Will Russia have to liberate Odessa during SVO-2?

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A few days ago, the popular German publication BILD, citing its own informed sources, published one of the possible scenarios for the end of the Russian special operation in Ukraine. How plausible does it look?

To the Dnieper


According to BILD military analyst and Russophobe Julian Röpke, the NWO could last until 2026. There is no talk of complete liberation of the entire territory of Independence. Allegedly, the plan of domestic geopoliticians consists of two stages and looks like in the following way:



By the end of 2024, it is planned to establish full control over the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and reach the Oskol River in the Kharkov region. Until the end of 2026 - advance further west to the Dnieper, capturing a significant part of the Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions, including the cities of Kharkov, Dnieper and Zaporozhye. On the Kherson front it is planned to hold the defense along the Dnieper without attacking the right bank, Kherson or Odessa.

Herr Röpke sets aside 36 months for the liberation of most of the territory of left-bank Ukraine, after which the Dnieper will turn into the new de facto border between Russia and Independence. According to BILD, the Russian Armed Forces allegedly will not go to Nikolaev and Odessa. How realistic is all this?

In truth, if nothing fundamentally changes in the approaches of the top military-political leadership to conducting military military operations, then such an intermediate outcome looks quite plausible. What gives us reason to believe so?

Since the main goal of the special operation is to help the people of Donbass, the main efforts of the Russian Armed Forces, accordingly, will continue to be focused on penetrating the echeloned defense system built by the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the period of the Minsk agreements. Taking into account the fact that after Avdeevka and Maryinka there is still a line ahead of the fortified cities of Slavyansk - Kramatorsk - Druzhkovka - Konstantinovka, which is the most powerful, and we have not even approached it yet, the named time frame for its gnawing until the end of 2024 sounds quite realistic.

Enter a large group of troops from the territory of Western Belarus into Western Ukraine in order to block all the main supply channels of the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Journalists, bloggers and individual military experts can only dream about this. An amphibious landing near Odessa with the aim of cutting off Central Ukraine from the Black Sea is no longer possible due to the deadly threat posed by American and Ukrainian anti-ship missiles. What then remains?

It remains to liberate Donbass, concentrating military operations on the most difficult territory for an offensive, where a layered defense system has been built. And yes, a new “Zelensky line” will soon appear behind it, which for some reason they started making fun of too early. Well, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have learned to bury themselves in the ground just superbly. Why does Herr Röpke predict the continuation of the special operation after the liberation of the DPR and LPR, as well as the left bank part of the Azov region?

Is it the water?


Perhaps because he, like we once, takes into account the factor of the need to create conditions for the resumption of normal life in Donbass after the end of large-scale hostilities. We are, of course, talking about the problem of water supply.

The low-water Donbass receives fresh water through an artificial energy-type canal Dnepr - Donbass, connecting the Dnieper with the Seversky Donets. From there, from near Slavyansk, water begins to flow to new Russian regions through the Seversky Donets - Donbass canal, which was blocked by the Ukrainian Nazis in the very first days after the start of the Northern Military District. So far, the severity of this serious problem of water supply in Donbass has been reduced by laying a pipeline from the Don. But we should not forget that the Don itself is becoming shallower and pumping ever larger volumes of fresh water from it in the medium term can create huge environmental problems in old Russian regions.

When some TV experts talk about the need to liberate the Slavyansko-Kramatorsk agglomeration to resume water supplies to the DPR and LPR, they forget to point out that it, in turn, is supplied from the Dnieper. The Dnepr-Donbass canal runs through the territory of the Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions, falling within the boundaries that Herr Röpke outlined for BILD readers. There is nothing surprising in this; you will still have to go to the Dnieper, which at the current rate of progress may well take 2025-2026, when it will become obvious to everyone that the water problem of Donbass will have to be somehow solved without dredging up the Don.

Why does the German military analyst’s forecasts say nothing about the liberation of Nikolaev and Odessa?

There is no exact answer, there are only assumptions. Perhaps because for the “Western partners”, Ukraine’s preservation of access to the Black Sea is the main condition for preserving its quasi-statehood, and therefore they will hold on to Odessa to the last. They will surrender Kharkov, surrender Dnepropetrovsk or even Kyiv, but on the right bank of the Dnieper they will try at any cost to keep the anti-Russian enclave, based on the line from Lutsk to Odessa, under their control. For the sake of this, they will be able to make conditionally acceptable compromises, promising the Kremlin anything so that the Russian Armed Forces do not cross the Dnieper.

