Matte black Shahed-238: will the Geranium jet get new capabilities?

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According to the results research, conducted by the telegram channel “Military Informant” based on open Ukrainian sources, since the beginning of the Northern Military District, the Russian army has launched over 3000 kamikaze drones of the Shahed-136/Geran-2 type toward the enemy. Every month, on average, the Russian Armed Forces launch just under 200 unmanned aerial vehicles on their first and last flight.

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We have already touched on the topic of the rapid evolution of Russian attack drones earlier, telling about the emergence of a new generation of “Geraniums” equipped with a jet engine. Comments in the spirit of the fact that the author, so-and-so, as well as the honored military pilot Major General Popov, are allegedly unable to distinguish between the “Lancet” with a warhead of 3-5 kg ​​and the “Geranium” with half a centner of explosives, let them remain on the conscience of those , who writes something like this without understanding the issue at all.



In this publication, I would like to talk in more detail about why the designers needed to create a technically advanced, but complex and expensive version of the Geranium with a jet engine. What is this - an initiative of engineers or a vital necessity?

As has already been noted more than once, the appearance of budget kamikaze drones of Iranian origin in the Russian Armed Forces last summer was a very unpleasant surprise for the enemy, and not only for him. It turned out that neither the Ukrainian air defense/missile defense system nor our own were ready for small, low-speed targets flying at low altitude, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces began sending kamikaze drones towards Russian cities. The effect of combined attacks on the critical infrastructure of Nezalezhnaya at first was such that ideas even began to arise to create a “million-strong air army” consisting of primitive attack drones that could clog any air defense system with massive attacks, and then systematically destroy all critical enemy infrastructure. However, this state of affairs could not continue indefinitely.

Initially, the Ukrainian Armed Forces tried to knock the Geraniums off the ground with machine gun and machine gun fire. If modern air forces were armed with light turboprop attack aircraft like the Brazilian EMB-314 Super Tucano, slow-moving drones approaching a target at predetermined coordinates would be an easy target for them. But what is not there is not there, and therefore the “Western partners” had to transfer various NATO-style air defense systems to Ukraine. And they work, but the cost of an anti-aircraft missile can be an order of magnitude higher than the kamikaze drone on which it has to be spent. Economy war begins to work not in favor of the defending side, and this must be taken advantage of.

It should be taken into account that the military installations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are covered to the maximum extent possible, so Geraniums have to be used primarily on critical infrastructure or dual-use facilities. And this is where something very interesting begins. The most massive air strike since the summer of 2022 using kamikaze drones was carried out on November 25, 2023. The main application point was Kyiv and the Kiev region. There is no exact data on the defeats, since the Zelensky regime prefers to hide the truth, reporting the interception of all/almost all “Geraniums,” but the fire on the other side was significant. It is reported that Russian attack UAVs attacked in swarms, approaching targets from different directions in waves.

We were attracted by the way these drones were described in Ukrainian sources. The Geraniums that attacked Kyiv were black because they were made of carbon fiber, which absorbs radar signals, making it difficult for air defense to operate. The drone's propulsion system has been changed to be less noisy, the control system is completely tied to GLONASS, and the warhead has been increased from 50 to 60-70 kg. What does this clearly deeply modernized drone resemble?

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On November 19, 2023, Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei visited the University of Aerospace Sciences and of technologies "Ashura" in Tehran, where he was presented with samples of the most modern and promising weapons. Among other things, three models of the Shahed-238 attack UAV, which is clearly a development of the Shahed-136, and therefore the half-brother of our Geranium, attracted attention.


The Iranian drone is built according to a “tailless” design with a pronounced fuselage, smoothly coupled with a delta wing. The power plant was replaced from a “moped” one to a more powerful small-sized turbojet engine. All three models are finished in a stylish matte black color, which suggests the use of anti-radar coating to reduce radar signature. Even more interesting is their supposed filling.

American profile publication The Drive считаетthat the first Shahed-238 model can be equipped with an anti-radar homing head to suppress/destroy enemy air defense systems (SEAD/DEAD). In the second version, the drone can carry an active radar seeker, which would allow it to hit even moving targets if it has a recognition system. In the third, the drone is equipped with an electro-optical/infrared guidance system. Western experts are speculating whether a passive infrared sensor is used to autonomously detect heat sources, or a man-in-the-loop system is used, in which an operator uses video from the sensor to guide the UAV to a target.

