How Ukraine managed to squeeze the Russian Black Sea Fleet out of Sevastopol

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Information the transfer of a significant part of the naval personnel of the Russian Navy from the main base in Sevastopol to Novorossiysk and Feodosia caused a very hostile reaction from the patriotic public. There is no cunning plan in this; the decision is objectively forced. A fair question arises, what next?

crowding out


It is with great regret that we have to state that Ukraine has already, to a large extent, been able to fulfill its threat to remove the Russian Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol, which was one of the goals of the coup in 2014. In May of that year, Maurizio Blondet, an Italian journalist and publicist known for his attention to conspiracy theories, published an article containing the following facts and conclusions:



On February 22, the day Yanukovych was deprived of power, an American group of “airships” hastily enters the Black Sea through the Bosporus Strait. It was this fleet that was supposed to take the place of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at bases in Crimea. Secret Russian sources say to what extent the vital interests of Moscow were threatened, making it clear to us why Putin hastened to occupy Crimea and declare the peninsula Russian. He had irrefutable evidence that the coup d'etat carried out in Kiev in February of this year had a specific goal: to neutralize the Russian Black Sea Fleet based in Sevastopol and replace it with the US fleet.

As you know, according to the results of referendums held in March 2014, Crimea and Sevastopol became part of the Russian Federation, and our navy remained at its main base on the Black Sea, and a reserve base in Novorossiysk, which was prepared in advance in case of emergency , was not useful.

However, as it turned out, she was needed nine years later. Novorossiysk now houses two Project 11356 frigates, a patrol ship, five large landing craft and most of the small missile ships, as well as all the surviving Project 06363 Varshavyanka submarines. Two Project 12700 minesweepers, two small missile ships and one large landing ship were transferred to Feodosia from Sevastopol. The press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov refused to comment on this message, but did not deny it either.

They sailed and arrived


What happened is called dispersal in military parlance. In essence, it means a statement of the fact of squeezing the Russian Navy from the western part of the Black Sea to the eastern part. This did not happen overnight, but was a direct consequence of a whole series of negative events.

At first, the use of Neptune anti-ship missiles by the Ukrainian Armed Forces made the approach of Russian ships to the Ukrainian coast deadly dangerous. Kiev's receipt of the American Harpoon anti-ship missiles made an amphibious landing operation near Odessa extremely problematic without unacceptable losses, almost impossible.

Secondly, Ukraine's sudden acquisition of an entire mosquito fleet of maritime kamikaze drones has become a navigation problem in the Black Sea for Russian warships and civilian vessels. Enemy unmanned “fire ships” regularly attack not only surface ships, but also military infrastructure facilities of the Russian Navy in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk.

Thirdly, the Kiev regime has convincingly proven that it is capable of precisely hitting targets in Crimea with the help of British-French Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG cruise missiles, which caused severe damage to the large landing craft and diesel-electric submarines that were being repaired in Sevastopol.

Apparently, the transfer of the main personnel of the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk and Feodosia is connected with the receipt by the Ukrainian Armed Forces of American ATACMS ballistic missiles, which have a range of 300 km. The decision to disperse, therefore, is correct, but purely forced. However, soon another threat will arise before the Russian Black Sea Fleet, this time underwater.

Literally out of nowhere, Ukraine suddenly acquired an underwater kamikaze drone called “Marichka”. It's a cross between an unmanned mini-submarine and a huge remote-controlled torpedo. The length of the underwater drone is 6 meters, the diameter is 1 meter, the power plant is electric, and the range is up to 1 thousand kilometers. You can transport it from point A to point B, where it will be launched, using a regular trailer.

What makes the Marichka lethal is its warhead, which contains 200 kg of explosives. The cost of a disposable underwater drone is estimated at 430 thousand dollars, which is simply ridiculous compared to a warship. The Ukrainian military and British intelligence services convey their “ardent” greetings to the command of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.

