"Flight of the Valkyries" over Russia: PMC "Wagner" - guardsmen of the XXI century?


World-famous "musicians" and their "entrepreneur" Prigozhin continue to shock the venerable audience, and you can't even say which one is more - foreign or still domestic.


On November 13, a video appeared and went viral on Telegram, briefly and succinctly describing the finale of a certain Yevgeny Nuzhin, a convict who left a strict regime colony to join the Wagner PMC. Over the past few weeks, he managed to voluntarily surrender to the Ukrainian fascists, trade his face in Kyiv propaganda, saying that he wants to fight in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and end up in some kind of basement, where he was brutally killed on camera by blows to the head with a sledgehammer.

A version immediately appeared that Nuzhin was executed by the newly-minted Zhovto-Blakyt "brothers", but was immediately swept aside. Still, a real defector from among the legendary “Wagnerites” is a really valuable acquisition for enemy propaganda, especially since an entire “Russian Volunteer Corps” was created under its needs under a white-blue-white flag, “fighting” in staged videos. Nuzhin would fit perfectly into this or some other “movie”, so just crushing his skull would be wasteful on the part of the Nazis.

From such simple conclusions, the following version appeared, and, it seems, as close as possible to the truth: Nuzhin was first pulled out of the "other world", and then sent to the other world either by the "musicians" themselves or by the performers hired by "Wagner". Indeed, the once folded legends about the harsh code of honor of PMC fighters were recently confirmed by Prigogine personally. in his historic speech in front of the prisoners of one of the colonies, and surrender is strictly prohibited by this code.

Nuzhin specifically tarnished the honor of the company by going over to the side of the enemy, and it was quite logical to expect that harsh colleagues would punish him in the most severe way. Don't take it as a pun, but such an assumption fights well with the inscription "convicted" at the end of the video.

Prigozhin approved the very fact of liquidation of the defector (literally, “dog death to a dog”), but, for obvious reasons, did not confirm the participation of his people in the execution. Moreover, on November 14, there were reports that the founder of Wagner applied to the Prosecutor General's Office with a statement about this fact (although its text is very peculiar, as if dictated by a stereotypical movie mafioso). The public, for obvious reasons, also perceived this episode very ambiguously: someone with approval (like myself, for example), and someone was horrified by the cruelty of the massacre and / or asked the question “is it even legal ?!”

The latter can be understood: the case when such a liquidation is put on public display is truly unique in modern domestic practice. Together with everything else that we know (and what we think) about the "orchestra", it provides a wide field for reflection on what role the PMC "Wagner" and similar organizations already play and will play in the future of Russia.

Knights of the cloak and two grenades


In principle, the transformation of a semi-mythical PMC into a living ideological model is already a fait accompli. This is facilitated both by the successes of the “musicians” on the fields of the Ukrainian campaign, and by the purposeful propaganda work of the corresponding department of Wagner.

Recently, there have been quite a lot of materials related to the "orchestra", although not exhaustively: enough to show the essence, while maintaining the well-known aura of closeness and "mystery". In addition to footage of combat work, videos from training grounds and from Wagner rehabilitation centers often appear, and from time to time, voluminous interviews. The founding father of the company himself regularly appears on the screens in the same role as “servant to the king, father to soldiers” (not ironic).

What is there, about the "tours" of the "musicians" in the Nazi-occupied Ukraine, a full-length feature film "The Best in Hell" has already been shot. And although the tape is not particularly charged ideologically (I personally expected more), it was made with soul and in terms of artistic qualities it surpasses a good nine-tenths of the mass domestic film production.

Wagner has its own platforms in social networks (some of which, however, denies their “official” nature), and a number of military bloggers with experience of campaigns “by the ribbon” interact quite closely with it. There are "ambassadors" in the official media: for example, the military commander and the host of "Zvezda" Friedrichson and the correspondent of the FAN Simonov often visit the "musicians".

By joint efforts, the image of the “Wagnerites” is being created as extremely harsh, iron soldiers, ready to defend the interests of Russia at any cost, especially if enemy heads go for the currency. And although the “orchestra”, of course, consists of living people, it cannot be said that the media “oil painting” greatly embellishes reality, rather, on the contrary, it slightly obscures in some aspects.

What's really interesting is why Wagner decided to step out of the shadows. Some believe that this is an application for political the ambitions of the company and its founder - and in a sense it is.

Crossbows, brooms and dog heads


To summarize all the answers of Prigozhin himself on this subject, he calls himself and his people a response to the request of a part of society and the elites for the very “good with fists” that can quickly and radically deal with any enemies of our country.

