When and how will the conflict in Ukraine end?


Epigraph: "Why do we need such a world in which there is no place for Russia?" (V. V. Putin)

People who have recently become interested policies, trying from the height of their sofa to estimate the timing of the end of the NWO, completely misjudge the goals and objectives of the opposing sides (and some are even unable to determine the parties), hence the wrong conclusions about the timing of the end of the confrontation and even accusations against their top political leadership, who elected allegedly, from their point of view, a completely wrong tactics of maintaining a database, and even suspicions of betraying them (that is, the leadership) of national interests. This is partly the fault of the leadership itself, which has not yet intelligibly voiced its ultimate goals in this campaign, and the tasks that they are constantly rewriting are also a disaster.

It all started, it seems, with the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine and the deliverance of the inhabitants of the LDNR from the horrors of the 8-year blockade. For almost a year, none of the assigned tasks was completed, with the blockade it became even a thousand times worse - until February 24, 2022, Donetsk had not yet known such shelling. No one in Moscow, Kyiv, or Washington will tell you what tasks the group of Russian troops is currently facing (although in the latter place they think they know about them). But, if I start asking you where the conditional Russian tanks will stop, I am sure that the answers will be completely different and far from reality. And all because no one knows the final goals of the Kremlin.

This text will try to help those people who are already desperate to find an answer to this question. And by the end, you yourself will be able to determine when it all ends (and most importantly, how).

What are we fighting for, gentlemen? And most importantly, with whom?


To do this, we must first identify the parties to the conflict. For those who believe that in Ukraine we are at war with Ukraine, I suggest that they immediately go for a walk (treatment of the hopelessly ill is not my profile). With the rest, let's decide - are we in Ukraine at war with NATO or with the United States? There, even in the near-political get-together, lovers of grandiloquent literature have the expression "collective West" in circulation. Who is this “collective West”, do you know? As well as who is this NATO without the United States. Without the States, these are just two amorphous wordless substances - spit and grind!

If you did so, it means that we have already decided on the parties to the conflict - here, in Ukraine, we crossed swords with the United States, and from our side there is a war not for life, but for death (which you can’t say about the States at all). And so we will go to the end. But how far in this campaign are the United States ready to go? Where is their red line? We simply have a problem with our red lines - Vladimir Vladimirovich has already run out of all the red felt-tip pens, and the States still continue to pretend that they don’t see them point-blank, moreover, they also laugh at the Kremlin (but, as you know, it’s good who laughs last laughs). Let's see how they react to Medvedev's last words that nuclear powers do not lose in a conventional confrontation with non-nuclear powers, because in this case it will inevitably lead to a nuclear war, after which there will be no one to laugh.

Red lines and Washington's targets in Ukraine


But in order to understand where Washington's red lines lie, we must finally decide what goals it is pursuing in this conflict. The conflict is initiated and financed by him, so what does he achieve in it? The funny thing is that I already писал (but most of you never bothered to read this, I advise you to do this, because I will not repeat myself here). If someone naively thinks that the goal of Washington is the victory of Ukraine in it and the total defeat of Russia, then he is deeply mistaken. At first, this is purely physically impossible (and theoretically this can only be done by destroying Russia from the inside, and Putin will definitely not give such a gift to Washington), but Secondly (and this is the main thing), the victory of Kyiv is absolutely not included in the plans of America, because she does not know what to do with this winner, as well as with Russia that lost (and fell apart as a result of this into twenty parts). The victorious Kyiv will immediately begin to download rights and demand special treatment for itself, and the nuclear cellar of Russia that has fallen into twenty parts will entail such problems that the ambitions of the victorious Kyiv against this background will seem like just baby talk on the lawn.

Therefore, Washington's goal here is completely different, or rather, there are three of them. First - unification and consolidation under its own flag of all "progressive" mankind to fight the "aggressive aggressor" who encroached on the foundations of world democracy, with its automatic transformation into a world pariah, bracketing the civilized world and eliminating it as a competitor. The second the goal, which is a consequence of the first, is the complete isolation of the “aggressor”, which implies an embargo of its goods, which, in turn, should “liberate” Europe from “slavish” dependence on Russian energy resources, which will bury the EU as a manufacturer of competitive goods with high added value, will lead to an outflow of capital, both industrial and financial, to America in search of cheap energy resources and a quiet financial haven, which will automatically lead to the elimination of another competitor from the world Olympus (represented by the EU) and the absorption of its sales markets. And third, the main goal pursued by Washington (for the sake of which all this, in fact, was started) is to tie Russia's hands in the long-term (attrition) military conflict in Ukraine and untie the hands of the United States in order to eliminate their main adversary - the People's Republic of China with an exact confidence that Russia, exhausted by the war in Ukraine, will no longer intervene in this conflict.

And all this stuff is being started only in order to extend at least another 30-40 years its comfortable existence and world hegemony, which cannot be carried out without expansion and absorption (the fact that Europe is now chosen for this, do not be surprised, her hour has come, because all other markets are already occupied and plundered by the same United States - there is nothing personal, it's just business). We must understand that world domination is not an end in itself, but only a means to survive. The fact that for this it is necessary to demonize the Russian Federation, degrease Europe and cross swords with China is nothing more than a side effect of these processes. On the world Olympus, at the moment there is only room for one - Bolivar will no longer withstand two (as the United States believes).

Therefore, Washington's red line lies in the plane of its gastrointestinal tract, which is the world financial system based on the dominance of the dollar as the world's reserve currency. It is precisely there that Moscow is now attacking, and the hegemon has already sensed this danger and his imminent death. Therefore, whoever has not yet left the dollar, hurry up to do it, because this cabinet will fall loudly and bury under its rubble all the holders of these greenbacks who still continue to pray to him. Fortunately, this will not happen soon, and you still have time - while China and Japan are the owners of the largest portfolios of American treasuries. As soon as they start dumping them en masse, this process will immediately become irreversible and the dollar will collapse in a matter of days before your eyes (and Washington itself will initiate this, saving its assets, it will issue a new currency - the digital dollar).

But all this will not happen soon (you still have at least 5-6 years), so Russia now needs to concentrate on the problem that Washington has created for it in Ukraine, and think about how to solve it with little bloodshed. From all of the above, it is already clear that the United States in Ukraine is playing for a draw, while only victory suits us, since even a draw for the Russian Federation is comparable to defeat. We are saved only by the fact that the victory of Ukraine is not included in the plans of both sides (there is already something to agree on). But negotiations still have to wait. This year, the moment for negotiations has already been missed twice. First once - in April 2022, when only the urgent arrival in Kyiv of Boris Johnson buried the looming hope for the Istanbul agreements (then you absolutely vainly scolded the Medinsky team - Putin knew what he was doing, he was trying to fix the profit obtained in February-March with little bloodshed, and reach a truce necessary to build up forces, but the scoundrel Johnson broke everything off). The second the possibility of a truce was already buried by Zelensky himself in the fall of 2022, when, after a series of successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kharkiv, Krasnolymansk and Kherson directions, even the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States, General of the Army Mark Milley, insisted on a truce, rightly explaining to Zelensky who caught the star that the window of opportunity is when Kyiv can negotiate from a position of strength, is about to close. What happened through the efforts of General Armageddon, who stabilized and reduced the front line (up to 815 km) and tied up the enemy forces released from Kherson near Bakhmut. As a result, the moment for negotiations was lost. Now the path to them will run through the battlefields, and it is there that each of the parties will look for arguments to strengthen their negotiating positions. But first I would like to talk about the kurtosis of the performer.

Excess performer


Epigraph: "The goal of any war is peace on terms favorable to the victorious side." (Carl Philipp Gottlieb von Clausewitz)

When we say that the weak-willed and spineless Europe after 1945 lost its subjectivity, and Ukraine never had it, then all this is very conditional, because no one has canceled the excess of the performer. How much Zelensky is a wordless puppet of the West, he clearly demonstrated last fall, disobeying the urgent advice of the head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff himself about the need for urgent negotiations with Moscow, imagining that with the help of the West he could reach Sakhalin, completely unaware that it was completely not included in the plans of America. As a result, General Surovikin closed this window of opportunity, nullifying the chance that had arisen to negotiate peace with Russia on favorable terms for itself (more precisely, for the States), forcing Washington to look for a new pretext for negotiations from a position of strength.

This time, Grandpa Joe attracted not General Milli, but no less worthy comrades (although what kind of comrades are we? Tambov wolves are their comrades!). Their names are Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates. One is a former US Secretary of State (under Obama) and a former national security adviser (under Bush Jr.), the other is a former CIA chief (under Bush Sr.) and a former head of the Pentagon (under Bush Jr. and Obama). So, on January 7, these respected gentlemen embossed in the main mouthpiece of the US Democratic Party The Washington Post their own article entitled “Time is not on the side of Ukraine”, in which they made it clear to Zelensky and the rest of the riffraff called “the world democratic community” that time for reflection expires (referring not to the time of Zelensky or the “global progressive public”, but the time of Grandpa Joe). They don’t give a damn about Zelensky and the world community - grandpa Joe is waiting for great things (which ones, I explained here), so he can't wait. And therefore, now everyone urgently needs to strain and help Zelensky to defeat Putin, otherwise it will be too late later. And it will be too late not for Zelensky or Putin, but for grandfather Joe (but they don’t write about it, I’m translating it for you from American into Russian, revealing the hidden subtext of this publication). Moreover, by the word “overcome” they do not mean a total victory of Ukrainian weapons over Russian ones, but only a local victory, which will allow Kyiv to again enter into negotiations from a position of strength (as Zelensky ineptly spread his first attempt, I told above).

