How can we replace the scarce A-50U and Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft?

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The rapid rise in popularity of the Turkish Bayraktar reconnaissance and strike UAVs and its subsequent fall in Ukraine have called into question whether relatively slow-moving, but at the same time rather large-sized aircraft-type drones, which are a simple target, are even needed in the realities of modern warfare.

Like us installed earlier using the Bayraktars as an example, yes, they are needed. In Ukraine, our enemy still uses Turkish drones, but not as attack drones, but as reconnaissance ones.



keen eye


Medium-altitude Turkish-made UAVs patrol at a safe distance from the LBS and monitor the situation on the battlefield and in the Russian rear, bringing the Ukrainian Armed Forces much more benefit with intelligence data and assistance in target designation of long-range artillery than if they themselves tried to attack our armored vehicles with anti-tank missiles that have a combat radius of more than 8 km.

It is with regret that we have to state that in this component the NATO bloc has significant military power over Russia.technical advantage. The United States, as a “workhorse” for conducting aerial reconnaissance along our border and the Northwestern Military District, uses strategic high-altitude long-range UAVs of the HALE (High Altitude Long Endurance) class, the most prominent representatives of which include the RQ-4 Global Hawk and its naval version MQ-4C Triton.

The maximum flight altitude of the Global Hawk UAV is about 20 kilometers, the maximum speed is 644 kilometers per hour, and the maximum flight duration is 36 hours. The American drone is equipped with an optical location station with day, night and thermal imaging channels. Its radar allows 138 hours to obtain images of an area of ​​200 thousand square kilometers from a distance of 1 kilometers with a resolution of 0,3 square meter. If necessary, an image with a resolution of 200 square meters can be obtained in spot mode. It is believed that the Global Hawk, patrolling along the Russian border, is capable of seeing in depth at a distance of up to 300-400 km. True, there are seemingly reliable guesses that the real range of its radar can reach 500-XNUMX km.

Its naval version, the MQ-4C Triton, is capable of patrolling at an altitude of up to 17 kilometers at speeds of up to 610 kilometers per hour for 30 hours. The all-round radar with AFAR allows the American reconnaissance drone to scan 5200 square kilometers per flight. The MQ-4C Triton UAV is also equipped with an electronic reconnaissance (ER) system, which allows it to evade enemy radar detection.

A significant disadvantage of UAVs of this family is their high cost. However, for this money the Pentagon gets its “watchful eye”, placed on the “distant arm”. The RQ-4 Global Hawk was repeatedly used by the Americans for reconnaissance and providing target designation data to the Ukrainian Armed Forces for striking Russia, which was conducting air defense against the Ukrainian Nazis. The great advantage of UAVs is that their use does not pose a risk to the lives of pilots, as would be the case with AWACS aircraft.

Down the drain


As noted above, in the aerial reconnaissance component we are very much inferior in capabilities to the North Atlantic Alliance, which, alas, negatively affects the effectiveness of combat operations in Ukraine.

Domestic analogues of the American AWACS are the Soviet-made A-50/A-50U aircraft and the promising A-100 Premier. The problem is that the modern Russian Premier has not yet entered mass production and is unlikely to become truly widespread due to its high cost and complexity. Rostec has to modernize the few old A-50s, which are very effectively used in Ukraine to hunt enemy aircraft in conjunction with long-range S-400 air defense systems.

We also have Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft, built on the basis of civilian Il-18s and equipped with side-view radar. The problem, as with the A-50, is the limited number and their venerable age. To replace the old Soviet Il-20, a completely modern reconnaissance aircraft for electronic and optical-electronic reconnaissance, the Tu-214R, was developed, of which two were produced, and a contract was signed for the construction of a third by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

In addition, one Il-20 was lost in 2018 in Syria as a result of a provocative maneuver by an Israeli pilot, who exposed him to local air defense. On June 24, 2023, another valuable reconnaissance aircraft was shot down by “friendly fire” from a well-known PMC during the so-called Justice March on Moscow.

This is what is available, which the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces can realistically count on when conducting a military military operation in Ukraine. It is obvious that the few Russian reconnaissance aircraft are a priority target for the Ukrainian and NATO generals behind them. Due to their large size and relatively low speed, the A-50/A-50U and Il-20 are a convenient target for enemy fighter aircraft using foreign air-to-air missiles, and even for long-range American air defense systems capable of sitting in ambush and being activated at the last moment, aiming using external target designation data.