The updated Iranian drone can be launched from a pickup truck using a disposable launch vehicle. In a video from the tests, the Americans examined a spherical turret with an electro-optical sensor under the nose of the Shahed-238, concluding that the UAV can be used not only for strike purposes, but also for reconnaissance. Next, they asked a logical question: will these drones appear in Russia under the guise of “Geraniums”:

Much of the difficulty in countering the Shahed 131/136 comes from the fact that they are small and low flying and appear in significant numbers, while the Shahed 238 will be a difficult target due to its combination of small size, black paint and high speed. Since Ukraine relies heavily on drone search teams equipped with searchlights and rudimentary anti-aircraft guns to combat the Shahed threat, a faster kamikaze drone would pose a much greater challenge for these teams.

Even more advanced air defense systems will find it more difficult to counter the much more powerful Shaheds. Reducing reaction time will make them more difficult to destroy, especially when they are used in large numbers and are part of multi-layered attacks that can include both types of Shaheds, as well as cruise and ballistic missiles. At the same time, having different targeting options can make it difficult in some cases to defeat drones using non-kinetic means such as electronic jamming. Since Russia's arsenal of conventional cruise missiles appears to be exhausted, the more survivable Shahed would also help solve this problem at a fraction of the cost of a long-range missile.

As for the “exhaustion of the supply of cruise missiles”, let it remain on the conscience of American experts, but we can agree with their other conclusions. It is very likely that the newly-minted Shahed-238 is no longer an original Iranian development, but a product of deep cooperation between the Russian and Iranian military-industrial complex, built taking into account the experience of the Northern Military District, and we now know it as the “Geranium” with a turbojet engine. Anti-radar and reconnaissance-strike versions of these Russified drones will be extremely in demand at the front.
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  1. +2
    11 December 2023 12: 29
    There is no exact data on the defeats, since the Zelensky regime prefers to hide the truth, reporting the interception of all/almost all “Geraniums,” but the fire on the other side was significant. It is reported that Russian attack UAVs attacked in swarms, approaching targets from different directions in waves.

    I haven’t seen such information anywhere here either. If they really ruined something serious, they would brag about it on all channels, and since there is silence everywhere..... And what does the concept of “swarm” include? For me this is a hundred drones, but how many for the author?
  2. 0
    11 December 2023 13: 56
    Is the new Shahed a miracle weapon? Let's compare the weight of warheads: 122 mm high-explosive fragmentation, projectile - 21,76 kg, explosives 3,67 kg: "Caliber" warhead 200 - 450 kg, price 50 million; "Iskander" b/h 250-500 kg, price 400-500 million rubles. I haven’t looked at the price of the projectile, the price of the Shahed is unknown, and how many of them will be produced per month is also unknown. Now all countries are conducting research on how to deal with UAVs, which are essentially tactical weapons, and given their stealth and ease of launch, they also serve as a weapon of terror. Such weapons are capable of inflicting painful and unpleasant blows, but there is no need to place special hopes on this weapon, reconnaissance yes, but even reconnaissance alone is very good, plus as a constant irritant on the LBS it is capable of hitting both armored targets such as tanks and artillery systems, and carries a constant mortal threat to troops. But this is a theory, the true one is combat use.
  3. -5
    11 December 2023 14: 12
    A suicide car with a jet engine makes no sense; there are normal rockets for that.
  4. +1
    11 December 2023 18: 25
    We have already touched on the topic of the rapid evolution of Russian attack drones earlier, talking about the emergence of a new generation of “Geraniums” equipped with a jet engine. Comments in the spirit of the fact that the author, so-and-so, as well as the honored military pilot Major General Popov, are allegedly unable to distinguish between the “Lancet” with a warhead of 3-5 kg ​​and the “Geranium” with half a centner of explosives, let them remain on the conscience of those , who writes something like this without understanding the issue at all.

    Previously, Mr. Mister X entered into a clinch with us as crazy warriors, devoting a third of the text to the topic, now you too. The main thing is not to overdo it. We all love Mister X for his optimism and “militant” attitude against the armchair army. One can understand the man, he was fed up with this whole Nazi junta on his land and wanted it to be put in a position like a crawling cancer as quickly as possible. I apologize if I upset him and you by giving my assessments in your articles.
    But you have now presented arguments that were collected from Ukrainian channels, or maybe they, like you, have seen enough pictures, crying for the West to give them more weapons and dough, as they usually do. It is clear that we keep a lot of things secret, divulging tested developments is somehow not an idea and this plays into the hands of the enemy. It’s good that if this is so, and it’s possible, and I wouldn’t be surprised that Iranian specialists, together with ours, are testing the developments of their military-industrial complex, testing all this in real combat operations. If the Ukronatsik people are not crying in vain and this is true, then this can only make us happy. Let's see what happens next, and if this leads to our victory and reduces the losses of our guys, then this is a huge plus that will lead us to victory over the Nazis and our army will bring the moment of victory closer.
  5. 0
    11 December 2023 20: 39
    It seems the line between cruise missiles and drones is blurring. Of course, for different purposes at different distances, different missiles and UAVs are needed, and of different power. But both the price and the possibility of implementing mass production certainly matter. Jet engine good! But it’s better without an engine at all! It’s a joke, of course, but gliding bombs seem to be a worthwhile thing. The question is how much does a jet raise the price of a drone in correlation with efficiency.
  6. 0
    11 December 2023 23: 09
    Why immediately “pull up the ears” of “Russian-Iranian cooperation”? Iran has long been developing and producing UAV models in 2 versions..."propeller-piston" and jet! And the Iranians began to install seekers on the latest modifications of their more modern models, if the first modifications were without...! Just search the Internet for articles about Iranian drones! Often this “happened” even before the SVO!
  7. 0
    12 December 2023 02: 20
    A turbojet aircraft engine costs about 5000 bucks...
  8. 0
    12 December 2023 12: 51
    What to guess if the performance characteristics are secret.
    Logically, yes, he will, because... theoretically, a jet has more power... And the price
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  10. -1
    12 December 2023 19: 01
    By the way, about the black color.
    https://t.me/stranaua/132996