Indeed, the there is such a request in Russian society, and the "orchestra" has a grateful permanent audience of the most diverse political colors. But those who consider both the PMC itself and its methods to be something sinister, perhaps even more than Wagner fans. It's funny that among those and others it is popular to compare Prigozhin's "musicians" with the guardsmen of Ivan the Terrible.

The parallels here are really quite direct, starting already with the fact that PMCs are still “almost” (that is, outside) the legal field and partly outside the usual morality. Apparently, they (maybe all of them, or maybe only Wagner so far) are also outside the power vertical, reporting directly to the country's top leadership, but this already makes many Russian nouveau riches nervous.

Yes, and how not to get nervous. During the year, without unnecessary noise and dust in the media, seven top managers of the oil and gas industry, mainly from Gazprom, forcibly passed away: someone fell out of a window, someone ended up in a noose, someone was shot corny along with their closest relatives. You can also imagine how some other important bump will be split with a sledgehammer. Right there we have an armed organization with a rigid internal charter, non-transparent and outside the System (including outside the corruption bail). Of course, "all matches are random" but...

It is not surprising that remarks have recently become more frequent that the freemen of PMCs should be reined in. Attempts are also being made to directly put a spoke in the wheels of the “orchestra”: we are talking, of course, about the crumpled opening of the “PMC Wagner Center” in St. Petersburg.

Created under the auspices of Prigozhin, the complex should serve as something like a technopark or "business incubator", but focused on the needs of the country's defense capability. In principle, technically it is still just an office building, notable only for its name and owner. The official opening of the Wagner Center with a presentation for the press took place on November 4, and the first residents drove into it.

However, a few days later, the St. Petersburg Gosstroynadzor withdrew the permit for the operation of the building under the pretext of a discrepancy between the real area of ​​​​the object and the one indicated in the land lease agreement. At the same time, a certain letter from the Ukrainian “Union of Veterans and Disabled ATO” addressed to the governor of St. Petersburg Beglov appeared on social networks. The authors demanded to close the "Wagner Center", associated with "war criminals", otherwise they threatened to turn to ... the EU and the UN with a demand to impose personal sanctions against everyone who "allowed" the existence of this "symbol of war".

Of course, the anecdote about how the wheelchair team from Kyiv bent Beglov sounds as funny as the ever-memorable February “message from Khodorkovsky*”. News about the false start of the center appeared on November 9, and the “letter” concocted on their motives in the TsIPSO did not appear earlier than the next day, and in unambiguously pro-Ukrainian sources.

But some inconsistencies with the building itself, the construction of which was started back in 2013 by another owner, can really take place. But while the proceedings on the merits of the case are going on, Prigozhin went personally to Beglov, and immediately “with trump cards”: he publicly recalled to him both the summer scandal with Bi-2 and the old friendship with Khodorkovsky *, and at the same time asked the prosecutor’s office to check Beglov for state treason.

The course, outcome and timing of this litigation are very curious - in a sense, it will serve as an indicator of the actual size of the administrative resource of the "almighty" Prigogine. If, at his suggestion, the St. Petersburg governor really begins to have any problems, at least in the form of an urgent desire to retire, then it will be possible to speak of Wagner as "new guardsmen" seriously and out loud.

* - recognized in Russia as a foreign agent.
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  1. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 15 November 2022 09: 45
    +4
    You don't have to be clean.
    The traitor got what he deserved.
    Too bad he's the only one...
  2. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 15 November 2022 10: 08
    +5
    Defeats at the front will end in turmoil in Russia.
    Trampling in Bakhmut (Artemovsk), complete impotence near Donetsk, retreat and surrender of those who believed in Russia. Thank God that the EU kept the Nazis from "Srebrennitsa" in Kherson... Although, who knows what happened at night and how many people were shot in apartments and houses.
    So far, Russia has a general impression - everything is bad.
    For some reason, there is the talent of Zaluzhny and .... the much-praised Surovikin with "tied" hands.
    There are no victories.
    And the talk that Russia has been harnessing for a long time or is about to wake up from a dream is already about nothing.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 15 November 2022 11: 14
      +4
      Defeats at the front will end in turmoil in Russia.

