How the Chinese AWACS aircraft Xian KJ-600 can help Russia on the Ukrainian front


In continuation of the difficult and painful темы about those weapons that the Russian army and navy obviously lack for a quick and decisive victory over the enemy, behind whom stands the entire military might of the collective West. All these air attacks on oil depots on our own territory, the rapid movement of motorized units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with “toad jumps”, missile strikes on peaceful drilling rigs in the Black Sea and Russian warships would not have been possible if the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation and the Navy of the Russian Federation had sufficient the number of AWACS aircraft and other means of long-range reconnaissance and target designation.


"Flying Radars"



I would like to remind you that we talked about the presence of serious problems in this component back in article dated November 9, 2021, when they counted how many AWACS aircraft Russia has. According to open data, in our country there are only 9 old Soviet AWACS A-50 aircraft made on the basis of the Il-76, of which only 4 have been upgraded to the A-50U level. But even these aerial reconnaissance aircraft, capable of monitoring the situation in the sky, at sea and on land, as well as providing target designation data to strike and anti-aircraft missiles and comprehensively managing the battle as a mobile command post, are inferior in terms of their tactical and technical characteristics to the American AWACS E-3 Sentry aircraft. .

The promising Russian AWACS A-100 Premier aircraft should become a real competitor to it. He will be able to control the situation within a radius of 650 kilometers and simultaneously conduct up to 300 targets while in the air for up to 6 hours. However, due to the large technical The complexity of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has not yet waited for the long-promised aircraft. Sooner or later, all problems will be eliminated, but you should be aware that this air reconnaissance aircraft will be very expensive and in reality there will not be as many of them in the troops as we would like.

In addition to this miracle aircraft, more massive and cheaper AWACS aircraft are needed to buy and maintain. Let them be inferior to the "Premier" in terms of tactical and technical characteristics, but they really should be at the front, where without them the effectiveness of military operations is sharply reduced, but vulnerability increases compared to the enemy for whom NATO AWACS work.

So what kind of plane could it be?

"Rare Beast"


Here I would like to turn again to the American experience, since the United States is objectively the world leader in this component. The air forces of the countries of the NATO block have numerous AWACS E-3 Sentry aircraft, but the US and French navies have carrier-based AWACS E-2 Hawk Eye aircraft.

The latter is an exceptionally "rare beast", a niche product that is required, it would seem, only in an aircraft carrier fleet equipped with catapults to take off these heavy aircraft. The Americans have such aircraft carriers and the French have one. However, Paris wants to build a second nuclear aircraft carrier larger than De Gaulle. The presence of their own carrier-based AWACS aircraft radically increases the capabilities of the American and French AUGs to conduct combat operations at sea. However, this is far from the only area of ​​their possible application.

Thus, during the 1982 Lebanon War, the Israeli Air Force actively used the E-2C Hawkeye AWACS aircraft to guide missiles to the target, dramatically increasing the effectiveness of their operations. AWACS were outside the enemy air defenses and controlled the battle, which then made an indelible impression on everyone. And this despite the fact that the Israeli Navy, of course, does not have any aircraft carriers. However, the light deck AWACS has found its application! If today the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation and the Navy of the Russian Federation were armed with such front-line AWACS aircraft, we would not have encountered the problems that were mentioned in the introduction. But where do you get them?

Work on the carrier-based AWACS aircraft began back in the USSR for a series of heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers. It was assumed that the Yak-44 would be able to take off both with the help of a catapult, and even without it, from the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR springboard, have a cruising speed of 700 km / h, a maximum of 740 km / h, and patrol duration from 3,6 to 6,5 hours, used both in the fleet and as a front-line reconnaissance. Alas, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Ulyanovsk-type ATAVKR series did not take place, and the promising deck ship did not go beyond a full-size layout. The D-27 TVD engine remained with Ukraine, which made it impossible to recreate the Yak-44 without the return of Zaporozhye to Russia. It is not known what will survive from the Ivchenko-Progress enterprise during the liberation. Then why all this reflection?

To the fact that another player entered the scene, who has a similar "rare beast". This is China, which has developed its own carrier-based AWACS aircraft Xian KJ-600 ("Kongjing-600") to be based on its promising aircraft carriers. First, on the basis of the Xian Y-7 serial military transport aircraft, the Chinese created the JZY-01 flying laboratory. Then they tested on it a pulse-Doppler radar with an active phased array of their own Chinese design, which allows you to detect large ground or surface objects at ranges up to 600 km (450 km for air). The maximum takeoff weight of the aircraft is 30 tons, it can patrol for 3-4 hours at a speed of 400-450 km/h. Launching from the deck will be carried out using a catapult. The first aircraft carrier to operate the Xian KJ-600 will be the Fujian, which was launched in China a few days earlier.