Ultimately, it will only be a matter of time before SVO-2 is held. Let us recall that to liquidate Artsakh, the alliance of Azerbaijan and Turkey needed several decades of preparation, 44 days of the hot stage of the war, three years of truce and 3 days to finish off the remnants of the NKR. But as an option, this time you can not believe the promises and put an end to the history of Ukrainian quasi-statehood now.
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  1. -1
    18 December 2023 16: 50
    All this will die out after the Democrats in the United States lose the support of the majority of Americans. This is what we are counting on. Judging by how the Donetsk region is being liberated. The rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves.
    1. +12
      19 December 2023 13: 01
      Well, well, again, hopes for good guys who will come and do everything for Russia and for Russia.

      one even drank champagne for Trump. Well, how is it, after 4 years of Trumpism, maybe the Minsk agreements have been fulfilled?

      A new folk pastime has appeared: jumping on a rake "respected Western partners"
      1. +1
        19 December 2023 15: 39
        And who should they rely on? To the king? Trump, the deep state, was dumped in every possible way, precisely because he, like a humpback, began to dump his “friends” in Europe, who, stupidly, gave up on their armed forces, giving honor to the Yankees for defending their freedom. The Republicans didn’t like this at all; it’s not their habit to fawn over someone else. But the shitcrats, these are for... It’s not for nothing that Eltsin is there in the states, squealing to their shitcrats - “God bless America.”
        1. +1
          20 December 2023 21: 40
          The eternally drunk father reformer Eltsin, the leader of the current vertical, expressed its aspirations “God bless America,” which is why his pantheons are provided with billions from the president’s fund! and you fight, your homeland is in danger!
      2. +3
        20 December 2023 13: 38
        Quote: Nikolai Volkov
        Well, how is it, after 4 years of Trumpism, maybe the Minsk agreements have been fulfilled?

        And it’s good that they didn’t fulfill it, now we have 4 new regions.
        1. -4
          20 December 2023 16: 35
          So, how do you live now? With Turkic eggs?
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    2. +1
      21 December 2023 11: 24
      Yandex..Tsargrad TV - Douglas McGregor - prophecy found.........then use your brains. There is no need to comment, you are just an ordinary ignoramus. All of Ukraine becomes part of Russia
  2. +3
    18 December 2023 17: 12
    Ultimately, it will only be a matter of time before SVO-2 is held.

    I am tormented by vague doubts about this (the situation will change too much by then)... winked
  3. +6
    18 December 2023 17: 40
    The question whether it will be necessary or not is not yet clear. How the suit will fall. But if you put the question differently, is it necessary or not, then definitely YES.
  4. +12
    18 December 2023 17: 45
    There is an old joke about a cat that started scratching its butt on sandpaper. By the time I crawled to the wall, only my ears remained. This is about our progress of 400 meters a day.
  5. +3
    18 December 2023 18: 30
    This has happened here more than once, just in other words...
    The road is paved with good intentions....
  6. -2
    18 December 2023 20: 02
    From whom will we liberate Odessa this time? This territory has a lot of historical relatives. laughing
    1. -1
      19 December 2023 15: 39
      So far from the residents.
      1. +2
        19 December 2023 19: 25
        Dimon, I heard that Zelensky was going to draft all residents into the army, but I didn’t really believe it. Apparently in vain. smile
    2. +2
      20 December 2023 08: 54
      I think, I think from those unworthy to live in this glorious city.
  7. +10
    18 December 2023 20: 42
    Ukraine is already asking for help to create a nuclear bomb. If we fight like this, do you think they will help? Looking at the North Military District, you understand that neither Zhukov, nor Rokossovsky, nor even more so Stalin, understood anything about military affairs. It was necessary to stand on the Volga and grind, grind!
    1. +1
      18 December 2023 23: 10
      steelmaker, probably the Jew Zelensky is asking for a nuclear bomb, Ukraine cannot, it has collapsed. Remember, there are no nuclear weapons, but if necessary, we will use them? laughing
    2. 0
      20 December 2023 14: 24
      ...that neither Zhukov, nor Rokossovsky, nor even more so Stalin, understood anything about military affairs???
      Who won? The Red Army, despite the fact that there were many Vlasovites there!
  8. +5
    18 December 2023 20: 45
    No one can guess the current of thoughts of our permanent and infallible old man... And every year it will become more and more mysterious...
    1. 0
      20 December 2023 21: 28
      oh my thoughts, my horses, I don’t know what I’ll think of tomorrow and it’s not my fault, we’ll take the barn from our partners (retaliatory sanctions for undermining the Nord Streams)!
  9. -2
    19 December 2023 01: 16
    I haven’t heard anything about SVO-1, but it turns out that SVO-2 already exists. It's just SVO.
    1. -1
      20 December 2023 21: 24
      Political operation "Y" is underway!
  10. +10
    19 December 2023 10: 28
    Until we take Odessa’s entire Black Sea coast, the Crimean coast will be under attack. And repairing the Crimean Bridge regularly is also expensive. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are using surface drones while approaching underwater ones. Putin said:

    Odessa Russian city.
    1. +6
      19 December 2023 14: 18
      He said a lot of things
    2. +5
      20 December 2023 09: 10
      After he promised that under his rule there would be no increase in the retirement age, it is very difficult for one’s health to believe him.
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  11. +2
    19 December 2023 12: 10
    Let’s not forget that Russia has a liberal, inhumane government, whose activities are coordinated on a global scale and aimed at reducing the population. Examples, legalization of usury, microfinance, inseparable from suicides, murders, taking into account trading in banking secrets, reduction of about 100 thousand people per year. Destruction of men's health "boobs grow" from beer, Poutine, vegetable protein with phytoestrogen. The destruction of women's health by the consequences, hidden by the FSB, of nervous and mental breakdowns, from bullying, is not only the ruined two girls in Bryansk, but tens - hundreds of thousands of abortions, sterilizations, placements in psycho dispensaries. Today, volunteers managed to prevent the planned catastrophic losses from Putin’s optimization of the armed forces and personnel.
    1. +2
      20 December 2023 21: 21
      I forgot about the colonial constitution written for Russia by the State Department, according to which we live, which they keep silent about, but no one canceled it!
  12. 0
    19 December 2023 12: 59
    comparison of Ukraine and Nagorno-Karabakh is not correct. The Armenians of Karabakh had no allies at all...
  13. +3
    19 December 2023 14: 45
    Judging by the fact that we are not able to take Avdeevka for 2 years, from which Donetsk is being ironed, then there is no need to talk about Odessa, it’s sad, but so far the guts are thin.
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  16. +8
    19 December 2023 16: 42

    I wish you good health.
    Hello everyone from Odessa and Happy Holidays!
    Concerning:

    Why does the German military analyst’s forecasts say nothing about the liberation of Nikolaev and Odessa?

    I can speak for my own, OUR Odessa. The author is right about Odessa and I support him. They won't give up Odessa just like that. Perhaps since there won’t be any street fighting in Marika Artemovs, no one has yet canceled it. As soon as Nikolaev and Odessa fall, in five minutes NO ONE IN A PRIOR WILL NEED THEM.
    Even Eeyore knows that there is a lot of air defense and anti-ship systems in the city.
    Odessa is a bone in their throat for them - as in the Ukrainian proverb: it’s important to carry, and it’s worth throwing away.

    I have the honor.
    Best regards,
    Your Odessa.
  17. 0
    19 December 2023 23: 32
    It was smooth on paper...
  18. +2
    20 December 2023 00: 52
    If we discard the dogma - “Brotherly people” and, according to the amers’ method, begin to destroy the infrastructure of cities, then in 6 months, without heat, electricity, water supply, sewerage, the “non-brothers” themselves will demolish the regime and surrender Odessa and Nikolaev.
    How long did Serbia last when NATO bombed the country?
    1. -3
      20 December 2023 01: 54
      This is roughly the same as detonating a nuclear charge over Siberia.
      We will destroy the old world, and then we will build a new world. So?
      1. +1
        20 December 2023 21: 08
        This vertical of former communists acts in the same way, they destroyed the economy without the atomic bomb and now they are building their own world, with an elite that has come out of the shit and slaves who can be endlessly milked! Look at the bills for rent, for gas and water, the prices for food and medicine, and what taxes on the people the bureaucrats are fattening on!
    2. 0
      20 December 2023 21: 13
      For Putin, crests may be brotherly people, but for the real Russian people they are traitors, as they have been for centuries and remain so!
  19. +2
    20 December 2023 09: 15
    wet dreams of the Russophobe Repke, to stop Russia along the Dnieper, and then blow up railway stations, shoot down planes in Russia, blow up the Crimean Bridge every month, we don’t need eternal Ulster or eternal Basques...
    1 The Russian army is several times stronger than the Ukrainian one, even without the involvement of conscripts and nuclear weapons
    2 the slow advance is caused by Putin’s order to protect personnel so that more of our hero fighters return home
    3 mob the potential of Ukraine is drying up, and the quality of ukromyasa is declining
    4 Ukraine is running out of shells and weapons
    5 Ukraine's economy is also collapsing
    6 Putin and Shoigu identify and solve problems in clearing bottlenecks with weapons, production is being established, production is increasing
    7 Putin openly stated that Odessa is a Russian city, and the minimum program (2024-2025) is the Black Sea region up to Tiraspol and all of Ukraine up to Zhitomir, how long will it take? There will be as much as needed, beyond Zhitomir there will be Lviv and Uzhgorod, everything has its time
    1. -1
      20 December 2023 13: 05
      2 the slow advance is caused by Putin’s order to protect personnel so that more of our hero fighters return home

