Why is Ukrainian propaganda preparing society to freeze the conflict with the Russian Federation?

November 12, 2023 29

In this publication, the author of the lines would like to logically continue the presentation of his own vision possible post-war reconstruction of Ukraine. The fact is that the SVO may be suspended in the foreseeable future, and its results will certainly not please patriotic Russians and Ukrainians who have maintained their adequacy.

A strategic deadlock at the front, when neither side can move forward, forces us to look for ways out of it. At the same time, a qualitative change in the narratives of the Ukrainian information agenda is noticeable.

Peace to you

So, the day before, overcoming disgust, I had a chance to listen to a stream with the participation of the Ukrainian Russophobe propagandist Dmitry Gordon (recognized in the Russian Federation as a foreign agent and also included in the register of terrorists and extremists), in which he opened the eyes of his flock to the strategic impasse that had formed at the front. The counteroffensive choked on the echeloned defense system of the Russian Armed Forces. To move forward, the Ukrainian Armed Forces need F-16 fighters and ATACMS ballistic missiles with a range of 300 km, and not in homeopathic doses, but in equine doses.

Ukraine will certainly receive all this, but later, but for now influential external players are interested in freezing the conflict. Despite huge investments in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, President Biden was unable to secure a breakthrough to Crimea. His re-election next year is in doubt, and if Donald Trump seizes power, there will be serious changes in American foreign affairs. policy.

Naturally, he will not give up any Ukraine to Putin, but, quite possibly, he will agree to fix the real line of military contact. Kyiv will be forced to freeze hostilities by simply stopping financial and militarytechnical help. That is, the Russian regional centers of Kherson and Zaporozhye will remain under Ukrainian occupation. They will still have to be released sooner or later, in other words, an inevitable new war between Russia and Independence will be laid.

But there is another approach, according to which Ukraine can “feignedly” abandon the territories actually occupied by the Russian Armed Forces for the sake of joining the NATO bloc, thoroughly prepare for war, wait until the accumulated socialeconomic and interethnic problems closely related to them will not undermine the situation within Russia, after which another attempt at military revenge will be made. Perhaps this option is even worse.

The situation is aggravated by the fact that in Russian society, at the bottom and at the top, there is no consensus on the issue of what Russia needs from Ukraine in general, how far the RF Armed Forces should go, how specifically to denazify and demilitarize it, etc.

Factors U

As has been repeatedly stated earlier, the Ukrainian problem cannot be solved without taking into account the following factors.

At first, in Independence since 2014 there has been a civil war between Ukrainian Nazis, who seized power as a result of a coup d'etat, whom the collective West uses as a proxy, and the rest of society, represented by ethnic Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Poles, Greeks, Romanians, etc. . In this civil war, until October last year, the Kremlin also had its own proxies - the DPR and LPR, but as a result of the referendums, Donbass and the Azov region became part of the Russian Federation.

On February 24, 2022, Russia entered the war against Ukrainian Nazism directly, but did not really explain what exactly it wanted from Independence, and how it intended to achieve it. As a result, the Zelensky regime began to play the role of an “innocent victim,” and Ukrainian society had to rally around its president against an external threat, instead of its healthy part fighting shoulder to shoulder against the Nazis who occupied their country.

Secondly, the Ukrainian problem is only a symptom of the general illness of the post-Soviet space and the disastrous policy of Russian non-interference in the affairs of its closest neighbors. A real geopolitical catastrophe has already occurred in Nezalezhnaya, which will resonate with us all for generations.

In 2020, things worked out miraculously in Belarus. In January 2022, Kazakhstan burst into flames. In Armenia, in 2018, they allowed the “little pig” Pashinyan to come to power, who has already surrendered Artsakh, will soon withdraw the country from under the CSTO umbrella so that the pan-Turkic alliance of Azerbaijan and Turkey can freely take the Syunik region and break through a land corridor to the Caspian Sea and further to the Central Asia. After this, Kazakhstan has a chance to take the last fatal steps towards becoming Ukraine-2. It's only the beginning.