In general, we have to admit that the situation in the Russian Crimea and the Russian Navy has deteriorated greatly. The trouble is that, no matter how hard you want, the problem cannot be resolved so easily with a snap of the Supreme’s fingers. Without a decisive offensive on the left bank of the former Independence and exit to the right bank The situation in the Black Sea for our country will continue to deteriorate. And such strategic operations require serious, lengthy preparation.
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  1. -8
    5 October 2023 16: 07
    The messages flooding social networks about the withdrawal of the main forces of the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol due to the threat of Ukrainian missile attacks are not true.

    Here the tactics are different, our ships do not stay at the pier for a long time, so that from a satellite or from a NATO reconnaissance drone it would be impossible to fix their location for hitting with missile weapons. Ships change berths, are on duty at sea according to schedule, and relocate

    even if a ship has made the transition to Feodosia or Novorossiysk, it is capable of striking the enemy in the northwestern military zone and from there.

    For attack missile ships and submarines, such movements provide secrecy, but at the same time do not affect the ability to launch missile strikes against the enemy

    Conclusions are drawn from fake....
    1. +6
      5 October 2023 18: 28
      Conclusions are drawn from fake....

      What is the essence of a fake?

      even if a ship has made the transition to Feodosia or Novorossiysk, it is capable of striking the enemy in the northwestern military zone and from there.

      And who can argue with this? The question is why he was taken away from Sevastopol right now.

      https://topcor.ru/39980-v-abhazii-pojavitsja-punkt-postojannogo-bazirovanija-vmf-rf.html
      Is that a fake too?
  2. +5
    5 October 2023 16: 12
    everything that I predicted is coming true, I wrote that large ships have nothing to do on closed seas, that we need PLO aviation, minesweepers, karakurt PLO, PMO helicopters... and not only I wrote this, all adequate specialists wrote, namely, these ships and planes should catch enemy drones, mines.... but the General Staff of the Navy preferred to invest in UDC.... and on the Internet I heard so many insults from sectarians of cruisers, battleships, super destroyers and aircraft carriers,..... but now we’re biting our elbows



    Today, when it is obvious to everyone that frigates on a closed sea are of no use, they are discussing where to get frigates for the Black Sea Fleet? The wise man learns from the mistakes of others, the wise man learns from his own, and the stupid man does not learn from his own.
    https://topwar.ru/227317-gde-vzjat-fregaty-dlja-chernogo-morja.html
    1. +11
      5 October 2023 16: 29
      It is not ships and drones that need to be squeezed out, but Ukrainians away from the Black Sea coast. hi
      1. +2
        6 October 2023 07: 41
        this is true, obviously we need to liberate Odessa, but we need means of searching and destroying drones and submarines of the enemy, no matter who he turns out to be
      2. 0
        13 October 2023 21: 58
        This will not solve the problem completely. We must not forget that the war is not with Ukraine, but with the entire Western world. Who will stop you from launching underwater drones from a passing cargo ship, and so on down the list... It is necessary to completely revise all the rules for the protection and defense of the coast and bases. When capturing the coast, we have only one advantage - the impossibility of launching cruise missile strikes against sea targets (provided that the distance from the water's edge to the enemy is at least 300 km)
    2. 0
      13 October 2023 16: 58
      People like you in the 30s of the last century already built hundreds of torpedo boats and coastal mini-submarines... and then it turned out that there was nothing to escort ships with troops... as a result, the USSR leaked the war in Spain, and you shot people like that... From the Black Sea to Syria is the shortest road...and there is nothing to do there with boats, larger ships are needed there...And about Moscow and 11356...Moscow was last relatively decently repaired and slightly modernized back in 1999, through the efforts of the former Mayor of Moscow Yu. Luzhkov... 11356 was built in such a budget version, so their air defense is inferior to the Talvar-class frigates that the Russian Federation built for India... Someone in Moscow decided to save on the fleet by building cheaper ships, due to their deterioration combat qualities, this is the ENTIRE problem, not the frigates... The Kremlin will never understand that they need to save on the Chubais, Medinskys, Narusovs and Abramovichs, and not on the army and navy of the Russian Federation, that is the ENTIRE problem
  3. -4
    5 October 2023 16: 24
    oui les lignes rouges sont franchies à savoir l'utilisation des scalp storm shadow et taurus. oui ces armes ces missiles de croisières peuvent transporter des ogives à rendement massif dépassant plusieurs milliers de fois Hiroshima. j'espère qu'éloigner les navires c'est pour mieux protéger d'une éventuelle faible réplique une fois les centers de décisions évaporés dans des amas de gaz en déphases gravitationnelles et photoniques.
  4. -7
    5 October 2023 16: 32
    Yes, you can at least capture all of Ukraine, the “Ukrainian resistance” will launch water drones from Turkey and that’s all.
    1. +3
      5 October 2023 16: 33
      maybe you wanted to say from Canada and Argentina? laughing
    2. -1
      6 October 2023 16: 13
      Don’t talk ridiculous nonsense, Turkey doesn’t need this for nothing, don’t exaggerate your importance, which tends to zero, very soon you will feel it in your own skin!!!
  5. -5
    5 October 2023 17: 51
    Another pull of the “donkey by the ears.” The Black Sea Fleet has always been based not only in Sevastopol, but also in other naval bases and PBs. If two frigates and one TFR stood up against the wall in Novorossiysk, this does not mean that the fleet left Sevastopol. Submarines have always been based in Novorossiysk, and not in Sevastopol. The BDKs that came from the Northern Fleet and Baltic Fleet are based in Novorossiysk. Patrol ships 22160, MRK, MPK, minesweepers. The basing of ships was resumed in Feodosia. When maintaining a database, there is such a thing as dispersal of forces and means.
    1. +7
      5 October 2023 18: 27
      Another pull of the “donkey by the ears”