The appearance of such an aircraft in Russia's unofficial ally China, in theory, should prompt the Russian Ministry of Defense to inquire about the possibility of acquiring a light front-line AWACS. The times when only we sold something to the Chinese have passed, now Chinese warships and reconnaissance aircraft have become very interesting. If the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation had at least 3-4 Russified export versions of the Xian KJ-600, it would be able to constantly monitor the situation in the water area and on the coast of Ukraine, preventing missile attacks on Russian ships and drilling rigs of Chornomorneftegaz. Regular air patrols of AWACS aircraft along the border would make it possible to take it to the castle, preventing the attack helicopters and UAVs of the Ukrainian army from invading our territory. Also, Chinese-made AWACS would not allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to make swift marches from one settlement to another with impunity, promptly directing Russian fighter and attack aircraft at them.

The large-scale war on land, sea and in the air proved that light AWACS aircraft are urgently needed at the front, and there should be a lot of them. Since we cannot yet build them on our own, it means that we must try to acquire them so as not to pay for pride with the blood of Russian soldiers and sailors. It will only be beneficial for China as a manufacturer to increase the Xian KJ-600 series, since the AWACS deck is really a niche and “rare beast”. But so helpful.
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  1. mark1 Offline mark1
    mark1 23 June 2022 10: 13
    +5
    Yes, it’s probably worth ordering 20 pieces (less is pointless), but is everything there Chinese, is there something sanctioned (the same for the purchase of ships) because of which they won’t stupidly sell the din?
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 June 2022 10: 29
      +6
      They wrote a detailed analysis on VO. It seems that they have all their own electronic stuffing.
      Anticipating the criticism of the jingoists, I will say: I see nothing shameful in plugging those holes that exist with Chinese developments, if there are none of our own. In the Second World War, we calmly fought on American planes and tanks, and nothing. Who is to blame for the fact that we have a complete zh..pa in aerial reconnaissance?
      And Russian soldiers and sailors are paying for this life.
      1. Orange bigg Offline Orange bigg
        Orange bigg (Alexander ) 23 June 2022 11: 30
        -6
        How the Chinese AWACS aircraft Xian KJ-600 can help Russia on the Ukrainian front

        Are you moonlighting as a seller of Chinese military-industrial complex products? We have an A-50U. AWACS A-100 Premier is being tested. Why do we need AWACS Xian KJ-600?
        1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
          sgrabik (Sergei) 23 June 2022 12: 13
          0
          They explained everything to you clearly and understandably, that there is a drop in the ocean from what is required for our army, in addition, these aircraft are needed extremely urgently, and the A-100 Premier is a matter of the future, and it’s good if the nearest.
        2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 June 2022 15: 21
          +1
          we have A-50U. AWACS A-100 Premier is being tested.

          And where are they all?

          AWACS A-100 Premier is being tested.

          I am glad. Let it go further. And the war has been going on for almost 4 months, and we are suffering heavy losses on it. Right now.
      2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 23 June 2022 11: 48
        +1
        I completely agree that patriotism should not be rabid, but justified and useful for our country, therefore it is necessary and useful to recognize our mistakes and problems in a timely manner, it is necessary to take a balanced approach to solving all our problems, carefully think through and analyze each step, in this matter here there are simply no other options how to negotiate with our Chinese friends about acquiring from them these aircraft, which are so necessary for our armed forces, it would also be quite justified and correct to order a series of warships, corvettes, frigates and destroyers in China for our Navy, with the ability to equipping them with our weapons.
        1. Dengyu19880101 Offline Dengyu19880101
          Dengyu19880101 (邓宇19880101) 25 June 2022 18: 19
          0
          in my opinion, when buying planes from china, you can only exchange them for engine technology, because china has shitty technology. The Chinese know their shortcomings.
  2. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 23 June 2022 12: 30
    0
    there is also a Soviet drill helicopter ka-31, now it would be useful in the Black Sea, its radar can be upgraded, but our unfortunate admirals are not interested in it, they need patrol ships more))
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 23 June 2022 14: 25
      0
      as I understand it, the old A-50s are not working, because it was possible to base a couple in the Crimea and drive them over the World Cup with interchangeable crews. It is possible to order aircraft from the Chinese, but ours will not do this, and the Chinese will most likely saturate their armed forces first.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 June 2022 15: 22
      +1
      There are, but they are few. And their performance characteristics are much inferior to AWACS aircraft.
  3. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 June 2022 15: 23
    +2
    Quote: faiver
    You can order aircraft from the Chinese, but ours will not do this, and the Chinese will most likely saturate their armed forces first