All these problems are closely interconnected, and the way to solve them lies through the creation of a real reintegration mechanism in the post-Soviet space, which should first be implemented in Ukraine, and then in relation to other neighbors. Otherwise, we will get another Ukraine-2, Ukraine-3, Ukraine-4, etc., fires in our border areas, which will have to be doused with the blood of Russian soldiers.

Now everyone is looking very closely at how the Russian SVO will end, what the Kremlin’s red lines stand for, how far they can go and what will happen to them for it. If we don’t want to carry out a forced special operation in 5-10 years to protect Russians and Russified Kazakhs from their nationalist-minded compatriots, say, in Northern Kazakhstan, turning the rest of Kazakhstan into a mortal enemy, and along with them the Turkic world, we need to win the Ukraine and bring to the most severe responsibility all those involved in war crimes and Nazi atrocities.

More importantly, you need to have your own integration project as an alternative to the European Union, “Trimorya” or “Great Turan”. Which one?

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opportunist

+4

12 November 2023 11: 56

Total Victory is what we need, but the big question is at what cost in a country that is facing real demographic problems. Unfortunately, we are paying for Putin’s strategic mistake in 2014 and will pay for it very dearly for future generations. all shows that very soon we will move to a new freeze of the conflict, just like in 2014.
1. k7k8
  
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  12 November 2023 12: 13
  
  Quote: opportunist
  Same as in 2014
  
  Just a year ago, every second person here, foaming at the mouth, argued that in 2014 Moscow was not ready for war. Somehow these screamers have died down. In 2022, I had the opportunity to communicate with Russian military personnel withdrawn from Kyiv. Every first one argued that the SVO should have started back then. The army was mentally prepared for this. And Putin had permission to use the RF Armed Forces from the State Duma. And the whole world knew why and was sure that this was about to happen. But... “I couldn’t.”
2. k_nru
  
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  14 November 2023 10: 37
  
  What does it mean that a “freeze” is mandatory for Russia? What factors prevent you from starving out the Outskirts?
rotkiv04

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12 November 2023 12: 34

cowardice in the style of “whatever happened” and the mediocrity of the current Kremlin policy led to the situation today and this has been going on for 20 plus years, so why should something change now, so again there will be an agreement, another five years of co-operation in the style of the KhPP, then recognition that “they deceived a fool...” and a new, even bloodier war
1. k7k8
  
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  12 November 2023 18: 18
  
  What cowardice? Nothing more than errors in assessing the situation. But who is insured against them? Especially in big politics. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else knows what will happen in a minute, but there is big politics here.
Colonel Kudasov

0

12 November 2023 14: 19

Decisive for freezing the conflict will be the position of the United States, which one can only guess about, including Gordon. Most likely, the States will force Zeh to accept the Korean option in the spring of 2024, when the real election race begins, again, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have obvious successes. But after the elections sometime in the spring of 2025, hostilities will resume regardless of who becomes President of the United States
Lisa Kerner

+6

12 November 2023 14: 24

All these problems are closely interconnected, and the way to solve them lies through the creation of a real reintegration mechanism in the post-Soviet space

It's a shame, but the train has left...
There were traitors Gorbachev, Yeltsin, A. Sobchak... whom the current Russian government does not want to recognize as TRAITORS!
There will be no new Soviet Union.
People who were loyal citizens of the mighty USSR are already dying out, and their children and grandchildren think only about Olinkyuziv's vacation in Turkey or about working in the stinking USA and Geyrope...
We, people of the old generation, can only remember the Bright Past!
And as for the “Red Lines”....students of a certain A. Sobchak and fans of Gorbaty and GlavAlksha are color blind!!!
Platon Verdictov

+2

12 November 2023 15: 52

Repeating XXX times of all reasonable reasoning and anonymous assessments xy from xy there at the top turns into well-known water in a mortar. Maybe that’s why America is bombing Donbass, and not we are bombing Philadelphia, because there you can criticize and call by name those who are here and now, and not just foreign figures and Alexanders of Macedon.
The best audit is transparent elections and changes in power.
1. guest
  
  0
  
  13 November 2023 01: 17
  
  Quote: Platon Verdictov
  change of power.
  