Actually, these comrades (who are not our comrades at all) do not even hide their intentions (for which I personally have great respect for the Americans!) And speak about it openly:

In the absence of another major Ukrainian breakthrough and success against Russian forces, Western pressure on Ukraine to negotiate a ceasefire will intensify as the months of military stalemate pass. Under the current circumstances, any ceasefire agreement would leave Russian forces in a strong position to resume the invasion when they are ready.

That is, if anyone has not yet understood, the war on the American side in the Ukrainian theater is not for victory, but for a draw and a stronger negotiating position in future peace negotiations. Grandpa Joe needs the world (why, I won’t repeat, link above), only the world on its own terms. It was not in vain that I quoted Clausewitz as an epigraph to this section. Even 200 years ago, in his famous treatise "On War", he clearly and succinctly formulated the goals of any war, explaining that "the goal of any war is peace on the terms of the winner." So the States, starting this conflict, hoped to end it, firstly, quickly and inexpensively for yourself, and Secondly, to tie the hands of Russia to them so that she does not get in the way when they take up China. On the first point, it didn’t work out quickly and inexpensively, here Putin failed (failed to cope with the tasks assigned to him by Washington), now the United States is faced with the goal of getting out of the conflict on their own by hanging a loaded Ukrainian gun with a cocked trigger in Russia’s dressing room in order to untie their hands for China and leave Moscow's hands tied.

A war of attrition is not at all in Grandpa Joe's plans. According to his plans, the Kremlin was to be depleted. But Putin let his grandfather down, got stuck in Ukraine, shifting both the war and the maintenance of the Kyiv regime onto his old man's shoulders, and this was not at all part of our hero's plans. Only two years remain before the end of his term, and the issue with China is still open. In Europe, he has already done all his work, after undermining the EU offshore gas pipelines at his feet, it is necessary to take profits and exit unprofitable projects. Ukraine is a priori unprofitable project. As conceived by our hero, its maintenance was supposed to fall on the shoulders of the Kremlin, but Washington clearly overestimated its strength (we, by the way, too!). But every cloud has a silver lining, and on this Grandpa Joe decided to warm his old hands by running his military-industrial complex to its fullest. Further, the process will go on automatically, part of the European satellites of America for the sake of Ukraine has already disarmed, the other part should follow their example (which Condoleezza Rice and her friend informed them about), their rearmament will be handled by grandfather Joe and his successor as president of America, who whatever it becomes (this process is not fast, and therefore planned for years to come, everyone involved in it will get rich). And now Grandpa Joe is in a hurry to get out of Europe - a new, Asia-Pacific theater of war is waiting for him, and waging a war on two fronts is not at all included in his plans, because the experience of both the First and Second World Wars teaches that this ends badly for those who overestimates his strength (in both cases, Germany suffered, how it ended for her, you know, Grandpa Joe also knows and does not want to repeat her fate at all).

That is why he is in a hurry to conclude peace in Ukraine on favorable terms for himself, and for this they still need to be created. That is why Washington has chosen to pump Kyiv with heavy offensive weapons (namely, tanks) as an implementation mechanism. Reinforced with tank armor, Zelensky was supposed to get this peace for Biden on the Ukrainian battlefields. But then the second kurtosis of the performer happened, and exactly where no one expected him. The weak-willed "offended sausage" Scholz suddenly showed unexpected stamina in defending incomprehensible interests. It would seem, well, what is he risking? Let him not give his "Leopards", but why does he not allow others to do this? What is he afraid of and who does he work for? He stood in a pose and said that he would give the green light only after Grandpa Joe and his Abrams, knowing for sure that Grandpa Joe would not give Abrams (because they were expensive, heavy, secret, and even on aviation kerosene, God forbid, Putin capture and unravel all the secrets of the United States!). The question has reached a dead end, and Grandpa Joe is running out of time - until the end of 2023. What to do?

"Ramstein-8" ended in nothing, no one will wait for the ninth, and the English "Challengers-2" will not save the situation. If Grandpa Joe doesn’t burn out with tanks and it’s not possible to push through Scholz, then you will have to supply missiles with a radius of destruction of 150+ km to create a constant threat of an attack by Ukraine on Crimea and thereby make a second approach to try to negotiate with Moscow from a position of strength on your own terms ( no peace, no war with fixing the status quo, but with the constant threat of its violation by Kyiv - the same loaded Ukrainian gun in the dressing room of the Russian Federation). This perspective has already been voiced by US Deputy Secretary of Defense Colin Cole, who arrived in Kyiv on January 17 as part of a representative American delegation. At a press approach to the assembled journalists, he said that the States would continue the discussion with Kyiv about the type of long-range missiles. According to him, at this stage, the Pentagon recognized that the Armed Forces of Ukraine needed them. But just recently it was reported that the United States would not supply long-range missiles to Ukraine in order to prevent attacks on Russian territory. It turns out that Washington has changed its mind? As you can see, this happened even before Rammstein-8. This means that Washington knew about the position of Berlin and decided to lay straws. I'm afraid that this straw will be tougher than tanks. We would have dealt with tanks, we still need to go on the attack with them, but with missiles with a range of 150+ km there is no need to go anywhere - even the very fact of their presence increases the threat to Moscow and strengthens Kyiv's negotiating position. You can already trade. Good move!

The fact that this is not a joke and not the fruit of our sick fantasies became clear a couple of days after the Kyiv revelations of the Deputy head of the Pentagon. On January 19, The New York Times published an article in which the publication, citing unspecified sources in the presidential administration, claimed that the US authorities were seriously considering providing Kyiv with weapons capable of striking Crimea. That is, if before that they did not consider Crimea as a legitimate military target for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, taking it out of brackets, as it were, now they are removing the brackets and giving the go-ahead to Kyiv to use long-range American weapons against military facilities on the peninsula.

The administration of US President Joe Biden is gradually softening its position on the issue of providing Ukraine with the means that will allow it to strike targets in Crimea

The New York Times informed its readers, citing sources in the White House.

Crimea is Ukraine and Ukraine has the right to defend itself and its sovereign territory within its internationally recognized borders

- Adrienne Watson, spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said in a tone to the publication.

Despite the fact that the United States has always considered Crimea to be Ukrainian territory, Washington has so far refused to provide Kyiv with the means to strike targets on the peninsula. U.S. military and officials have privately questioned the wisdom of strikes in Crimea, believing that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have “more suitable targets elsewhere on the battlefield,” writes the NYT. Now, according to the publication, the position of the administration has changed. US authorities are leaning towards the idea that if Russia feels the risk of losing control of Crimea, it will strengthen Ukraine's position in any future negotiations. In addition, fears about the threat of Moscow retaliating with tactical nuclear weapons have also eased among US officials and experts, while, in their opinion, the risk of such a scenario still remains.

That is, the gentlemen of the imperialists have clearly lost their fear and continue to brazenly tease the Russian bear (well, what do you want, we ourselves provoke them to this with our weak-willed position - we still have not answered for the airfields of long-range strategic aviation). It is noteworthy that this article was published the day before Rammstein-8 (it is clear that the gentlemen knew something about the irreconcilable position of Berlin in advance).

Commenting on the NYT publication, State Department spokesman Ned Price said that the decision rests with the Ukrainian authorities.

We did not encourage or allow our Ukrainian partners to strike outside their borders. Everything we provide to Ukraine is intended for a single purpose - for its self-defense

- said Price.

Here I will allow myself to disagree with an official from the United States. The Americans are deliberately escalating. Their goal is not the self-defense of Ukraine, they do not care about it, their goal is to enter into negotiations with Moscow from a position of strength. Grandpa Joe's temporary resource is running out, it is necessary to fix the profit and get out of Europe. Southeast Asia and President Xi are waiting for him. And not with tanks, but with missiles, but he will achieve his goal. All wars sooner or later (if they do not end with the surrender of one of the parties) end with peace negotiations. As Clausewitz said, "the goal of any war is peace on the terms of the winner." And if the winner could not be determined, then the status quo is fixed at the current moment. Zelensky's spokesman Sergei Nikiforov, commenting on his boss's position, recently said that negotiations should be based on certain principles. Bullshit! Negotiations are based not on principles, but on the balance of power at the moment, and in order to improve this balance, Grandpa Joe is making every effort. He wants the world on his own terms. Therefore, they throw Zelensky into the last and decisive battle, having previously stuffed it with hexogen, based on the principle: "War is the mother of negotiations." Hence the banal conclusion - there will be no negotiations in the near future until an advantage on the battlefield of one of the parties is achieved. We are waiting, sir ... The time has come (the planning horizon is the next six months, everything will be decided during this period).

