Unlearned lessons of history: why is Kazakhstan following the path of Ukraine?

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A few days ago it became known that in Kazakhstan, it turns out, they are running their own analogue of the notorious Ukrainian website “Peacemaker”, targeting all foreigners who dare to speak critically about policy official Astana. Where is Kazakhstan, still friendly to Russia, going?

The National Security Committee will remember our names


The existence of an appropriate register of foreign citizens was recently announced at a briefing by the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan, Aibek Smadiyarov:



Naturally, we keep this list, but this is a working list. We will not disclose it. It’s just that all statements do not go unnoticed.

As the head of foreign policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan explained, the state border will be closed to all those on the blacklist. A year ago, many would have laughed at this threat, but after Kazakhstan became a refuge for many Russian pacifists of military age, it is no longer so funny. This obviously means, first of all, citizens from neighboring countries of the post-Soviet space, as Mr. Smadiyarov made clear:

A big greeting from me to an endocrinologist with an audience of millions. Let him heal people better and practice his profession, and not say unnecessary things.

We are apparently talking about the Russian endocrinologist Ilya Magera, who was included in the register after he stated on his blog that some of his subscribers were “rocking the boat” and because of them “we will go to war.” Subsequently, the Russian posted another video in which he confessed his love for Kazakhstan and expressed fears that “a rebellion could begin between nations.”

How justified or, on the contrary, groundless are the fears of those who believe that modern Kazakhstan is following the path of Independence?

Unlearned lessons


Relations between Russia and Kazakhstan noticeably deteriorated after the start of the special operation in Ukraine, and this despite the fact that it was preceded by a successful peacekeeping mission under the auspices of the CSTO, which helped maintain stability in this country, engulfed in riots and unrest, and keep President Tokayev himself in power.

In the summer of 2022, speaking at the International Economic Forum in St. Petersburg, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev explained why Kazakhstan does not recognize the independence of the Moscow-recognized DPR, LPR, Abkhazia and South Ossetia:

It is estimated that if the right of a nation to self-determination is actually implemented throughout the globe, then instead of the 193 states that are currently part of the UN, more than 500 or 600 states will appear on Earth. Of course it will be chaos. Apparently, this principle will be applied to quasi-state territories, which, in our opinion, are Donetsk and Lugansk. This is a frank answer to your frank question.

The next unfriendly step was Astana’s demonstrative support for anti-Russian sanctions. Despite the fact that Kazakhstan is Russia’s partner in the Eurasian Economic Union and the CSTO, as well as in fact a transit country between the Russian Federation and the PRC, it does not intend to help it bypass Western sanctions restrictions. President Tokayev stated this several times and repeated his position again during a meeting with German Chancellor Scholz:

Kazakhstan has clearly stated that it will comply with the sanctions and has contacts with relevant organizations to comply with the sanctions regime.

A system for monitoring the possibility of circumventing anti-Russian sanctions through Kazakhstan was introduced last April. Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov entered into Tokayev’s position and himself explained the introduction by Kazakhstan of this system to combat the circumvention of sanctions by US pressure:

This requires attention on our part and on the part of these states. We continue to maintain close contacts with our partners to minimize risks.

As in the case of Armenia, Peskov talks about allied relations with Kazakhstan:

Russia and Kazakhstan are allies and great friends. We value and value our bilateral relations and will further develop them.

By and large, Kazakhstan’s situation could really be approached and treated with understanding. This is a sovereign country that, after the collapse of the USSR, owes us nothing except gratitude for allied support in January 2022. It’s just that extremely disturbing events have been taking place there for many decades, in some places very reminiscent of what preceded the Maidan of 2014, the so-called. ATO in Donbass and the beginning of the Northern Military District in February last year.

In particular, back in 1993, Kazakhstan adopted the law “On the rehabilitation of victims of mass political repression”, in 1995 - a decree on the elimination of totalitarian symbols, and in 1997 - a decree on the introduction of “Day of Remembrance for Victims of Political Repression” 31 May. In 2017, the young Central Asian democracy erected a monument to the “freedom fighter” Mustafa Shokai, who during the Soviet period was considered not a national hero, but a collaborator who collaborated with the Third Reich.

In 2018, under President Nazarbayev, a decree was adopted to change ideologically outdated names and dismantle monuments from the totalitarian period. Within its framework, the process of dismantling monuments to Lenin and renaming streets with Soviet names is underway. At the beginning of 2023, Deputy Prime Minister of Kazakhstan Altai Kulginov announced that, as part of the implementation of this decree, until 2025, the country’s leadership would change the “outdated names” of 3 thousand settlements and streets.