    During today's massive attack, the Russians used black and carbon-coated Shaheds. 
    This was stated by the speaker of the Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Yuri Ignat, during a telethon.
    “They have previously improved the UAVs that they received from Iran, and those that they make themselves, using composite materials for the reflective surface. Now we see that they used carbon material. Carbon, which is an absorbing material for radar signals, and black color - It’s clear why. This will complicate the work of air defense, namely the visual reference to the target of mobile fire groups,” he said.

    This message is dated November 25.11, 2023.
    Geranium, slightly modified. Not paint, composite material. We can do this now.
  11. -1
    12 December 2023 20: 05
    The above video is interesting not about the UAVs, about which nothing intelligible can be extracted from there (including because of the language), but because it clearly shows a hypersonic missile.
    Hypersound somehow simultaneously appeared (after us, of course) in China, Iran and the DPRK.
    Everyone is trying not to shine a light on him, but the Iranians decided to boast.
    Here you can see that the hypersonic part is planted as a warhead on the accelerating part of some, apparently already existing, not very long-range missile. Although it is not clear whether this is a scaled-down layout or a full-size one.
    Moreover, even the internal structure of the main warhead is shown.
    This is on the video from approximately 2.31.
  12. 0
    13 December 2023 20: 15
    Envy, simple American envy!
    It’s one thing to make large drones and make huge money on them, it’s another thing to make small and efficient drones.
  13. 0
    20 December 2023 17: 35
    On the topic "Geranium". Each weapon has its own purpose and its own niche in the weapon system. Today it is up to 70 km from LBS. high-precision guided artillery ammunition with a limited warhead is used. Next, existing high-precision large-caliber rockets are already used: MLRS and others used from self-propelled devices. (for now, their use is somewhat limited. Today, the niche of 100-200 km from the LBS is not covered by cheaper and sufficiently powerful warheads. The main problems remain: accurate guidance of ammunition to the target, the power of the warhead, the price indicator. In such situations it will be possible The optimal use of UAVs, such as Geranium-2, without engine modification.Modification: increase the starting jet engine (possibly powder) until the take-off is up to 8-10 km in altitude, and then planning is carried out for a target with a distance of up to 100 km or more, simultaneously with control from the ground (it may be necessary to use high-altitude repeaters). Today, price and mass are being introduced into the definition of weapons. These modernized Geraniums, with mass and low price for combat operations on LBS, may find their place.
    1. 0
      22 December 2023 21: 04
      Addition. For the modified Geranium-2 without propulsion, the launch and propulsion engines can use shells from the GRAD MLRS and others without warheads, that is, they are attached to the place of the starting starters and then provide thrust for lifting to great heights. Having worked, the MLRS projectile is dropped, and the controlled Geran-2 glides towards the target. As they say: it was smooth on paper, but there were roads and ravines. But such assembly of finished products seems cheap and effective.
      1. 0
        20 January 2024 23: 32
        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
        Having worked, the MLRS projectile is dropped, and the controlled Geran-2 glides towards the target.

        Why waste time on trifles? request Go crazy, to the fullest! fellow Let's replace the solid propellant rocket engine of the RS MLRS with a BPD (gasoline piston engine) or with a small-sized turbojet engine! These engines will launch the Geraniums, raise them to the required height... moreover, they will propel them to the first half of the journey! And then the engines will leave their “mothers”, release some bells and whistles, transforming into mini-drones of an aircraft or copter type, and fly back to the hut, using electric motors and a small battery, for example, for an additional climb, so that you can plan was ! Of course, in this case, “transforming” into aircraft-type drones may be the best option! “Queen geraniums” will then glide motionlessly, posing as gliding aerial bombs! Yes