"Thieves' chords": about recruits from behind bars in PMC "Wagner"


On the third day, the Russian public was shocked by a video from some correctional institution in which Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as the only or one of the leaders of the Wagner PMC, agitates prisoners to join the ranks of "musicians". The file is quite long, it captures, if not all, then most of the "conductor's" opening speech with many curious details.


Not to say that the video blew up the Internet, but to stir up - stirred up, especially against the background difficult events of the previous week and, in general, the difficult situation on the fronts of the Northern Military District. “Is it really so bad that they are already mobilizing prisoners?!” “Yes, and it’s right, why feel sorry for them, let them redeem with blood!” “Well, how can such a contingent be given weapons in their hands ?!” "What are we going to do with these 'heroes' when this is over?" “And in general, who is this Prigozhin that he simply recruits people in the zones like that? It's illegal!" And so on, and so on, and so on.

The situation is really non-trivial - but is it egregious?

Sounds of a maximum security colony


Prigogine was not shy in expressions - not in form (he did not drop a single obscene expression), but in essence. From his words and the general surroundings, it is not difficult to understand that the recruitment took place among prisoners of the strict regime: murderers, drug dealers, rapists.

Prigozhin did not promise them a “merry war” at all - and, on the contrary, he even spoke about a “hard war” and “ammunition consumption is twice as much as in Stalingrad”, and about the first penal unit in the ranks of the Wagnerites, which near Ugledar “cut out the enemy in the trenches knives." He placed particular emphasis on the fact that discipline would be severe, and cowardice would be punished by execution - as well as for drunkenness, looting and violence against civilians. There is no option of voluntary return "over the fence": either release after six months of military service, or death in battle, or execution as a coward and deserter.

And after such (frankly, chilling back) introductory prisoners were asked to join the assault infantry and given five minutes to think. Attention, the question is: how many of these three or four hundred people risked being retrained from prisoners into "penalties"? Perhaps someday we will see the second series of the same film with the correct answer, but for now I’ll venture to suggest that it’s definitely less than half - it’s good if it’s a tenth.

In principle, the video series gives exhaustive answers to all possible questions and cuts off doubts related to the recruitment of fines. Especially characteristic is the moment about discipline and disciplinary responsibility (as far as one can judge, applied not only to the penalized, but to all “musicians” in general) - he immediately draws a line between our penalized boxers and the Ukrainian Einsatzgruppen, recruited from inmates. The fascists did not just let out notorious lawless people out of their cages - they let them out precisely so that they would “nightmare” civilians and torture prisoners, simultaneously self-utilizing themselves under Russian shells and bullets. This is a downright scrupulously accurate reconstruction following the patterns of the "great predecessors": Dirlewanger, Kaminsky, Bach-Zelewski and Hitler's thugs like them.

Prigozhin, on the other hand, proposes exactly something in the spirit of the Red Army penal companies, in which criminals are required not to go even lower down the ladder of dehumanization, but, on the contrary, to cleanse themselves, atoning for their guilt by serving the Motherland and, if necessary, with blood. Many commentators are embarrassed by the short service life, for which even seasoned criminals will be written off everything - “only” six months of going on the attack on enemy oporniki through fields shot through by mortars. It is worth recalling that under Stalin (who, as you know, was a "bloody tyrant"), three months in a penal company was the equivalent of a ten-year sentence.

As I said above, it is unlikely that there will be many who want such a “profitable” exchange - six months in ten to fifteen years: nevertheless, the conditions are set tough and the risk of dying is real. And no matter how the criminals flaunt their alleged contempt for death, in fact, the vast majority of them will prefer a “disgusted” life, albeit behind bars, to death in battle - also not quite free.

This, perhaps, should reassure those who are afraid of the appearance of "thousands" of successfully recaptured fines on the Russian streets - it is unlikely that these "thousands" will be recruited at all. And after the end of the conflict, several hundred former criminals released through the front will be invisible against the background of a couple of millions of conditionally loyal “crypto-Banderites”, whom the Kyiv regime will undoubtedly leave Russia as a legacy. In addition, there is every reason to believe that “thieves’ romance” from the penalty box will be squeezed out and beaten out quite harshly: what is worth even mentioning the two grenades that every Wagnerian carries with him instead of passing into enemy captivity.