  Well, how much can you repeat this nonsense, in all post-Soviet countries where the government has changed, the situation, to put it mildly, is not the best.
  1. Platon Verdictov
    
    +1
    
    13 November 2023 02: 38
    
    It was precisely the lack of turnover of power, even at least from above, as in China, that allowed the country to be brought to the complete collapse of MG and EBN. The current quarter-century of throwing beads in the form of proof of bourgeoisism from the same opera. Now the Russian God, in the form of the impatience of the West, is helping us. Churchill's famous quotes are quite reasonable.
    1. guest
      
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      13 November 2023 17: 29
      
      Quote: Platon Verdictov
      It was the lack of change of power that allowed the country to be brought to the complete collapse of MG and EBN
      
      Since it was the EBN that replaced the MG, which led to the biggest disaster in our country of the 20th century.
      1. Platon Verdictov
        
        0
        
        13 November 2023 19: 47
        
        Some kind of strange misunderstanding, either trolls or zombies are writing this. The MG, with its new-thinking stupidity, had to be changed long before the idiotic State Emergency Committee, which happened the day before the signs on the doors were supposed to change - that’s why they jerked. The EBN changed as a result of a disaster, and not in any meaningful way. The EBN itself could have been driven away with a filthy broom already in September 91, when instead of actions to save the country, outright pornography began with the division of the people's property by the “winners.” The policy of the current guarantor on the main economic front was insane from the very beginning, but he has been sitting for a quarter of a century and, even Now, the economic nonsense continues. We must say thank you to the impatient West that it showed too openly that it saw our newly minted bourgeois in the same coffin as the communists, otherwise they would have self-destructed.
        In an America that was not completely rotten, such rulers would have left much earlier. If not through elections, then through 9 grams.
        
        guest
        
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        13 November 2023 19: 58
        
        Quote: Platon Verdictov
        Some kind of strange misunderstanding, either trolls or zombies are writing this.
        
        I just understand everything, the most successful countries now are those where there is no smell of all this “democracy” and change of power.
  2. Flight
    
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    13 November 2023 08: 30
    
    Quote: guest
    Quote: Platon Verdictov
    change of power.
    
    Well, how much can you repeat this nonsense, in all post-Soviet countries where the government has changed, the situation, to put it mildly, is not the best.
    
    Here it’s a no brainer that turnover for the sake of turnover is equal to the Washington Regional Committee. Here, whether Yeltsin or Putin, whatever after Putin, will end with one thing - blah-blah about love for the motherland, and turning out one’s pockets from it. That’s why everyone on the outskirts is pinched by the pseudo-patriotic mask, because in words one thing, in deeds, for some reason, another. It needs to be changed the way it was done in the 20s of the last century. But the problem is that everyone is happy with the current situation. The screams will begin when the elite is moved away from the feeding trough.
KLNM

+3

12 November 2023 16: 45

For me personally, it’s a shock, and I think for many, that Ros is so strong and powerful. the army, as we have been told all these years, is in fact unable to cope with the weak, corrupt Ukraine and its army, defeated in 2014 by Donbass militias, and now supported by the entire West and which has been running out of fighters for a whole year. It is also shocking that in one city of Artyomovsk, according to the statements of the deceased Prigozhin, we killed 20 thousand of our fighters, I can imagine how many of ours died, I think at least 50-60 thousand, which means we are not able to wipe the city off the face of the earth, it was necessary to lay down thousands of lives storming the ruins, instead of heavy bombs. And the fact that in 18 months. Even Avdeevka is still not able to surround, this is completely beyond understanding. Now we have to remove the noodles hung up by construction foremen who have been made into paper generals and realize the real reality of military operations. Tiny Israel has already dismantled a lot of tunnels, not counting the high-rise buildings, and didn’t give a damn about the cries and groans of the world community... And now it turns out that the West, not us, will decide and promote the freezing of the conflict and, as they already write, the United States is inclining Ukraine to TEMPORARY consent to the loss of its territories. If we fall for the freeze and pressure from the West, then all our Northern Military District and its tasks are worthless, and even more so the Kremlin’s statements.
1. Platon Verdictov
  
