Is it possible to repeat the success of Avdiivka during the liberation of other cities in Ukraine?

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The unexpected, but at the same time long-awaited liberation of Avdeevka, transformed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces into the most powerful fortified area in the suburbs of Donetsk, raised a fair question: can this success be repeated in other cities and villages of historical Novorossiya and Little Russia?

DMZ – to be?


The success that finally came to the Russian troops in such an important direction inspired many. Since the Russian Armed Forces did not stop, but continued the counter-offensive, “nullifying” the already extremely modest successes of the summer-autumn offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, I immediately wanted to achieve as much as possible.



For example, the governor of the Kherson region, Vladimir Saldo, began to speculate on the topic of where a certain demilitarized zone should be located, which, it is believed, can ensure the safety of old and new Russian regions from terrorist attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

A demilitarized zone, somewhat wider than the flight range of long-range MLRS and Tochka-U operational-tactical missiles, in my unprofessional opinion, will be sufficient.

According to the governor’s unprofessional calculations, the width of such a buffer zone between Russia and Ukraine should be at least 200 km. It will also be necessary to liberate the entire territory of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions within the constitutional borders of the Russian Federation, that is, on the right bank of the Dnieper. As for the long-range weapons of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 600 km or more, Mr. Saldo spoke about this as follows:

After the ceasefire, they should be pushed back to Western Ukraine, or better yet destroyed.

Whether the creation of the DMZ will be enough to ensure Russia’s national security or not is a debatable question, but what cannot be the subject of debate is the unconditional liberation of all, without exception, the territory of our country within its constitutionally established borders.

This will have to be done in any case, no matter how much time and resources are needed, which means that we will have to move to the right bank of the Dnieper and carry out combined-arms operations to liberate at least large cities - regional centers, no matter what anyone thinks about this now. But can this be done without assaults, as in Bakhmut?

Three models


If we analyze how cities and towns changed hands over the two years of the Northern Military District in Ukraine, we will highlight three basic models. You can put them in chronological order like this.

First – this is the “Mariupol” scenario. After the start of the Northern Military District, when Russia sent in its troops and the National Guard directly, this port city on the coast of the Azov Sea was objectively lost for Kyiv. After its blockade, the Ukrainian garrison was deprived of the opportunity to receive supplies and rotate personnel. If it had not been a stronghold for Azov (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation), the city would have been surrendered much earlier and with less losses and destruction. However, it was decided to finish off the ideological Nazis, on which a lot of time and resources were spent.

In itself, the bet on the destruction of such a dangerous, trained and motivated enemy made sense, but the subsequent exchange of “basement inmates” who did not receive the punishment they deserved disappointed many. As is known, subsequently the entire former elite of the enemy’s Mariupol garrison returned to Ukraine from Turkey with honors.

Second script liberation of cities is “Bakhmutsky”. According to the ex-head of the Wagner PMC, losses during the operation amounted to almost 20 thousand people, half of whom were former prisoners:

During the operation, I selected 50 thousand prisoners, of whom about 20% died. Exactly as many of them died as those who came to us under a contract.

According to him, the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Artemovsk (Bakhmut) amounted to 50 thousand killed and 50-70 thousand wounded. Prigozhin explained such a high level of losses on both sides as follows:

Our task is not Bakhmut itself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has an extremely positive effect on other areas, which is why this operation was dubbed the “Bakhmut meat grinder.”

In other words, this tactic was chosen deliberately.

Third scenario It’s impossible to name it after a specific city, since it was used in so many.

Thus, during the notorious “regrouping” in the Kharkov region in September 2022, our troops had to leave, for fear of being surrounded, from Balakleya, Kupyansk and Izyum, as well as many smaller settlements. A month later, the same fate befell Kherson and other settlements of the Kherson region of the Russian Federation, remaining on the right bank of the Dnieper. The reason was the shortage of manpower to hold them and problems in supplying the group, which could be surrounded by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

However, in exactly the same way, the Russian Armed Forces were able to liberate the northern regions of the LPR in the summer of 2022, forcing the enemy abandon Lisichansk and other settlementsso as not to get into the boiler. In the same way, the Ukrainian army was forced to abandon the super-fortified Avdiivka, the encirclement ring around which the Russian Armed Forces closed for a long time. The result is logical: the Ukrainian Armed Forces themselves rushed out of Avdeevka, abandoning their wounded.