Tasks of the parties for the near, medium and long term


Now that the goals of the parties are known to us, let's try to determine what are the ways to implement them. And this is exactly what we call tasks. Tasks are short-term, medium-term and long-term. Task on distant the perspective of both sides (who are our sides, you, I hope, have not forgotten yet) - to achieve military-strategic superiority in order to enter into negotiations from a position of strength. Why such an end goal? Because now it has become completely clear that none of the parties to the conflict can achieve the defeat and total defeat of the enemy. For the United States, as I said above, this is not the ultimate goal, but for Russia it turned out to be impossible, given its current military and mobilization resource, which it cannot instantly increase (this can be seen from the pace of mobilization and the speed of transition economics on military rails, which cannot be built up at the snap of a finger). Another important factor that made it impossible for us to achieve a total victory over the enemy was the degree of support for Ukraine and the involvement of third countries in the conflict (now the anti-Russian coalition has 52 countries, and the States are working to involve others in it, while trying to maintain the neutrality of states).

From here, the tasks for the short and medium term become clear. task for short-term the prospect is to build up and accumulate forces in order to create their advantage in a separate local sector of the front, where the enemy’s defense will be broken through and a local tactical victory will be achieved, which will allow entering into negotiations from a position of strength, where peace will be concluded on the terms of the winner with fixation situation at this particular moment. This tactical victory and is mid-term a task for both sides, and they are now moving towards it (the planning horizon, as I said, is six months).

Now that the tasks of the parties have been determined by us, let's try to understand what is the ultimate goal they pursue when the surrender of the opposite side is unattainable for the reasons indicated above? For the States ultimate goal in this conflict is the conclusion of peace on any conditions of the Russian Federation, subject to its own main condition - the Ukrainian loaded gun should remain hanging in the dressing room of Russia, ready to fire at any command from Washington. And for this, it is necessary to preserve the Kyiv regime on any piece of land that will remain behind it after the implementation of the medium-term task. All this is necessary for Washington to realize its main task - tying the hands of Russia and untying one's own hands for a showdown with China in the Asia-Pacific region in the Indo-Pacific theater of operations.

For Russia ultimate goal now is the prolongation of the conflict and its transfer to a sluggish regime with the sole purpose of waiting for the changing of the guard in the White House and the weakening of funding for the Kyiv regime with little blood (both ours and Ukraine’s) (both of these events will occur in 2024, which means we need to stretch out another year) . If, after a local victory in the Ukrainian theater of operations, it is possible to conclude a truce with Kyiv with the status quo fixed for the current moment, then it will be possible to say that intermediate goal reached. Time is playing on us now. When the financing of the Kyiv regime weakens (and this will happen anyway, sooner or later, because no one is going to drag Zelensky on his shoulders all his life), then he will either collapse under the weight of the economic problems that have piled on him, or Russia will help him do this, having increased his that time its military and military-industrial potential. After which it will be possible to say that final goal - the disappearance of the Ukrainian military threat along with its statehood - achieved (whether Ukraine will be torn apart into five states - Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Hungary and Russia - or all of it will become part of the Russian Federation, it is not so important, it is important that the threat disappear) . All this will happen within the next two years, let's be patient (a bird, as they say, a grain at a time). The less our and Ukrainian citizens die in this case, the better.

This concludes the report on the topic. All peace and goodness. Your Mr. Z
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  1. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 24 January 2023 09: 39
    +12
    About two years of butting to no avail, explain to the residents of Donetsk and widows in Siberia. If such cunning options for the future, then it was necessary to calculate them 10 years earlier.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 January 2023 11: 04
      -6
      https://topcor.ru/30688-svo-prodlitsja-esche-dva-goda-i-zakonchitsja-raschleneniem-ukrainy.html
      this is reading for those who are in the tank
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 24 January 2023 19: 13
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        When and how will the conflict in Ukraine end?

        What does the synagogue think about this? Everyone has heard different rumors, sorry for the tautology. laughing

        https://youtu.be/2_ZBp65tbG8
        https://youtu.be/EV_9HssyygU
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          1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 January 2023 22: 05
            +1
            somehow disappointed in Khazin - he became a hostage of his own forecasts, he promotes himself and his economic theory, I don’t believe in the Khaganate in Ukraine
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 24 January 2023 23: 25
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              As times economic forecasts come true. You should not be tied to specific deadlines, there are too many components and inadequate politicians.
              As for the general tendencies, he is right. Some come true even unexpectedly quickly.
            2. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 24 January 2023 23: 36
              -1
              As for the kaganate, there was such a topic. One of the plans of the WB for its zone included the liquidation of Israel, as a payment for an alliance with the Arabs.
              Crimea and Nikolaev, Kherson, Zaporozhye were planned for the new Israel.
              Putin took Crimea, broke the WB all the buzz. And now the Arabs are his allies.
      2. Sardli Offline Sardli
        Sardli (Alexander) 24 January 2023 20: 26
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        Are you serious? Grandpa Biden attracted Millie and made a decision ... But I thought that after the pills he just remembered his youth and knelt down in front of a woman.
  2. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 24 January 2023 09: 57
    +12
    For Russia, the ultimate task now is to drag out the conflict and transfer it to a sluggish regime with the sole goal of waiting for the changing of the guard in the White House with little blood (both their own and Ukrainian ones).

    It was smooth on paper but forgot about the ravines. Unfortunately, a “sluggish regime” is now impossible for the simple reason that Russia needs to move the Armed Forces of Ukraine away from Donetsk and reach the borders of the region. So the offensive must be continued and the terrible massacre will continue until at least the summer
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    2. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 24 January 2023 10: 59
      -8
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      Russia needs blood from the nose to move the Armed Forces of Ukraine away from Donetsk

      And how will this help the Russian economy?
      1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
        Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 24 January 2023 11: 13
        +9
        And what about the Russian economy? It's about the residents of Donetsk. They should be spared from daily shelling, other options are not discussed.
        1. Nelton Online Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 24 January 2023 11: 17
          -8
          Quote: Colonel Kudasov
          It's about the residents of Donetsk. They should be spared the daily shelling

          Residents of Kherson were evacuated in 2 weeks, residents of Donetsk had 8 years to leave from under shelling. Yes, there is nothing to stop now.
          1. In passing Online In passing
            In passing (Galina Rožkova) 25 January 2023 18: 49
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            Uh .... Donbass rent?
            1. Nelton Online Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 25 January 2023 19: 05
              +1
              Quote: In passing
              Uh .... Donbass rent?

              The withdrawal of civilians just completely unties the hands of the military in defense.
              Each house is a fortress, mining, blockages ...
              And Kherson had to be held after the evacuation of civilians.
              He would have chained to himself 10 times more forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine than the garrison needed for his defense.
              1. Svinokol Offline Svinokol
                Svinokol (Svinokol) 25 January 2023 20: 05
                -1
                ... without such an experienced field marshal as you did not immediately figure it out ... wassat ... well, now everything is clear ....
        2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
          syndicalist (Dimon) 25 January 2023 06: 24
          +2
          This is, in principle, an unsolvable problem if posed in isolation. Ukraine is constantly receiving more and more long-range ammunition
  3. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 24 January 2023 10: 00
    +8
    If the Russian Federation loses, then NATO will not stop there, and the ultimate goal is known - “decolonization”.
    1. Sailor_Popeye Offline Sailor_Popeye
      Sailor_Popeye (Sailor_Popeye) 24 January 2023 10: 21
      +3
      In order not to "lose" it was necessary to "not get involved." What did those who started it hope for?
      1. Nelton Online Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 24 January 2023 11: 01
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        Quote: Sailor_Popeye
        What did those who started it hope for?

        Apparently, they will be greeted with flowers and hugs, and the Nazis, having abandoned their javelins, will run away to Lviv and further to the west.
  4. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 24 January 2023 10: 38
    +11
    If there is even a hybrid war, then it must go on all fronts, including the economy. But there is a one-sided pressure going on here. We are under economic pressure, and we have not only not changed anything in relation to the United States, but we are also trying to preserve what was.
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 25 January 2023 06: 29
      +2
      In fact, the only lever of pressure on the West is gas. However, the past winter showed the practical insensitivity of Europe to this means of pressure. Stocks are quite enough even for next winter.
  5. Vlad Burchilo Offline Vlad Burchilo
    Vlad Burchilo (Vlad) 24 January 2023 10: 59
    +2
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    If the Russian Federation loses, then NATO will not stop there, and the ultimate goal is known - “decolonization”.