      Trouble will mean that she has finally woken up. While she is sleeping, the Anglo-Saxons have her as they want, and now they have gathered and finished off
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 15 November 2022 23: 16
        0
        At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the Bolsheviks woke her up to make her healthy and strong, and they did. Where can we get such power today?
        I think that if we return to the path of building our own model of socialism, China can help us in this, just as we helped it once in the same. The roles have changed, but we still have a common path. The goal will be the revival of the world socialist system. And the enemy will also remain common
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 November 2022 07: 43
          -3
          The alternative is the capture of our territory up to the Ural Range, or completely, by forces subordinate to the Anglo-Saxons, and the destruction of the excess population in the death camps by the Ukrainian Sonderkommandos.
          The second option is the fragmentation of the territory by domestic warring groups and chaos according to the African scenario, but I think it is unlikely - why do the Anglo-Saxons need problems on THEIR territory with natural resources, and they will try to completely solve the "Russian question" this time without creating problems for themselves in the future .
          Therefore, I doubt that there is any option for our PMCs to join the invaders. The very logic of life leads them to the common path of survival and success with the country. While it is still not too late for the country
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 16 November 2022 10: 40
            -2
            Quote: Alexey Davydov
            the capture of our territory up to the Ural Range, or completely, by forces subordinate to the Anglo-Saxons

            That's just it, that while the "Ukrainian sonder teams subordinate to the Anglo-Saxons" will move towards the Ural Range from the west, everything from the east of it (i.e. the main natural resources) will be taken under the protectorate of China.

            Do the Anglo-Saxons need it?
            not to mention the fact that nuclear weapons could end up in the hands of anyone.
            1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
              Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 November 2022 12: 36
              0
              Do the Anglo-Saxons need it?
              not to mention the fact that nuclear weapons could end up in the hands of anyone.

              Such speculative "guarantees" cannot be relied upon. Like death. Any such judgment is superficial by definition.
              That's what plans are for. The Anglo-Saxons learned this art of theirs in the practice of managing foreign territories for several centuries. The fact that they are successful with us in planning is evidence of the position in which they have driven us for at least 30 years.
              China will be supplied with a "fork" - when and how we do not know. The Anglo-Saxons control our nuclear weapons with the help of Putin, just as they used to do it with the help of Yeltsin.
              You can only rely on your own active will and your own plans to get ahead and outplay the enemy
              1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                Nelton (Oleg) 16 November 2022 14: 49
                -1
                Quote: Alexey Davydov
                Anglo-Saxons control our nuclear weapons

                Oh how ... why then put forward the thesis, what they say

                "The alternative is the capture of our territory up to the Ural Range, or completely, by forces subordinate to the Anglo-Saxons",

                if the Anglo-Saxons already control everything here, including nuclear weapons?
                laughing

                The Anglo-Saxons need one thing from us - not to undermine their authority as world hegemon.
                1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                  Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 November 2022 14: 54
                  0
                  The Anglo-Saxons need one thing from us - not to undermine their authority as world hegemon.

                  Ivan yawned on the stove and turned over to the other side. Everything will sort itself out
      2. Moskal 55 Offline Moskal 55
        Moskal 55 17 November 2022 21: 51
        -1
        Troubles now will only lead to the division of Russia and the final cessation of its existence. The Anglo-Saxons have all of us, including you. And for a long time. Because nefiga was to ruin his USSR. Or are you a comical scammer, and did not find the end of the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, and none of the elders told you about it?
    2. Brother Fox_2 Offline Brother Fox_2
      Brother Fox_2 (Brother Fox) 15 November 2022 11: 15
      +1
      kept the Nazis from "Srebrennitsa", alas, it's not over yet
    3. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 15 November 2022 16: 23
      0
      The confusion has already begun. And this episode is proof of that. When state institutions collapse, illegal (and PMCs are not in Russian law) armed formations come to the fore. There is no doubt that very soon we will see armed formations in Russia occupying directly opposite positions than those of Prigozhin's army. As well as clashes between them.
    4. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
      Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 15 November 2022 17: 25
      -3
      Do you hear, dude? I grabbed a machine gun and into the trenches near Bakhmut - show me how to run on the attack ... Just don't forget diapers ...
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  3. Brother Fox_2 Offline Brother Fox_2
    Brother Fox_2 (Brother Fox) 15 November 2022 11: 18
    -2
    and no one admits that the pan-heads are just dumb ... in their hatred?
    these ukrodebils caught and carried out, they say how cool we are,
    there is no sense from this prisoner, otherwise he would have been immediately harnessed
    By the way, maybe they were liquidated at the direction of the SBU, just in case
  4. UralZ Offline UralZ
    UralZ (Vladislav Polushin) 15 November 2022 11: 19
    +14
    The author would like to read something on history, well, just so as not to look like a dropout. Oprichniki, by definition, were in the public service, not mercenaries. It was a kind of prototype of the guard, which were directly subordinate to the king, and not to the feudal lords. That is why they were called "sovereign people", by the way ... What does this have to do with any PMCs that are private commercial structures? Or is it just the word "oprichnik" is very scary?
    1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 15 November 2022 12: 03
      +5
      Or is it just the word "oprichnik" is very scary?