As for the “legality” of such recruitment and the subsequent release of fines, yes, it seems that there are a certain number of going beyond the framework of the current legislation of the Russian Federation in the procedures. PMCs, in principle, work in gray areas: the theater of war, and morality, and law; that is their specificity. I'm not happy about it - but I see no reason to squeal in horror. In the end, if necessary, a hypothetical law “on passing a punitive military service” can be adopted literally in one day - but will this make at least one of the moralists calmer?

So which one of the Blotters is a violinist?


It is obvious that enemy propaganda simply could not get past such a bold informational occasion. Having snatched the video from public access, the information gypsies from Navalny's team ** (or, rather, already Volkov **) published it as some kind of "secret material from a secret insider"; already with reference to them, concocted the corresponding publication of Radio Liberty*. In parallel with this, the Ukrainian media circulated the news about the “mobilization of prisoners by orcs” with hoots and whistles.

Interestingly, about a month and a half ago, CNN already published an article on the same topic, the content of which partially “beats” with what can be heard in Prigogine’s video; something consonant at the same time was given out by Russian-language media-foreign agents. The publications are allegedly compiled on the basis of an interview with an anonymous prisoner who made contact using a smuggled smartphone, and the stories of several more relatives who have already enlisted in the Landsknecht.

Of the exact coincidences, however, only the mention of "Wagner" and a six-month term of service before pardon. In addition, it is indicated that terrorists and rapists are not recruited, all preparation takes two weeks, ready-made penalists are entitled to a monthly salary of 100-200 thousand rubles, and in case of death, their relatives will receive compensation of 5 million. Intertwined between these very plausible moments are propaganda passages: about the grandiose losses of the Russian army, about the especially terrible losses of the penalty boxers themselves, who are deliberately thrown into suicidal attacks in order to open the positions of Ukrainian machine guns and artillery.

Navalny himself** has already become a character associated with news folk memes like “what do you think, who was appointed commander of a separate airborne assault battalion IK-12?” But serious Russian media people who are directly related to the Ukrainian conflict are in no hurry to express their opinion on the matter. Igor Strelkov, in his usual manner of noble negativity, spoke out against the idea of ​​penal units, appealing to questions of discipline and the long-term prospects for the return of these people to civilian life. The well-known fighter of the People's Militia and military commissar Vladlen Tatarsky, who in 2014 went to the front straight from prison, sees nothing wrong with fines. Prigogine, on the other hand, said that those who are against the mobilization of prisoners should go to the front themselves or send their sons - and these are, perhaps, the very words that one should expect from such a person.

The very fact of the appearance of a reliable video recording, practically exposing the entire kitchen of recruiting prisoners to Wagner, in the public domain is not a leak, but a conscious publication. There is an opinion that, first of all, this is a “viral advertising” aimed at the relatives of prisoners and themselves in order to identify in advance those who want to go to the penalty box and, what the hell is not joking, the places of their concentration. But it is possible that this is also a signal to Russian society.

Despite the fact that our time is becoming more and more severe literally every day, Russian society still lives according to the standards of the “peaceful sky” with minimal reservations. Whoever says anything about mobilization, "decisive decisions" and the like, personally they are still "overwhelming minority".

Along with volunteering, people's collections for the needs of the front (and "goodwill gestures"), penal companies are only part of the price for the still ordinary routine life of most Russians. And, I must say, the prices are not the highest, compared at least with the one paid by the inhabitants of the republics. So all those “concerned” about the mobilization of prisoners really should honestly answer themselves whether they are ready to mobilize instead of them.

