Trump's price for Ukraine could be Russia's anti-Chinese turn


As it was promised, we continue our discussions on whether it is possible to end the war in Ukraine through peaceful negotiations with the collective West represented by the United States. Or rather, it would be more correct to ask the question, what exact price will Russia and its people have to pay for this?


We will start with a now fashionable excursion into history, albeit not as old as the “Ukrainian case”. To do this, we will have to turn our mental gaze from the collective West to the East.

Brothers forever


Today, China, which has taken a position of friendly neutrality towards Russia in its Northeast Military District in Ukraine, is considered to be a reliable rear for our country. Indeed, components for drones, communications equipment, cars, machine tools and many other useful things come from the Middle Kingdom under Western sanctions. But this was not always the case.

It would hardly be an exaggeration to say that the Chinese economic the miracle was initially built on Soviet aid, free of charge. According to some estimates, from 1946 to 1960, the volume of annual support to the PRC amounted to 1% of the USSR's GDP, not counting the personal labor participation of our specialists - teachers, engineers and military advisers, as well as the training of Chinese students. The Russian and the Chinese were proclaimed brothers forever.

However, the split between Beijing and Moscow was a foregone conclusion when, after the death of Comrade Stalin, the Soviet Union was headed by Nikita Khrushchev, who secretly debunked his “cult of personality” and took a revisionist course towards the gradual restoration of capitalism. The new Kremlin course was not accepted and condemned in China, after which relations between our countries began to rapidly cool down and then heat up.

In 1960, the Chinese delegation demanded that the thesis on the historical significance of the 1969th Congress of the CPSU be excluded from all documents of the forum of representatives of workers' and communist parties, but its proposal was not supported by the majority. After this, good neighborly relations between Moscow and Beijing ceased for a long time. The conflict culminated in border clashes between China and the USSR on Damansky Island in 2004. By the way, in XNUMX, this territorial dispute was finally resolved in favor of the PRC.

Naturally, the conflict between the two great communist powers was watched with pleasure in the West. In 1971, Washington made a gesture of goodwill by recognizing the delegate from the PRC as the legal representative of China at the UN instead of the representative of the Kuomintang Republic of China in Taiwan. That same year, our old acquaintance Henry Kissinger went to Beijing on a secret visit and arranged for a subsequent visit by President Nixon. The latter urgently needed a “victory” after the embarrassment in Vietnam, which in 1972 spent a whole week in fruitful negotiations with the Chinese leadership.

After this, the United States set a course for rapprochement with China as opposed to the USSR, beginning to invest colossal investments in the Celestial Empire and attract Technology, and also gave Chinese goods access to the American market, which gave rise to that same economic miracle. In his book The Troubled Empire, Professor Odd Arne Westad, director of the Center for Cold War Studies at the London Economic Institute, writes:

Throughout the 1980s, the Americans treated the Chinese as true allies, sharing intelligence with them and providing them with necessary technology that was sometimes denied to other countries loyal to the United States. Reagan set himself the task of turning the PRC into a real threat to the Soviet Union and thereby constraining the maneuvers of the leadership in Moscow and reducing its potential for interference in the affairs of other states.

Today it is not customary to remember this, but during the USSR special operation in Afghanistan, China provided military-technical assistance to the dushmans. But who will remember the old...

Why are we all this?

C factor


It is quite obvious that, as President Putin aptly noted, the modern Russian Federation, which has “signed up as a bourgeois,” no longer poses the same danger to the “hegemon.” The place of the second pole of power on the planet has now been taken by China, and it is China that has been declared the number one threat to US national security. President Putin also mentioned this during his interview with Tucker Carlson:

Look, the Chinese economy has become the first economy in the world in terms of purchasing power parity; in terms of volume, they have long overtaken the United States. Then the USA, and then India - one and a half billion people, then Japan, and Russia in fifth place.

