world I get along show how they discuss only about deliveries, but in fact everything has been decided for a long time. Back in the fall they wrote that the Baltic states, Poland, Germany, etc. are already preparing thousands of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so do not be naive and underestimate the enemy. How shows time, they sometimes throw us such surprises that we have to regroup, and in those things like our airfields are hitting very deep in the rear, we can only react to this with shells on the roof of the Moscow Region.
  14. +7
    28 January 2023 16: 25
    There is nothing new. time will give EVERYTHING), they greatly delay the end of the war. And this is very beneficial for the United States and there is no Russian Federation at all.
    It’s pointless to tell what glorious destructive abilities the ATGMs and tanks of the Russians have, or vice versa, what the general NATO has. Because now it’s not the thickness of the armor, etc., that comes to the fore, but who WILL SEE and FIRE EARLIER, that is, target designation and reconnaissance, communication and coordination of units. The RF Armed Forces have complete seams with this! The Armed Forces of Ukraine are also seen thanks to NATO and their own excellent developments, such as Kropiv (and there are about a dozen of them in general) everything is online, starting from the very bottom. Even the already outdated guns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine turn into relatively modern in terms of guidance, and so on. characteristics. All this allows you to level the numerical advantage in art and the same obt, bbm of the RF Armed Forces.
    About hemorrhoids in the service staff of NATO for the Armed Forces of Ukraine - this is nothing at all. Now they will NOT be serviced by techies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (except perhaps the simplest), as well as problems with BC. This will all fall on GREAT NATO logistics. This is their headache!
    And all sorts of SINGLE carriers of Zircon are just a gesture of despair
  15. -3
    28 January 2023 17: 37
    I'll put ice cubes on the top of my head - they shine beautifully.
    The face with the eyes, I will bury in the pillow - they do not shine.
    (C) Hummingbird.
  16. +6
    28 January 2023 17: 44
    Leopard-2 > a serious weapon and you need to prepare smartly for a meeting with it! It is not easy to deal with the German MBT ... otherwise it would not have enjoyed "mad" popularity in the world! And there is nothing to refer to the Turks, who "suffered" with their Leo, simply ineptly using them! You should not rely on repeated "ineptness" of application ... (the military, although it happens at the very least, but, nevertheless, learn from mistakes!) I also hope that our fighters, nevertheless. cope with the "leopards" ... but at what cost? Who remembers how often our "thirty-fours" with a 76-mm gun attacked German "tigers" at the rate of 3-4 tanks per "tiger"? To have time for at least someone to get close to the "beast" at an effective shot distance! So ... T-72 and T-64 NM DPR / LPR compared to the T-90M, which are not enough now ... this is similar to the T-34-76 and T-34-85! 125-mm BOPSs and "kums", which are now in service with the "old" T-72s, are already rather weak for a modern "equal" (!) tank duel ... And the new T-90M tanks and "lead" were not enough for a specific date some time ago! (Will the "accelerated and expanded" production of the present time have time to improve the situation? I don’t know! Maybe it will, or maybe ....) Moreover, the latest BOPS cannot be used in old AZs with 46 guns ... Now we need to place bets to fight against NATO MBTs, first of all, not with tanks (T-72 ... and even T-80 ... except for T-90M ...), but better with other means, which we can count enough .. But here such a factor as the skillful, competent use of this "other" weapon already comes to the fore!
    And something the author greatly frightens the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the fact that they are tormented with logistics ... they say they will need kerosene, and diesel fuel ... 120-mm shells are "rifled" and "smooth" ...! But what about the Russian units? "Kerosene" T-80 (although the T-80, if memory serves, can also run on diesel fuel ...) and "diesel fuel" T-72 ... 125-mm shells T-64, T- 72, T-80 and 115-mm T-62 shells ... By the way, the APU also has gas turbine T-80s! So far, the variety of calibers has not become a disaster for the APU! 152 mm and 155 mm, 122 mm and 105 mm - everything goes into business! Is it so simple in our troops? Perhaps not! 203 mm, 152 mm shots of two types, 122 mm and 120 mm, 100 mm "rapier" shots - this is all our cannon artillery! Everything will depend on how the parties can quickly and skillfully adapt to changing circumstances!
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  19. 0
    28 January 2023 19: 30
    I feel soon someone will rejoice in the dark, and the Russian Defense Ministry will continue to fulfill their plans, and not the fantasies of representatives of the "brotherly" people.
  20. +3
    28 January 2023 19: 39
    My opinion: if by the spring of this year we do not resolve the issue of preventing the supply of Western weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, the use of tactical nuclear weapons on our part in Ukraine will become inevitable. So, if our leadership really does not want to get to the point of using it in this war, then blood from the nose, no matter what it costs us, but the RF Armed Forces will need to make a breakthrough to the western borders of Ukraine with the subsequent blocking of the Ukrainian-Polish border. When I say "whatever it costs us," I mean the undoubted fact for me that a different development of military events, any delay in resolving the issue of supplying Western weapons, in my opinion, will inevitably lead to even more significant loss on our part. Winning the war, constantly thinking about saving soldiers as a primary task, alas, will not work! Yes, it is cruel, but any war in itself already implies cruelty. It doesn’t happen otherwise ... However, I’m mistaken - there is also a Special Military Operation ...
    1. +1
      28 January 2023 19: 54
      And what to do with the territory that will be between the Russian and Polish borders? the war is not primarily with Ukraine, but with the West. there is a version that weapons are specially pulled there. Therefore, the bridges are not touched. just do not say that it is a pity for the Ukrainians... this territory will continue to be supported by the same rapidly impoverished Europe.
  21. +2
    28 January 2023 19: 52
    yes, grandfather does not care about "Admiral" ...