A partial solution to the problem of the acute shortage of specialized reconnaissance aircraft is the installation of suspended containers with the Sych radar on modern jet bombers and fighter-bombers, as well as the active use high-altitude and medium-altitude reconnaissance UAVs. The latter should be discussed in more detail separately.
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  1. +2
    15 January 2024 13: 03
    It looks like it will have to be replaced faster than planned. If true, what Peskov remained silent about. Two at once - this is very serious. Very very. And over our inland sea. It's some kind of nonsense. We don't have dozens of them.
    1. +2
      16 January 2024 14: 59
      This is not nonsense. You should be shot for this in wartime
  2. +5
    15 January 2024 13: 07
    Early information is crucial in war. How is Russia going to resist NATO in the upcoming big war without seeing the enemy?
    1. 0
      16 January 2024 08: 42
      Minsk 3. Everything has already been invented.
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  4. +1
    15 January 2024 13: 15
    Press Secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov said that the Kremlin has no information that the Ukrainian Armed Forces allegedly shot down the A-50 and Il-22 aircraft of the Russian Armed Forces.
    On the evening of January 14, Ukrainian media reported the defeat of an A-50 AWACS aircraft over the Sea of ​​Azov, as well as damage to an Il-22 aircraft in the same area, after which the plane was forced to make an emergency landing. No evidence was provided for these claims.

    But there is information about purchasing power parity. Russia's power will increase through purchasing power parity.
  5. +4
    15 January 2024 14: 00
    Not long ago, the United States shot down a Chinese balloon over its territory on the grounds that it could carry reconnaissance equipment. I think that the United States, if it considers that one or another space satellite carrying out a reconnaissance function over its territory poses a danger to its national interests, such a satellite will be immediately destroyed, even though this will be contrary to international law. They will do the same with any reconnaissance aircraft in international airspace, then apologize, like Israel. The West will not agree to conclude new agreements, which means it is necessary to make a unilateral statement indicating the reasons for the use of weapons when using reconnaissance assets in favor of third countries.
    1. +11
      15 January 2024 14: 40
      We must not figure out how to respond and not “moan” that we don’t have something, but simply do what is an axiom of war. And this, first of all, is the complete isolation of the combat zone. When our leadership realizes that such a zone is primarily the arms supply routes, we may see massive attacks on transport routes, stopping the supply of fuel and ammunition. And without such supplies, the Ukrovermacht’s capabilities will be far from what they are now.
  6. -7
    15 January 2024 15: 13
    While everyone is thinking about what can replace the Il-20 and A 50u, while our soldiers are dying, drunk or high, Volochkova and Dzhigurda put on a show of their debauchery...

    1. -2
      15 January 2024 16: 16
      This is how these freaks were shown a couple of years ago in another video.

      on the one hand, Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyaev, and on the other, Pryanishnikov represents...
      1. -1
        15 January 2024 16: 37
        land of opportunity.
      2. 0
        15 January 2024 16: 38
        By the way, Anastasia supports the SVO.

        March 2 2023
        Rossiyskaya Gazeta
        Russian dancer and actress Anastasia Volochkova said that from the beginning of the special operation and throughout this year she invites the families of the victims, the families of the mobilized and children from the DPR, LPR, Mariupol and Lisichansk to her performances - and for free


        So there is no need to make waves against Russian patriots..
    2. +8
      15 January 2024 16: 46
      Believe me, the reason that we have few A-50s and IL-20s is not at all in Dzhigurda and Volochkova. The culprits have completely different surnames. And we all know who we're talking about
      1. -3
        15 January 2024 17: 09
        and if there were a lot...would the Tajiks take the helm?
        1. 0
          17 January 2024 11: 26
          What’s the problem with Tajiks at the helm? Or should you refresh your memory that just recently a Tajik helicopter pilot died heroically at the hands of a Russian traitor
          1. 0
            19 January 2024 23: 14
            Sorry, I'm not talking about heroes. I’m talking about migrants (the problem is comparable to the war with NATO (as they say).
            but I was in a hurry. I would have already written - Kenyans.
    3. -1
      17 January 2024 06: 55
      While everyone is thinking about what can replace the Il-20 and A 50u, while our soldiers are dying, drunk or high, Volochkova and Dzhigurda put on a show of their debauchery...

      In ancient times, actors were considered on a par with persons of “reduced social responsibility.” Now they are the color and smell of our elite.
  7. DO
    +1
    15 January 2024 16: 10
    The United States, as a “workhorse” for conducting aerial reconnaissance along our border and the Northwestern Military District, uses strategic high-altitude long-range UAVs of the HALE (High Altitude Long Endurance) class, the most prominent representatives of which include the RQ-4 Global Hawk and its naval version MQ-4C Triton.