      Most likely, this is what the author remembered from the course of the history of Russia in the 7th grade of high school.
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 15 November 2022 19: 52
        -5
        If you want to know what kind of guardsmen were, read the novel "Prince Silver". There, without tricks, using historical records, it is written what kind of tribe it was. Then they were thrown out, many were executed, but they caused such a rustle that in Rus' they called them murderers and the tsar was called a murderer. Therefore, Ivan No. 4 was out of favor with the Russians. Read Konstantin Tolstoy "Prince Silver". A very historical novel.
        1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 15 November 2022 21: 09
          +8
          1) Fiction is not a historical source.
          2) Fiction is subjective, as it carries the views of its authors.
          3) I did not study the history of France from the novels of Dumas or Druon; nor did I study the history of Russia from Pikul's novels.
          4) "Silver" is written with one "n", but with commas and other things you generally have a blockage.
          5) I don't know any "Konstantin Tolstoy". There were 3 (three) Tolstoys in Russian literature: Lev Nikolaevich, Alexei Konstantinovich, Alexei Nikolaevich.
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    2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 15 November 2022 16: 31
      -1
      What no, but even in the time of Grozny there were state institutions that existed according to the laws of that time. Oprichniki are characterized by direct subordination to the tsar without any restrictions or intermediaries. So the use of the term "oprichnina" is quite appropriate.
      1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 15 November 2022 19: 15
        +1
        in the days of Grozny there were state institutions that existed according to the laws that time. Oprichniki are characterized by direct subordination to the tsar without any restrictions or intermediaries. So the use of the term "oprichnina" is quite appropriate.

        The use of the term "oprichnina" is appropriate only in the context of a conversation about "that time", that is, about the events of the XNUMXth century.
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2022 11: 38
    0
    Guardsmen? Oprichniki were state people in the civil service and obeyed the king.

    Here they are criminals and obey a private person (and it is stated that they do not offend with money)
    Those. there are mercenaries (prohibited by the way in the Russian Federation), and by the similarity of the massacre - mafiosi (it seems that only organized crime groups and death squads promoted such liquidation of those who got caught)
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 15 November 2022 13: 07
      0
      When the power structures are rotten and brought the state to a big war with huge losses, any state-centric element looks like the savior of the state from defeat and collapse. Accordingly, the guardsmen-Wagnerites act as the beginnings of the movement of Minin and Pozharsky, necessary and, over time, more and more in demand. Only traitors in power let other traitors, the Chubais and other Friedmans, who robbed and spread rot of wealth and citizens of the Russian state, with the loot over the cordon ....
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  6. Atmospheric QUEEN (Atmospheric QUEEN) 15 November 2022 12: 09
    +5
    Beglov. Will wait in line for a sledgehammer.
  7. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 15 November 2022 13: 21
    +1
    Still, a real defector from among the legendary “Wagnerites” is a really valuable acquisition for enemy propaganda, especially since an entire “Russian Volunteer Corps” was created under its needs under a white-blue-white flag, “fighting” in staged videos. Nuzhin would fit perfectly into this or some other “movie”, so just crushing his skull would be wasteful on the part of the Nazis.

    For the image of a "bright-faced warrior" his biography is not the same.
    Most likely they were sent to fight, having previously "brutally killed",
    to play out its propaganda potential to the end.
    He will run over more than once, so it's too early to delete him from the lists of fugitives.
    1. Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
      Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 8 December 2022 18: 38
      0
      What fugitives, huh? Maybe there is a law that anyone can be taken out of prison and sent to kill, without the right to surrender? No, then you need to immediately create a detachment of paganini, as a detachment.
      1. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 8 December 2022 21: 45
        0
        The main thing is to have a list. And there is a law.
        And even if it is not found, he went out illegally, illegally and will pay off.
  8. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 15 November 2022 14: 36
    -1
    PMC "Wagner" - guardsmen of the XXI century?

    When we find out who finances them, then we will understand who they are. Wagner does not differ in military leadership talents. This can be seen in the film "Best in Hell." Having tanks and planes, to send buildings in the industrial zone to storm, it is necessary not to be friends with education at all. They shouldn't be allowed into politics.

