Our everything: “Pantsir-SM” and “Derivation-PVO” as the main hope against drones

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The air defense system in Ukraine clearly demonstrated how important it is to have effective aerospace reconnaissance assets for continuous monitoring of what is happening on the battlefield and deep behind enemy lines, as well as long-range, high-precision weapons. This allows you to see all the movements of troops and carry out preventive strikes on their concentration areas. Does this mean that we can now forget about large-scale offensives?

Armed Forces of Ukraine VS Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


Yes and no. Starting in the summer of 2023, the Russian army managed to stop the formation of powerful strike fists of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in strategic directions and force the enemy to switch to actions in small groups, the so-called spread fingers. The effectiveness of such tactics turned out to be low, losses in manpower and technology - huge. But isn’t a similar outcome expected for the Russian Armed Forces if they receive an order to launch a large-scale offensive?



Frankly speaking, our army is not yet quite ready to carry out such tasks if we want to prevent losses from going beyond all permissible limits. It is necessary first to saturate the front not only with Chinese civilian quadcopters, but also with serious military aircraft-type drones that will be able to conduct reconnaissance to great depths and at the same time carry out air strikes. We need long-range self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV" in commercial quantities so that our military can confidently kill the Ukrainian Armed Forces in counter-battery combat.

It is necessary to equip all armored vehicles with secure communication means to coordinate the interaction of tanks with infantry, at least ersatz type “Sotnik-BL” and “Poltinnik”. It is necessary to ensure the dominance of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the sky, and to protect our own troops with reliable air defense from attacks from enemy ballistic and cruise missiles, long-range MLRS and kamikaze drones. I would like to talk in more detail about the last component.

Ukrainian UAVs


Ukraine’s huge advantage over Russia is that it is backed not only by the NATO bloc, but also by a broad international coalition of more than fifty US vassal countries. This allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to both receive ready-made NATO-style weapons and rivet their own ersatz weapons using imported components.

Thus, it was the Ukrainian army that was the first to widely use conventional Chinese-made civilian multicopters at the front, turning them into attack drones. Soon after the Russian Armed Forces began using the Geranium, the enemy acquired its own functional analogues of these “kamikaze” drones of various types.

To strike stationary positions of Russian troops, the Ukrainian Armed Forces now use Backfire drones, which drop dozens of grenade launcher ammunition at a time. Resistance to electronic warfare systems is ensured by the fact that sorties and bombing are carried out at pre-entered coordinates. One Backfire complex, used by the Angry Birds Armed Forces unit, includes a launcher, three aircraft-type mini-drones and a ground control station.

The most dangerous seems to be the Ukrainian analogue of the Russian “Lancet”, which is called “Perun”. The enemy appreciated the advantages of the domestic “kamikaze” drone and decided to create a copy of it, as stated by Deputy Prime Minister, Minister for Innovation, Development of Education, Science and Technology of Nezalezhnaya Mikhail Fedorov back in August 2023:

I can't tell you all the details, but in fact there are manufacturers who have created such a product. We are scaling it. We have a clear understanding of how many of our own Lancet-type drones we will have.

The beginning of the massive use of such loitering ammunition by the Armed Forces of Ukraine could very seriously increase losses in Russian armored vehicles and artillery. The Russian Armed Forces require effective protection from attack drones of all types, not only for a hypothetical offensive, but also for defense.

Anti-drone air defense


The main problem of modern air defense systems is that they were created to stop a different kind of air threat than small, low-speed UAVs flying at low altitude.

For the first time, the Russian army had to seriously face the problem of attack drones in Syria, where our Khmeimim airbase was regularly attacked by drones of various terrorist groups. Two years of the most difficult war on the territory of Ukraine have shown exactly what kind of air defense systems are needed against drones. And something already exists.

First of all, this is the Pantsir-SM air defense missile system, which has undergone serious modernization compared to those used in Syria and Libya. Costs quote Telegram channel “Russian Weapons”, which describes the updated performance characteristics of the anti-aircraft complex:

The complex received a more noise-resistant and high-energy radar detector based on an active phased array with microwave transistors based on gallium arsenide, capable of detecting targets with an image intensifier of 3 kV. m at a distance of up to 80 km and with an image intensifier of 0,07 sq. m (corresponds to GMLRS missiles) at a distance of 27 - 30 km. The 1RS3 guidance radar from TsKBA based on a pass-through AFAR has a similar potential with the ability to capture targets with an image intensifier of 0,07 sq. m at a distance of 20 km. The target channel using a radar circuit is at least 3 targets, and an optical-electronic circuit is 1 target. In total, the target channel reaches 4 simultaneously intercepted targets.

