Why does the Russian Black Sea Fleet continue to suffer losses in ships?

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December 26, 2023 became another black day for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Right at the parking lot in the port of Feodosia, during an attack by two Ukrainian Su-24 bombers with cruise missiles, the Novocherkassk BDK was destroyed and sank. Why does our Navy continue to suffer losses without even engaging in battle?

He drowned


At the moment, it has already been officially confirmed that on the night of December 26, the port of Feodosia was attacked by Ukrainian tactical aviation aircraft. The strike appears to have been carried out by British-French Storm Shadow/SCALP cruise missiles, which have a range of up to 1000 km. On the way back, both Su-24 VVSU aircraft were intercepted and destroyed by Russian fighters. Unfortunately, they managed to make trouble.



The Russian Ministry of Defense officially confirmed that one of our few large landing craft was damaged:

At night, while repelling an attack by the Ukrainian armed forces using aircraft guided missiles at the Feodosiya base, the large landing ship Novocherkassk was damaged.

It soon became known that the ship was seriously damaged, burned out and sank right at the anchorage site. According to some reports, it could carry valuable military cargo on board - Geranium-type attack drones, which are used to strike infrastructure facilities on the Square. Perhaps this explains the severity of the fire. At the same time, alas, there are human casualties on our part.

All this is extremely regrettable, since Novocherkassk is far from the first warship lost by the Black Sea Fleet after the start of the Northern Military District, and not even the second of the large landing ships. Let us recall that on March 24, 2022, several Russian large landing craft in the port of Berdyansk were fired upon during unloading. The most unlucky of all was the Project 1171 Tapir BDK, called Saratov, which received very serious damage and sank at the pier. The remaining ships were able to go to sea and put out the fires that had started.

Last August, a Ukrainian fire-ship hit the side of the Olenegorsky Gornyak large landing ship, which was stationed in a roadstead near Novorossiysk. On September 13, 2023, the BDK Minsk was hit by a British-French cruise missile while being right in the dry dock of the Shipyard in Sevastopol. Along with it, the Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine stationed there was also damaged. And this is far from an exhaustive list of losses of the Russian Navy in less than two years.

"Regroupings"


It should be noted that a series of such sad events became possible only because such regions of historical New Russia as the Nikolaev and Odessa regions remain under the control of the Kyiv regime, and Nezalezhnaya has access to the Black Sea. Due to strategic miscalculations in the planning of the Northern Military District, in the fall of 2022, the Russian Armed Forces had to leave Kherson and the most important bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper, from where a land offensive operation could begin, with the goal of liberating Russian cities and cutting off Kyiv from all seas.

As a result, Ukrainian terrorists have the ability to use naval drones, surface and now underwater, to attack Russian ships and coastal infrastructure on the Black Sea coast. Just today they presented another, more powerful and high-speed unmanned boat “Mamai”, turned into a fire-ship. But, alas, the matter did not stop there.

When the Ukrainian Armed Forces received long-range cruise missiles of British-French production and, in the future, American ballistic missiles, the Russian Ministry of Defense was forced to accept difficult decision about the dispersal of surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet from the main base in Sevastopol to Novorossiysk, Feodosia and even the allied Abkhazia. But, as can be seen from today's events, this did not help much. Ukrainian Su-24s were able to reach the Novocherkassk landing craft even on the other side of the Crimean coast in Feodosia. It is not entirely clear yet whether they came only from land, and where the Crimean air defense was then looking, or somehow approached secretly over the sea, bypassing the entire peninsula.

The main thing is that there are no truly safe anchorages on the Black Sea for the Russian Navy, while Kyiv has access to the sea and is freely supplied from NATO countries. It is not at all inspiring to know that Ukraine is developing more powerful and long-range versions of the Neptune anti-ship missile, which can also work from air carriers. So what should we do now?

The simplest answer, yet the most difficult to implement, is to cut off Nezalezhnaya from the Black Sea, liberating the Russian cities of Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog and Odessa. But, if without some mischief, this is not a quick matter. From what can realistically be done, the following comes to mind.