    No brainer: "appetite comes with eating."
    So Kyiv, in June, talked about returning to the situation on February 23, and now they have an appetite: Zelensky has already appointed the governor of the Krasnodar Territory, there is probably a governor in the Belgorod region and where else
    1. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
      Vox_Populi (vox populi) 25 January 2023 20: 11
      0
      Zelensky has already appointed the governor of the Krasnodar Territory, there is probably a governor in the Belgorod region and where else

      This "duck" is already rotten ... lol
  6. Yuras Offline Yuras
    Yuras (Yuras) 24 January 2023 12: 20
    +3
    Yes, well done amerikosy rogues know how to work, and we? The world is a table and poker is played on it. Bluff, the ability to control oneself even with a bad hand layout, and at the same time win using any method (deception, cheating), and what they are afraid of in front of everyone on the side is what the player has a colt, stick, gun and (grenade symbol yao). The USSR led us so far to the moment when a passenger plane was shot down with a rocket, like on May 9, a Malaysian Boeing, Nord Stream, Skripals, white helmets is an information war. And we? What? So cunningly and subtly can't we? What's stopping you, the Orthodox faith? Prepare the house, put the corpses of people there, as unidentified (no relatives) and launch a missile from a submarine from under America so that the trajectory and the pallet are from there, the house is in the trash, national mourning America has lost its shores. On this day of mourning, we must answer the statement (not to let any of their bought international experts get close), we break off that direct telephone connection through which the Americans call (well, how can you stand it, the world must be kept from direct use of nuclear weapons) and ours ourselves they run, and yes, yes, we have a doctrine. To have on hand lists of who from the highest authorities and deputies have children, relatives and very close people in America and London, quietly take them into circulation with the aim of making calls across the ocean that day. "son, daughter, mother, brother, etc." drop everything and run to the airport. I’m sure while they are doing this with Russia, there is control (unspoken) behind them, imagine a gap and a statement, the flight of those who are so close to power the next day black smoke over embassies in America and London, repartners are filming videos of abandoned cars of children (stuck in traffic jams) . Uhhhh is breathtaking and even if it’s not us, but they make excuses like it’s not us, there’s so much shouting about and without Russia, Russia, Putin, how many will believe that it’s us ourselves?
  7. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 24 January 2023 12: 33
    +6
    the author in each article stubbornly repeats one thought - a sluggish conflict is beneficial to Russia, I don’t know who first said such nonsense (although I guess that the legs grow from the Kremlin), but in fact this delay leads to a huge number of victims and destruction, and in general, will the people want Russia tolerate such a government that chews snot and cannot do anything due to its impotence
    1. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 24 January 2023 14: 07
      -2
      Quote: rotkiv04
      sluggish conflict is beneficial to Russia

      Slow conflict is the lesser of evils.
      Victory over NATO with conventional weapons is impossible,
      the same does not happen in a nuclear conflict.
      To give everything away and pay trillions of "compensations" (if we consider all options) is not the way out, the sanctions will not be lifted anyway.

      And so - the sluggish conflict will be annoying for everyone, the "draft potential" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will disperse throughout the EU, who is younger, who is older in retirement.
    2. VID 2 Offline VID 2
      VID 2 24 January 2023 14: 19
      +1
      "from the Kremlin" delaying the business environment is not profitable!
  8. OJSC KonProk Offline OJSC KonProk
    OJSC KonProk (KonProk JSC) 24 January 2023 13: 13
    0
    Do you think Xi will go to Taiwan? at best, in the 27th year after being elected for a 4th term.
    1. Vasya_33 Offline Vasya_33
      Vasya_33 24 January 2023 13: 30
      +1
      no. He still has at least 5-6 years. will be waiting on the shore for the "corpse" of the dollar ...
      and then it will be possible to skim the cream (Taiwan) without firing a shot.
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 January 2023 13: 26
    +1
    In general, if you drain the water, for which they fought, they ran into something.

    For Russia, the ultimate task now is to drag out the conflict and .... wait for the changing of the guard in the White House .....

    In general, as before the "authorities" promised the "terpils" the Moon by the year 15, so now they say, sit on the shore and wait for the current to carry the corpse of the enemy, or new deliveries of NATO weapons, or new noodles, or population reduction and HIV, or new NATO countries, coffee grounds, import substitution, SU75 and so on, so on, so on ...
    1. Sailor_Popeye Offline Sailor_Popeye
      Sailor_Popeye (Sailor_Popeye) 24 January 2023 14: 00
      +1
      "Sit on the beach", yeah. Will not work. You have to sit in a trench, and this is a big difference. wink
      1. Vasya_33 Offline Vasya_33
        Vasya_33 25 January 2023 11: 46
        +1
        still yes. I am still of military age (DMB 88).

        why did I write: ...will skim cream?
        The Russian Federation is now “plowing like a slave in a galley” (on all fronts), and by that time China will have the 1st economy, army and navy. And in the medium-long term, He will still declare Himself ...
  10. VID 2 Offline VID 2
    VID 2 24 January 2023 14: 15
    0
    Mr. Z heard - *the devil is in the details*?
    a) The Soviet Union promised: 1 not to use nuclear weapons, and the Russian Federation undertook to comply with the Union treaties.
    b) our economy will not survive a protracted war
    c) we can get a "second front * the United States is not a pity * bitches"
  11. Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) 24 January 2023 14: 37
    +2
    The fact that the main goal of the United States is not Russia (for now), but China - as the main financial and technological competitor - has long been clear. The AUKUS block was created specifically for the Indo-Pacific theater of operations. To do this, they even had to "bend over" France with their project to build 12 nuclear submarines in Australia (where is France, and where is Australia, however). But how will Russia behave, bound by some "relations" with China? And leaving it "behind your back" is extremely short-sighted (the visit of the "grandmother", which went into circulation, to Taiwan showed this). This is with regard to "long-term prospects" (and they have not disappeared anywhere, they have simply been postponed).
    And then the clown Zelya appears ... With the regime of which all "Nuland cookies" are just childish pranks in the sandbox. Refuse such an opportunity? Uh-huh, right now ... Moreover, the entire policy of the Kremlin was built for many years by such "figures" as Surkov, Chernomyrdin, Zurabov ... The oligarch, a hereditary nationalist Medvedchuk, played a certain role in this, convincing the "Kremlin" that "with the Nazis we can agree "... He took an active part in the exchange of prisoners in 2014 according to the "Kyiv" scenario. From here - and a breakthrough to Kyiv, Gostomel ... Pure puncture of our intelligence, moreover, political intelligence ... Blitzkrieg did not work out - the war began (that is, NVO. With incomprehensible tasks, goals and prospects). With pumping weapons on both sides and manpower.
    This is about "medium-term prospects", moreover, with varying degrees of success ...
    As for the so-called. "short-term prospects" ... Everything here lies in the political plane, in observing the interests of certain "sides". It was not so easy for Abramovich to wander along the Moscow-Kyiv-Istanbul route ...
    That's somewhere like this, in my understanding "from the couch", in short.
    But basically - I agree with the author in his scenario of the current situation.
  12. grandfather Panas (grandfather Panas) 24 January 2023 15: 09
    +2
    The article is a complete vinaigrette, porridge! The conclusion about the need to prolong the war for the Russian Federation is nonsense! It DOES NOT matter who sits in the White House. IN GENERAL! There is a change from the 5th to the 6th technological order. lasted 20-25 years). The acute phase began approximately from the crisis of 7-8 years. It was partially canceled by monetary easing programs. Somewhere in 2018, its acceleration began. previous shifts took place THROUGH the warriors. ALL !! So now, REGARDLESS of the results of the war in Ukraine, the "change of places in the world pyramid of the division of labor" will continue to occur. There is, exaggeratedly, a struggle for places on Olympus. And the losers (the Russian Federation is clearly losing and cannot build its own, relatively independent system of division of labor. It tries, but cannot. It is IMPOSSIBLE to build this without changing the elite, which Putin flatly refuses to do. The Russian Federation is not carried out - in fact, a myth and spontaneous jerks). It is absolutely clear that these zones will be at least: American, Chinese, Indian. Latin American is questionable. They bury it in vain! It will definitely remain in some format. It is only a question of its distribution zone.
    1. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 24 January 2023 15: 50
      0
      Quote: grandfather Panas
      As a result of the struggle will someone's raw material appendage

      And it was once different .... "Gas in exchange for pipes", "I will fuse stump and wood for them under this antires ..."

      It is generally difficult for commodity countries to jump off the commodity needle.

      But in the medium term, it is clear what to do -
      deploy infrastructure to the east, increase localization.