The Pantsir-SM air defense missile system is equipped with ammunition, represented not only by high-speed 57E6E bi-caliber missiles, the range of which has been increased, but also by small-sized, highly maneuverable interceptor missiles, which provide effective interception of maneuvering drones with an ESR of about 0,007 square meters. m, Brimstone-2 tactical missiles and other elements of precision weapons without the use of longer-range 57E6 missiles.

After equipping six of the twelve transport and launch containers of the combat vehicle of the anti-aircraft complex with quadruple modules of the 19Ya6 missile defense system, its total ammunition load will be 30 interceptor missiles, which will ensure a noticeable reduction in the intensity of ammunition depletion in the course of repelling a massive enemy missile strike or an attack by kamikaze drones. It is reported that the Pantsir-SM can be supplied complete with the Pantsir-SM-TBM, which is a lightweight version of the basic model, which lacks detection radars and automatic guns, but has an increased ammunition load of missiles.

It is also important that to provide cover for the Ground Forces, a version of the Pantsir-SM-SV air defense missile system on a tracked chassis was developed, which was discussed the day before сообщили to the TASS agency in the Rostec state corporation:

Instrument Design Bureau named after. Academician A.G. Shipunov is currently completing tests of the Pantsir-SM-SV air defense missile system as part of development work. The inspections showed that the complex complies with the requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The Pantsir-SM-SV tests are coming to an end. The armament is installed on a new tracked chassis. This allows the air defense missile system to accompany and cover infantry and air defense systems while marching through snow and off-road.

Thus, the Pantsir, modernized taking into account the experience of the SVO, will be able to provide more reliable protection for the Russian Armed Forces in the Ukrainian steppes. In addition to it, the anti-aircraft complex “Derivation-Air Defense”, which we recently discussed, will be able to strengthen short-range air defense told in the context of the capabilities of the BMP-3 platform.

The destruction range of a 57 mm cannon is 6 km, the destruction height is up to 4,5 km, and the rate of fire is 120 rounds per minute. The maximum speed of affected objects is 1 m/s. The optical-electronic system for detecting and aiming a combat vehicle allows for panoramic observation of the terrain at 500º, as well as a sector view. “Derivation-PVO” is designed to combat aircraft and cruise missiles, airplanes, helicopters, drones, as well as single MLRS projectiles; it can be used against ground and surface lightly armored targets.

In the middle of last December, this mobile anti-aircraft gun was, it seems, seen not only at the Parade, but also in a real battle in the Kherson direction, firing at air targets. Saturating the front with similar air defense systems based on the BMP-3 will reduce the severity of the problem from Ukrainian UAVs and other aircraft.
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  1. +5
    4 January 2024 13: 07
    To reinterpret the saying: Rely on air defense and don’t make a mistake yourself. Armored vehicles and other equipment on the LBS must be camouflaged and protected from observation and UAV strikes using standard means. This is possible in the form of prefabricated shelters, similar to prefabricated “garages,” for example, from quickly connected shields made of tin, plastic with camouflage properties, using filling shelters or placing empty ones as bait. It is better to use different means than to lose expensive weapons - tanks, self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles, artillery...
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  5. -2
    5 January 2024 10: 43
    Somehow the question is posed in a dead end

    "Pantsir-SM" and "Derivation-PVO" as the main hope.

    And if there is no “Shell” and “Derivation” or not enough, then what - there is no hope?!
    For every poison there is or should be its own antidote.
    For each disease, its own treatment methods and medicines are developed.
    If they exist and are effective, then they need to be produced in sufficient quantities.
    If they are not there, then they need to be developed and produced.
    After all, tactical nuclear weapons are a great cure for the headaches caused by enemy drones. To apply it, it is enough to finish the “games” in the Northern Military District and declare a war of destruction on the terrorist Bandera regime.
    Or will we continue to feel sorry for them and persuade them?!
    1. 0
      8 January 2024 19: 05
      There is no justification for war using fascist methods. Russians are not fascists, so no nuclear bombs.
  6. DO
    +4
    5 January 2024 15: 00
    The most dangerous seems to be the Ukrainian analogue of the Russian “Lancet”, which is called “Perun”.