* - Media-foreign agent.
** - recognized as extremists in Russia.
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  1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 16 September 2022 14: 59
    -16
    Bullshit
    1. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 16 September 2022 16: 29
      +12
      Quite a normal move. It has always been practiced everywhere. In the "Foreign Legion" of France, what, the boys from the Sunday school fought? And we also had it in the Great Patriotic War and it fully justified itself.
    2. glory glory Offline glory glory
      glory glory (Glory Glory) 17 September 2022 20: 48
      0
      Everything is clearly painted by the author, what can I explain to you?
      1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 18 September 2022 00: 40
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        And you yourself, then try to get a job with Wagner. The first condition is the absence of a criminal record. Health must be strong. A tough polygraph test. A month is pressed at the training ground. Passed, only then they sign a contract. try it.
    3. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) 18 September 2022 09: 52
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      Especially with the modern development of video engineering, it's hard to say something! Especially without having the original video material ...
  2. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 16 September 2022 16: 00
    -5
    a.ftar, brought up on the Dartarians. Education needs to be changed. trenches. Send him on a mission for a month, if he remains alive, give him a pen and paper. It will be clear that they do not fight in white gloves, and with the words - Thank you I give. Everything is really simple - you need to understand - THE RESULT IS ASSESSED, To judge whether they did it right or wrong, we will after the VICTORY. I worked in a factory with a friend. Normal person. Befriended him. Experienced. She won’t bite on the lure, life has taught her. That is how he received an early release, and a medal for combat work in Afghanistan. He said that the WAR STARTED EXACTLY THEN. When they changed recruits. Volunteers will. Many understand that after their release, no one needs them in the wild. Out of work. Without a corner where they could come at night. This is if you KNOW our current existence. Not couch arguments, but straight from the street if ..... There will be. Because they hope that it is possible to live differently. Not much, not half. And luck, the trenches are being straightened.
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  4. k7k8 Online k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 16 September 2022 16: 07
    -4
    And no one had a question about the authenticity of this video? The question is not idle. There is a women's colony near our city. So, it is forbidden to enter its territory even with a push-button babkophone (even checkpoint controllers and the head of the colony are forbidden to use them on the territory of the penal colony), not to mention a video camera or smartphone. All equipment is handed over for safekeeping at the checkpoint. You need to call - go there, get a phone against signature, go out of the territory, and then again you hand over the phone to a safe under lock and key. I myself once went through such a procedure when I had to work on their territory. And here is an almost open shooting, and even leaked to the network. It seems to me that this is a good staging of the production of the Ukrainian TsIPSO.
    1. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 16 September 2022 16: 26
      +5
      I myself once went through such a procedure when I had to work on their territory.

      You are not Prigogine...
      1. Corsair Online Corsair
        Corsair (DNR) 16 September 2022 19: 08
        +3
        Quote: boriz
        You are not Prigogine...

        laughing laughing laughing good

        And in general - here:

        400 prisoners from the colonies of the Tambov region were taken to "training school, in one of the southern regions of Russia" yesterday. Also the day before yesterday, a convoy of 12 FSIN buses with flashing lights was seen in Belgorod.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 September 2022 14: 48
          -6
          In fact, Prigozhin is a private individual. The head of the colony, who will let a private person into the territory of the colony, will lose his post. The head of the colony, who will release 400 prisoners without a court decision, will himself go to the bunk.
          And even the president's verbal order is not enough here. Not like Prigogine. In order for the prisoner to leave the territory of the place of detention, there must be paper. With appropriate signatures and seals. Not lower than the decision of the Supreme Court or the State Duma. approved by the president.

          So this whole story is very reminiscent of a dramatization. Unless a few wardens decided to commit suicide.

          Here is the history of the Azov and Kraken battalions can be viewed for interest. It's full of criminals.
          1. tvgpvo Offline tvgpvo
            tvgpvo 18 September 2022 12: 18
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            And if we assume that the Wagner PMC is part of the GRU of the RF Ministry of Defense and is just a cover. (for reference: GRU Is the executive body and body of military command and control of other military organizations (the Ministry of Defense of Russia and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation); in turn, it has executive bodies consisting of military command and control bodies, other bodies and subordinate organizations; is a state institution, a militarized formal social non-profit entity, performing functions in the field of defense and intelligence. Headed by the head of the GU. The structure, size and funding of the GRU are classified as state secrets.) This will probably explain a lot
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 September 2022 13: 06
              -1
              "Assuming", then I can assume anything.
              And it seems to me that you misinterpret the structure and subordination of the GRU.
          2. silviu Offline silviu
            silviu (Silviu) 19 September 2022 23: 29
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            There is a high probability that such a paper exists. But not for the public, but locally, everything is decided through calls from the top - to allow Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin to conduct an explanatory conversation with the contingent of the colony, and we will prepare papers for those who agree to participate in the NWO .. And Zakhar Prilepin, for example, assessed the "leakage" of the video as intentional because he was not aware that Prigozhin confirmed the authenticity of the video
      2. k7k8 Online k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 16 September 2022 19: 32
        -6
        Don't play the fool.aka. You understood perfectly
    2. Corsair Online Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 16 September 2022 19: 01
      +7
      Quote: k7k8
      And no one had a question about the authenticity of this video?