Back in November 2020, by decree of President Tokayev, a state commission was created for the final rehabilitation of victims of political repressions of 1918-1953, within the framework of which thousands of those who were not previously subject to rehabilitation have already been acquitted: Basmachi, participants in kulak uprisings, terrorists, spies, as well as collaborators from among the leaders and militants of the Turkestan Legion of the Wehrmacht and Muslim units of the SS.

And now next year, 2024, an updated seven-volume edition of the history of Kazakhstan entitled “History of Kazakhstan from ancient times to the present day” will be released. It smelled like “ancient Ukrainians,” and for good reason. There will be presented A New Look Central Asian democracy on the history of the Soviet period, in particular, the famine report will be taken not from 1932-1933, as in Ukraine with its evil tales about the “Holodomor,” but directly from 1917. Altyn Ualtaeva, head of the center for the development of a new academic publication of Kazakh history, dotted all the i’s:

The policies of the totalitarian regime contributed to the final degradation of the system of Kazakh society.

These are bare facts, and our readers will be able to draw their own conclusions.
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  1. -2
    6 October 2023 17: 32
    Well, good. So the candidate showed up for the next SVO. The Kazakhs will have more valuable natural resources than Ukraine. And there are fewer Kazakhs themselves. And they never had statehood at all. All the trump cards are in our hands. In my mind, I should have started with them.
    1. -5
      7 October 2023 10: 46
      “Dear armchair analyst” Try sticking your paws into Kazakhstan. The entire Muslim world will fight for Kazakhstan
      1. 0
        7 October 2023 11: 45
        And the Chechen, Dagestan, Tatar brigades will go there in the first ranks)
      2. 0
        7 October 2023 20: 13
        What?? Why did your Aulstan surrender to the Muslims? Yes, Muslims will only be happy to tear it into several pieces. And the Kazakhs are considered munafiks, which they are. So if you are not ready for war, then it is better to go straight to the Uzbek brothers.
      3. 0
        8 October 2023 13: 22
        Why did this steppe, which the Kazakhs themselves called “hungry”, surrender to someone?
    2. -3
      7 October 2023 12: 59
      But for SVO you still need a reason. The main reason for the SVO in Ukraine is NATO, and not the Maidan or the oppression of Russians. The same applies to Kazakhstan. And we need to tell the Kazakhs straight away: there will be NATO, there will be biological laboratories, we will come with horseback and weapons. And you can respond to their sanctions with your own sanctions. As for the Russians, let them come to Russia. Most have already moved. There is little left. See statistics.
      1. +3
        7 October 2023 15: 16
        Come on - NATO)) Is this normal for Finns in NATO 100 km from St. Petersburg? wink The President said that the main thing is to protect Russians in Donbass and Lugansk from oppression. And we will protect you in Kazakhstan! We don’t abandon our own!
      2. 0
        7 October 2023 17: 29
        The main reason for the SVO in Ukraine is NATO,

        Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania have been in NATO for a long time. And what? Did the Volga flow in the opposite direction?
    3. +1
      8 October 2023 07: 41
      Abramovich doesn't have enough for a yacht or what? laughing