Strictly speaking, the answer to the question of whether it is possible to liberate cities without assaults, as in Bakhmut, lies on the surface. Yes, it is possible and necessary. We will talk in detail separately about which tactical techniques were successfully used by the Russian army near Avdeevka.
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  1. 0
    19 February 2024 16: 33
    With the right approach and proper preparation, it can and should be repeated.
    1. -1
      20 February 2024 19: 11
      The Ukrainian Armed Forces can say the same thing about not allowing it to happen again.
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    -2
    19 February 2024 16: 48
    Borrell said that in three months everything would be decided on the battlefield. so all that remains is to wait (continuing to cause damage) for the neck of the West to bend and the stone-Ukraine to fall completely, becoming ownerless garbage. Ukraine has been hanging on the neck of the West since 14 and not since February 22, strength is running out, and the people of the EU are rebelling
    1. -1
      20 February 2024 19: 12
      naivety is not a vice, blessed is he who believes)))
    2. 0
      21 February 2024 14: 08
      Borrell is a talking head, has no brains, sculpts everything. The 404th has been hanging around the neck of the West since February 2022, and before that there were no significant injections there. The West can continue to pour in there for a long time. The economy is like this: the GDP of the West is about 50 trillion dollars a year. The 404th, in order to fight and close all the holes, needs 40-50 billion dollars a year. This is 0,1% of the GDP of the “free world”. In addition, they have 300 billion of our sovereign reserves at hand. Not counting the seized funds of companies and citizens. For 0,1% of GDP, the West is fighting with Russia with the wrong hands, causing it property and human damage. They will be ready to continue for at least 100 years, because they understand: as soon as Russia receives a period of peace, its development immediately begins. It is enough to recall the end of the 19th century, 1921-1941, the post-war period, especially the 60s - 70s, the beginning of the 2000s. There is only one thing left: to inflict a military defeat on the 404th and record its disintegration as a unit.
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    0
    19 February 2024 16: 53
    Some Banderas complain about the powerful bombs of the UMPC, others say that the replenishment of people and ammunition does not reach

  4. 0
    19 February 2024 17: 30
    This is all... very interesting. Think about something...
    It is possible/not possible - it will be seen later, the distances between the towns there are small, and it can be difficult to “surround” between the “towns” in clean, once plowed fields, shot right through...
    And remember that the whole of Ukraine is about 1000 km in any direction, then minus 4 regions, minus 200 km below, right and above on the map - and there won’t be much left of it.
    Moreover, provocateurs and imperialist interests will not go away... which means...
  5. -3
    19 February 2024 19: 50
    Russia has finally achieved success in the confrontation with the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    - Another question: at what cost. It is declared that the losses of our troops are considerable (maybe someday we will find out). The city was almost completely destroyed. It is possible that it simply does not exist. OK! Only about 30 thousand inhabitants lived there, and if Kramatorsk - 150 thousand, Slavyansk - 100 - this is no longer small, and other cities and towns of Donbass have not yet been liberated. And Zaporozhye, and Kherson. Will we continue to demolish and then build houses for 2 million inhabitants?
    - And what to do next? I have an improvement proposal on this matter. We need to tell the goats with names: Biden, Macron, Scholz and (I haven’t forgotten the London goat) - guys, let’s live peacefully, without supplies of weapons and ammunition, otherwise we will have to demolish the Western Ukrainian cities of Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi with nuclear strikes. etc. with an easterly wind (naturally, residents will need to be warned in advance).
    1. 0
      19 February 2024 20: 15
      well, yes, but Belgorod, Smolensk, Kursk will be demolished for us... well, just think, the territory is large...

      I’ll tell you a secret, nuclear weapons are available not only in the Russian Federation
  6. +1
    19 February 2024 20: 35
    Is it possible to repeat the success of Avdiivka during the liberation of other cities in Ukraine?