      And why should this question arise when Prigogine himself confirmed its authenticity?
      And he is not alone. Zakhar Prilepin, for example, assessed the "leakage" of the video recording as intentional, with far-reaching goals ...

      This is a quote, an excerpt. You can completely find it yourself.

      Zakhar Prilepin @zakharprilepin

      PRIGOGINE AND ZEKI

      ... And now about Prigozhin's lecture in prison, where he charismatically recruits volunteers.

      Good lecture, interesting.

      The question is not whether it is necessary. Everything is necessary that will bring benefit.

      The question, for example, is why the video was leaked?

      Like some act of intimidation?

      Well, so be it.

      In the first series, they were scared by the Chechens, and they did an excellent job with the role and with all the tasks.

      Now here is the second series. It's like the Chechens, only worse. However, there may also be Chechens. If someone like Raduev were alive, he would lead some wildest company. By the way, no one left more or less acceptable from that war?

      Now other questions are brewing.

      What will happen in the next series?

      Do you live in such a remote area that information does not come to you in a timely manner?
      1. k7k8 Online k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 16 September 2022 19: 34
        -4
        He did not personally confirm anything. Moreover, he personally said that there are no legal grounds for this.

        Quote: Corsair
        information is not received in a timely manner?

        I don’t consider garbage cans like tg-channels to be a reliable source
        1. Corsair Online Corsair
          Corsair (DNR) 16 September 2022 19: 38
          +4
          Quote: k7k8
          I don’t consider garbage dumps like tg-kanpls to be a reliable source

          Wait for the publication in the newspaper "Pravda" ...

          Quote: k7k8
          He did not personally confirm anything. Moreover, he personally said that there are no legal grounds for this.

          I will obviously surprise you very much when I write that there are "no grounds" for the creation and operation of PMCs themselves in the legislation of the Russian Federation laughing
          "There is no reason", but there are PMCs yes
          1. Nikolai Pigin Offline Nikolai Pigin
            Nikolai Pigin (Nikolai Pigin) 16 September 2022 20: 04
            -1
            And what they did in Syria is generally tin ...
            1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 16 September 2022 21: 21
              0
              Jihadi Tolik?
            2. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 17 September 2022 06: 21
              +1
              Have you been to Syria?
      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 September 2022 16: 09
        -2
        Prigozhin did not confirm anything. In any case, I have never seen or read anything like this.
        1. Corsair Online Corsair
          Corsair (DNR) 17 September 2022 16: 20
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          Quote: Bakht
          Prigozhin did not confirm anything.

          Quote: Bakht
          In any case, I have never seen or read anything like this.

          That's it - they didn't notice, they missed yes
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 September 2022 17: 51
            -1
            Didn't notice because there wasn't. Find where he confirmed that it was he who was in the colony
            1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
              DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 22 September 2022 09: 43
              -1
              There are no confirmations. It's fake. And very clumsy.
    3. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 17 September 2022 14: 09
      +1
      All doors are open to people who fulfill the will of the country's top leadership. Pardon is the prerogative of the President. Surely someone could promise the convicts a pardon without the knowledge of the Supreme?
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 September 2022 16: 12
        -1
        Nobody could. Pardon is the prerogative of the President. The annulment of a judgment is the prerogative of the Supreme Court. And no one else. And the head of the colony is, strictly speaking, a performer.
        Put yourself in his place. Some one comes --- from the hillock and says "release 400 prisoners. They submitted a request." So what? And nothing. The answer will be "I would go ... to hell. Who will answer? Will I issue them a pardon"?
    4. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) 18 September 2022 09: 57
      0
      It is very possible, especially given the manner in which CIPSO operates!
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  6. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 16 September 2022 16: 37
    +8
    this is not a coercion of prisoners, but a voluntary decision. Every citizen of the Russian Federation can become a volunteer of the SVO, and not necessarily in attack aircraft. Prigozhin simply gives this opportunity to the part of society that is serving sentences for crimes. Hence such a rigid framework, but in general it is the same as the various volunteer units.