    The Globalhawk, which has an on-board long-range reconnaissance radar, has dimensions comparable to a fighter, a speed comparable to the A-50 and Il-22, and is just as clumsy. That is, the Globalhawk is no less vulnerable to long-range missiles than the A-50 and Il-22. The only effective defense of the Globalhawk from air defense, like the A-50 and Il-22, is political.
    A significant advantage of the Globalhawk over the A-50 and Il-22 is the lack of a crew.

    A partial solution to the problem of the acute shortage of specialized reconnaissance aircraft is the installation of suspended containers with the Sych radar on modern jet bombers and fighter-bombers.

    https://rg.ru/2020/02/19/smi-minoborony-rf-zakazhet-neobychnye-su-34.html from 19.02.2020:

    The Russian Ministry of Defense plans to sign a contract with PJSC Sukhoi Company for the supply several dozen Su-34 front-line bombers with the latest electronic equipment. The conclusion of the agreement is expected in the summer.
    We are talking about several dozen aircraft, whose combat capabilities have been expanded due to the equipment created as part of the Sych development work,” a source in the defense-industrial complex told TASS. He added that completed in 2019 R&D involves the installation of overhead electronic reconnaissance containers on the aircraft...
    Earlier, photos of “Sych” appeared on the Internet. This is a large container, 5 meters long and 1 meter wide, which, due to its weight and dimensions, is suspended from the central pylon under the bomber’s fuselage. In addition, for proper operation, the Sych must be located below the power plant. On the sides of the container there are two rectangular panels - presumably these are side-view radar antennas.

    They write here that the Su-34 with the Sych hanging container is already used in the Northern Military District
    https://topwar.ru/199782-universalnye-kontejnery-razvedki-sych-v-specoperacii.html от 2 августа 2022.

    Today 2024 year. And where are the dozens of Su-34s with Sych suspended containers, working, among other things, in the interests of the Black Sea Fleet?
  8. 0
    15 January 2024 17: 01
    This is all from empty to empty.
    There are many things you can replace. From hot air balloons to regular airplanes with an external module.
    So what?
    Maybe they replace it, maybe they don’t, but everything is secret.
  9. -3
    15 January 2024 17: 09
    It would be stupid to replace these planes with some UAVs. No UAV will be able to carry heavy equipment for long-range reconnaissance. To give target instructions. they will have to approach 200 km to the front line. Yes, even 400 km is the range of destruction by an air defense missile. Thanks to the installation of powerful equipment on an aircraft, which accordingly weighs many tons, it is possible to conduct reconnaissance and provide target designation at a distance of 500-600 km.
  10. 0
    15 January 2024 17: 13
    The Russians won't need to replace them as fast.................IF they'd quit shooting them down! How do you "accidentally" shoot down 2 planes that actually control your SAMs? Such ineptitude needs to be examined!
  11. +1
    15 January 2024 17: 18
    Drlo aircraft and reconnaissance drones perform completely different functions. For example, Hawk does not provide target acquisition for fighter jets. Both are needed.
  12. 0
    15 January 2024 18: 08
    Shoigu is not Zhukov.
    Putin is not Stalin.
    There is no need to continue further and everything is clear.
  13. +1
    15 January 2024 19: 26
    Human brains cannot be replaced. You can only replace a person. Therefore, discussions about finding a replacement for the A-50, Il-20, etc. are a conversation about nothing. The development of the A-100 has been going on since 2000, now the year is 2024 and, in the best case, according to officials’ promises, it will appear in the army in 2030.
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    +3
    16 January 2024 01: 04
    old “Soviet galoshes” can be replaced with North Korean high-tech “galoshes”, if the pride of the Kremlin multi-billionaires allows, they themselves can’t do anything except export resources, but their show-offs are enough for thousands of Euns