      Russia has plenty of its own resources, which go anywhere, just not for the prosperity of the peoples of Russia, among which, by the way, are almost 600 Kazakhs...
  2. +6
    6 October 2023 18: 29
    When a large state loses its influence among its small neighbors, then the only reproach is towards the large state. In another country, they would be looking for the culprits of all this. We are simply watching the events passing by us. All obstacles can be eliminated. We just have to try.
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  3. +7
    6 October 2023 18: 45
    There is no need to blame the mirror. For all these departures of the former republics of the USSR from the Russian Federation, the main culprit is the politics of the Russian Federation, and in particular, the people sitting in leadership positions, whose main desire for decades was personal enrichment. We have many of our own millionaires with families and children abroad (even colonels with millions of dollars under their beds), but we do not have friend countries, because combining work for the state and robbing the state in order to emigrate are incompatible concepts. Either one or the other, unfortunately the second was more common, and here are the results. Conclusions: the roots of the disease are within the state, and there is nothing to blame for the Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians and others; the Russian policy pursued has pushed away and given the enemies the opportunity to win over all these new states. Russian politicians have reached the point where they have to fight wars: Georgia, Ukraine, and then it looks like Moldova...
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  4. +2
    6 October 2023 18: 49
    The situation in Kazakhstan now is like it once was in the army: a strong sergeant is okay, a weak sergeant is a mess... - this is my personal opinion..
  5. -1
    6 October 2023 19: 08
    If we bring order everywhere, we will definitely get Ukraine are everywhere. We have enough ability to protect our borders, we can conduct profitable trade, just like China does. Well, who is not with us and even against us, adios! Flag in hand.
    1. +1
      8 October 2023 07: 55
      you cannot conduct effective trade like China...China PRODUCES goods, and Russia is simply plundered as a colony. this is a crime against future generations, not effective trade
  6. 0
    6 October 2023 19: 29
    In 1991, a coup was carried out in the Soviet Union and its liquidation was organized. The head of the republic, Nazarbayev, took an active part in this crime, and Tokayev is his successor, whatever you want. Kazakhstan, as a union republic of the USSR, appeared in 1936, when the Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of 1922 was no longer in force. Kazakhstan never had statehood before 1991; it is an artificial formation on Russian lands. The “elite” of Kazakhstan has only one way out to maintain power: to be under the roof of Russia’s enemies.
    1. +5
      7 October 2023 10: 19
      The head of the republic Nazarbayev took an active part in this crime,

      Nothing.
      Nazarbayev was offended that he was not even invited to Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
      Russia declared its sovereignty on June 12, 1990 (current Russia Day), and Kazakhstan on December 16, 1991, a year and a half later.
      So who “committed the crime” first?
      1. -2
        7 October 2023 12: 32
        Define. Who previously committed a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations, Yeltsin or Nazarbayev? Meaning. The authorities of the Russian Federation have not given and will not give a legal assessment of the events of the 1990s, because she herself is a participant or accomplice in those criminal events. After 32 years, a question arose. What to do and how to solve it. Come to terms with it. Demand the return of the stolen lands and wealth of the people. Punish the criminals. The SVO in Ukraine woke up the people.
        1. 0
          7 October 2023 17: 32
          I am stating facts, and you are engaged in demagoguery.
          PS Look up the meaning of the verb "stand up". Something else comes up, but not a question.
  7. +3
    6 October 2023 20: 47
    Unlearned lessons of history: why is Kazakhstan following the path of Ukraine?

    A herd of sheep led by a goat. which had to be handed over to the opposition... It would be better if Russia did not have such a “friend” than a puppet at hand... What is he trying to achieve? Hell knows...
    Just dare to blather against Russia, you’ll go live in a yurt...
    How fed up are these former allies, the bais and the sultans...
    1. +1
      8 October 2023 07: 57
      So maybe it’s necessary to call peoples as allies, and not Yanuks, Medvedchuks and other warriors???
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  9. +3
    6 October 2023 22: 43
    Most likely everything is simple. It is profitable for the top to follow this path and there is no need to invent anything yourself, the sovereign will tell you everything. And for the people, propaganda
  10. 0
    6 October 2023 23: 39
    Because Kazakhstan has no access to the seas, which makes them a third-rate country. Kazakhstan has a low level of education and a rapidly declining level of culture. There is no developed industry or research centers in Kazakhstan. They even buy gasoline and diesel from Russia. And the level of corruption is like in Ukraine. This country has no future, only slow decay.
    1. +1
      7 October 2023 12: 14
      Because Kazakhstan has no access to the seas

      At least look at the map, "geographer". Switzerland or Austria do not have access to the seas, but this means absolutely nothing.
      1. +1
        7 October 2023 17: 35
        As I understand it, the downvoters do not agree that Kazakhstan has access to the Caspian Sea. Well, here everyone is just what historians, geographers, and economists are.
    2. +1
      8 October 2023 08: 00
      They even buy gasoline and diesel from Russia.

      only for some reason gasoline is cheaper in Kazakhstan than in Russia...

      secondly, the presence of gasoline and diesel does not make Russia a developed industrial power... and the Northern Military District is the best confirmation of this... because without Soviet galoshes this whole adventure would have ended long ago and sadly...