    For many prisoners, such a step could be a turning point in their lives, they will get the prospect of working in a PMC. Perhaps this is better than serving time and continuing a career (where you can also get a bullet). Getting money by criminal means very rarely brings a monthly income of 200 - 300 tr. (those to whom they bring, they usually do not sit), there is either a lot at once, then a release, or a little monthly, then a release anyway.

    And so, working in a PMC is not the worst option. The NWO will end, there will be other, less dangerous operations. The income is big. This is not redemption, this is a chance.

    Also, PMC Wagner can become a prospect for many APU officers after the SVO. Perhaps even the only one. Although, of course, Western PMCs will take the best for themselves.
    1. Corsair Online Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 16 September 2022 19: 13
      -1
      Quote: Siegfried
      Also, PMC Wagner can become a prospect for many APU officers after the SVO. Perhaps even the only one. Although, of course, Western PMCs will take the best for themselves.

      Let them take...
      Less freaks will be left out ... Less work for the FSB and the National Guard.
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  8. Nikolai Pigin Offline Nikolai Pigin
    Nikolai Pigin (Nikolai Pigin) 16 September 2022 20: 02
    0
    And the war is already illegal ...
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 16 September 2022 20: 23
    -3
    PMCs are illegal in Russia. Mercenaries are illegal. Recruitment of militants right in the zone by a civilian outsider, not by security forces, not by the government, not by any kind of lawyers - generally tin.

    This is a deliberate show that its owners do not care about the laws of the country ...
  10. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 17 September 2022 07: 11
    -4
    Will you send your children to fight instead of prisoners? Here is the answer! What's on your mind? Joke:

    They brought the gangster to the hospital / multiple bullet wounds to the head /, opened the skull - it's empty! But there is a rope stretched across!? The surgeon, without thinking for a long time, cut .. Ears and fell off ..
  11. Yuri V.A Offline Yuri V.A
    Yuri V.A (Yuri) 17 September 2022 07: 40
    +1
    Such a risk is needed painfully ... Whether it's a matter of stealing, drinking, going to jail - romance!
  12. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 17 September 2022 08: 18
    0
    Why not ... If convicted, it means not a person or something ... For the security forces, the option to restore both ordinary and extreme life ...
  13. zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 17 September 2022 09: 42
    +1
    Fables about the explosion of the Internet just do not drive! Telegram channels have been broadcasting videos from zones where Wagnerites are filming performances in front of convicts for several weeks now. And it's okay. People have known about this for a long time - some of them are just trying to do something out of the ordinary. The number of applications is huge. Anyone has the right to stand up for the Motherland, even if he is now in shackles!!! This is especially important if those who can but do not want to only observe. So the statement of any observer against this should be considered as a desire to sign up as a volunteer himself. And if he doesn’t want to, then let him not interfere with others to defend the country.
    1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 22 September 2022 09: 46
      0
      Now they are playing video when police cars drive around the cities and talk over loudspeakers about where to go and what to take with them. There are a lot of such fecal videos. And what, is it true? Nonsense, of course. Primitive.
  14. Oleg V. Online Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 17 September 2022 10: 47
    -1
    And you, Tokmakov, don't you want to sign up as a volunteer together with Marzhetsky??????
  15. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 17 September 2022 11: 36
    +1
    Before being sent to the zone of intense hostilities (and not to sit in the trenches, but to storm fortified positions), people are prepared for as much as 2 whole weeks.
    This is despite the fact that many of them may no longer remember where the fuse is on the machine.

    There is a suspicion that with such an approach, few will survive to freedom.
  16. Vox_Populi Online Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 17 September 2022 12: 28
    +1
    Attention, the question is: how many of these three or four hundred people risked being retrained from prisoners into "penalties"? Perhaps someday we will see the second series of the same film with the correct answer, but for now I’ll venture to suggest that it’s definitely less than half - it’s good if it’s a tenth.

    Yes, at best a tenth.