      God forbid, localized products will be more or less acceptable quality / price by world standards, and over time it will be possible to export something.
      In a past life, let's say, we managed to become a wagon supplier for the Deutsche Bahn and win a tender for the supply of suburban trains to Argentina.
      Now we need the same thing, but without Western components.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 24 January 2023 23: 53
      -3
      Grandpa, you're contradicting yourself. So they bury them in vain or - unambiguously in some format? The rejection of the dollar is inevitable, since it has long ceased to be money on the market and has become the monetary and political arbitrariness of one country over all the others.
  13. Damir of Vseslavsky (Damir of Vseslavsky) 24 January 2023 15: 16
    -2
    The article is good, the topic is disclosed. In order to make peace on the terms of the winner - Russia, it is only necessary to open a second front for the United States in Syria. There, the United States created 15 bases and operational centers in the areas of Hasakeh, Raqqa, Manbij, Deir ez-Zor, and At-Tanf. The designated territories are Syria, and Syria has the right to defend itself and its sovereign territory within its internationally recognized borders. Attack all these bases with missiles by the hands of the Syrian army. Several issues are being resolved at once: a second front for the United States and switching their attention to this region, coffins to America, the liberation of Syrian territory from the "hegemon" and Russia's strong position in the negotiations. And then everyone forgot about it probably. Joker up your sleeve! Set the Middle East on fire for America - let them feel their own technologies. This is for them and for Engels and for Dmitry Rogozin and for all the HIMARS strikes under their strict guidance on military and non-military facilities on the territory of Russia! Only for the implementation of this plan, decisiveness and strong political will of V.V. Putin personally.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 24 January 2023 23: 45
      0
      Damir so everything will be as you described it is just a matter of time!
    2. Daniel P Offline Daniel P
      Daniel P (Danil P) 27 January 2023 03: 05
      0
      But there are big problems with the latter. This is a good option, as you wrote, only Putin will never do this. We know.
  14. Egor13 Offline Egor13
    Egor13 (Egor) 24 January 2023 17: 22
    +6
    A couple of months ago I read your fabrications thinking and analyzing - now you write more and more nonsense every time
  15. EMMM Offline EMMM
    EMMM 24 January 2023 18: 09
    -1
    I must accuse the author of ignorance of the background. I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the number of arrivals to Donetsk from February 10 to 23 last year.
    And secondly, in six months there will be no peace agreement! In 5-6 years, our tanks will complete the denazification and de-blueization in Hawaii.
    And finally, the author for some reason puts Asia, Africa and Latin America in the role of extras. I dare to assure you that when our tanks approach the Polish border, the number of allies will increase dramatically
    1. In passing Online In passing
      In passing (Galina Rožkova) 25 January 2023 19: 03
      -3
      And even France will be drawn among the winners. Macron is already twitching.
  16. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 24 January 2023 19: 11
    +5
    There is only one question - will the delivery of heavy weapons by the West become a real red line for the Kremlin, after which the will will be shown:
    1. In the destruction of transport and energy and railway. infrastructure of Ukraine
    2. Humiliating supplies of oil, gas and grain are closed
    3. Modern enemies are publicly named, including those who fought for Nazi Germany and carried out the genocide of Leningrad
    4. Diplomatic and economic relations with the countries that have supplied heavy offensive weapons to Ukraine have been severed.
    5. Calls and requests for negotiations have been stopped
    6. Exit from the moratorium on nuclear tests, etc.
    If we continue to swallow snot, then everyone will consider Russia a weak-willed country, looking for how to quickly surrender and return trips to the West, return property and former friendship to the oligarchs ...
    1. Vasya_33 Offline Vasya_33
      Vasya_33 24 January 2023 20: 31
      +2
      1. In the destruction of transport and energy and railway. infrastructure of Ukraine

      “According to the residents of Kharkov, the transfer of armored vehicles by two trains to Kupyansk was noted. Western-style armored vehicles are unloaded at the marshalling yard and sent in the direction of the Svatovo settlement,” Andriy Marochko said. 22.01.23/XNUMX/XNUMX

      I watched a program where he (Marochko) was asked live on the air: how did this happen?
      who are interested in what he answered, I think you can find it on the internet.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 24 January 2023 23: 42
      -3
      Moscow, you write - Appeals and requests for negotiations have been stopped. The question is how do you understand these very negotiations, otherwise it seems from your words that Russia has already fought, realized that it has already lost and asks for peace in the negotiations. Share how you imagine these requests for negotiations!
  17. VICTOR VALENTINOVICH (VIKTOR VALENTINOVICH) 24 January 2023 19: 44
    0
    Thank you very much for the information and sober analysis. A very interesting point of view.
  18. Sol R Offline Sol R
    Sol R (Sol R) 24 January 2023 20: 24
    -1
    Everything goes according to the scenario in the invasion of the Afghan / Soviets.
    Everything was the same. The author expects the funding to stop, but forgets that the states have been funding the Mujahideen for 10 years.
    For the states 50 - 100 lard a year for the war, this is 0,03% of their GDP. They can fight forever.
  19. Shmurzik Offline Shmurzik
    Shmurzik (Seymslav) 24 January 2023 20: 52
    +1
    For those who believe that in Ukraine we are at war with Ukraine, I suggest that they immediately go for a walk (treatment of the hopelessly ill is not my profile)

    And this is already a clinical case - ask any psycho in a psychiatric hospital if he is sick, what will he answer? ... Yes, everyone around except him is sick ...

    but they don’t write about it, I’m translating it for you from American into Russian, revealing the hidden subtext of this publication).

    ... it’s like ... and for a long time it dawned on you, to put it mildly, that? And then after all, we will not wait for the shepherd's sheep!

    then you absolutely in vain scolded the Medinsky team - Putin knew what he was doing, he tried to fix the profit obtained in February-March with little bloodshed and reach a truce necessary to build up forces, but the scoundrel Johnson broke everything off

    And who is the fool in this situation? ... well, it’s clearly not Johnson and not the State Department! ...
    That's all ... - I won’t master this masterpiece any further, - because "Ostap was hungry and he suffered!..."

    Your Mr. Z

    And VOZ is still there ...
    Curtain...
  20. Sol R Offline Sol R
    Sol R (Sol R) 24 January 2023 21: 39
    +2
    The US is considering sending 30-50 Abrams tanks to Ukraine.

    Scholz decided to send Leopard 2A6 tanks to Ukraine

    Finland is ready to supply tanks to Ukraine and train the Armed Forces of Ukraine in their use, Finnish President Sauli Niinistö said.

    Poland, Britain transfer tanks.

    Is this the plan? Demilitarization of Soviet weapons to European ones?
  21. kot.sobaka9999gmail.com 24 January 2023 22: 21
    +1
    From the anthem of Ukraine:

    We will sacrifice body and soul for our freedom....

    Senator Lindsey Graham said that if Ukraine is given the support it needs, Ukrainians will “fight until the LAST Ukrainian.” Everything falls into place.
  22. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 24 January 2023 23: 20
    +1
    The less our and Ukrainian citizens die in this case, the better.

    Obviously only the first.
    Regarding the second position of the Russian Federation, it seems that since the beginning of the NWO has changed.
  23. grandfather Panas (grandfather Panas) 24 January 2023 23: 28
    +5
    Quote: Volkonsky
    somehow disappointed in Khazin - he became a hostage of his own forecasts, he promotes himself and his economic theory, I don’t believe in the Khaganate in Ukraine

    He has one fundamental contradiction to himself. It is because of this that his theory will NOT work in practice. And Khazin very diligently, only casually and extremely rarely touches on this issue, bypasses it. In addition, Putin does not even want to see motes. He is not a man, but already a legend. For about 15 years I have been actively interested in the works of Khazin theoretically, but in practice everything is completely different. .
  24. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 24 January 2023 23: 28
    -1
    With all due respect to the author, the events described are nothing more than the fruit of his inflamed imagination, built on some statements by Clausewitz and his own wishes, which are based on statements about the goals of the war with a claim on the goals of any war. But if the author had taken our own as an authoritative statement - Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword - what would the author’s rhetoric be then? Could he even admit, as simply an assumption, not a fact, that someone, no matter who it is, will be able to impose on Moscow unacceptable peace conditions for her, except for Moscow's acceptance of the surrender of the imposer himself? Proceed from here, dear author, and then everything will be written from the position of Moscow and not some Joe! About the plans of which you know, but Moscow is neither a dream nor a spirit. Are you really sure about this? And why don’t you even admit that with the appearance of longer-range missiles and the shelling of the Crimea, as a reconquest of Ukrainian non-Russian territory, Moscow will not begin to destroy the means of delivery of these weapons under any flag, not reaching the territory of Ukraine at all? Moscow could easily view such supplies as a threat to its sovereignty and existence. Or will Putin wait until NATO troops enter the war? And only then will he begin to move from words to deeds?
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 January 2023 00: 18
      -1
      as for the inflamed imagination - I would be careful with expressions, in everything else we are on the same side of the barricades, Clausewitz fought with Napoleon in the ranks of the Russian army, this is so noteworthy. Regarding the answer - I'm waiting for it for the airfields of our strategists - this is an incident belli
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 25 January 2023 06: 59
        -3
        Author, casus belli, so what? Maybe then all of a sudden those who here accused our president of co-conspiracy will begin to accuse him of unleashing a third world war? And what punishments do you expect for our airfields? Maybe you need to first deal with those in the air defense who missed the ogram (s) target and did not destroy it yet on the launch site? And maybe there are statements from our military strategists with statements about the war? Maybe from Suvorov or Kutuzov or from the generals of the time of the Second World War. Why such love for what you brought?
        About the inflamed imagination. The whole point is for you to understand why I put it this way, that our president is a stranger to you, this can be seen even by the blind from your statements, but for me and tens of millions of Russians he is a father, a king and a god!
  25. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 25 January 2023 00: 01
    0
    The US position is extremely simplified. It's not about Grandpa Joe.
    There, only the Democrats (those who brought Bidon to power) have at least 4 groups. And each has its own interests. For example, in the fall, Obama was extremely skeptical about increased aid to Ukraine.
    And now the Republicans have taken Congress. For example, when McCarthy was elected speaker of Congress, he was charged with a number of rules.
    https://t.me/MIrvMomente/20456
    One of them is no increase in the debt ceiling. And the debt has already (January 19) exceeded the previous ceiling.
    The US has political chaos on the agenda. Congress for Republicans, Senate for Democrats. But the Democrats are in turmoil.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 January 2023 00: 20
      -1
      always glad to a smart interlocutor
  26. Suvorov Offline Suvorov
    Suvorov (Vyacheslav) 25 January 2023 03: 25
    0
    A very realistic scenario.
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  28. grandfather Panas (grandfather Panas) 25 January 2023 05: 11
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    Quote from Nelton.
    Quote: grandfather Panas
    As a result of the struggle will someone's raw material appendage

    And it was once different .... "Gas in exchange for pipes", "I will fuse stump and wood for them under this antires ..."