      Before you analyze the decline of Kazakhstan, do you remember about the negative breakthroughs of Russia, which in three years lost TWO million of its indigenous population...or do you think that replacing Russians with illiterate migrants leads the country to prosperity?

      as the classic said:

      WHO ARE THE JUDGES???
  11. -1
    7 October 2023 03: 15
    Kazakhstan in search of its overlord. As an independent country it is insignificant. If they decide to help the Russians, problems will begin. It’s easier for them to infiltrate the Kazakhs. And the great Turan - well, look at the Turks with the Azeris and the Kazakhs. Could this be one people? Definitely not. And language is an acquired taste.
    1. +1
      8 October 2023 08: 06
      I don’t want to upset you, but the great Turan is not only about the Kazakhs... it’s also about the regions of Russia... Thanks to the defeat of Armenia, Turkey gains access to the Caspian Sea... and from the Caspian Sea you can move not only to Kazakhstan, but also to Kazan or Astrakhan for example...

      but why think about it...we’d rather point our fingers at the Kazakhs and Armenians
    2. 0
      8 October 2023 13: 27
      Well, they will be in this Turan, like the helots in Sparta.
  12. +5
    7 October 2023 03: 16
    Why is Kazakhstan following the path of Ukraine?

    perhaps only Kazakhstan?
    The policies of all governments of former Soviet republics are structured similarly, in some places more clearly, in others less so, in order to have their own gesheft with the Russian Federation
  13. 0
    7 October 2023 09: 36
    Tokayev feels like a lord who has the right to steal from his people. The owners of this British lackey help him in this. But he decided to maintain power in conditions where it was impossible to hide it so that no one would notice the theft by encouraging Nazism with the transition to outright fascism.
    1. +3
      7 October 2023 12: 19
      "Bai" graduated from MGIMO at one time. Wasn’t it there that he became a “British lackey”?
      Pardon me, there he became both a “Nazi” and a “fascist” at the same time :))
      Some people like to use strong words here. They know that they will not be held accountable for their rotten market. But in vain.
  14. 0
    7 October 2023 10: 10
    How justified or, on the contrary, groundless are the fears of those who believe that modern Kazakhstan is following the path of Independence?

    But doesn’t the Russian Federation do the same?
    Most recently, Moldovans expelled a journalist from Moldova for “interfering in internal affairs.” Russia, as a retaliatory measure, blocked the entry of some Moldovan figures (a whole list).
    Is modern Russia following the path of Independence?
    Each country does what it sees fit. You have to get used to this and not get excited here because of such little things.

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  15. +1
    7 October 2023 10: 42
    We need to keep a notebook with a list of all Russian cities in Kazakhstan that are waiting to return to their native harbor.
    1. 0
      7 October 2023 12: 22
      Sevastopol was already returned in 2014, and now the Russian Black Sea Fleet had to be transferred to Novorossiysk.
      That's the whole "harbour" for you.

      And in those “Russian cities” there are probably no Russian people left.
      1. +4
        7 October 2023 14: 03
        It’s really epic: the Russian Black Sea Fleet was stationed in Ukrainian Sevastopol from 1991 to 2014, that is, 23 years, even though problems arose, and after 9 years it redeployed from Russian Sevastopol almost in its entirety, and it is unclear whether it will be able to return.
        1. +2
          7 October 2023 14: 55
          You don’t understand multi-moves and cunning plans, oh... you deceived me again
      2. +4
        8 October 2023 08: 17
        it’s not about some Russianness... the Kazakh people were a worthy representative of the family of Soviet peoples... and fought courageously for THEIR Fatherland... just remember that the Panfilov division, which means about a third consisted of ethnic Kazakhs...

        If the current Russian Federation is unable to offer anything, not only to the Kazakhs, but even to its own population, which is rapidly dying out, then what kind of harbors is there any point in talking about...

        In addition to extinction, about a million young citizens fled from mobilization... the very same ones who were raised by this “spiritually strong” Russian Federation with its Urgants, Sobchak and other Slepakovs... the state itself has been teaching young people for 30 years that personal success is cool , and the public is a stupid “scoop”...what kind of future can we talk about when some die at the front, others have left...Are Kyrgyz women giving birth to Russians here? or Chechens?