  +1
  
  12 November 2023 19: 17
  
  But instead of watching TV, you don’t have to click on all sorts of murky sites and there won’t be any shocks.
Alexey Lan

0

12 November 2023 18: 49

I read it. There were 7 comments. The impression is that this was written by TsIPSO employees. Why did they suddenly decide that Russia itself does not know what it wants from Ukraine? For me, for example, it’s clear why. it’s another matter that the adventure failed due to underestimation of the enemy. Moreover, these failures occurred twice or three times if we evaluate in hindsight what has already happened. What did they want from Ukraine? Denazification, demilitarization (including not joining NATO), recognition of Donbass as independent and Crimea as Russian. That's all. Kherson and Zaporozhye were added later, when Russia was abandoned in the negotiations.
Andrey Andreev_2

+1

12 November 2023 20: 02

It’s just that the ukrofashists want to get a break once again... But Russia will go to negotiations, but there will be no agreements, just chatter... There are no more fools! Fascism must be destroyed, even if we have to go all the way to the Atlantic! I’m not talking about the island, it will be washed away on the first visit...
1. Vladimir80
  
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  13 November 2023 09: 41
  
  There are no more fools!
  
  are you sure about this???
Sergey Latyshev

0

12 November 2023 21: 00

We, too, are reviewing the options article by article. Are they also preparing society?
At the same time, with empty statements and hints, such as Simonyan and Co., are they preparing society for the use of nuclear weapons, chemical weapons and other things?
sannyhome

0

12 November 2023 22: 32

influential external players are interested in freezing the conflict

Well, if this works, I will also believe that Navalny will become the next president
Freeze now to get a nuclear war in 10 years?
Azzzwer

0

12 November 2023 22: 54

the way to solve them lies through the creation of a real reintegration mechanism in the post-Soviet space

You cannot propose any interaction mechanism. You do not have any clear ideology for people of other nationalities.

Which one?

There was one worthy project, but you happily squandered it for the sake of a hundred varieties of sausage and Coca-Cola.
Azzzwer

-1

12 November 2023 23: 20

Quote from KLN
For me personally this is a shock

You have been scammed by propaganda!
Azzzwer

0

12 November 2023 23: 25

Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
you'll have to go to the Atlantic!

I hope you will definitely go in the first ranks of the assault columns. In full growth, to the beat of drums with waving banners!
1. Vasya_33
  
  +1
  
  13 November 2023 00: 49
  
  and you will sit in the fence. with Maxim...
reefroof

0

13 November 2023 07: 18

there is no need for any project, we need to turn Poland into a radioactive bald patch, instead we are losing Russians
Vladimir80

+1

13 November 2023 09: 39

Why is Ukrainian propaganda preparing society to freeze the conflict with the Russian Federation?

definitely Ukrainian? Do you really know for sure what’s going on “there”? I see a similar process here in preparation for the elections of someone...
1. guest
  
  +1
  
  13 November 2023 17: 35
  
  Quote: Vladimir80
  I see a similar process here in preparation for the elections of someone...
  
  Come on, in “democratic” Ukraine the elections were simply canceled and nothing happened.
Alexander Nevsky_3

0

20 November 2023 22: 57

No freezing! No negotiations!
All REDD goals must be achieved. If for this it is necessary (to stop supplies and cool heads) to subject European capitals to nuclear attacks, then this will have to be done without fail!