    As for the “legality” of such recruitment and the subsequent release of fines, yes, it seems that there are a certain number of going beyond the framework of the current legislation of the Russian Federation in the procedures. PMCs, in principle, work in gray areas: the theater of war, and morality, and law; that is their specificity. I'm not happy about it - but I see no reason to squeal in horror.

    And the truth is, why comply with the laws ?! They are not written for everyone. Expediency above all! winked
  17. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 17 September 2022 14: 07
    +2
    Considering that the pardon is the prerogative of the President himself, it is clear that this initiative comes from the very top.
  18. Kon1916 Offline Kon1916
    Kon1916 (Harry) 17 September 2022 14: 34
    +2
    Prigozhin has seen enough of the penal battalion))
  19. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 September 2022 16: 23
    -1
    1941 The situation is critical. How it's done
    Published in print for public information
    http://www.consultant.ru/cons/cgi/online.cgi?req=doc&base=ESU&n=11259#yLBHhHTe1kXcnyT31

    PRESIDIUM OF THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE USSR
     DECREE
    from 12 July to 1941 year
     
    ON RELEASE FROM PUNISHMENT OF CONVENTED
    ON SOME CATEGORIES OF CRIMES

    Not published. Secret Decree. And a circular letter
    https://stalinism.ru/po-zakonam-voennogo-vremeni/tsirkulyarnoe-pismo-prokuratury-sssr-nkvd-sssr-narkomyusta-sssr-o-kategoriyakh-zaklyuchennykh-i-poryadke-ikh-osvobozhdeniya-soglasno-ukaza-prezidiuma-verkhovnogo-soveta-sssr-ot-24-noyabrya-1941-g.html

    Circular letter of the Prosecutor's Office of the USSR, the NKVD of the USSR, the People's Commissariat of Justice of the USSR on the categories of prisoners and the procedure for their release in accordance with the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of November 24, 1941
    November 27 1941 city
    On the basis of a secret, not subject to publication, decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of November 24, 1941 "On the release from punishment of convicts for certain categories of crimes"

    No gag and activity of individuals such issues have not been resolved and are not being resolved.
    1. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 10: 00
      -3
      Not published. Secret Decree.

      And who said that there is no such decree now or that it is not ready for adoption?
      And in general, Vladimir Volfovich said everything a long time ago:
      https://t.me/sheyhtamir1974/26054
      laughing
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 September 2022 13: 02
        -1
        Perhaps there is. But then the prisoners should be officially rehabilitated. And not as the video says: "5 minutes to think and I'll take you out of the colony."
        Once again my opinion. Not a single head of the colony will release a prisoner without official registration.
  20. Ildar Galin Offline Ildar Galin
    Ildar Galin (Ildar Galin) 17 September 2022 16: 24
    -1
    Everything is fine. The war will cleanse people morally. In half a year it will no longer be convicts, but respected military men.
    1. 3danimal Offline 3danimal
      3danimal 18 September 2022 12: 17
      -1
      In half a year it will no longer be convicts, but respected military men.

      Six months later, these will be convicts who have felt blood and received PTSD as a gift.
      Most of those who survive will soon return to the zones, under serious and especially serious articles. Relatively speaking, someone who was imprisoned for robbery, after such a “school of life” will go to jail for group murder.
      Their victims will be insanely happy with this outcome, I'm sure No.
      We recall: a significant, most effective part of the bandit infantry of the 90s were former Afghans. Knowing how to use weapons, explosives and having shifted values.
      Drug trafficking has grown significantly thanks to the connections acquired in Afghanistan by a number of military personnel who served there.
      In the United States, after the Vietnam War, there was a surge in crime.
      In the USSR after the Second World War it is similar.
  21. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 17 September 2022 18: 44
    -1
    Quote: k7k8
    And no one had a question about the authenticity of this video? The question is not idle. There is a women's colony near our city. So, it is forbidden to enter its territory even with a push-button babkophone (even checkpoint controllers and the head of the colony are forbidden to use them on the territory of the penal colony), not to mention a video camera or smartphone. All equipment is handed over for safekeeping at the checkpoint. You need to call - go there, get a phone against signature, go out of the territory, and then again you hand over the phone to a safe under lock and key. I myself once went through such a procedure when I had to work on their territory. And here is an almost open shooting, and even leaked to the network. It seems to me that this is a good staging of the production of the Ukrainian TsIPSO.