    It is generally difficult for commodity countries to jump off the commodity needle.

    But in the medium term, it is clear what to do -
    deploy infrastructure to the east, increase localization.

    God forbid, localized products will be more or less acceptable quality / price by world standards, and over time it will be possible to export something.
    In a past life, let's say, we managed to become a wagon supplier for the Deutsche Bahn and win a tender for the supply of suburban trains to Argentina.
    Now we need the same thing, but without Western components.

    Yes, it was. The USSR, whatever it was, was based on its own full-cycle zone with all the main industries and the CMEA zone. The exit of the USSR with its gas and oil to the world market in the 70s is just a mechanism to raise the living standards of citizens due to a slowdown in economic growth (stagnation) and the complete exhaustion of foreign markets (the United States faced the same a little earlier, but in the early 80s they adopted the so-called "raygonomics" - internal stimulation of demand through the development of consumer lending to the population, and Gorbachev tn "perestroika" (he could not finish it on a positive note for the country).
    ... It’s generally difficult for countries with raw materials ... - it’s not difficult if the elite is interested, understands what to do (no need to invent a new bicycle - the mechanisms have long been invented) and will be able to knock out a higher place in the global system of division of labor. Now is the time for the Overton window. The world began to divide into new large clusters (zones). ALWAYS when changing technological structures (the active phase began in 7-8 years), there is a process of struggle for places in the newly created e-th pyramid. It will be finally formed in 28-33 years.
    1. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 25 January 2023 10: 01
      -2
      Quote: grandfather Panas
      Whatever the USSR was, it was based on its own full-cycle zone with all the main industries and the CMEA zone

      Do not strongly idealize the USSR.
      You yourself write -

      The exit with its gas and oil to the world market of the USSR in the 70s is just a mechanism to raise the living standards of citizens

      And it’s in the Ukrainian SSR that you rolled around like cheese in butter.
      And in the regions of the RSFSR - at the end of the prosperous 197s, in a number of regions they were forced to introduce coupons for 500 grams of meat and 300 grams of butter per month. Such is the rise in living standards for ordinary citizens.
      And this is when buying tens of millions of tons of grain from the most sworn ones.
      Well, the same deal - the pipes themselves could not produce for the g / n.
      So much for "all major productions".
      If you look at the RSFSR taken separately, then, relative to other CMEA republics / countries, it was a raw materials appendage, pumped oil / gas / timber, received equipment / components / finished products - from your same Ukraine. Until 2014, the share of Ukrainian equipment and components in all sectors of the Russian industry was significant.
      Well, yes, the military-industrial complex was concentrated in the RSFSR. What that military-industrial complex is worth in a non-nuclear clash was shown by numerous Arab-Israeli wars, especially the air defense pogrom in 1982 in Lebanon.

      By 22/02/2022, a lot of things were localized/adjusted, but of course not everything.
      By the "tough decision" of one statesman, a number of industries were thrown back 10 years ago, and now commentators are mocking and gee-gee-kayut (they are still "patriots").
      But there is reason to believe that the second time this path will be done faster than in 10 years.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 25 January 2023 12: 37
        +2
        Well, yes, the military-industrial complex was concentrated in the RSFSR.

        Something not very he concentrated in the RSFSR. Yuzhmash, Motor Sich, Antonov, Kharkov Armored, Kharkov Aviation, Nikolaev Shipyards, Aircraft Plant in Tbilisi, Torpedoes in Kyrgyzstan, Plant named after. Pegelman, in Riga, WEF and not only, in Belarus, MZKT and electronics, an aircraft plant in Uzbekistan ...
        This is so, offhand, not even all that I know. And I know, of course, not everything.
        If we take it relative to the population, then another question is where the military-industrial complex was larger, in the RSFSR or in the "fraternal" republics.
        1. Nelton Online Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 25 January 2023 13: 15
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          Quote: boriz
          he was not very concentrated in the RSFSR. Yuzhmash

          not only in the RSFSR, yes.

          Quote: boriz
          If we take it relative to the population, then another question is where the military-industrial complex was larger, in the RSFSR or in the "fraternal" republics.

          The general concept is that in the middle of the country (in the RSFSR) the most important factories for the military-industrial complex, in the western republics, which are relatively more vulnerable to attack, are less critical consumer goods.

          How many in the end, in fact, worked at the factories of the military-industrial complex in% of the population is of course a question.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 25 January 2023 13: 52
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            The general concept is that in the middle of the country (in the RSFSR) the most important factories for the military-industrial complex, in the western republics, which are relatively more vulnerable to attack, are less critical consumer goods.

            I heard about the official concept at school, I'm 67 years old, if anything.
            But it’s not in vain that I brought the names of the factories. Kharkov - tanks and engines for them. Yuzhmash and Motor Sich - engines for missiles (including intercontinental ones, up to Satan) and aircraft / helicopters. What is the use of Satan's warhead if there is no engine? Everyone has heard about turbines for warships, which Nikolaev stopped supplying.
            This is not to mention various electronics, I did not name these factories. Believe me, it is not at all trifling.
            Already Ukraine was pumped up with technology to the point of madness. And even before the Great Patriotic War.
            USSR since 1919. until 1976 directly at the highest level, the mafia of Ukrainians / pioneers ruled. But even then, little has changed. Over the years, all echelons of power have become saturated with people from this group. And this continued until recent years. Gas for free, in the competition for a transport aircraft for the Russian Air Force, the AN wins, not the IL, although the IL had the best characteristics (now it has been cleaned up on the Internet), the non-existent "Russian World" ...
      2. Panasyuk-Pupkin Offline Panasyuk-Pupkin
        Panasyuk-Pupkin (Panasyuk-Pupkin) 25 January 2023 14: 56
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        Nelton (Oleg), oh, the admins don't let me live in peace on this site. What don't they like?
        You drove something into the wrong steppe. WHERE DID I IDEALIZE THE USSR? I wrote about the fact that he HAD OWN a relatively independent eq-i zone! Do you even understand what it is? If you don’t know what it is, then at least don’t write nonsense! A statement of fact is NOT its idealization.
        ... And it’s in your Ukrainian SSR that you rolled like cheese in butter ...- from the same area of ​​​​twisting and distorting. See above! WHERE I WROTE that the Ukrainian SSR rolled like cheese in butter ????? (to the words of grandfather Panas) or DO NOT lie!
        1. Nelton Online Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 25 January 2023 15: 46
          -1
          Quote: Panasyuk-Pupkin
          I wrote about the fact that he had his own relatively independent ex-zone!

          This is what idealization is.
          The USSR throughout its recent history was highly dependent on supplies from countries that were not members of the CMEA.
          Accordingly, the zone may have been, but also dependent.

          Quote: Panasyuk-Pupkin
          WHERE I WROTE that the Ukrainian SSR rolled around like cheese in butter?

          I wrote this as a remark to "raise the standard of living of citizens."
          For citizens of the regions of the RSFSR, the standard of living, even raised by imports, was very so-so.
          In the Ukrainian SSR it was significantly higher.

          boriz (boriz) Ukraine was pumped up with technologies

          Yes. and not only.
          Let's say a computer cluster within the framework of the CMEA decided to do in Bulgaria.

          All this only confirms the thesis that even in the days of the USSR, a slaughtered colony was made from the RSFSR, from which resources were pumped to the Western republics and CMEA countries.
          1. In passing Online In passing
            In passing (Galina Rožkova) 25 January 2023 20: 12
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            As for the clogged colony, this is unlikely (c). But the donor of the RSFSR was for everyone. And neighbors, and who is far away. And then Russia forgave the debts.
          2. Panasyuk-Pupkin Offline Panasyuk-Pupkin
            Panasyuk-Pupkin (Panasyuk-Pupkin) 25 January 2023 22: 02
            +1
            You are talking COMPLETE nonsense and have no idea WHAT IT IS TALKING ABOUT! Such nonsense can only be carried by someone who a priori DOES NOT understand how not only the world system of division of labor works, but also DOES NOT even know the basics of political economy. Other options are worse and I don’t voice them budu.About Ukraine and cheese - children's excuses for a man pinned to the wall on a lie.
            PSModern economics, even Chinese and American ones, cannot be completely independent. The commodity-production matrix and so on are so large that no one can do it, and you are unlikely to find anyone who wants to go back a hundred years.
            So DO NOT talk nonsense, and even more so some complete nonsense about idealization, and look at the latest foreign trade of the USSR over the years, where you can clearly track your next nonsense about "the dependence of the USSR is strong on non-CMEA countries." What is this nonsense? From jeans with India depended, huh?
            You are forcing me to be an advocate for a system that I am not particularly enthusiastic about, but outright hate is also alien to me.
            1. Nelton Online Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 25 January 2023 23: 42
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              Quote: Panasyuk-Pupkin
              nonsense? They depended on jeans from India, huh?

              The USSR purchased 20+ million tons of grain per year from the USA/Canada.
              The USSR did not master the production of pipes for those gas pipelines.
              More or less normal factories - VAZ, KAMAZ - were built for us by the bourgeoisie.

              And all this is for oil and gas.

              PSModern eq-ki even Chinese and American can NOT be completely independent.

              With this I do not argue.

              About Ukraine and cheese - children's excuses for a man pinned to the wall on a lie.