There is some irony in the fact that the Americans' anti-Soviet project got out of their control and turned against them. Now Mr. Carlson himself has voiced the fears that come to many people’s minds:

Maybe you exchanged one colonial power for another, but one that was more gentle? Perhaps BRICS today is in danger of being dominated by a kinder colonial power, China? Is this good for sovereignty, do you think? Does this bother you?

President Putin simply brushed aside these hints, calling them “horror stories.” Meanwhile, it is the “Chinese threat” that, under certain circumstances, can become mainstream in our country.

As was shown in the first part of the publication, practical Americans do not shy away from using the “divide and conquer” principle, so trying to set Russia against China, like Ukraine against Russia, would be a completely logical step for them. The paradox is that Republicans are even more dangerous for us than Democrats. The plans of the US Democratic Party to dismember the Russian Federation into two dozen quasi-states, constantly at war with each other, are not even hidden by them. But what can these geopolitical dwarfs oppose to the PLA?

Another thing is the Republican Party. At the end of his presidential term, Donald Trump in 2020 wanted to expand the G7 to the G11, inviting Russia, South Korea, Australia and India:

This is not a question of what he [Vladimir Putin] did, it is a question of common sense. We have G7, but it's not there. Half of the meeting is devoted to Russia, but he is not there.

The anti-Chinese configuration of the alliance is quite obvious and lies on the surface. If re-elected in November 2024, Trump may try to win Moscow over to his side against China by starting with unfriendly neutrality. In return, Washington may offer to lift some of the economic sanctions, stop or radically reduce funding for Ukraine in order to freeze the conflict, and even, it is possible, to resolve something with the territorial acquisitions of the Russian Federation in its favor. In the end, it was Trump who recognized the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights as Israeli, as well as all of Jerusalem - the capital of the Jewish state.

Could Republicans have similar plans? Quite. But is it worth following their lead, changing the war for the liberation of Ukraine with the NATO bloc to an absolutely hopeless and senseless one against a one and a half billion nuclear China for the sake of the interests of Uncle Sam?
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  1. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 12 February 2024 08: 39
    +3
    Oh well. The national pastime is running along the rake. With obstacles.
    1. GUKTU76 Offline GUKTU76
      GUKTU76 (Alexander Vasilievich) 12 February 2024 11: 45
      0
      Self-critical, however ...
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  3. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 February 2024 08: 43
    +4
    My personal opinion, as an armchair expert, is that the candidate will not make an exchange at the expense of China, no matter how it applies to him, but he is a man of his word and will do what he promised
    1. Vdmx Offline Vdmx
      Vdmx (Vladimir) 12 February 2024 18: 48
      +1
      For example, the president promised not to raise the retirement age for now))).
      1. imjarek Offline imjarek
        imjarek (imjarek) 13 February 2024 15: 40
        0
        Well, this is for “our own people”....
    2. SP-Ang Offline SP-Ang
      SP-Ang (Sergei) 16 February 2024 07: 39
      0
      Quote: rotkiv04
      but he is a man of his word and will do what he promised

      Promises to promise?
  4. maiman61 Offline maiman61
    maiman61 (Yuri) 12 February 2024 09: 01
    +1
    Fuck you, not Russia's anti-Chinese turn!!! The only thing worse than friendship with the Anglo-Saxons is war with them! And this is an axiom! The Anglo-Saxons have ALWAYS been enemies, THERE ARE enemies and will ALWAYS be enemies! China is our neighbor, and neighbors must live together! Moreover, the future belongs to China, and the satanic west is already yesterday!
    1. Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 14 February 2024 06: 54
      0
      listen to the interview with Tucker Carlson...

      maybe then you’ll always stop writing yours in capital letters...

      and the Americans published a conversation between someone and Clinton, where some people claim that they will continue Yeltsin’s work...