    And why did you decide that it was filmed by a cell phone? Aren't there smart ones who filter, say, photographic equipment without connection to the Internet, a telephone channel, and who know how to taste after the shot? As far as I understand, the Wagnerites do not contradict the laws of Russia. The fact that the laws are silent in relation to them, their presence does not mean a violation. They do not work within the country. And a prosecutor to oversee their activities is not needed.
  22. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 17 September 2022 20: 39
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    Quote: Bakht
    Nobody could. Pardon is the prerogative of the President. The annulment of a judgment is the prerogative of the Supreme Court. And no one else. And the head of the colony is, strictly speaking, a performer.
    Put yourself in his place. Some one comes --- from the hillock and says "release 400 prisoners. They submitted a request." So what? And nothing. The answer will be "I would go ... to hell. Who will answer? Will I issue them a pardon"?

    What heresy? If necessary, they will do the documents as they should, they will come, hand over a bag, and take away what is written there. No one in the colony lets go or pardons anyone. Fulfills. Dot. They will take you out, check whether they are or not, count them, and bring them in paddy wagons, with security where you need them. Sign documents, weaken the regime. Education, training. But they won't be at the resort. And they will bring to the troops, vigilant. They were not released to escape. Believe me, we have more experience with them than anyone ....
  23. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 17 September 2022 22: 00
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    Quote: Oleg Vladimirovich
    And you, Tokmakov, don't you want to sign up as a volunteer together with Marzhetsky??????

    And who will type the letters on the keyboard?
  24. Event Observer Offline Event Observer
    Event Observer (Oleg T) 18 September 2022 00: 06
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    This suggests the idea that in Russia for many years specially created such living conditions that there were more prisoners who could be recruited into assault brigades. Sadly.
    1. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 10: 15
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      https://nonews.co/directory/lists/countries/prison-population
      Here, I recommend you check it out. Both in absolute numbers and in proportion to 100 people.
      And, by the way, private prisons in the United States were invented and implemented. We haven't gotten to that point.
      The current Vice President Kamala Harris (when she was a California Attorney) proposed introducing real terms (up to 2 years) for parents of those students who regularly skip classes. Since for many years of prosperity of the richest (in terms of GDP) US state, they were not able to create an effective fire service there. So the prisoners - put out the fires.
  25. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 18 September 2022 07: 38
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    Quote: Event Observer
    This suggests the idea that in Russia for many years specially created such living conditions that there were more prisoners who could be recruited into assault brigades. Sadly.

    You are a bad observer.


    Where do you see an increase in the number of prisoners? Can’t you see how many are in blessed Europe, on the bunk, and even relative to the population there?
    Can you think? Then take an interest, how many at us on a recidivism sits. And ask yourself, why so many? The answer is simple - knocked out of life, they return, there is no work, there is nowhere to live. The only way not to die is to bomb the kiosk and go to state-owned grubs and to a warm cell.
  26. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 18 September 2022 08: 51
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    Strange position. So, protecting the lives of criminals is our first civic duty. Simple and law-abiding are called upon to defend the Motherland, but, with a stigma, no. They were released from sacred duty. Are they citizens or not? Does all the articles of the Constitution apply to them, or not? You never know, some believe that to cooperate with the authorities for the trump card is zapadlo. However, if something write complaints. To whom? Prosecutor. Authorities. No one is forcing them. And the choice is given. Did they fight in the Great War? And why now is paradise for them?
    1. kot711 Offline kot711
      kot711 (vov) 18 September 2022 10: 32
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      And why now is paradise for them?
      Aren't you afraid to get ,, kraken ,,, only from our side? From the beginning, find out who they take and how in Wagner.
  27. 3danimal Offline 3danimal
    3danimal 18 September 2022 12: 03
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    yes, it seems that the procedures have a certain amount of going beyond the current legislation of the Russian Federation