    ,,Novorossiysk", ,,Moscow", Nord Streams.
    and with "Kursk" - a dark forest.
    fire at "Komsomolets" - can someone "help" from outside?
    1. +2
      28 January 2023 20: 09
      maybe someone helped ... Russia has been butting heads with the Anglo-Saxons at least since the time of Ivan the Terrible. longer only with Little Russians
      1. +2
        28 January 2023 21: 48
        and as long as nothing happens to them with ships, bridges, pipelines, they will not stop shitting.
  22. -1
    28 January 2023 20: 30
    Quote from voznesensky
    My opinion: if by the spring of this year we do not resolve the issue of preventing the supply of Western weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, the use of tactical nuclear weapons on our part in Ukraine will become inevitable. So, if our leadership really does not want to get to the point of using it in this war, then blood from the nose, no matter what it costs us, but the RF Armed Forces will need to make a breakthrough to the western borders of Ukraine with the subsequent blocking of the Ukrainian-Polish border. When I say "whatever it costs us," I mean the undoubted fact for me that a different development of military events, any delay in resolving the issue of supplying Western weapons, in my opinion, will inevitably lead to even more significant loss on our part. Winning the war, constantly thinking about saving soldiers as a primary task, alas, will not work! Yes, it is cruel, but any war in itself already implies cruelty. It doesn’t happen otherwise ... However, I’m mistaken - there is also a Special Military Operation ...

    But it's like "UPS"... when they say they'll deliver, it's actually already in the mailbox.
  23. +1
    28 January 2023 20: 59
    whatever one may say, but these tanks are dangerous, even for the T-90 Proryv. Deadly dangerous. They very quickly detect the target, very quickly, very accurately aim at it and pierce it very well (it will not seem enough, to the same Breakthrough).

    When tanks meet in battle, they usually stand and shoot, because. The most important thing is to have time to accurately hit the target. Hopes for maneuver are not relevant today, it somehow worked in the Second World War, and even then not so very much. While moving, it is also difficult to aim (forget all those shows of shots in flight, while moving, etc.), the tank shakes, the gun levels out, but also not so much, especially if the fight is at long distances. In general, tanks stand and fire as quickly and accurately as possible when they see another tank. Of course, this is not an absolute, everything happens.

    Now the Solntseks are working on the offensive, burning out the enemy's defenses. But maybe they could be useful in the role of supporting tanks against enemy heavy armored vehicles.
    Suppose a tank battle ensued. If you have in the rear (1-2-5? km) Solnechki, to which it will be possible to quickly transfer the coordinates of enemy tanks participating in a tank battle, then they could well work out. It is possible to give them a reconnaissance Tiger for this, which, having a laser rangefinder, will quickly remove the coordinates of targets and quickly transfer it to the Suns in the right form. Perhaps shooting and fine-tuning by the same Tiger.