      although...if you listen to Solovyov alone...
  5. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 12 February 2024 09: 09
    0
    Now the world is divided into friends and foes. This can only happen in politics. This doesn't happen in life. Artificiality creates uncertainty. A country may be in relations with other countries, with other organizations. But in any case, you need to defend your line. If, of course, it exists. Nowadays there are different opinions in societies. Starting with destroying. Or be friends with everyone, no matter what. The world respects a country that has followed the same policy for a long time. After all, presidents come and go. And we have a long time to live.
  6. Victor Pater Offline Victor Pater
    Victor Pater (Nikolai) 12 February 2024 09: 15
    -2
    It is unlikely that Putin will agree with this. The NWO was started as a challenge to the Anglo-Saxons, and must end with our Victory, regardless of whether they want it or not. Lifting sanctions? But Russia has been living under sanctions for 2 years and has not become weaker (like other countries: Iran and North Korea); Besides, the West has deceived us so many times already that “there is no need to exchange our birthright for lentil stew.” As for China, it has enough problems with surrounding countries: India, Vietnam, Japan..., and it clearly doesn’t need to add another problem with the nuclear power Russia. In 2002, one high-ranking Chinese leader, when asked by our correspondent about the possibility of problems between Russia and China responded:

    If Russia is not an ally of the United States, it will not have any problems with China; if Russia is an ally of the United States, it will have problems with China.
    1. Vdmx Offline Vdmx
      Vdmx (Vladimir) 12 February 2024 18: 45
      +3
      The Kremlin, through Lavrov, Peskov and Putin, is constantly signaling to the West that it is ready to negotiate and seek a compromise. What do you mean by Russian victory? The goals stated two years ago cannot be realized due to the impossibility of achieving a military victory over Ukraine, the return of neutral status, the refusal to place foreign bases on the territory of Ukraine, the ban on the supply of certain types of strike weapons to Kiev...., all this will be discussed during the search for a way to stop active hostilities. Kyiv will never recognize new borders with the Russian Federation, Moscow is unable to achieve its goals through military means. There will be no winner in this war, there will be a difficult compromise, primarily for Kyiv, which is also unable to return what was lost through military means; a final resolution of the conflict is possible only in the distant future.
      1. Pavlenko Valery Offline Pavlenko Valery
        Pavlenko Valery (Pavlenko Valery) 15 February 2024 18: 16
        0
        Moscow will achieve its goals and there is no doubt about it. Man, you wrote something stupid. You did not take into account one thing, that the Russian Federation does not hit civilians like crests. Volfovich, Ukraine would have been destroyed in three days, even without a nuclear war. In every region, the Sarmatamt is without nuclear filling, and all of such a state as Ukraine is all zero, just ruins. And the fact that the Russian Federation will win is a matter of time, Russia has withstood and will endure sanctions, and VICTORY will be ours.
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  8. DO Offline DO
    DO (Dmitriy) 12 February 2024 11: 14
    +3
    If re-elected in November 2024, Trump...

    This is reminiscent of the argument on the topic “if my grandmother had one, she would be a grandfather” :)))
  9. GUKTU76 Offline GUKTU76
    GUKTU76 (Alexander Vasilievich) 12 February 2024 11: 52
    0
    The best illustration of the hostile choice of a neighboring country is before our eyes. Therefore, there will be no anti-Chinese, anti-Indian, anti-Syrian and other “anti” to please anyone. There is one message: being an enemy of Russia is expensive and painful.

    Let's live in peace!

    You do not want? Don't be offended later...
    1. imjarek Offline imjarek
      imjarek (imjarek) 13 February 2024 15: 44
      0
      ...expensive and painful...