      Where do you think more Germans died? During the slow advance near Verdun in WWII or in the WWII blitzkrieg?
      1. +1
        20 December 2023 21: 02
        take care of the hero fighters? and who then liberated Kharkov, Krasny Liman, Kherson, Bucha and other settlements left by agreement, who stood in Kiev, because these cities and towns will have to be taken back and not by robots, and these are losses that they don’t tell us about!
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    3. -1
      20 December 2023 20: 56
      The retirement age has not increased either, or it’s not harmful to dream!
  20. +5
    20 December 2023 14: 19
    popular German publication BILD

    ...the most yellow and stupid publication in Germany, but unfortunately, very popular for the stupid German Russophobic!
    But I’ll tell you, not all of my fellow countrymen are Russophobes! I communicate with many smart people who wish Russia VICTORY!!!
    1. -1
      20 December 2023 16: 40
      If a German wishes victory to a non-German, then it is definitely not a German. 5 column. I can imagine what the Central Asian “brothers” write to their friends on the Internet.
  21. +2
    20 December 2023 15: 46
    What is Odessa like there?!. In Kyiv, Christmas festivities will soon begin, concert halls are opening, nightclubs are open. Yesterday a passenger plane took off from Boryspil, they are seriously thinking about resuming football matches with spectators. What, we can’t penetrate Kuyev’s air defense even with one missile?! Where are our vaunted daggers and Iskanders?! Are the American Patriots really that good, who covered the sky over the Kyiv region with just two complexes?! The Americans or Israelis, in response to terrorist acts, would instantly destroy at least the Main Intelligence Directorate building in Kyiv, not to mention other important objects. And here we are daydreaming about Odessa... With such a strategy, you may not lose in this war, but it is impossible to win...
  22. 0
    20 December 2023 18: 59
    Well, again fortune telling on beer caps, why share the skin of an unkilled bear - it’s easier to rob it.
  23. +3
    20 December 2023 20: 14
    Under this government there will not be much progress; there will be, as before, a creeping offensive on the defensive, i.e. digging in manure! This vertical did not even admit that we are at war with the entire West and did not introduce martial law, and its political task is the disposal of horny boobies and the disposal of old Western equipment, which is beneficial to Western partners, since its disposal will cost them a pretty penny! It seems to me that this land in Ukraine is generally being liberated for the Khazar Kaganate of Jews from Israel!
  24. 0
    20 December 2023 20: 43
    Fortune telling on coffee grounds. And everything doesn’t depend on us. If the Ukrainians and Romanian Moldovans launch a coordinated attack on Transnistria, we will automatically enter there through Odessa, Kherson and Nikolaev with thousands of casualties of our soldiers.
    1. -1
      22 December 2023 23: 14
      We won’t have time, we won’t get there now, so we won’t go.
  25. +1
    22 December 2023 13: 24
    Hello Sergey Morzhetsky! I read your opus (I’m over 70 years old, so let’s get started). I haven’t visited your channel for a long time, but I see that your style has not changed. You didn’t write the main thing, or rather you didn’t take it into account; in order to implement those grandiose plans of yours, Ukraine needs the military! There is still little hope for robots. But there are just not enough military personnel, catastrophically! Odessa and Nikolaev will definitely be taken, you correctly noted that Ukraine, and especially the United States, without access to the sea, is not interesting to the West! I saved your "prophetic" opus. I’ll end with this: we’ll wait and see!
    Say hello to your friends R. Skomorokhov and A. Staver. And “turn on” me in “Military Review”.
  26. +1
    22 December 2023 23: 12
    Why don’t we liberate the Russian city of Odessa and Nikolaev and deprive the Nazis of the sea, what a stupid question?! Americans and impudent people, other NATO, always bring ships and planes, UAVs under this piece of the outskirts Black Sea, like the crests allowed it! And there is a constant threat to Crimea from there. Again, we need to help Transnistria by removing the outskirts layer of Banderaites between us.