      When maintaining a database, there is such a thing as dispersal of forces and means.

      Well, yes, less than a year and a half has passed, and three ships have not been lost forever. Yes

      The BDKs that came from the Northern Fleet and Baltic Fleet are based in Novorossiysk. Patrol ships 22160, MRK, MPK, minesweepers. The basing of ships was resumed in Feodosia.

      Is it a coincidence that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have received or are about to receive ballistic missiles in addition to cruise missiles? Don't think. wink
    2. +2
      6 October 2023 08: 57
      Submarines have always been based in Novorossiysk, and not in Sevastopol.

      It’s not true, infrastructure was created for submarines in Novorossiysk and they were formally listed as Novorossiysk, but they were stationed in Sevastopol and left first.

      If two frigates and one TFR stood up against the wall in Novorossiysk, this does not mean that the fleet left Sevastopol.

      Please information about what, in addition to 3 submarines, left Sevastopol and what remains:

      Western reconnaissance satellites brought extremely unpleasant news. Their photographs, taken on October 1 and 2, 2023 and only made public last Wednesday, show that the main warships of our Black Sea Fleet have left Sevastopol. And partly they moved to Novorossiysk, and partly to Feodosia. The saddest thing is that the enemy forced us to this redeployment, which significantly complicates the performance of combat missions by the Black Sea troops.

      Judging by space images, Novorossiysk is now becoming the actual main base of the Black Sea Fleet for an indefinite period of time. It was to its berths that both of our remaining Project 11356 multi-purpose frigates on the Black Sea, Admiral Makarov and Admiral Essen, just moved from Sevastopol (the third ship of this series, Admiral Grigorovich, went to Kaliningrad for repairs). The Project 1135 M patrol ship Ladny now stands next to them.

      In other words: out of harm’s way from Crimea, to Novorossiysk, everything that remained of the very powerful 30th division of surface (formerly anti-submarine) ships of the Black Sea Fleet during the Soviet era was sent. Back in Novorossiysk, judging by the photographs, we hastily redeployed five large landing ships and the main staff of the 41st missile boat brigade. The basis of its combat power is the recently built four small missile ships of Project 21631 Buyan-M and the first small missile ship in the Black Sea Fleet, Cyclone (Project 22800 Karakurt), which has just completed the stage of state testing.
      Judging by the same foreign “pictures”, another large landing ship and both new Project 12700 Alexandrite-type minesweepers of the 150th tactical group of mine-sweeping ships (Georgiy Kurbatov and Vladimir Emelyanov) were sent to Feodosia from the main fleet base. ).
      Talking about this sudden “great migration” of Black Sea residents, the Russian website bmpd, published under the auspices of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), asks a sad question: “Who was left in the shop?” That is, in Sevastopol?