      We must add “and life-threatening”!
  10. Griffith Offline Griffith
    Griffith (Oleg) 12 February 2024 12: 44
    -3
    Yes, and the 20 billion dollar trade balance with America will replace the 200 billion dollar trade balance with China. And suddenly Chinese engineering will be replaced by German. And the frozen assets will be returned with interest. And enterprises nationalized in the West. Yeah. And America will also invest trillions of dollars in the Russian economy, just as it once invested in China. And another 5 trillion. will throw equipment on the border with China. Yeah. We believe. Author.
    1. imjarek Offline imjarek
      imjarek (imjarek) 16 February 2024 02: 07
      0
      The probability of this is vanishingly small, but still different from zero.
  11. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
    Beidodir (Beidodir) 12 February 2024 12: 55
    +1
    Quote: Griffit
    Yes, and the 20 billion dollar trade balance with America will replace the 200 billion dollar trade balance with China. And suddenly Chinese engineering will replace German engineering. And the frozen assets will be returned with interest. And enterprises nationalized in the West. Yeah. And America will also invest trillions of dollars in the Russian economy, just as it once invested in China. And another 5 trillion. will throw equipment on the border with China. Yeah. We believe. Author. Stop smoking weed, otherwise you’ll soon look like Ze and his stories.

    Smart people would no longer refer to lost profits as a counterargument. Smart people would look at how much Europe lost from the severance of relations with Russia for purely political reasons.
    And smart people would think that the priority of the ruling nomenklatura in Russia is their assets abroad, frozen due to sanctions, or “trillions of dollars invested by China” (by the way, what exactly are these trillions and where are they invested?).
    1. Griffith Offline Griffith
      Griffith (Oleg) 12 February 2024 13: 45
      +2
      Smart people would no longer refer to lost profits as a counterargument. Smart people would look at how much Europe lost from the severance of relations with Russia for purely political reasons.
      And smart people would think that the priority of the ruling nomenklatura in Russia is their assets abroad, frozen due to sanctions, or “trillions of dollars invested by China” (by the way, what exactly are these trillions and where are they invested?).
      But you're not a smart person, are you? wink