        While at the helm of Russia there are people with narrow oligarchic interests, while prime ministers tell teachers that they should work for a bowl of stew, and if you don’t like it, leave, while bureaucrats are not responsible for “the state did not ask you to give birth,” what kind of Russia does it even make sense to talk about? ??
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  17. 0
    7 October 2023 12: 21
    History's Unlearned Lessons and Why

    I think these are the key words in the title of the article - the answer is hidden in them. Everything that happened yesterday is already history, and we are raking up the retribution for yesterday’s deeds, or not, today. The country's chief lawyer recently said: “the Armenian people themselves are to blame for what happened” (Simonyan was probably offended, but didn’t show it) and I’m not talking about military force (although if you look forward; think, analyze, trying to foresee the course of history and competently have a smart approach to your backyard - then I think everything would not be so gloomy and tragic and there will be more, apparently something was missed since this article was published), soft power is also a strong thing, an example again is our backyard . It seems like you can’t dig into the words, but for some reason it’s offensive, probably because it’s somehow completely cynical. I would like to ask: Vladimir Vladimirovich, who is to blame for the “knife in the back”? That’s why the author, in the title of the article, seems to be telling us: in a quiet, insinuating voice, looking us straight into the eyes (in the words of electronics dealer Jeffrey Price, who illegally provides the opportunity to travel through time in the film “Men in Black 3”) - “jump, in time". Look for answers there.
    1. +2
      7 October 2023 16: 26
      The country's chief lawyer recently said: “the Armenian people themselves are to blame for what happened” (Simonyan was probably offended, but didn’t show it) and I’m not talking about military force (although if you look forward; think, analyze, trying to foresee the course of history and competently have a smart approach to your backyard - then I think everything would not be so gloomy and tragic and there will be more, apparently something was missed since this article was published), soft power is also a strong thing, an example again is our backyard . It seems like you can’t dig into the words, but for some reason it’s offensive, probably because it’s somehow completely cynical. I would like to ask: Vladimir Vladimirovich, who is to blame for the “knife in the back”?

      Who is guilty? There is definitely an answer to this and most people know the specific culprits. But everything is built in such a way that those who are trying to voice it are lying on their bunks, and some have already been buried. And the further into the forest, the more firewood. In the end, they may die, because they know that nothing will happen to them for this.
  18. +2
    7 October 2023 16: 30
    Quote: Strange guest
    And they never had statehood at all.

    What do you mean by statehood? Or do you not know history well?
    1. -3
      7 October 2023 17: 41
      What story? The history of the peoples of the former USSR?
      If you know her, then tell us briefly how the Kazakhs differ from the Kyrgyz?

      “due to” in this context is written separately.
      1. +1
        8 October 2023 08: 24
        in 1945 there were about 80 states in the world...now there are about 200...maybe it’s worth living in the present and not the past? You don’t pay tribute to the Mongol-Tatars just because Ivan Kalita paid...
    2. -2
      7 October 2023 20: 29
      What national state was there on the territory of residence of the Kazakhs before 1917? Russian empire? And before 1936? Autonomy within the RSFSR? I think I have answered the question about the nation state. Khrushchev gave up Crimea, and Stalin tore Kazakhstan away from the RSFSR. We just need to correct historical injustice. Do not count the nomadic hordes that turned to the Republic of Ingushetia with a request for protection and acceptance into the national states..))
      1. -1
        8 October 2023 08: 25
        Crimea was given to Yeltsin, not Khrushchev. the state of Ukraine was formed at the end of 1991, Khrushchev had long since died
      2. +1
        8 October 2023 13: 38
        The Russian Federation does not have the human resources for this, and will no longer have human resources, why go into these lifeless deserts to preserve and develop its own territories. Let the Asian bais rule there as they wish.
        1. -2
          8 October 2023 16: 27
          There are trillions of dollars worth of resources in these lifeless deserts. Historically belonging to Russia. Do the peoples of Russia think these trillions are like dirt? And these are decent pensions, excellent education and high-tech affordable medicine for the population!
          1. -1
            8 October 2023 18: 26
            Where did the last trillions go? There are no pensions, medicine, etc. These money will be taken to the damned West, an estate and a yacht will be built.
          2. 0
            8 October 2023 20: 32
            Historically belonging to Russia.