At first, perhaps it’s time to raise the question of the response of the Black Sea Fleet command for what is happening in its area of ​​​​responsibility and all these losses that could have been avoided.

Secondly, it is necessary to strengthen the air defense of Crimea, the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy and the transfer of additional surface ships to the Black Sea along inland water routes for reinforcement. These are primarily MRKs of the Karakurt type, which have a decent sea-based air defense system, small landing and small anti-submarine ships, and minesweepers. The Baltic Fleet, squeezed in the grip of NATO, could act as a donor for the Black Sea Fleet.

Thirdly, in the future, all warships being built in Russia, from large landing craft to patrol icebreakers, must be equipped with at least some kind of modern air defense system for self-defense.

In general, it is necessary to further strengthen the Russian army, preparing it for large-scale offensive operations, since the future of the Black Sea region, like the rest of Novorossiya and Little Russia, will be decided on land.
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  1. +4
    26 December 2023 17: 56
    And why? But because it is a big target with no air defense/missile defense. Such ships should at least be equipped with Pantsir-SM.
    1. 0
      27 December 2023 11: 08
      Tector, it would have been disabled. 100%
  2. +27
    26 December 2023 18: 00
    If our president is not ready to change anything. Then the Moscow Region won’t change anything. After all, the president said, “We don’t abandon our own.” By our own, he means his friends. Therefore, everything will continue to happen the same way as now. The benefits of the grain deal are more important than the lives of military personnel. A man with huge losses on his conscience now wants to be elected again.
    1. +17
      26 December 2023 18: 50
      This “man,” being the “guarantor of the constitution,” changed it in a particularly harsh form - by signing the “nullification.”
      1. +5
        26 December 2023 19: 48
        And he did the right thing, screw this Yeltsin constitution written by the Americans. Fortunately, it was necessary to rewrite it completely.
        1. +15
          27 December 2023 07: 25
          Quote: Dima
          Fortunately, it was necessary to rewrite it completely.

          This is a good thing. But they did the wrong thing, as always - the Constitution is simply ignored by all branches of government.
        2. +7
          27 December 2023 11: 09
          Dima, right? In the end it turned out even worse. But everything that was American remains.
    2. -10
      27 December 2023 07: 07
      To you on Ukrainian branches. Supporters of Navalny and Khodorkovsky cluster there. Or change the manual about our President.
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    3. 0
      28 December 2023 13: 28
      What does your comment have to do with the topic raised in the article?
    4. 0
      2 January 2024 23: 28
      Today all the capitalist countries of the world are subordinate to the main capitalist country.
  3. +27
    26 December 2023 18: 01
    These are the results of the Kremlin’s toothless policy, when the money of the oligarchs is more important than the interests of the people of Russia. One word, there is comprador power in the Russian Federation.
    1. +20
      26 December 2023 18: 13
      Do you think this will prevent you from getting 80% of the votes in March? Even if by that time a couple more ships will be sunk? According to VTsIOM polls, previous “achievements” did not particularly affect the rating.
      1. +10
        27 December 2023 11: 12
        Oise, you can’t help but choose a king. And don’t care about his “achievements” and words.

        Anyone who thinks will see in 2022 what kind of army we have and how Tuabretkin and Shoigu “changed” it. It is logical to assume that the result is the same in other areas.

        But no one cares... we elect a king. Nobody is nice to us anymore.
      2. +2
        28 December 2023 17: 25
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Do you think this will prevent you from getting 80% of the votes in March?