      Yeah, break with China, with a population of 1,5 billion, which is developing by leaps and bounds, and which is nearby, for an ephemeral friendship with America, which is rotting inside, and cannot even bring its railway roads to mind with with a cargo of 30 trillion. dollars, with legalized prostitution, pedophilia, homosexuals and drugs. And at the same time talk about family values. And then tell everyone again that we were deceived. Have you watched Putin's interview? Did he directly state there that there is no one in the West to negotiate with? Or was he lying? Yes?
      1. imjarek Offline imjarek
        imjarek (imjarek) 13 February 2024 15: 47
        -1
        Will Russia break with China? Rather, the Volga will flow backwards!
  12. Griffith Offline Griffith
    Griffith (Oleg) 12 February 2024 13: 20
    0
    Author. There were reasonable preconditions for China's turn away from the USSR. We don’t know much about the history of Russia, but we can draw certain conclusions. China's turnaround began only after Khrushchev came to power in Russia. Before that, everything was fine. But when Stalin was killed and Khrushchev began a policy of discrediting Stalin, and as we now see there are always enough enemies within Russia, and Stalin’s policy, although tough, was justified, then the corrosion of relations began. And today we understand perfectly why. It was under Khrushchev that the systematic gradual destruction of the USSR began. We see this now, but it became clear to the top of China then. And if suddenly the USSR can improve relations with America after the Caribbean crisis, then why can’t China? Moreover, during the time of Khrushchev, the USSR began to curtail technical cooperation with China. Those. Before Kissinger's trip to China, relations between China and Russia were in limbo, and this is said, for more than 10 years. Where does the author see such a situation now? Trade turnover with China is growing. Can America replace him? Similar goods that are two to five times more expensive than Chinese ones? Will Russia buy oil and gas instead of China? Perhaps he will send his troops to the border with China, which is more than 1000 km long? And will he also present Central Asia on a silver platter, displacing China from there? And this after Putin and Comrade Xi declared to the whole world that together they were making history, the likes of which had not been seen for more than a hundred years? The author, laying out your illusions, lay out the prerequisites for these illusions. The exchange of Ukraine, in which things are already going in favor of Russia for Russia, is very petty. Is this how you see the leadership of Russia and Putin? Where are BRICS+, SCO, Syria, Central Asia, Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, the Middle East, Africa, etc.? Tell us.
    1. Vdmx Offline Vdmx
      Vdmx (Vladimir) 12 February 2024 18: 25
      0
      Do not confuse public statements by leaders and real policies. Where in Ukraine did you see “things are going in Russia’s favor”? The capture of two dozen Avdeevkas and Mikhailovkas does not mean in any way that Moscow has found a way out of the strategic impasse in the military campaign in Ukraine; there is none for both sides. Freezing the conflict is the only way out for both Kyiv and Moscow.
      1. Griffith Offline Griffith
        Griffith (Oleg) 12 February 2024 20: 59
        -3
        Even freezing the conflict does not imply a 180° turn in Russian policy. Those. America give us Ukraine, and we will abandon the SCO, 20 years of effort, BRICS, 15 years of effort, Iran, North Korea, Syria? How do you understand this? And then Putin will say, I’ve been telling you for 20 years about family values, spiritual bonds, but I’ll tell you the truth, all this is my nonsense. We will be with America, with homosexuals, LGBT, pedophiles and other satanic crap. And today’s partners of Russia will say, what a handsome Putin, how beautifully he cheated us. How do you imagine that? Yes, in Ukraine the situation is at a dead end, let’s say. The situation in Syria has been at a standstill since 2011, so what? In Iraq since 2003... so what? What does it change? Has Russia's policy on Syria and Iraq changed? Only narrow-minded people think that Carlson has arrived and Putin, like Batman, will say that our policy over the past 20 years with China, India, and other BRICS and SCO countries is complete bullshit, now we are with Trump and America. Really narrow-minded, complete lack of logic and reason. Is this really homo sapiens?
        1. Vdmx Offline Vdmx
          Vdmx (Vladimir) 13 February 2024 04: 58
          -2
          What does “SCO, 20 years of effort, BRICS, 15 years of effort, Iran, North Korea, Syria” have to do with this? Nobody is demanding that Moscow stop any games in this direction; freezing the conflict is needed primarily by Moscow due to its futility and with Washington’s consent, the deal presupposes some cooling in the military-political relations between the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China, and apparently a number of other non-public agreements. At this stage, stopping active hostilities is acceptable to all parties.
        2. imjarek Offline imjarek
          imjarek (imjarek) 16 February 2024 02: 11
          0
          So Putin is an intelligence officer. If he doesn’t quit, then who will? Biden, or what?
  13. KLNM Offline KLNM
    KLNM (KLNM) 12 February 2024 15: 35
    +2
    Nonsense! Trump cannot be trusted a single word, just like other Americans.
    They have lived to the point that they are not even able to cope with Ukraine....


  14. Vdmx Offline Vdmx
    Vdmx (Vladimir) 12 February 2024 18: 14
    0
    They write that Tucker brought Putin a certain message from the Republicans, and also tested the waters regarding the minimum that Moscow is ready to agree to in Ukraine. Moreover, Tucker has already stated that Putin is “ready to make a serious compromise on Ukraine”, having talked with the Russian President off the record after the interview. In other words, the Kremlin is ready to make serious concessions to freeze the conflict. I would not be surprised that in order to get out of the Ukrainian deadlock, the Kremlin is ready to cool relations with China, but not to unfriendly neutrality.
    Unfortunately, this compromise cannot be realized before the end of the election process in the United States; tens of thousands more people on both sides will die and be maimed.
    1. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 12 February 2024 21: 04
      +1
      Well, what a conspiracy theory. They're adults. Now there are a lot of channels for contacts - through diplomatic missions, through the UN, through intelligence services, and through business contacts. Nowadays a journalist is not needed with a microrecording of the Republican proposal in a false tooth) There are quite reliable contacts.
      1. Vdmx Offline Vdmx
        Vdmx (Vladimir) 12 February 2024 22: 32
        0
        And yet, why can’t Tucker be such a channel? If I need to end this war, I will use any possible means to convey my position, especially through the Western media, if something goes wrong, I can remind you of Tucker’s visit and calls for a compromise, on the one hand, info on what I am ready to reach the recipients through non-public channels, but on the other hand, you never know what Tucker heard or was transferred in off-record conversations).
        1. Griffith Offline Griffith
          Griffith (Oleg) 12 February 2024 22: 50
          -1
          And yet, why can’t Tucker be such a channel? If I need to end this war, I will use any possible means to convey my position, especially through the Western media, if something goes wrong, I can remind you of Tucker’s visit and calls for a compromise, on the one hand, info on what I am ready to reach the recipients through non-public channels, but on the other hand, you never know what Tucker heard or was transferred in off-record conversations).