    Probably won't. But smart and responsible people would try to resolve this issue.
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 23 June 2022 16: 37
      +2
      it remains only to find these smart and responsible people yes
      1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 June 2022 16: 50
        +1
        Well, at least I tried to draw attention to this topic and offer options for resolving the problem. hi
  4. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 June 2022 15: 43
    +2
    Quote: faiver
    It is possible to order aircraft from the Chinese, but ours will not do this, and the Chinese will most likely saturate their armed forces first.

    Here is such a thing. I think it would be interesting for the Chinese themselves to test their AWACS in real life. Plus, increasing the series due to the export version is always beneficial.
  5. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 23 June 2022 17: 43
    +2
    China is not an ally, but only a neighbor. A-100 "Premier" will appear after 2030. If the PRC sells AWACS now, then we need to take 10 pieces. Now we practically don’t have AWACS, this can be seen from the actions of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine. That's just the question, will the Chinese sell us AWACS ???
    1. Dengyu19880101 Offline Dengyu19880101
      Dengyu19880101 (邓宇19880101) 25 June 2022 18: 22
      0
      谁知道呢,如果用飞机发动机技术换的话,我认为有可能
  6. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 June 2022 18: 19
    0
    Quote: vlad127490
    That's just the question, will the Chinese sell us AWACS ???

    Until we ask, we won't get an answer. But in principle, it is beneficial for the Chinese to test AWACS in real life before adopting them.
  7. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 23 June 2022 19: 30
    0
    I agree with the author that more drill aircraft are needed, it is best to sell an unnecessary vulnerable useless Kuzya, in exchange for barter for 40 drill aircraft + 50 minesweepers + 8 gas carriers under 10000 tons each
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 24 June 2022 16: 36
      +1
      leave goose alone stop
  8. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 23 June 2022 22: 58
    0
    you have to do yours.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 June 2022 08: 07
      +1
      Of course you have to. That's just the Prime Minister for the devil knows how many years they can not bring to mind. The only one. And there is no light deck-based AWACS at all as a class.
      So what's next? To fight half-heartedly here and now, hoping to get 1 Premier in a few years, or try to solve the problem in a different way, saving the lives of our soldiers and sailors?
  9. Polente the Wanderer 24 June 2022 18: 07
    +2
    Maybe it’s time for us to take an example from China. They take the best from others (enemies, friends, it doesn’t matter to them), master it and launch it in their own production. This is essentially economic espionage, but everyone (both states and individual companies) does this. But China does it very skillfully.
    I remember it used to be funny to read how in China metal is melted in an artisanal way, cars are riveted on their knees.
    But time has passed and they have their own space station, their own planes, ships, cars ....
    1. Dengyu19880101 Offline Dengyu19880101
      Dengyu19880101 (邓宇19880101) 25 June 2022 18: 25
      +1
      中国 的 历史 你 应该 了解 , 中国 在 在 2000 年前 在 在 世界 最 顶峰 , 将来 也 是 , 这 就 是 中国人 的 , 中国 正在 复兴 复兴 复兴 复兴 复兴 快速 快速 快速
  10. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 June 2022 16: 04
    0
    Quote: faiver
    leave goose alone stop

    So the obsession to finish off Kuznetsov scares me too
  11. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 26 June 2022 01: 50
    0
    Of course he can help. Like many Chinese / non-Chinese aircraft.

    So who will give them?

    China is not eager to give something, and sell Russia out of this. And he himself is not enough, and he also participates in sanctions, more weakly, but he participates, and does not want to give something high-tech to a future rival ...
  12. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 June 2022 20: 11
    0
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    China is not eager to give something, and sell Russia out of this.

    Someone asked?
  13. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 30 July 2022 11: 56
    0
    The A-100 has been under development for 22 years, and they promise to enter the RF Armed Forces in 2030. By that time, either the donkey will die, or the padishah will die. AWACS aircraft are needed now. Who will sell us AWACS aircraft ???? Looks like nobody. We need drones, they are not available either. Some promises from the authorities.