        Well, with 80 you went a little too far. Our government loves the number -75 (three quarters). And in the end, the plan will be again, as with amendments, designed for three figures.
        1) Turnout - at least 75;
        2) voting for the right one - 75%;
        3) the percentage is “for” of the total number of voters - more than 50%. Shall we bet? lol
    2. -12
      27 December 2023 07: 08
      Please give more details about money and oligarchs and the operation against Ukraine. What interests of the peoples of Russia are being infringed?
      1. 0
        2 January 2024 23: 32
        The right of a Belgorod resident to be physically healthy on planet Earth is being infringed
  4. +8
    26 December 2023 18: 08
    Of course, there is no war without losses, but normal command after these sharply becomes wiser...
  5. +13
    26 December 2023 18: 10
    Ukrainian Su-24s, according to reports in our media, were shot down in the Zhovten area. This is almost near Krivoy Rog, far from LBS. Our fighters have not flown so far into the Ukrainian rear for a long time, otherwise why are there bridges across the Dnieper? So, as for the fact that the planes that carried out this attack were destroyed is more than doubtful: missiles are not gliding bombs, to use which the plane must rise 10-12 km, and it is practically impossible to detect and hit a low-flying target at such a distance from the LBS without AWACS really. And if we had AWACS, then why were the enemy missiles able to calmly complete their task?
    1. +10
      26 December 2023 22: 40
      Quote: UAZ 452
      Ukrainian Su-24s, according to reports in our media, were shot down in the Zhovten area. This is almost near Krivoy Rog, far from LBS.

      Well, do you need to sculpt some kind of “compensators”? Judging by the number of losses of the Black Sea Fleet, in the “command”, “infiltrators” are clearly bankrupt.
    2. +1
      26 December 2023 23: 23
      That's right, it all depends on people. During the Falklands conflict, an Argentine pilot in a piston(!) Pucara flew hundreds of kilometers over the ocean and suddenly successfully attacked an English aircraft carrier with bombs...
      1. +1
        27 December 2023 09: 31
        Moreover, I managed to walk along the deck with machine guns, where the British gathered with the BP, enjoying the good weather...
    3. -6
      27 December 2023 07: 26
      The Su-24 can take off and reach the target to launch missiles, but when returning, it needs to rise to a certain altitude for landing. This is where he becomes a target for our aviation or air defense.
      Well, these planes could attack by passing through the coastal zones of Romania and Bulgaria at low altitudes, turn around and leave Bulgarian airspace and go towards Crimea, approaching the borders at low altitudes, shoot back and go back to Ukraine.
      Or, with the help of intelligence services from NATO countries, they found a hole in our air defense and took advantage of this to plot the missile route.
      There were no Geraniums on the landing ship. The cargo from the landing craft has already been unloaded. The ammunition of one of the guns detonated due to a fire. In order to save the ship and stop the fire, it was sunk at the pier. There were only watchmen on the ship at the time of the impact, and they were injured.
    4. +5
      27 December 2023 09: 45
      Why were the enemy missiles able to calmly complete their task?

      Because the enemy’s missiles were aimed directly at the target at the expense of American satellites and UAVs, which the Russian Aerospace Forces do not destroy. Probably due to fear of starting a conflict with NATO.
      1. 0
        28 December 2023 13: 38
        But does missile guidance by American or any other means affect air defense systems? That satellites create interference or launch Shrikes? As far as I know, Shadows do not have built-in electronic warfare capabilities.
    5. +1
      27 December 2023 11: 13
      UAZ, questions, questions... I'm afraid no one will answer this for us.
    6. +1
      28 December 2023 17: 30
      Quote: UAZ 452
      So, it’s more than doubtful that the planes that carried out this attack were destroyed:

      Well, it was necessary to justify it somehow - the holiday is, after all, Air Defense Day...
  6. +20
    26 December 2023 18: 19
    Our leadership needs a long war to stay in their seats. And we will say in the words of Lenin. The worse, the better. The “heroic” KChF has already lost six ships of the first rank. And he will lose a lot more. Let him lose. Only a severe crisis and a sea of ​​losses will move this country to change, as they did in 1917.
  7. +22
    26 December 2023 18: 25
    Putin doesn’t abandon his own people, so don’t expect changes, no one will be held accountable for this
    1. -1
      26 December 2023 19: 51
      And who was responsible for the Tallinn breakthrough? Based on your logic, Stalin should have shot the entire top leadership of the Red Army and the Communist Front. There were so many bloody mistakes in 1941-42 that it is difficult to count.
  8. +3
    26 December 2023 18: 28
    For a long time, even before the air defense system, the lack of a normal air defense system for ships was discussed. Ships under construction, military icebreakers, supply ships are equipped, at best, with some kind of fluff and that’s it. This is where all the ship's protection ends. All normal experts talked about at least a minimally marine version of the Shell.
    1. +2
      26 December 2023 22: 43
      Quote: zloybond
      Ships under construction, military icebreakers, supply ships are equipped, at best, with some kind of fluff and that’s it.

      Well, then, you have to salute your superiors upon arrival wassat .
    2. +3
      27 December 2023 07: 27
      Judging by the losses of the shells themselves, this is not a good solution
  9. +4
    26 December 2023 18: 32
    Does the Black Sea Fleet even exist?
    1. +5
      26 December 2023 22: 47
      Quote: Jstas
      Does the Black Sea Fleet even exist?

      For parquet admirals, while they exist - yes!. Even if it becomes “mosquito-like”, like their brothers-in-law, from “Nezalezhnaya”.
  10. +1
    26 December 2023 18: 33
    The cruiser Moscow and the BDK took up to 10 years to build, now it’s 20-25 years, so there won’t be any more large ships, but there will be corvettes, small missiles, frigates as the main striking force and submarines, and the landing force can be dropped from the air, or built again ekranoplanes ..
  11. -1
    26 December 2023 18: 37
    Why do we need steamships? These are just floating coffins! We need SMALL, MANEUVERABLE and ARMED TO THE TEETH steamships and diesel submarines! Only they can protect the coasts of Russia!
    1. +1
      26 December 2023 18: 53
      Who are you going to fight with and where? Publish it, otherwise we don’t know. The Russian Federation is not at war with Ukraine.
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      2. +2
        27 December 2023 00: 01
        not to fight, but to protect from migrants and smugglers
  12. +11
    26 December 2023 18: 48
    Quote: Jstas
    Does the Black Sea Fleet even exist?

    most likely not....but the ports, bridges, and railways of Ukraine remain untouched
  13. +11
    26 December 2023 19: 08
    This rocket (missiles?) flew from the launch site for about half an hour.
    Did our radars see her (them)? If you didn’t see it, shoot the entire shift.
    If they saw it and reported it, did they sound an air raid alert? If not, shoot the entire operational service.
    If the alarm was announced, but the main landing ship was not launched and the movement to exit the port was not started, then the commander of the landing craft, the first mate and the watch officer should be shot.
    However, they were already “shot” by the Ukrainians.
    Judging by the facts, after Ushakov, Russia no longer has a fleet or sailors on the Black Sea.
    There are ships and personnel, but no FLEET.
    Py.Sy. BDK (crew of 87 people) broke into pieces and sank, and ONE PERSON died.
    And the rest 86?
    Did you manage to go to the mountains?
    1. +4
      26 December 2023 19: 17
      about the remaining 86 people you need to ask Khuzhenetovich, he rubbed something in there about losses to the strategist of all times and peoples
    2. +4
      26 December 2023 19: 17
      As far as I understand, four of the injured and one of the dead were civilians. Perhaps they were port workers, or maybe they accidentally fell under the rubble. The losses of military personnel have not yet been announced at all, and knowing how it was in previous times, it is not a fact that they will ever be announced. More than 20 people on the Moskva are still missing, at least that was the last official message from the Ministry of Defense.
    3. DO
      +4
      27 December 2023 00: 31
      Quote: Seamaster
      This rocket (missiles?) flew from the launch site for about half an hour.
      Did our radars see her (them)? If you didn’t see it, shoot the entire shift.