            From what year will we start counting “belonging to Russia”?
            1. 0
              9 October 2023 17: 35
              Since the 19th century. Well, not from Truvor and Sineus)
  19. -2
    7 October 2023 23: 27
    That's when you regret that the Russian Empire collapsed in 1917; there were no republics then, there was a whole unitary state. It was good, of course, not for everyone, but for other reasons, and the reasons were generally solvable. The government, of course, needed reorganization, but horrific bloodshed and terrible consequences would have been avoided. And there wouldn’t have been any of this Basmachiism in Asia and Ukraine...
    1. +1
      7 October 2023 23: 54
      The social system then needed reorganization. Pardon the pun, but the change of government in February did not change anything in the situation of the majority of the population. Hence the October Revolution. And the people were neither spiritual nor God-fearing. No matter how they tell us about “Holy Rus'”. Otherwise, they simply wouldn’t have rushed with such gusto to kill each other, churchmen and blow up churches.
      1. -3
        8 October 2023 01: 21
        It’s absolutely true that Russia then needed big changes, but who tried to minimize the costs of these changes? The situation in the country was very difficult, and the Russian rebellion was merciless and bloody. Now there are also quite a few difficulties, but Russia’s statehood dates back many centuries, and how old is the state of Kazakhstan?.. that’s why the Russian Federation can stand under the onslaught of the entire “civilized” West, but can Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Armenia survive... their former republics need help, but how to help if we don’t have enough influence on them, and the influence of the West on them is very great. We need to take very smart and quick measures, otherwise things can get very bad. We must hurry to make decisions.
        1. +2
          8 October 2023 08: 54
          Why should the West take away your “statehood” when they, through pseudo-Ylita, made Russia a colony?

          where are the children, grandchildren and mistresses of the authorities? where did Solovyov build his villa? excuse me, even actresses and athletes often give birth to children in the USA in order to ensure that they have the “correct” citizenship upon birth...

          The DPRK does not have statehood for many centuries, but for some reason they are not touched... maybe, besides these bonds, there is something else that makes a state a state?

          The US state has existed for as long as the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow... is it worth drawing conclusions about the inferiority of the American state on this basis?

          or another example: in recent years, the Armenians have also been convincing the Azerbaijanis that they are not real, all the cards they were shown (it must be said that they were more ancient than the one Zorkin carried to the Kremlin)... did these cards help them a lot???

          one must live in the present, and not remember about the ancient Armenian state or live in the “Tale of Bygone Years”...

          If not for Lenin, already in 1917, historical Russia would have been missing many lands...Kiev was returned to a single state by the Red Army and Bolshevik ideology, and not by the maps of the 17th centuries...as well as the rejection of ideology and replacement her nationalisms brought Kiev out of Russia...

          and yes, clashes between Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Nagorno-Karabakh began in the unitary Russian Empire:

          Armenian-Tatar massacre of 1905-1906 (Azerb. Erməni-azərbaycanlı qırğınları, Arm. Հայ-թաթարական ընդհարումներ) - bloody clashes in Transcaucasia between Armenians and Tatars (according to current terminology - Azerbaijanis, according to the terminology of that time and the 1897 census - “ Tatars”, the language was indicated as “Tatar”, later in the text of the article modern terminology is used - Azerbaijanis) during the 1905 revolution. The most violent clashes took place in Baku in February and August and in Nakhichevan in May 1905. According to American Azerbaijani Turkologist Tadeusz Świętochowski, during the clashes of 1905, about 158 ​​Azerbaijani and 128 Armenian settlements were destroyed and, according to various estimates, from 3 to 10 thousand people died.

          After the establishment of Soviet power in these territories, people lived peacefully until the collapse of the Union. From these lands of ancestry the famous commanders Marshal Bagramyan, Chief Marshal of the Armored Forces Babajanyan
          1. +1
            8 October 2023 13: 42
            Does Korea not have many centuries of statehood? Korean statehood has existed for thousands of years, according to Korean tradition since the 3rd millennium BC.
          2. +1
            8 October 2023 20: 36
            If not for Lenin, already in 1917, historical Russia would have been missing many lands.

            aaaahhhhhaaaaahhhhaaa ....................................
            Lenin's first decrees released Poland, Finland and the Baltic states to all four directions.
            Well, where else, except here, will you find such a number of “historyEGs”?
        2. -1
          8 October 2023 13: 10
          But will Armenia be able to withstand...

          The tribes that inhabited the state of Urartu participated in the ethnogenesis of the Armenians.
          In the 9th - 6th centuries BC. where was Russia with its centuries-old statehood?

          The Russian revolt is merciless and bloody.