    1. -1
      16 January 2024 13: 03
      Even if we are significantly behind in this direction, this does not mean at all that we do not need to actively engage in this and make efforts to level out this backlog, it just requires appropriate solutions and means for their implementation, I am sure that our scientific and industrial bases are quite capable of successfully solve this problem.
  16. 0
    16 January 2024 06: 24
    The navy is moored during the fighting.
    It looks like the Air Force will land it, out of harm's way. Infantrymen can handle drones too. But when they call you to the parade, then yes! They will proudly emerge from the bay and take off from the airfields.
  17. +2
    16 January 2024 08: 32
    Judging by the “efficiency” of the “friend or foe” systems, it is indeed time to switch to unmanned means. Yes, here's where to get them.
  18. +2
    16 January 2024 11: 39
    Why an article if it does not cover the topic of combat airships?
    1. +2
      16 January 2024 11: 58
      Tell us what you mean “the topic of combat airships is not disclosed.” What is a combat airship?
    2. 0
      22 January 2024 07: 18
      Kirov reporting!
  19. 0
    16 January 2024 12: 44
    There is nothing special to cover. We are lagging behind in large reconnaissance drones. The Tu-214 could be a good platform, but so far it is very modest. The A-100 costs 20-30 billion, and it hasn’t been completed yet. They will build about 5-6 years in 10.
    There is only one thing left: it is significant to shoot down an American global hawk, then cynically apologize and declare that perhaps other apologies will follow. It is possible to shoot down a manned aircraft by accident.
    1. -1
      16 January 2024 14: 49
      The labor intensity of production of the A-50 compared to the Il-76MD was 6-7 times greater. The price of the aircraft at the beginning of the 1990s. was 250-270 million dollars, which was 10 times more expensive than the production of the basic transport model Il-76, and in general it was more expensive than the construction of one Tu-160 or An-124.
      After the collapse of the USSR, the retrofitting and modernization of these aircraft was carried out at the Beriev TANTK. As a result, the unit cost reached $330 million.


      About 30 billion rubles A-50...and taking into account the inflation of a dollar for 30 years or more, most likely... A hundred will be more expensive - especially now, when everything has become so expensive due to sanctions.
    2. -1
      16 January 2024 14: 56
      I'm afraid this manual is not capable of this.
    3. 0
      16 January 2024 22: 10
      Quote: Glagol1
      They will build about 5-6 years in 10.

      5-6 in 10 years? Are you kidding me?)))
      This money needs to be allocated for 10-15, because the hundred thousand allocated “is not enough.” In 20 years, taking into account that it still needs to be improved. By then it will be outdated.
  20. -2
    16 January 2024 14: 36
    Auto RU:
    Since when did the A50u become a reconnaissance vehicle? AWACS? No?
  21. -2
    16 January 2024 14: 53
    If only our boastful journalists would talk less about the benefits and advantages of such aircraft. No! Everyone needs something to brag about. There have already been so many hints from sensible people - there is something advantage at the front, use it silently and don’t talk. It was necessary to bring up the topic of these planes louder. People in the know said, now expect a hunt for this technique.
  22. -2
    16 January 2024 14: 55
    Nothing if you allow the enemy to shoot them down over the Sea of ​​Azov
  23. +1
    16 January 2024 15: 25
    How can we replace the scarce A-50U and Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft?

    Yachts!
    Our leader alone has six of them!
  24. -1
    16 January 2024 18: 28
    How can we replace the scarce A-50U and Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft?

    - steal the production technology of the RQ-4 Global Hawk and MQ-4C Trito, and build at least 50 of each in a year!!!
    1. 0
      16 January 2024 22: 13
      Quote from Elena123
      How can we replace the scarce A-50U and Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft?

      - steal the production technology of the RQ-4 Global Hawk and MQ-4C Trito, and build at least 50 of each in a year!!!

      Drive to Alpha Centauri and steal the death star from the locals!
    2. -1
      17 January 2024 21: 50
      Are you haunted by the laurels of our tsap-scratchy?
  25. 0
    16 January 2024 19: 56
    Nothing. And period.
  26. +4
    16 January 2024 21: 30
    Press the USA - either you give us a dozen reconnaissance aircraft, or we will put Peskov in prison!
  27. -1
    19 January 2024 17: 22
    It is necessary to build electronics from scratch, to develop (again from scratch) “mushroom-free” AWACS. What flies now was developed 40 years ago and is irrevocably outdated. Well, we need fresh carrier aircraft. Like MS21, not 40-year-old Il76
  28. -1
    19 January 2024 17: 24
    Quote: vlad127490
    Human brains cannot be replaced. You can only replace a person. Therefore, discussions about finding a replacement for the A-50, Il-20, etc. are a conversation about nothing. The development of the A-100 has been going on since 2000, now the year is 2024 and, in the best case, according to officials’ promises, it will appear in the army in 2030.