      “If you haven’t seen it”... Depends on why. If technically they couldn’t (the missiles were hidden in folds of the terrain during flight), then what was the fault of the shift? Of course, finding the “switchmen” and “shooting” them is a sacred thing :)))
      If “the shift technically could not see,” claims should be made against the organizers of the World Cup air defense system. And here are the questions:
      Did the aircraft(s) operate AWACS? If not, why not?
      Perhaps the A-50 aircraft was not allocated for World Cup air defense because it was easy to shoot down from the long-range American Patriot air defense system? Then the question arises, where are the long-announced Su-34 with Sych suspended container radar?
    4. +1
      27 December 2023 07: 29
      Why did you stop in the chain of executions? Let's go further - to the very top
      1. DO
        0
        27 December 2023 16: 50
        Quote: syndicalist
        Why did you stop in the chain of executions? Let's go further - to the very top

        It’s not my thing to shoot. Somehow you yourself, there in America :)))
  14. +12
    26 December 2023 19: 56
    Nothing to say. Any honest comment falls under the article of insulting government officials
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    2. -3
      27 December 2023 09: 22
      This is wrong. Peskov recently spoke out against persecution when discussing Novocherkassk
  15. +7
    26 December 2023 20: 15
    Why does our Navy continue to suffer losses without even engaging in battle?

    These are all cunning moves of a cunning plan, a multi-move plan (this is instead of unprintable words). You can’t relax, the enemy is serious, is it really not enough?
  16. +7
    26 December 2023 20: 37
    ...These are primarily the Karakurt-type MRKs, which have a decent sea-based air defense system..

    - Ask the sailors for their opinion about "Karakurt". Real ones, not mom’s ones. "Karakurt" was intended to bypass the defunct DRMSD, which did not have air defense (not counting MANPADS "Igla", "Verba" from the 3rd ship in the "Pantsir" series, rear-mounted) and anti-aircraft defense. In fact, this is a barge for Caliber.
  17. +1
    27 December 2023 00: 36
    In Europe, those countries that are aggressive towards Russia do not have politicians (with such a level of independence) like De Gaulle and Kohl for a long time. All this spineless biomass of officials with their leaders reminds me of history: Ulrich Friedrich Willy Joachim von Ribbentrop, when the time came and he was led (I would say pulled) to the scaffold, as his legs gave way and from time to time he lost consciousness. Unfair right? Having worked as a diplomat and received such a sentence. What I mean is that in a real war (now), Article XNUMX is nonsense. Unless this NATO diligently helps, like caring parents help and wait for their child to get on his feet through trial and error. Hitler prepared for eight years and then attacked the USSR. The question is, shall we wait? Or we will make them first nervous and then afraid. Let's remember how Shoigu didn't pick up the phone and the Pentagon was nervous and Lloyd Austin couldn't find a place for himself. And China, looking at all this disgrace with us, began to act more aggressively near Taiwan towards the coalition of “partners.” They made sharper and more dangerous maneuvers in the air, the rapprochement seemed to reach up to five meters, and on the water too. And the wording from the State Department after Xi Jinping’s last visit, in addition to talking about what Biden said, it also said about supposedly certain security agreements. Well, Yankees, it’s easy to help and spoil things with a reliable connection (supposedly for the sake of World Peace) and at the same time slowly climb the ladder of escalation. Conclusion: blocking direct communication between the military and going directly to England and the United States, if the military more acutely understands the consequences (of nuclear war), let the Pentagon show its teeth not only to us but also to the State Department. In any battle (if the forces are equal) and the enemy is not crazy, the rule should be who is to blame, as in the song “the truth is always the same.” It is impossible in a normal mind to come to your home and fight with you as if it is not your house but his, and in the next room it is not your wife hugging your children in fear, but him, simply because you and he both know the truth. It is simply not conceivable to grab each other by the throat and strangle each other; it is unlikely - although this can happen.
    1. -2
      2 January 2024 23: 44
      Shoigu, being close to Yeltsin, whom the United States sympathized with, saved our capitalist system in 1993. It was the right choice. Now everything is in stores. The United States also sympathized with Sobchak. The United States is not our enemy, but a trading partner. They buy uranium for a lot of money, and from there the budget is filled.
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  20. +9
    27 December 2023 06: 31
    Not long ago they announced the constant duty of MiG 31s over the Black Sea precisely in order to prevent missile strikes. And where?
  21. +4
    27 December 2023 07: 05
    These leaders will not change. We are apparently already obsessed with others..
  22. +5
    27 December 2023 07: 41
    With such an approach to defense, from that day on I would not advise anyone to travel across the bridge.
  23. +1
    27 December 2023 08: 25
    if everything continues as it is now, then we will need to strengthen air defense everywhere (((this is very expensive and not fast to cool down.
  24. +8
    27 December 2023 09: 57
    The lack of an adequate response only confirms that the top leadership still does not consider Crimea and other annexed territories to be Russian territory. After all, there have been so many statements that if there are strikes against NATO weapons on the legitimate territories of Russia, then the response will be different... But it is not and will not be. No one understands what we are waiting for. The British brought a minesweeper for them. So sink it back in the Danube. The Turks sent 4 more boats. And what are we waiting for? When will they sail to Crimea?
    1. 0
      2 January 2024 23: 56
      Quote: Skilled
      The lack of an adequate response only confirms that the top leadership still does not consider Crimea and other annexed territories to be Russian territory.