    To defend the motherland, it is necessary to deserve it!

    So like Stalin said, and I agree with him.
    1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 15 November 2022 19: 20
      -2
      "Defend your homeland, you must deserve it!"

      Complete collection of works, v.43, p.348.
      1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 16 November 2022 14: 03
        -1
        Complete collection of works, v.43, p.348.

        Do not carry a blizzard.
    2. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 November 2022 21: 24
      0
      Quote: steel maker
      This can be seen in the film "Best in Hell."

      Feature Film?
      1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 16 November 2022 14: 07
        -1
        Feature Film?

        Based on real events. Prigogine is in the credits. Or do you think that Prigogine will "lie" to himself?
        1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
          Dart2027 16 November 2022 19: 11
          0
          Quote: steel maker
          It is based on real events.

          Founded does not mean that he reproduces them. Cinema is supposed to be spectacular, but what is spectacular in a war by the rules? Nothing.
          1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
            steelmaker 16 November 2022 19: 24
            -2
            What is spectacular in a war by the rules? Nothing.

            Why build a smartass out of yourself if you can’t answer the question?
            1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
              Dart2027 16 November 2022 19: 44
              0
              Quote: steel maker
              Why build a smartass out of yourself if you can’t answer the question?

              Quote: Dart2027
              Cinema must be spectacular.
  9. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 15 November 2022 15: 05
    +1
    PMC Wagner is still okay, but the purely Chechen army of Kadyrov ... Trained, equipped and armed to the fullest. Yes - now he seems to be kind of personally loyal to the guarantor - and when will he be gone?
    1. Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
      Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 8 December 2022 18: 44
      0
      Yes, it was blown away, the war showed what his army was worth. Only a few professional military men are really fighting, the rest have been promoted, shooting on camera at empty houses in the third echelon and rolled back home.
  10. Ugens Offline Ugens
    Ugens (Victor) 15 November 2022 15: 54
    -2
    The existence and actions of PMC Wagner speak of the incapacity and destruction of government institutions, the existence of PMCs is illegal, the recruitment of prisoners is illegal, the supply of weapons is illegal, etc. Those who approve of their actions do not understand the consequences.
    Such murders put them on the same level as ISIS, Prigogine realized this only after the information spread around the world and went into denial, but it was already too late.
    I think that this will end in a conflict with the army, or most likely with the FSB, the project turned out to be too toxic.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 15 November 2022 16: 30
      +3
      And who will replace the Wagnerites and Kadyrovites - we don’t have a guard, that on the main blows, the former airborne divisions were exterminated due to the failed planning of the NWO. There are troops that have collapsed over decades - without equipment, modern weapons and means, sufficient training, motivation (there is no desire to die for billions of Abramoviches and others). Chief, the officer corps (Serdyukovsky appeal) is insolvent, it is difficult to even select the appropriate generals. How the government will climb out of the hole created by its own hands, the answer is ambiguous. We can confidently say that the crisis of the armed forces of the Russian Federation has been created for decades, and here are the results - the government is looking for a way out in surrendering positions and treaties.
    2. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 15 November 2022 21: 35
      +2
      The existence and actions of PMC Wagner speak of the incapacity and destruction of government institutions, the existence of PMCs is illegal, the recruitment of prisoners is illegal, the supply of weapons is illegal, etc. Those who approve of their actions do not understand the consequences.

      French Foreign Legion - is it different?
      1. Ugens Offline Ugens
        Ugens (Victor) 16 November 2022 09: 53
        -2
        Of course, the Foreign Legion is an absolutely legal unit that is part of the French Armed Forces. And with a criminal record for serious crimes, they don’t take it there.
        1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 16 November 2022 22: 44
          0
          The Foreign Legion has about 200 years of history. In 200 years, Wagner PMC will also be an "absolutely legal unit" that is part of the RF Armed Forces.
          In the laws of different countries, the concept of "serious crime" is interpreted differently.
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  11. zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 15 November 2022 17: 34
    -4
    The execution of a fugitive prisoner is a black and white provocation against the Wagnerites. This action was aimed at. Given the brutality + as well as Bandera shot our soldiers on camera. Among Russian soldiers, good luck is not animal wolf laws - but the laws of honor and brotherhood. And the action was entirely carried out by sadistic Nazis, with the expectation of turning society against the heroic work of the Wagnerites. Even if the fact itself (a dog's death to a dog) is, as it were, of course. BUT !!! It is obviously made by Ukrainian Tsipsoshniks. At first they twisted his chatter = got an advertisement for a perpetrator. And then they were executed by putting a shadow on the wattle fence = more races received a bonus from those who howled about cruelty in Russia. And ours are only happy to try and add water to their mill, forgetting about Bucha and other atrocities of the Nazis who turned the arrows on Wagner.
    Without options. hi
    1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 15 November 2022 19: 24
      0
      perebeschik.