    The plate needs to be removed. And the A100 is just a modification of the A50
    1. 0
      20 January 2024 13: 38
      If you write about the “plate”, it means you have the appropriate competencies and understand what r/e components made the A-100 stand up tightly. In the Russian Federation there is no radio-electronic industry, a TV cannot be assembled, and there is no talk of a smartphone. Maybe they will do something at the level of 350-90 nm, just a few. In the Russian Federation, the production of bearings has fallen 1990 times compared to the RSFSR in 20, and without bearings nothing spins. Repeating the A-50 will be an achievement.
  29. -1
    20 January 2024 01: 47
    Isn’t it destined to build from the heels of airships? But what am I talking about? Cheap and cheap cut
    1. -1
      20 January 2024 13: 54
      For those who haven't read it.
      There are very few carriers of AWACS in the Russian Federation, they must be protected. Since the doctrine of the Russian Federation is defense, i.e. the carrier is not on enemy territory, then the most effective and cheapest carrier of AWACS is an airship.
      Installing AWACS on a stationary stratospheric unmanned airship is several times cheaper than an airplane and a satellite. Airship with a payload of 60-100 tons. Useful weight: this is 25 tons of equipment, plus motors, batteries, solar panels, diesel. fuel, generators, antennas, transmitters, receivers, etc. A set of antennas covering a range from meters to millimeters is installed. Scanning, both mechanical and phase passive, active antenna array, plus optical and thermal radars. Operating altitude above 20 km. The airship can operate either stationary on a cable cable (the height is limited by the performance characteristics of the cable cable) or in free flight. In free flight it can rise to a height of 35-40 km. Continuous operation time at height, 6-12 months (lowered and serviced). The airship is launched to a given point and maintains the given coordinates with electric motors. In the stationary version, the airship is connected to the ground by a cable cable. Via a cable cable (two cores: optical fiber and 2 copper wires for 10 kV), power is supplied to the airship, control is carried out, information is retrieved, etc. On the ground there is a diesel generator, a winch, a control service, receiving and processing information. The cable rope is not load-bearing, it only supports itself (estimated weight of the cable rope is 6 tons). In free flight, power comes from a generator and solar panels. At an altitude of 20 (35) km, the optical visible horizon is 535 (709) km, direct radio visibility is 1000 km. Such an airship - AWACS plus optical and thermal detection, allows you to detect and track any flying object, even an ultra-small drone, an inflated balloon, a bird, and also ground objects. The AWACS on the airship will make it possible to close the holes that the Russian air defense has today. The weather doesn't affect it. It is unlikely to be shot down at such a height, because... he is on his own territory. The airship can have air-to-air missiles on board. All the information is on the Internet.
      1. -1
        20 January 2024 15: 58
        How long does it take to relocate this installation? Along with cables, generators, etc., etc.?
        1. -1
          20 January 2024 19: 13
          An AWACS stratospheric unmanned airship can operate in two modes: 1. As a stationary one with communication and power from the ground via cable; 2. In a free form (like an airplane). I unfastened the cable-rope and flew freely, switching to on-board power occurs instantly, turning off the power from the ground and resetting the cable-rope takes a few minutes. You may be wondering what will happen if you drop a cable from a height of 20 km. Answer. Nothing will happen, there is a braking parachute at the end. This is an urgent mode; in quiet mode, the airship is lowered and the cable is retracted. Israel has been using AWACS and tethered balloons for about 20 years, they have all the technology worked out. The question is how long does it take to wind up and lay the cable rope, approximately 6 hours, move the trailers to the transportable position, etc. I think everything will take 24 hours. Many countries are interested in the issue of using AWACS in the stratosphere. Probes, balloons, drones, etc.
          1. -1
            21 January 2024 03: 01
            What size is the parking and maintenance hangar?
            It might be easier to adapt a stratospheric glider with solar-powered generation.
            1. -1
              21 January 2024 17: 02
              There is a lot of information on the Internet. The Americans have already made and raised a stratospheric glider. It turned out to be flimsy, the power supply was weak, and the radar did not work at night. What is good about the airship is that you can load 100 tons on it. In terms of balloons and airships, there is nothing new, everyone is improving. How many kW/kg can you get from the solar panels on the glider and how much your consumption can you calculate yourself.
              1. -1
                22 January 2024 00: 45
                In addition to solar panels, install power supply using chemical elements. The advantage of a stratospheric glider is mobility, compactness, and the ability to create a network following the Starlink example.
                1. -1
                  22 January 2024 12: 04
                  If everything was simple, like yours, the Americans would have done it long ago. At altitudes of 30 km, you need a very large wing area or a speed of 3-5 thousand km/h. To power a radio electric unit weighing 20 tons, you need 100 kW, with which you will lift such a weight, where will you get the kW. The USA has everything: AWACS aircraft, drones, ships, satellites, they have an attack concept. The doctrine of the Russian Federation is defense, i.e. the carrier is on its own or neutral territory. The territorial space at an altitude of 100 km, everything below 100 km is knocked down. Where will your glider fly? The starlink network is effective on satellites or towers on the ground. First, you need to decide on the goal, and only then raise technical issues of implementation.
                  1. 0
                    23 January 2024 01: 01
                    So, the airship will solve all problems? And you don’t have to worry about drones, ships, satellites - launch the airship and voila! How are you going to win? Without the concept of attack?