          Is this how you imagine it? The man studied to be a carpenter, he likes it. His parents were carpenters and passed on a whole bunch of know-how in the profession. You earn a decent salary for your living. In fact, your whole life is about this. And then one fine day they come to you and say that that’s it, no one needs your products. And here are entire corporations, thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people, trillions of dollars. And then they come to you and say, no one needs your corporation? So how? Will you be terribly happy about this? How do you like the compromises? When you lose everything because of compromises. Everything your whole life is built on? Do you think it’s so easy to rebuild the entire lives of hundreds of thousands of people, their entire ideology, the meaning of life? And start practically from scratch? This is of course a little exaggerated, but the meaning is clear. And America has lived by this since the 40s of the last century.
    2. Griffith Offline Griffith
      Griffith (Oleg) 12 February 2024 21: 21
      0
      I’ll tell you a secret, the same number of people die and are injured in car accidents in the world as in the conflict in Ukraine. And nothing. This is an acceptable price for civilization. Nobody gave up the car. People are dying. It is sad. That's all. That is life. If the price of restructuring society is the death of a certain number of its citizens, then so be it. When a person is treated, they undergo surgery, bleed, and, if necessary, remove damaged organs. That's the price. To gain something, you must first lose something. Even at the cost of your life, Free cheese is only in a mousetrap. And the government’s task is to reduce the collateral damage, but it cannot be avoided by betting on someone unknown, like Trump. Which exists today and will not exist tomorrow.
  15. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 12 February 2024 21: 51
    +5
    Trump will NOT be able to overcome the anti-Russian policy and rhetoric of the United States, even if he really has such a desire. Firstly, because the Republicans will definitely not be able to take control of both houses of Congress. Secondly, because not all Republicans are at least neutral towards Russia. So the United States under Trump will not be able to work out a deal on Ukraine that is tempting for Russia. There will be a ridiculous proposal like a phased lifting of sanctions in exchange for a break with China and the withdrawal of troops from Ukraine to the 1991 borders in all seriousness
    1. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 12 February 2024 22: 30
      +3
      And we have nothing tempting to offer America at all. Same dead end.
  16. sodium20 Offline sodium20
    sodium20 13 February 2024 08: 19
    0
    Trump is our trump card in US, Russia must persuade Mr. Trump to:

    a) Dismantle NATO.
    b) Soften anti-China stand.
    c) Creating the Patestenian state.
    d) Systematically dismantle zionist Israel.
    e) Withdrawing US troops from Middle-east, Turkey, Japan, S. Korea, Germany, Netherlands, Baltic states and Russian neighbors etc.
    f) Systematically dismantle zionist deep-state in US.
    1. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 15 February 2024 17: 20
      0
      A state is the most crucial moment for Palestinians. There are many religious reasons for this. After all, the Palestinians are the most likely heirs of the ancient Jews, who were deprived of their inheritance by our creator.
      PS The Zionists are weak-minded, provoked by the British.
  17. mik5966 Offline mik5966
    mik5966 (Mikharl) 13 February 2024 12: 47
    +2
    Trump's price for Ukraine could be Russia's anti-Chinese turn

    Can not. It will not happen. China is a neighbor, but who are the states? A stolen printer with a policy based on meanness.

    But is it worth following their lead, changing the war for the liberation of Ukraine with the NATO bloc to an absolutely hopeless and senseless one against a one and a half billion nuclear China...?