              Once again, you put forward the thesis that for the USSR, the sale of oil and gas made it possible to raise the standard of living of the people.
              I do not argue with this, but I clarify that, with all the equality in different republics, the regions lived differently.
              The Ukrainian SSR lived much better than the Kuibyshev/Kostroma regions of the RSFSR.
              1. Panasyuk-Pupkin Offline Panasyuk-Pupkin
                Panasyuk-Pupkin (Panasyuk-Pupkin) 26 January 2023 01: 55
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                Why did the Ukrainian SSR live better or worse HERE? I am writing ABOUT THE COMPLETE SHIT that you are talking about, even NOT KNOWING according to the inter-industry and foreign trade balance of the USSR! The USSR had about 40% of the civil air fleet of the WORLD! What kind of grain ???? Yours when you are trying to compare the ratio of a high-tech product with raw materials, without even analyzing the reasons for some different decisions and studying the data?
                In short, the leading role in the emergence of the phenomenon of large grain imports with significant domestic grain production was played by the features of the interaction between the world market and planned-command economy of the USSR in the field of pricing
                for a number of foreign trade products in a favorable foreign economic environment for the Soviet Union (I recommend reading: https://elar.urfu.ru/bitstream/10995/4992/2/dais-14-10-2009.pdf.). That is, the authorities The USSR believed that the oil versus grain scheme was beneficial for a number of reasons. Likewise, the United States, being a large grain producer, BUYED part of the volumes for some of the possible reasons: a lack due to the poor yield of some kind of grain; logistics problems; high-low world price in some year, etc.
                That is, you constantly jump to some left-wing conclusions, without even delving into the problems and without studying all the balances, etc.
                I have not dealt with questions and I am not going to deal with who lived better or worse in the regions of the USSR. I am not interested in this. It's all relative.
                1. Nelton Online Nelton
                  Nelton (Oleg) 26 January 2023 10: 18
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                  Quote: Panasyuk-Pupkin
                  The USSR had about 40% of the civil air fleet of the WORLD!

                  But only an insignificant amount of Yak-40 was sold for hard currency ...
                  (2 to Italy, 5 to Germany, 4 were returned from Germany after 3 years, 1 broke).

                  Quote: Panasyuk-Pupkin
                  features of the interaction of the world market and planned-command economy of the USSR

                  I read it, thanks.
                  I have nothing against world trade, but if it goes on and not "Indian jeans" are purchased, but critically needed goods and raw materials (and grain, pipes, equipment, factories, etc. are among them), then there is no need to talk about "independent economic zone".

                  If at the same time, raw materials totally prevail in trade for hard currency for export, then it is worth curbing the ardor in criticizing the structure of exports / imports of the Russian Federation.

                  the same RF provides itself with grain, and exports in horse volumes.
                  And for all flows - she rolls the pipes herself, she makes the compressors herself (
                  localization is not 146%, but is increasing).
                  1. Panasyuk-Pupkin Offline Panasyuk-Pupkin
                    Panasyuk-Pupkin (Panasyuk-Pupkin) 26 January 2023 21: 36
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                    uncle, Nelton (Oleg), you are either a complete ... or a goofy provocateur. Your choice. Not only are you lying, you are also constantly talking complete nonsense! .I originally WROTE that DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGICAL ZONES (and the USA of the USSR were DIFFERENT zones) interact to a limited extent. What are the sold piece Yaks? This stupidly confirms my words and your next stupidity! in the USSR, EVERYTHING was ABSOLUTELY credited for development at the expense of RUBLEVA (where and how much money they decided to give themselves, WITHOUT coordinating with anyone "from above") emissions and free circulation of currency - this was an article. Foreign economic activity could be engaged exclusively under the direct supervision of the government! I repeat once again - for the START, study what the DIVISION OF LABOR IS and the principles of the existence of economic zones. I don’t understand how not to understand such elementary things even from about the 5th time.
  29. Radmir08 Online Radmir08
    Radmir08 (Radmir) 25 January 2023 09: 30
    +2
    For Russia, the ultimate task now is to drag out the conflict and transfer it to a sluggish regime with the sole goal of waiting for the changing of the guard in the White House and the weakening of funding for the Kyiv regime (both of these events will occur in 2024, which means that take another year)

    - what an infantile forecast! Do you really think that all our plans are based on the hope of changing the administration of the White House? Maybe on the contrary, is the White House hoping for a change in the Kremlin? Our task is to deplete the states and their sixes with little blood in order to punish and put them in a stall where they belong (mind you not at the bucket, for nobility). Or do you think that we are just going to forgive the death of our guys? At first there was an order (December 2021) - they didn’t understand. Then came punishment (in progress). Forgiveness will come at the end of the punishment. It's elementary, Watson. Everything works like that. And the expert of the article is a real "couch".
  30. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 25 January 2023 14: 23
    +3
    Is the sluggish conflict profitable for us for a couple of years? I disagree with the author fundamentally. From 300 tons mobilized in autumn 22 by autumn 23, 20% will remain if there are no large-scale battles. We have almost no personnel, someone broke the contract on February 24 and got on the move , again, for the rotation of those who will remain to recruit at least half a million civilians? 300 tons were called up and already in civilian life the enterprises sank in terms of personnel, and in the summer and autumn we will call for at least 500 tons, and they will definitely have to be called up in the fall, our economy will get cancer. in which areas you didn’t really replace imports, but call on civilians again, boldly put a fat cross on the development of the country. We don’t have schools, technical schools for training civilians who have fallen out of their own hands. And as I see now there is already a shortage, young people for 30 years have never looked towards factories and factories, and now even more so. So playing for a long time means both on the theater of operations and in civilian life, it means to take a pose of cancer. the trenches will not understand why they are sitting here for the second year, and the question will arise, how much longer to be in the trenches.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 25 January 2023 23: 25
      +3
      A sluggish conflict is an American dream. Although he is sluggish, he will eat money, life also, albeit less, in the minds there will be a reversal. This is a big weight for Russia.
  31. Vadim Sharygin Offline Vadim Sharygin
    Vadim Sharygin (Citizen) 25 January 2023 17: 04
    +4
    That's when a long-range rocket flies under the back of "Mr. Zed", sending the author of the article in parts to the heavenly dustbin of history, then, perhaps, it will reach him, minus all his verbosity, what to WAIT and WAIT, like manna from heaven, "the right choices" in the USA or something else positive from the outside - like death for Russia! Stunningly decisive and large-scale actions are needed, the sooner they begin, the more likely they are not to meet two hundred thousand Poles and other official NATO units in the steppes of Ukraine. The offensive must be supported by: carpet bombardments of ukrov positions, shells with tactical nuclear charges, a powerful rocket salvo along Bankovaya Street and the Zeli bunker, the complete destruction of all bridges, the second wave of mobilization with a call volume of at least half a million people, the use of volumetric or vacuum explosion ammunition, the creation of divisions of the people's militias to protect the rear and communications, an ultimatum to NATO countries: either stop deliveries, or we will strike nuclear weapons at the supplier countries. After all, we will still come to the need for all these measures: the only question is in what situation: urgently, under the pressure of circumstances, or preempting events? Here you are, Mr. Zed, and the whole "sofa" of folk wisdom!
    1. In passing Online In passing
      In passing (Galina Rožkova) 25 January 2023 19: 24
      -2
      If there is a chance to avoid your scenario, Putin uses it.
  32. In passing Online In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 25 January 2023 20: 04
    +3
    Interesting article. Thank you. Who sits in the White House - all the same. Any of them have a task - the economy of the states, the interests of the states. And the war with China does not fit here. Taiwan is a way of pressure, as is Tibet, and Xinjiang, and other human rights and a world based on rules. Their rules. So Ukraine is a way of putting pressure on Russia, and an instrument of influence on Europe. For the benefit of the state economy. And nothing more ! The world has approached the line beyond which the common man is left to pray silently. Until this line is crossed, it remains to quietly pray for the victory of Russian weapons. Otherwise the world will be ruled by evil spirits. Ukraine, this is the first frontier, then no one will give Russia a rest, and they will never accept it into the club of the "chosen ones", which the Russian elite still does not understand, otherwise all the children would have been removed into the country long ago. There is a monstrous shortage in the states, the Chinese and Japanese are selling treasuries, and war and robbery are the only salvation for them. In Ukraine, Russia must respect its own interests. Fight with little bloodshed, as quickly as possible. But this is the task of the military. The task of politicians and diplomats is not to compromise, it is only a deception and a delay. And to pass, at last, to rigid methods. Yankees, go home. This should be the minimum task. And a maximum task. Maybe there is no need for loud victories, maybe in small steps. Anywhere and everywhere. And you have to win. How much and how it will be, no one knows.
  33. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 25 January 2023 20: 07
    +1
    For the United States, the ultimate goal in this conflict is to conclude peace on any terms of the Russian Federation, subject to its own main condition - a Ukrainian loaded gun should remain hanging in Russia's dressing room, ready to fire at any command from Washington. And for this, it is necessary to preserve the Kyiv regime on any piece of land, which will remain behind it after the implementation of the medium-term task

    About the conclusion of peace on any terms of the Russian Federation - at the moment from the field of unscientific fiction.