    Solntsepek does not shoot far and, having a tank base, could well join his relatives in a maneuverable battle (to open fire during a static tank battle).
    1. +1
      28 January 2023 21: 15
      Shooting range, m:
      - Minimum: 400
      - maximum: 6000

      Area of ​​damage when firing at maximum range, sq. m.: 40000
      There is no world of tanks to play with such art. starting the fight from the beginning will not work.
  24. +1
    28 January 2023 21: 41
    The Germans and their Western friends are again at war with Russia. Their history teaches nothing. And again, smoke Svidomo out of caches like rats.
  25. 0
    29 January 2023 00: 25
    Quote: vlad127490
    War does not bring joy. Now Leopards, tomorrow there will be F-16s, then tactical nuclear weapons will be delivered to Ukraine. I see only one way out of this war, this is a military-political move. Issue the LAW of the Russian Federation, which will state that the entire territory of Ukraine is an integral part of Russia. Then the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia. All other reflections and compromises are from the evil one.

    I think you are talking about goals for January 2022. But for 2023?
  26. +3
    29 January 2023 03: 25
    Quote: Victor M.
    Are you sick? What territories did Russia surrender? Rostov, right? If you are talking about the newly attached, then they were attached not yet freed. This is Ukraine surrendering territory. Maybe you, too, from the looking glass? Have fun there. )

    ahhh, nu-nu! Hold a referendum on the type of accession and include it in the composition, and then surrender the same Kherson - well, this, like, does not count, and this one, like, some sort of Russia .... different, but not absolutely Russia.
  27. +5
    29 January 2023 08: 58
    By a sad irony, these "cats" will be filled with Russian diesel fuel, which Europe continues to buy from Russia on an unprecedented scale. And the embargo on oil and oil products from Russia is not introduced because the West is accumulating oil products for the war with us.
  28. SYG
    -2
    29 January 2023 09: 08
    A positive article with an analysis of the latest events in the world related to Ukraine!
    I agree with the author, everything that our enemies do not do is all for the better!
    Neither "Leopards" nor "Abrams" will help them.
    The Russian ice rink is still in neutral, but there is not long to wait!
    Enemies of Russia and "sofa" ill-wishers - wait for the guests!
  29. +2
    29 January 2023 09: 36
    As soon as the black pillars of smoky Western tanks hit the sky, or maybe even earlier, the West will put long-range missiles in 404 ... What will you write then?
  30. -3
    29 January 2023 11: 54
    In principle, I liked the article, most of what was written is correct. BUT

    Throw in a couple of slippers.

    1. And who said that "Bradley" is heavy armor?
    2. --//--- that "Abrams" is not heavy, but MBT?
  31. 0
    29 January 2023 12: 17
    Quote: Watching
    Leopards

    Sorry, made a reservation. Tigers and Panthers.

    So you got caught, a stranger from a parallel world, where already made towers were put not on wheeled "Pumas" (as in our world), but on their native "Leopards", which in our world were never produced!
    By the way, "Puma" showed themselves well. Yes, and "Leopards" could "shoot" if they appeared a year earlier.
  32. +3
    29 January 2023 15: 30
    Quote: Volkonsky
    what do the Germans have against Cornet? nothing! will burn like a torch! it's the same with Britons! dead!

    Of course, it will burn if it manages to be the first to detect and shoot, and it hits well. Only there are a number of problems with the calculation of any ATGM: Leo2a4-7 has an order of magnitude better detection tools both during the day and at night, and indeed, thanks to NATO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have both tactical and strategic reconnaissance steers, as well as automated combat control systems in general, starting from the squad level. So, if the terrain allows, but they will not be driven to slaughter in urban areas without cover, then Leo2a4-7 will become a very formidable opponent.
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  37. 0
    30 January 2023 08: 29
    Leopards have already arrived at 404th, go to the rsotm tg channel, there is a video of how they are being transported on tractors
    1. 0
      30 January 2023 15: 20
      there is no such video. Not yet. and there is only a link to a message from another channel that refers to a third channel, which says that according to reports of some local residents, they allegedly saw a couple of possibly Leopards in the Nikolaev area. And then there was a message from the fourth channel that there were dummies of Leopards in Nikolaev. So it's extremely unreliable.
  38. 0
    6 February 2023 17: 39
    Hooray! We are preparing Molotov cocktails, a fennel brazier with lard will be good!