    Not worth it. The European Union is a low-fat goner from the states. The only danger is that the people will start to scatter, and we have long borders with the EU. The most desperate ones will climb in. Not now, but over time.
  18. Antor Offline Antor
    Antor 13 February 2024 15: 19
    +2
    The USA is thousands of kilometers away from us, and China is a neighbor and someone thinks that the Anglo-Saxons will protect us..!!! ??? Unfortunately, they dream and see in order to pit us against China in the image and likeness of the Ukrainian scenario. The Englishwoman is crap - it wasn’t born out of the blue, they are our age-old enemies by their own will and the hatred that they feel towards us.
    1. imjarek Offline imjarek
      imjarek (imjarek) 13 February 2024 15: 59
      -4
      Conclusion: we need to end the foolishness, Putin is right! Just DESTROY all traitors of the Slavic world! Every single one of them, just like those who sympathize with them. And the Lord, up there, will figure out where the “brothers” are and where the “non-brothers” are!
      1. isofat Online isofat
        isofat (isofat) 15 February 2024 17: 29
        0
        imjarek, apparently you want to make money on reparations? laughing
        1. imjarek Offline imjarek
          imjarek (imjarek) 16 February 2024 02: 01
          0
          You can keep the reparations for yourself. The hussars do not take money. The enemy must lie in the ground. And the traitor must burn in hell!
          1. isofat Online isofat
            isofat (isofat) 16 February 2024 13: 21
            0
            imjarek, I am not a supporter of looking for traitors among the Slavs. I'm looking for those who offer this. smile
  19. GN Offline GN
    GN (GN) 13 February 2024 16: 16
    +1
    There are no friends in big politics, there are priorities of the state and the people, and the person who represents the country must think about its interests. The president stated this in an interview with the program “Moscow. Kremlin. Putin” on the TV channel “Russia 1” (VGTRK). Putin has already answered the question. Today China is a fellow traveler with its own interests and its own policies.
  20. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 13 February 2024 16: 30
    0
    The property, assets, and interests of the “elite” of the Russian Federation are in the West, not in the PRC. The question is not about the US President personally, but about who will give this “elite” of the Russian Federation the opportunity to return to the “holy times”. When putting a choice before the “elite” of the Russian Federation, we return to the “holy times” and you are pursuing an anti-Chinese policy. The authorities and capitalists of the Russian Federation will make a choice to the West. Politics and trade between the US and China will not change.
  21. Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 14 February 2024 07: 07
    +2
    living in illusions and jumping on rakes, apparently, these are new pastimes for the Russian population...

    and yes, I’m not talking about the article, but about the commentators...

    we are with China, we-we...

    China needs you as a supplier of cheap resources and a market for products... in past times, this type of coexistence was called colonial... oil in exchange for beads...

    second, the so-called Russian Ylita, she is pro-Western, not pro-Chinese...she betrayed and destroyed the USSR to please her interests...and here she will act directly in the interests of the country and the people...well, well...in their hands there were HUGE resources, almost 300 million people, and all this was destroyed for the sake of trying to settle their children and granddaughters in Paris and London...

    after all, HIMSELF said this the other day...or again, no one listened to this interview and believed that it was supposedly for the West, but there he simply amazed everyone and “outplayed” for the millionth time...

    yeah, letters from Bogdan Khmelnitsky... well, how could they live without these letters...

    in the interview the proposal is clearly visible: let's make peace...

    but again you prefer not to notice the obvious... you don’t feel sorry for yourself, at least feel sorry for your children... after you, they will have to rake in the fruits of these “friendships” for decades... if, of course, there is anything left in the form of a state on these lands after such idiots
    1. Flight Offline Flight
      Flight (Von) 15 February 2024 03: 48
      0
      we are with China, we-we...
      ... but you again prefer not to notice the obvious... you don’t feel sorry for yourself, at least feel sorry for your children... after you, they will rake in the fruits of these “friendships” for decades... if, of course, there is anything at all in the form of a state on these lands will remain after such idiots

      But I really want... I really want to return Mercedes and Bentleys instead of, mmmm... There are no Chinese analogues... Maybe they say that so as not to jinx it?

      https://youtu.be/ICpX_8OG25E?si=HcM0sEeEziemaMaR
  22. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 15 February 2024 14: 56
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    ... Russia's anti-Chinese turn

    - these are the wet dreams of corrupt Russian liberals...