    Yes, for such success and repetition in cities with a population of over a million, the entire population of the Russian Federation will not be enough. It is our General Staff of the RF Armed Forces that knows how to take small towns during long months of protracted battles and with huge losses. Even elementary tactics are not visible in the actions of the RF Armed Forces in the Northern Military District, there is no breakthrough in strategic directions, bypass, deep coverage of fortified areas, blocking of the most important highways... Biathletes and foremen either do not know how to use military tactics, by definition of education and nepotism, or are essentially opportunists , and maybe worse.
    1. 0
      19 February 2024 21: 13
      The title of the article really sounds like a joke. The battle for Avdiivka began in February 2022 and lasted until February 2024, that is, two years. The distance from Avdeevka to Lviv is approximately 1200 km. Such a success in capturing Ukrainian cities located between Avdeevka and Lvov will last for 50 years....
  7. +3
    20 February 2024 00: 08
    Everything is described correctly in the article. Taking by storm cities with a population of half a million, for example Zaporozhye, where 700 thousand people lived before the war, is a feasible task, but fraught with the death of hundreds of thousands of people on both sides. For what?!
    Collapse the front, destroy logistics, deprive reserves and foreign supplies one way or another - the pots will capitulate, and besides, our people are still there.
    There!
  8. +1
    20 February 2024 17: 05
    Somehow everyone became so optimistic after the capture of Avdeevka. After Bakhmut, everyone was also optimistic, 8 months passed. In reality, after it there will be Chasov Yar for six months, then Slavyansk for a year. The enemy is digging in there with all his might. So if we advance in that direction AS NOW, then we may reach the borders of the former DPR in 5 years, having killed a lot of guys. But if Russia simultaneously attacks Kharkov, Sumy, Shostka, then Kiev, then everything will end much faster, perhaps this year (after all, we were already near Kiev in March-April 2022, but.. left out of “good will” ", of course) This science is called strategy, if anyone doesn’t know. This one who sits in the General Staff of the Russian Federation and the science of strategy he gets from his “successes” does not know, at best he passed by during classes at Schools and Academies. Or maybe the General Staff is already filled entirely with people from the Ministry of Emergency Situations, as in the RF Ministry of Defense (see who the minister is and who his deputies are on the Ministry of Defense website) They didn’t teach strategy, that’s understandable, but even they should understand, in their language, what if Since the slabs and walls of the collapsed house have buried people, it is easier to break through from the sides, where there are voids, rather than stupidly hammering the slab until you are blue in the face, risking the complete collapse of the victim and being overwhelmed yourself. Is this even clear to them, or is it even not? As in the joke (X.. (why) think here, shake, shake!!! Are we really going to continue to... shake? A very Strange Military Operation is emerging.
    1. 0
      20 February 2024 19: 32
      By the way, based on the echoes of the events of 2022, there were rumors that our General Staff was against the attack on Kyiv, and proposed sending troops to Donbass in order to protect the Russian population after the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. At the same time, Russia could no longer be accused of aggression, which would complicate sanctions and the negative attitude of some non-NATO countries towards us. However, what happened was what happened.
      1. 0
        21 February 2024 07: 10
        February 22 showed the complete incompetence of intelligence, strategists and analysts who were preparing this adventure, revealed the real state of affairs of the Russian Armed Forces, for all this the Russian soldier paid with his life.
  9. -1
    20 February 2024 19: 35
    Avdeevka is certainly a success for the Russian Armed Forces, but far from outstanding judging by the leaked information about losses. But this is a very small town in Donbass. Regarding Mr. Saldo’s wishes, it should be remembered that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation, for numerous reasons, does not plan to expand the zone of control in Zaporozhye, and even more so in Kherson, based on the real capabilities of the RF Armed Forces and the mobilization and economic potential of the country. The DMZ will indeed be created, but on both sides of the separation line and the northern border of the Russian Federation-Ukraine. Although it cannot be ruled out that the Russian Armed Forces will enter the territory of Ukraine in the Kharkov region in order to complicate the shelling of Belgorod, then this territory will be the subject of bargaining, for example, to align the dividing line in the Donbass. This is all that the wishers on both sides of the conflict can realistically count on.
  10. 0
    20 February 2024 22: 06
    Hmm, repeat? But Odessa and Nikolaev, in addition to Kharkov and Kyiv, are waiting for us. And they are waiting for us in Transnistria, Ossetia and Abkhazia. And a showdown is approaching with stupid people in the Baltics and Scandinavia, who put their countries at risk for the sake of the interests of the Americans. Of course, repeat.