    For Russia, the ultimate task now is to drag out the conflict and transfer it to a sluggish regime with the sole goal of waiting for the changing of the guard in the White House and weakening the funding of the Kyiv regime

    We have already heard something similar from the field of unpromising ideas / explanations ...
  34. Panasyuk-Pupkin Offline Panasyuk-Pupkin
    Panasyuk-Pupkin (Panasyuk-Pupkin) 25 January 2023 21: 38
    +1
    Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
    Grandpa, you're contradicting yourself. So they bury them in vain or - unambiguously in some format? The rejection of the dollar is inevitable, since it has long ceased to be money on the market and has become the monetary and political arbitrariness of one country over all the others.

    You contradict yourself! It is absolutely clearly written and clear that the circulation of the dollar will be ONLY LIMITED outside its "main habitat zone" (technological zone), and not its replacement with some other basket of currencies or even liquidation and replacement, for example, with a conditional amero.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 January 2023 17: 35
      0
      Panasyuk, and if it’s quite simple for an example - The purchase of our US rocket engines for rubles.
  35. Bahadur Offline Bahadur
    Bahadur (Stanislas) 26 January 2023 01: 34
    0
    Quote: Vadim Sharygin
    That's when a long-range rocket flies under the back of "Mr. Zed", sending the author of the article in parts to the heavenly dustbin of history, then, perhaps, it will reach him, minus all his verbosity, what to WAIT and WAIT, like manna from heaven, "the right choices" in the USA or something else positive from the outside - like death for Russia! Stunningly decisive and large-scale actions are needed, the sooner they begin, the more likely they are not to meet two hundred thousand Poles and other official NATO units in the steppes of Ukraine. The offensive must be supported by: carpet bombardments of ukrov positions, shells with tactical nuclear charges, a powerful rocket salvo along Bankovaya Street and the Zeli bunker, the complete destruction of all bridges, the second wave of mobilization with a call volume of at least half a million people, the use of volumetric or vacuum explosion ammunition, the creation of divisions of the people's militias to protect the rear and communications, an ultimatum to NATO countries: either stop deliveries, or we will strike nuclear weapons at the supplier countries. After all, we will still come to the need for all these measures: the only question is in what situation: urgently, under the pressure of circumstances, or preempting events? Here you are, Mr. Zed, and the whole "sofa" of folk wisdom!

    + I fully support Vadim, except for the blasphemy against the Author: And, as a minimum program, Mr. Our Commander-in-Chief is slow, waiting and calculating, and the time for the Concentration of Russia has come up - as one commentator here said:

    The order was not heard - it's time for Punishment

    To Arms!

    - Urgent appeal through the military registration and enlistment offices and the media for ALL Specialists under 60: "500 ZA 500" = recruits, contractors, volunteers (double salary for five hundred thousand fighters) / Time to execute and maintain an emergency action for the Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance and Funds: 5 days V Collection Points organize in all secondary schools (schoolchildren at this time are not busy with studies, but with the dissemination of recruiting information) / The Consolidated Headquarters of the Power and Economic Departments manage, regulate, organize the relevant work processes / Mass Warning (radio, TV, leaflets, Internet, etc.) about evacuation of civilians of all front-line territories with us Durkains / Carpet bombing And vacuum shelling of their fortified areas on all fronts / Massive use of aviation, missiles, special forces to zero out in the western regions 404 their transport, energy and military infrastructure / Warning-Prevention-Execution: the use of tactical nuclear weapons against military transport hubs in Poland and Romania + equipping nuclear warheads of our missiles in the Crimea, the Caucasus, Kaliningrad and Balt.Fl from, RB, Len. V.O., Mosk.V.O., Karelia, Murmansk
    and the Northern Fleet, in the Arctic, in the Far East & Readiness number one for All Strategic Nuclear Forces, Air Defense Forces, Aerospace Forces and the entire Aviation and orbital group / Offensive from the Republic of Belarus and Kherson region with a closure in the PMR & from Zaporozhye and Donbass with the occupation of the entire Left Bank / Airborne Forces surround Kuev and hold a foothold until the dill is grinded in boilers Z, Ø, V / VKS and Cher. The fleet clears and conquers ALL territories of the former Ukrainian SSR and the future Russian Sea ...
    ... an ultimatum to the "Chamberlains" will be presented by our valiant Deep Corps: accept only surrender.

    We are Russians and God is with us!!!
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 26 January 2023 22: 43
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      Bahadur, we are really Russians and not stupid Nazis fighting according to your scenario. You didn’t accidentally confuse times and eras, huh? Are we at war with fascist Germany with a foreign population and foreign territory, or with a single people and on our ancestral land? And what is the role of the Ukrainian fraternal people in your Anschluss? According to what you wrote, no. In other words, fuck everyone! And what kind of population will come to the referendums on the voluntary annexation of the territories liberated from the Ukronatsiks and will vote if you destroy everyone? Damn, how lucky are we Russians that we don’t have such warriors in the General Staff!
  36. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 26 January 2023 06: 16
    +1
    Our Upstairs need to chew less snot. Resources are needed, the men at the front are straining.
  37. Bahadur Offline Bahadur
    Bahadur (Stanislas) 27 January 2023 12: 39
    0
    Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
    Bahadur, we are really Russians and not stupid Nazis fighting according to your scenario. You didn’t accidentally confuse times and eras, huh? Are we at war with fascist Germany with a foreign population and foreign territory, or with a single people and on our ancestral land? And what is the role of the Ukrainian fraternal people in your Anschluss? According to what you wrote, no. In other words, fuck everyone! And what kind of population will come to the referendums on the voluntary annexation of the territories liberated from the Ukronatsiks and will vote if you destroy everyone? Damn, how lucky are we Russians that we don’t have such warriors in the General Staff!

    = We are at war with America, and you live in an illusion yourself and criminally convince others, without being lazy damn it!, and others that the war is going on with the "fraternal people": ALL are "supposedly wide Ukrainians", and it is genetically proven that they live or come from Galicia and not brothers to us neither in appearance nor in blood. The vast majority of the inhabitants of 404 are Russians and the war is not with them, but for them and their recovery. And you double-check your pseudo-theories and do not distribute: there are no more stupid ones!

    Work, Brothers !!!
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 January 2023 17: 47
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      Yeah, we will fight with America on the territory of America itself! Does this mean that the civilian population - neither by appearance nor by blood, genetically proven - is to be destroyed? Are you out of your mind? Or did you read Mein Kampf and your brains went askew? And do not disgrace the motto - Work brothers ...
  38. Bahadur Offline Bahadur
    Bahadur (Stanislas) 27 January 2023 19: 09
    -1
    Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
    Yeah, we will fight with America on the territory of America itself! Does this mean that the civilian population - neither by appearance nor by blood, genetically proven - is to be destroyed? Are you out of your mind? Or did you read Mein Kampf and your brains went askew? And do not disgrace the motto - Work brothers ... Tambov wolves are brothers to you!

    Do you read Russian carefully? - If so, then I should have read that it is Galicia from the entire territory of 404 that is not our brothers. Soon all this urofascist scum of the wolf will fall again across Canada.
    And about Work Brothers, it is not for You to judge.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 28 January 2023 04: 34
      -1
      At the expense of Galicia, this question-condemnation is not for me, but for Comrade. Stalin. Would you have told him, or rather would you have dared at that time to express dissatisfaction with the annexation of these lands with the population to the USSR? I think no. Did Stalin care about genetics and other troubles for the sake of expanding and strengthening the USSR? Absolutely not! Considering the medical preventive work of * physicians * of the NKVD.
  39. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 27 January 2023 20: 36
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    When and how will the conflict in Ukraine end? When a fried rooster pecks the Kremlin in the ass.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Bandera, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to the EU countries. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
    If even a small part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 28 January 2023 04: 58
      -1
      Vlad in the 41st also pecked the Kremlin in the ass with a roasted rooster, so what? How did it all end, you don't know?
  40. Panasyuk-Pupkin Offline Panasyuk-Pupkin
    Panasyuk-Pupkin (Panasyuk-Pupkin) 27 January 2023 21: 14
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    Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
    Panasyuk, and if it’s quite simple for an example - The purchase of our US rocket engines for rubles.

    Yes, it may well be, but for this you need to change the monetary policy of the Russian Federation now and REALLY, and not in words, a relatively independent credit and financial technology zone YOUR OWN!
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 28 January 2023 04: 55
      -2
      Panasyuk everything has its time. Moscow was also not built right away!
  41. Shuev Offline Shuev
    Shuev (Shuisky) Yesterday, 12: 22
    +1
    Thanks to Misha Gorbachev-Gopkalo for our happy childhood!
  42. Panasyuk-Pupkin Offline Panasyuk-Pupkin
    Panasyuk-Pupkin (Panasyuk-Pupkin) Yesterday, 17: 58
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    Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
    Panasyuk everything has its time. Moscow was also not built right away!

    What is "its own time", eh? Tn SVO should have started with this! Then there would be no seizure of gold reserves, huge sums would not go according to the so-called budget rule from the country to the West and GROWTH would ALREADY begin (including due to the growth of import substitution from the departure of Western companies), and not its fall.
    And since this is not even planned in the Russian Federation by the supreme at all, apparently, it can be stated that in fact the Russian Federation is at war with itself for its own money. It is IMPOSSIBLE to win such a war a priori!