    Paying Trump for Ukraine

    - and also pay for yours?! Americans are great masters at such frauds.
  23. horseradish Offline horseradish
    horseradish 15 February 2024 16: 51
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    You invented this problem yourself, figure it out yourself.
  24. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 15 February 2024 22: 56
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    Russia does not have to pay any price. Unlike the West, Russia can continue the NWO for another year or two (if it brings the loss ratio to more than 1 to 10, and this is possible). Now the world is not looking at the front in Ukraine; absolutely nothing depends on it. It is already clear to everyone that Russia will not lose in a military conflict. That she can win quickly if necessary. Everyone understands that SVO is not completed, because... The confrontation on a global scale has not yet brought all the clarity that is needed for the West to make decisions.

    For the completion of the SVO, the economy is important, the economy of the West, the economy of China, the economies of all other countries. Will the EU be able to find a way out of the economic impasse and develop a strategy for existence and development in the conditions of the Cold War? What will happen in the USA? What will happen to the USA? What will happen to the energy market? What will happen to the financial market? Global trade flows, crises.

    These issues are being resolved right now and the outcome of the SVO depends only on them. The West is in a difficult situation, but is still trying to fight. If the West capitulates to Russia, it will change the world. Hitting China will no longer be possible. The US will lose the EU as a vassal. The elimination of Russia as a global player (the primary goal of the Ukrainian conflict) was a prerequisite for maintaining Western hegemony and for attacking China.

    All these issues have not yet been resolved, but we have come to the point where things are really getting worse for the West. Very bad. Continuing in the same spirit is already dangerous for health. Therefore, now there is a kind of bargaining going on. Or rather, the West slowed down support for Kyiv in the hope of freezing the North Military District. But Russia politely asked to go *** and sincerely recommends simply capitulating before things get worse. The West thinks sho delat. This is where we are now. The military conflict itself will depend on these decisions of the West. Either continue to stall for time or the end of Ukraine. For Ukraine, the end is already inevitable, it’s just that the West has not yet decided when it will come.
  25. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 16 February 2024 02: 03
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    No one in Russia is now declaring or thinking about Russia’s anti-Chinese turn. This deal under Putin and Xi Ji Ping is not real.
    1. Flight Offline Flight
      Flight (Von) 16 February 2024 03: 45
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      And at this time, the construction and opening of an automobile crossing is being prepared on Bolshoy Ussuriysky. So no matter how you turn, they will calmly come to us and.... stay. We have a shortage of labor resources, and they will quickly close this issue for themselves. Thanks to Putin for surrendering the island.
  26. pavel spb Offline pavel spb
    pavel spb (Pavel Tipin) 16 February 2024 08: 05
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    Dividing countries into enemies and strangers is meaningless. Wars start for economic reasons. If a giant country experiences "negative economic growth", the temptation to remedy the situation by military means is very high, and friends may become enemies.
  27. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 February 2024 11: 51
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    After the Americans destroyed the USSR and killed so many people in Russia, they will not have faith for a long time. These are not captured Germans, ready to take advantage of the Anglo-Saxons in 1945 and go against the USSR again. And all contracts with the American Printing House are useless. They will definitely quit.
  28. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (Von) 16 February 2024 15: 10
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    Quote: Bulanov
    After the Americans destroyed the USSR and killed so many people in Russia, they will not have faith for a long time. These are not captured Germans, ready to take advantage of the Anglo-Saxons in 1945 and go against the USSR again. And all contracts with the American Printing House are useless. They will definitely quit.

    It remains to find out how they ended up surrounded by Gorbachev, Yeltsin and others like them...