          In 1381, the English roofer Wat Tyler rebelled quite bloodily, and he was defeated quite mercilessly.
          The English revolt after 1640 and the French revolt after 1789 were no less bloody and merciless than the Russian one.
  20. +4
    8 October 2023 02: 11
    Nursultan Abishevich is a great man - he created a state that never existed. These stupid jokes of our guarantor are cast in granite. For 30 years, all soft power was aimed at the stupid desire to become bourgeois for the West. The neighboring foreign countries were dealt with by narcissistic idiots like Surkov, who believed that an agreement on kickbacks with Petya Poroshenko and his Armenian and Kazakh counterparts would solve all the problems. We must say thank you to the West for the Ukrainian disdain, otherwise they would have been annihilated in pursuit of the chimera. To benefit the matter, we need to point out that we ourselves are doing things wrong, and explanations that everyone except our current employer are fruitless.
  21. +1
    8 October 2023 09: 28
    Here I agree with you - the elite of Kazakhstan has been in power for a long time, like ours, and is also robbing its people, like ours, but statehood in Russia is more stable than in Kazakhstan, therefore the viability of Russia is higher. And so that the Russian Federation does not become a colony of the West, the guarantor needs to be removed from power as much as possible. A census of the constitution under him is a crime! It’s a pity that deputy Tereshkova is still in her warm place after this - a disgrace! Where can we find an honest leader, uninfected by thoughts of enrichment - this is our big problem!
  22. 0
    8 October 2023 11: 28
    Why are our people so tolerant with the Kazakh leadership? Kazakhstan is clearly anti-Russian. We take all our Russian cities back, including the cosmodrome, the entire Caspian coast, and let Kazakhstan be left with nothing. It is thanks to Russia that today Kazakhstan has everything. If Russia had not existed, Kazakhstan probably would not have existed today.
    1. -2
      8 October 2023 13: 20
      Why are our people so tolerant with the Kazakh leadership?
      We are taking all our Russian cities back

      I have a little trouble speaking Russian.
      You just need to ask the cities and “the entire Caspian coast”, do they want to go to their “native harbor”?
      1. 0
        8 October 2023 16: 32
        But when we enter, hold a referendum, then we’ll find out.
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      8 October 2023 20: 28
      Elena, who's stopping? Go and take it - the cities, the coast, and don’t forget about the cosmodrome.
  23. +2
    8 October 2023 13: 20
    God bless them, so that they return to the pre-revolutionary order, with beys, shamans, without roads, hospitals, schools and universities, and let them talk about the “globe of Kazakhstan” as much as they want, let’s see how China reacts to this.
  24. 0
    8 October 2023 17: 28
    Quote: Nikolai Volkov
    I don’t want to upset you, but the great Turan is not only about the Kazakhs... it’s also about the regions of Russia... Thanks to the defeat of Armenia, Turkey gains access to the Caspian Sea... and from the Caspian Sea you can move not only to Kazakhstan, but also to Kazan or Astrakhan for example...

    but why think about it...we’d rather point our fingers at the Kazakhs and Armenians

    The Turks here, so you know, have been working hard for ten years now. Together with the Kazakhs, the same Armenians, and Azerbaijanis. Some even managed to freeze at work. And what’s surprising is that we perceive Armenians and Azerbaijanis in the same way - Caucasians, but Yakuts and Kazakhs differently. Therefore, the Greeks will be happy to bring the Turks to us. As they say, it’s not the place that makes the man... In order to organize a tour, you also need to ask the Iranians for permission.
  25. -1
    8 October 2023 17: 32
    Quote from Pat-Rick
    But will Armenia be able to withstand...

    The tribes that inhabited the state of Urartu participated in the ethnogenesis of the Armenians.
    In the 9th - 6th centuries BC. where was Russia with its centuries-old statehood?

    The Russian revolt is merciless and bloody.

    In 1381, the English roofer Wat Tyler rebelled quite bloodily, and he was defeated quite mercilessly.
    The English revolt after 1640 and the French revolt after 1789 were no less bloody and merciless than the Russian one.

    Well, just remember 1905.
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      8 October 2023 20: 40
      I can even mention Stenka Razin and Emelka Pugachev.
      This is clearly weak for you.
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        8 October 2023 21: 10
        Can you work on Saturdays? laughing
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  26. +1
    8 October 2023 17: 33
    The analogy with Ukraine is completely inappropriate. Kazakhstan merged with China. This explains it all. And the greyhound during the “peacekeeping mission”, and everything else. That is why Takaev is not at all afraid of any SVO.
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    10 October 2023 14: 19
    Quote from Pat-Rick
    I can even mention Stenka Razin and Emelka Pugachev.
    This is clearly weak for you.

    Remember. And eat well.