      Whether he was mad, or it was some kind of jargon, I am not able to understand.
      1. zloybond Offline zloybond
        zloybond (steppenwolf) 15 November 2022 19: 29
        -1
        I myself tried to decide how best to call this one .... I left it like that ... furious, I just had to hang it if ours caught it. But the Nazis managed according to their own understanding.
        Campaign Tsipsoshnikov minus with might and main. They do not like our interpretation of their Action.
        1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 15 November 2022 21: 44
          -1
          perebeZHik
          A person who voluntarily changes his affiliation to a state or political force to belonging to another state or political force. Often defectors are also called traitors, especially if they pass on secrets or confidential information.

          I'm not a chimp.
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  12. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 15 November 2022 18: 14
    -2
    It is surprising how simple-hearted, but enthusiastic part of the public (+ trolls), based on vague and exaggerated reports, believes that PMCs (illegal, by the way) successfully bear the brunt of the NWO! Even more surprising is the distortion of consciousness in the form of justifying the brutal massacres for which Ukrainians have just been condemned!
    Finita la commedia...
  13. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 15 November 2022 18: 41
    +1
    Why drag guardsmen here? I started reading with interest, sort of like a special detachment of scorchers, directly subordinate to the highest authority and operating in the gray zone of the law, but it turned out that we are talking just about mercenaries of a special kind.
  14. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 15 November 2022 19: 39
    -2
    Why guardsmen, and not followers of the SS?
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 November 2022 21: 23
      +2
      Quote: zenion
      not followers of the SS

      Because they are at war with the followers of the SS.
  15. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 15 November 2022 21: 21
    0
    This is Putin's guard, Kadyrov is still standing there with his special guard. NWO enlightened Russia like an x-ray. And now we need power tools to clean and bring into obedience. Analogies with Ivan the Terrible are appropriate. But we know how the Livonian War ended. Russia did not have enough forces then. Is it enough now? And so, in principle, the enemies are almost the same.
    1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 15 November 2022 23: 12
      0
      Analogies with Ivan the Terrible are appropriate.

      Did Putin also pacify Kazan and Veliky Novgorod?
      I remember only so-called Ichkeria.

      And which of the current leadership of Russia will we write down as "Prince Kurbsky"? Valentina Tyutina does not fit any criteria and does not seem to be going to run to her Shepetivka.
  16. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 November 2022 22: 54
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    So whose guardsmen are Prigozhin or Putin?
    Some will find out about it here, when some others *suddenly* will not be here!
  17. zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 16 November 2022 00: 02
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    Here they are the followers of the sect of "Cipso Witnesses" with the development of "Green" Greta. How brains boil.
    When a pervert, a criminal kills children at school or whatever - everyone wants the blood of a criminal. And when the Nazis, for provocation, wet the used traitor for a new goal, then everyone remembered humanism and howled. hi
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  18. Samno Marr Offline Samno Marr
    Samno Marr (Samno Marr) 19 November 2022 15: 49
    +1
    double standards everywhere
    tying people to poles is condemned
    and encouraged to crush heads with a sledgehammer
    the Nuremberg Tribunal, and that one was more honest and humane
  19. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 19 November 2022 21: 16
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    All this mess from the fact that they ruined the army. They destroyed divisions, corps, assault armies, etc. Is he a military man, Serdyukov, who, Ivanov served at least as a private? Let them show at least one recruit from the golden youth, but what can Moscow alone say put 500 militiamen. They will kill for a long time, there is nowhere to run.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 19 November 2022 21: 32
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      I want to add, when I watch the news, my hair stands on end, are there any allied units, PMCs, battalions of various calibers? Do we have an army or are we in a civil war - Makhnovists, Antonovites, Denikinites, Krasnovites - hello people it already happened, and they lost outright regular of the Red Army. Surovikin, if you are not allowed to fight, tell us, our children believe you, we believe you, we will come for 60 years without any medical examinations, your father did not spare his life and you do not adapt to Moscow. Our president is only interested in gas hubs Russia knew such an inglorious war only under Nicholas the First.
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