    Ah, how neat.
    These procedures are a complete violation of the law.
    On the basis of what are prisoners released from the colony? With whom? In what capacity are they listed in this state?
    Dead? "But then where is the body?" And what else prevents them from killing them at the end of the 6-month period so as not to bother with a “pardon” and not pay money? Or do not let go and continue to "use" until death in the next battle?
    Runaways? “Then we need to find them quickly.
    As "dead souls", allegedly continuing to serve time?
    Our legislators have recently set records for the rapid adoption (because the Duma is not a place for discussion) of various legal acts. What prevented us from maintaining at least a semblance of legality and legalizing what was happening?
  28. Antey Offline Antey
    Antey (Andrey Telichko) 18 September 2022 16: 30
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    Quote: Bakht
    In fact, Prigozhin is a private individual. The head of the colony, who will let a private person into the territory of the colony, will lose his post. The head of the colony, who will release 400 prisoners without a court decision, will himself go to the bunk.
    And even the president's verbal order is not enough here. Not like Prigogine. In order for the prisoner to leave the territory of the place of detention, there must be paper. With appropriate signatures and seals. Not lower than the decision of the Supreme Court or the State Duma. approved by the president.

    So this whole story is very reminiscent of a dramatization. Unless a few wardens decided to commit suicide.

    Here is the history of the Azov and Kraken battalions can be viewed for interest. It's full of criminals.

    What??!! As a quite private person, I often went to the territory of the colony on my own business - the order was carried out by convicts. And as for Prigozhin, as a confidant, you know who, to go there for official recruitment approved from above - like two fingers!
  29. Plumbum Offline Plumbum
    Plumbum (Alexey) 18 September 2022 21: 20
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    Under the "chords" you can also remake the lines from the anthem of the Soviet missilemen:

    Our Minister of Defense is very happy
    We have achieved our goals
    The last NATO soldier fell,
    Under the pen of the Mordovian blatars ...
  30. Arkady007 Offline Arkady007
    Arkady007 (Arkady) 19 September 2022 18: 07
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    And Zhirinovsky was right when everyone laughed about the penal companies.

  31. Squid X Offline Squid X
    Squid X (Serg X) 20 September 2022 03: 08
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    everything is natural, but still half a year is not enough for this war. what will Prigozhin do when the prisoners will have to be sent free in the spring of the 23rd as promised?
  32. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 20 September 2022 08: 41
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    Quote: Bakht
    Prigozhin did not confirm anything. In any case, I have never seen or read anything like this.

    Well, of course this is video editing and fake tsipso. And the man in the video, in fact, in a rubber mask with the face of a prigozhin, and dozens of military correspondents, journalists and citizens were seduced like children.
    Now, if Prigozhin had written an explanatory note with a video recording that he recruited signs, then that would be another matter.
  33. Ivanushka-555 Offline Ivanushka-555
    Ivanushka-555 (Ivan) 26 September 2022 04: 31
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    Sooner or later, prisoners with a heavy article will still be released. So what's the difference - in half a year or in fifteen years? ... And there is a difference - in half a year they will benefit the state, and in fifteen years - definitely no benefit, except for tens of tons of eaten gruel.
  34. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 26 September 2022 13: 10
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    Quote: Ivanushka-555
    Sooner or later, prisoners with a heavy article will still be released. So what's the difference - in half a year or in fifteen years? ... And there is a difference - in half a year they will benefit the state, and in fifteen years - definitely no benefit, except for tens of tons of eaten gruel.

    Yes, what do you guys, the head is not working. You take care of the gruel eaten in the jail. And, isn't it right to think about this. The prisoner comes out. Can't find a job. There is no housing. There are no friends and relatives - they parted, died, abandoned him. Here, if you decide to just smash the kiosk and get a piglet on relapse, good. No casualties or major losses. And if he decides his old skill, so that for a long time, on a relatively normal and familiar gruel and warm beds? After all, he understands this better than you and me. And here is a chance. There will be luck - will remain alive. Clean documents. Some money. Or maybe he will try to change his life? Chance. The only one. Don't use it? I have read about one of these. Unfortunately, I don't remember his name. Wounded, remained to cover his comrades. Died. But not like a beast in the alley, but deserved a prayer for his repose and allowance for his family. I pray for the repose of his soul. And the Heavenly Father knows who, if I don't even remember the name.

    And those who begin to roam at the front were warned. Prigozhin said bluntly - at the expense, without trial or investigation.