      Belgorod and Kursk too?
  25. +5
    27 December 2023 11: 08
    On the way back, both Su-24 VVSU aircraft were intercepted and destroyed by Russian fighters.

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    What do I want to say here: 3 times ha...
  26. +2
    27 December 2023 11: 58
    The fleet should fight, and not stand at the piers, because someone does not want to risk expensive ships.
  27. +9
    27 December 2023 12: 17
    They could have taken Nikolaev and Odessa in March 22nd. They did not do this due to the complete incompetence of the command. Since then, no one has been replaced - so the Black Sea Fleet is suffering losses and marking time.
  28. +1
    27 December 2023 14: 55
    It seems like the article didn’t start badly, but I was taken aback by the author’s proposal

    .......transfer of additional surface ships to the Black Sea along inland water routes for reinforcement. These are primarily MRKs of the Karakurt type, which have a decent sea-based air defense system, small landing.....

    The author can be seen from one test as the command of our Navy. What are they there for? Are the already destroyed Black Sea Fleet ships not enough for you? What will these RTOs and BDKs do there? Also hide in Novorossiysk and Abkhazia?
    To cover naval bases from the air, you don’t need a ship with air defense (and even with the same air defense as an MRK), and you don’t necessarily need an MRK to fire Calibers (a container ship is enough).
    But apparently this will never reach the leadership of the Navy and some analysts.....
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  29. +5
    27 December 2023 19: 33
    All WHYs can be answered briefly. BECAUSE. There is no Law of the Russian Federation, no Decree of the President of the Russian Federation on the Northern Military District in Ukraine. No goal, no strategy. There is a war between capitalists and hucksters for the redistribution of property in Ukraine. It is enough to issue a Law of the Russian Federation, in which it will be written that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia, and how everything will change. The war from the Northern Military District will turn into a people's liberation war. But the government is terribly afraid of its people.
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  31. +3
    27 December 2023 21: 39
    Why does the Russian Black Sea Fleet continue to suffer losses in ships?