    Yes, of course, Russian artillery batteries, MLRS, tanks and armored personnel carriers must always be covered by Shells and/or Derivations from the Per(d:)uns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    However, today it is necessary to protect personnel from massive attacks by FPV drones of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and specifically open trenches and logistics routes. However, you can’t stock up on “big” Shells and Derivations for this. It is necessary to develop their “small” analogues, economically acceptable, and firing mainly shrapnel or shrapnel grenades with a programmable detonation timer, less often mini-missiles - preferably based on, for example, a 4- or even 2-wheeled walk-behind tractor, or a trailer.
  7. +1
    5 January 2024 18: 19
    I believe that Gryazev-Shipunov’s weapon is the best in the world, BUT the Shell is their “puncture” for all their successes. And the trouble is that they are authoritatively pushing him anywhere and blurring their eyes when he is not at all suitable for a ground war conceptually. For a ship, it is tolerable, it protects it, although multi-channel is lost and can only work with either guns or missiles, although guns work with optical systems, and missiles with radar, and here I would like to separate them and make it possible to work independently and simultaneously, increasing efficiency in a couple of times at least (the guns can also be separated so that there are no dead zones due to the high superstructures of the ship).

    For ground air defense, in order to protect cities, a continuous line of interception of aircraft, missiles, drones, ... is needed. To intercept everything low-flying, it is necessary to install anti-aircraft systems every 5 km. (rudely) - You can’t get enough “Shell”. Here you can (possibly in the future) count on "Derivation", which will close the line to a height of 4 km, and above up to 15-20 km an anti-aircraft missile system is needed and cheap missiles from the "Pantsir" would be very useful, with a larger capacity of launchers, BUT without a monstrous tower with guns - one battery for every 25 km of air defense line. Even higher and further, and to destroy any reconnaissance UAVs and AWACS, you already need an S-400/500 with missiles for various purposes.

    And there is a separate issue of covering troops on the front line from loitering and FPV drones in the reach of enemy artillery. Here you need to learn how to shoot down various artillery shells so that close-range air defense equipment in particular is not affected.

    I am silent about the relevance of lasers and ROFAR in modern air defense, since for the military everything is very tight and tied to the interests of “reputable” weapons manufacturers (there will always only be a Kalashnikov assault rifle).
    1. DO
      +1
      5 January 2024 19: 54
      Quote: Wamp
      Here you need to learn how to shoot down various artillery shells so that close-range air defense equipment in particular is not affected.

      The cause of the main losses in the Northern Military District is artillery. Therefore, the development today of the missing effective systems for intercepting enemy artillery shells is extremely relevant, fundamental and worthy of the application of large intellectual and other resources.
      1. 0
        5 January 2024 21: 36
        The answer has long been available, the scouted source is “covered” with high precision even before the shots are fired, or after the first. Catching a flying “star” in the sky is a problem that cannot be solved yet, but the aiming can be diverted if it only flies using traffic signals or a laser beam, they are jammed and accuracy is lost.. They work using laser guidance. The problem is not solved head-on, but in roundabout ways.
        1. DO
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          5 January 2024 23: 53
          Vladimir Tuzakov, yes, that’s all true. However, the first one who effectively solves the problem of intercepting artillery shells “head-on”, in the context of the supremacy of artillery becoming clearer in the Northern Military District, will gain a technical advantage over the enemy for some time.
          1. DO
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            6 January 2024 01: 10
            P. S. For example, a quickly reacting system for early detection of the trajectory of an enemy artillery shell is complemented by a “wall” of highly maneuverable “anti-aircraft drones” hanging like a helicopter, but diving at the target like an airplane - 4-propeller Lancets based on the “product-55” (but with a difference - the propeller engines are located not in the middle of the wings, but at their ends, the diameter of the propellers is 2 times larger, therefore the probability of missing a target is 2 times less; the drone does not require a large size, probably the size of Lancet-1 or even smaller is enough ). The drone's warhead explodes upon contact with the target with any of the large propellers, or any other part of it. Unused "anti-aircraft drones" land like a helicopter to recharge or replace batteries.
  8. +1
    5 January 2024 20: 05
    As a result, Russia has almost everything in development, but the troops do not have enough: secure communications, electronic warfare against fpv, air defense, satellites, counter-warfare radar, standard 6b45 body armor, multiple rocket launchers with guided missiles, drones. And after 2 years I don’t see what came of it. Cool, what. So we will win.
  9. +2
    9 January 2024 01: 21
    Well done, Marzhetsky. As always, savvy and foresighted.
  10. 0
    16 January 2024 08: 39
    Not a solution. There is such a concentration there now that when any of these machines appears, about 30 fpv drones will be directed at it at once. There will be a situation like in Lemov’s “Invincible”, simply, the slaughter of a carcass.
  11. 0
    29 January 2024 20: 19
    I’ll summarize Marzhetsky: little has been done in 25 years, but about 70% of new technology. Over the past 2 years, the problems there haven’t changed much. After 2 years you rarely see the same Breakwater. But the Russian Air Force never achieved air supremacy.