    Because on the morning of February 24.02.2022, 1, VVP said a lot of things, but did not even do 4/XNUMX of what he said.
    1. +1
      29 December 2023 20: 58
      After the elections he will! It’s always after the elections that things get hotter, last time I raised the retirement age, we’re impatiently waiting for the next step.
  32. +2
    28 December 2023 00: 14
    What happened to the Kursk? – it sank. What happened to Novocherkassk - it drowned. Nothing has changed in twenty-five years!
  33. +3
    28 December 2023 00: 58
    ...You can, of course, tear and throw... But, Alas!.. This is the result of a completely objective reality...
    ...Due to the (planned) increase in the supply of the Ukrovermacht from the Western owners with increasingly sophisticated technical means of destruction (missiles, UAVs, surface and underwater UAVs), as well as due to an increase in the number of supplies..., - the task of covering any of Our objects, both military and civilian, will become more complicated rapidly...
    We should not forget that Ukrainian Reich is also developing its own production of such equipment... (And they certainly won’t have any problems with microcircuits.)
    Therefore, it is impossible to give a XNUMX% guarantee of the effectiveness of our, even the most advanced air defense and other means, in the fight against these targets...
    In the current situation, there is only one option - the option of an immediate and extremely harsh and merciless retaliatory strike..., many times stronger than the enemy strike...
    ...But will our politicians (glass boys) agree to this?..
    1. +1
      28 December 2023 15: 57
      You wrote everything correctly, but the people don’t understand why we are fighting and for what or whom the men of Russia are dying. For what purpose does the Russian Federation suffer material losses? What happens after SVO. There were such numbers on the Internet. The West estimates the value of Ukraine at approximately $80–85 trillion (estimates). This is the cost without Crimea, LDPR, Zaporozhye, Kherson regions. Now the question is being decided who will be the owner of these trillions. There are many transnational capitalists, including Russian oligarchs, who want to warm their hands in Ukraine. So they make politics in Ukraine. NATO is also interested in the land of Ukraine and its territory of comfortable living, and the desire to create a springboard for an attack on the Russian Federation.
      1. 0
        28 December 2023 16: 08
        Quote: vlad127490
        The West estimates Ukraine's value at approximately $80–85 trillion

        Interesting assessments.
        If we assume that the country’s GDP is 2% of the fixed capital, then in 2021 the GDP of that Ukraine is 0.2 trillion, and the “fixed capital” comes out to 10 trillion.
        1. 0
          29 December 2023 14: 42
          Your figure is 10 trillion, is this the value of Ukraine for which you can buy or sell Ukraine? Maybe you are right. In my understanding, the West lowered the price by three times. There is such a parameter “Territory of Comfortable Living”, and so in the current Russian Federation only 16% is comfortable for living (most of the territory of the Russian Federation is permafrost, swamps, taiga, mountains, hills, cold zone), in Ukraine 82%, in Belarus 83 % (data varies, but the proportionality relationship remains the same). People prefer to live better in Krasnodar than in Magadan. How do you feel about the cost of such an option?
          1. 0
            29 December 2023 15: 05
            Quote: vlad127490
            in the current Russian Federation, only 16% is comfortable for living

            Well, you don’t need that many territories to live.
            As well as for the location of industry.
            Investments in development are required, but Ukraine is now in a “brown field” state.

            agriculture, which requires land, has well-known annual returns, and accordingly, the upper price of land is determined by the annual income from it, multiplied by 20, or 50.
            Similarly with the extraction of raw materials - until 2022, Ukraine mined ore and smelted metal - but not to say that the amounts there were astronomical.

            Your figure is 10 trillion, is this the value of Ukraine for which you can buy or sell Ukraine?

            This conditional figure for the upper threshold is that if you pay 10 trillion for Ukraine, they will never pay back at a rate (net of inflation) of only 2% per annum.
            Despite the fact that GDP is actually turnover, and not profit at all.
            It will be possible to allocate well 10% to profit, no more, so if we consider the project of purchasing Ukraine as a purely commercial one, even a trillion will be on the verge of payback (and then in a very distant future).
            1. 0
              29 December 2023 19: 02
              It turns out that the United States with its printing press can buy Ukraine and make a new American state. In 1721, Tsar Peter the Great bought the Baltic states from Sweden for 2 million rubles, i.e. According to the Nystadt Peace Treaty, Estonia and Latvia are the property of Moscow. Among the English, property is sacred.
      2. 0
        28 December 2023 23: 26
        In both cases, the owner will be one of the big 30 investment funds. Don't have any illusions.
      3. 0
        2 January 2024 23: 48
        Israel wants to move to Ukraine
    2. 0
      2 January 2024 23: 59
      Quote: Insolent in a Jacket
      But will our politicians (glass boys) agree to this?..

      The question is rather rhetorical.
  34. -1
    28 December 2023 01: 07
    Crimea is already provided as much as possible with air defense systems, etc. This advice means nothing. Here it is either not to send a large landing ship without cover, or to provide air defense to this port, reducing the likelihood of the destruction of military ships. And so, keep ships away from Crimea.
  35. 0
    28 December 2023 01: 22
    The only good thing about this situation is that the BDK sank off the coast with minimal casualties,
    but it could be affected during the next mediocre operation of the Black Sea Fleet command on the high seas with a full crew and a battalion of marines on board.
    And no one would answer for this, as now...
    1. +1
      28 December 2023 14: 43
      Who told you that losses are minimal? Those who say that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already lost 550 aircraft?
      1. 0
        29 December 2023 21: 01
        The ship's commander said everything went smoothly and no one was hurt. You can trust him. The rest is fake.
  36. +2
    28 December 2023 08: 08
    Another plus is that NATO reconnaissance aircraft and UAVs fly calmly and without fear of anyone over the Black Sea, collecting intelligence data for the long-haired.
    1. 0
      29 December 2023 21: 01
      And who should they be afraid of? Air pockets, if only.
  37. -1
    28 December 2023 13: 24
    I agree with the author only in terms of the qualitative and quantitative strengthening of naval air defense.
  38. +1
    28 December 2023 13: 50
    Quote: Evgeni2022
    The “heroic” KChF has already lost six ships of the first rank.

    As far as I know, only the cruiser "Moscow" was classified as a first-rank ship.
  39. +2
    28 December 2023 17: 36
    It doesn’t surprise me so much why we continue to suffer losses, but why we don’t respond adequately... That’s the paradox...
  40. +2
    28 December 2023 18: 38
    ... it is necessary to strengthen the air defense of Crimea, the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy and the transfer of additional surface ships to the Black Sea along inland water routes for reinforcement.

    Air defense is not rubber. It is like a short blanket - either on the heels or on the head. And given the enormous size of the Russian Federation, it is very short. Do you want to expose Moscow? For this, under Stalin, they would have been immediately spanked without any consequences.

    The simplest answer, yet the most difficult to implement, is to cut off Nezalezhnaya from the Black Sea, liberating the Russian cities of Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog and Odessa. But, if without some mischief, this is not a quick matter.

    It’s just that people in Nezalezhnaya still don’t understand why the named cities suddenly became Russian. And before the start of the SVO, the GDP personally signed documents recognizing them as Ukrainian.
    But it's all lyrics. Instead of economically capturing Ukraine, they decided to start a small victorious war. Well, like Tsar Nicholas with Japan. And before that, the tsar, also Nikolasha, but only the first, decided on the same adventure. And when Western help came in, the small victorious ones suddenly turned into large ones that were not at all victorious. And this was at a time when numbers were of key importance.
    Now, instead of hearing the one who started the whole mess - Girkin, strange body movements began with "gestures of good will" and other dances, the Hero of Novorossiya was simply... imprisoned. Probably so as not to confuse people?
    And now, instead of decisive action, there is some kind of fuss for a couple of kilometers behind the foresters’ huts, and supplies to Nezalezhna are flowing in a stream, and not at all in a trickle. It is cheaper for the West to support the war in Ukraine than to fight back on its own territory. Again, increasing its share of the arms market. War is good advertising.
    And it turns out that the longer the process drags on, the more modest the appetites and the higher the losses.
    Maybe they imprisoned the wrong one?
  41. 0
    29 December 2023 12: 04
    In general, we need to order a second monument to the Black Sea Fleet from the sculptor, soon it will have to be erected, the original is in Sevastopol, and also a copy in the Kremlin, to remind, Well, opposite the Frunzenskaya embankment,7 it is necessary to erect a monument to the General (Admiral) without a Head