      If we talk about the ship's composition, then we have almost nothing left there. Except maybe three old, old small anti-submarine ships of Project 1124 (“Aleksandrovets”, “Suzdalets” and “Muromets”) and a couple of “ancient” minesweepers (“Ivan Golubets” and “Kovrovets”) of the 69th Water District Security Brigade. Moreover, anti-sabotage boats of the “Rook” type, patrolling the outer roadstead of Sevastopol and controlling the entrance to its Northern Bay.

      Everything, as they say: “The calculation is over!”

      But in general, all of the above means that the Black Sea Fleet, under enemy pressure, actually left its main base for a while
      1. -3
        6 October 2023 10: 13
        Don't tell stories. Since Soviet times, Alrosa was based in Sevastopol, and new submarines were all based in Novorossiysk. All these are 3 boats (one damaged and being repaired), the other 3 boats are based in the Khmeimim naval base.
        1. +2
          6 October 2023 13: 42
          Don't tell fairy tales. Yes, nominally the diesel-electric submarine brigade was based in Novorossiysk, there was infrastructure for them, but in fact 3 “Varshavyankas” were stationed at the piers of Sevastopol, there are satellite images on VO. We left for Novorossiysk first.

          All three diesel-electric submarines of Project 636.3 “Varshavyanka” that have remained in service on the Black Sea - B-262 "Stary Oskol", B-271 "Kolpino" and B-268 "Veliky Novgorod" - have also moved to the Kuban coast.

          All are part of the 4th separate submarine brigade of the Black Sea Fleet, already formally assigned to Novorossiysk. But in fact, from the beginning of the special operation, the entire ship personnel of the 4th separate brigade stood at the piers of Sevastopol. Because it was there that he loaded the Caliber cruise missiles, which regularly struck targets on Ukrainian territory.

          Alas, now only half of the submarines of this formation are able to do the same. Because the three other Russian “Varshavyankas” are not helping us in this matter today in the Black Sea.

          In detail: B-261 “Novorossiysk” has been undergoing repairs in Kronstadt since October last year. B-265 “Krasnodar” in the singular has been carrying out combat service in the Mediterranean Sea (in Tartus, Syria) for several years now without a change (there is no one to change it! And the straits are closed by the Turks). And the B-237 “Rostov-on-Don” was forced to remain in Sevastopol. Because it has no move. Two weeks ago (September 22), while undergoing repairs at the local Sevmorzavod dock, the B-237 received heavy damage to its hull as a result of a Ukrainian attack on the city with Ukrainian Storm Shadow cruise missiles.
  6. -3
    6 October 2023 08: 37
    it means a statement of the fact of the squeezing of the Russian Navy from the western part of the Black Sea to the eastern.

    And who can now prevent NATO ships from occupying Sevastopol, covering “grain caravans” and seaborne arms deliveries to Ukraine?
    1. 0
      6 October 2023 16: 17
      In words it’s all easy, but in reality, let them try.
  7. +3
    6 October 2023 09: 13
    We chewed snot, chewed snot, and continued to chew. We will soon move to Abkhazia.
    1. +1
      6 October 2023 18: 22
      Quote: An K-s
      We chewed snot, chewed snot, and continued to chew. We will soon move to Abkhazia.

      You are late, the base point in Abkhazia has already been announced...
  8. -4
    6 October 2023 09: 54
    You don’t understand anything about the martial art of the Supreme - everything is carefully conceived and it should be so, in 100 years you will understand how brilliant he is!
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  9. +2
    6 October 2023 10: 10
    Not true.
    Ukraine didn't have to squeeze the Russian Black Sea Fleet out of Sevastopol.
    He himself squeezed out.
    Ukraine only fired a few times.
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  11. -4
    6 October 2023 12: 00
    “With a snap of the fingers of the Supreme,” everything can be resolved. Nuclear weapons. Only it won't click.
    1. -2
      6 October 2023 13: 23
      A new military base would be built in Novorossiysk if the Black Sea Fleet had to be withdrawn from Sevastopol. And what’s wrong with that part of the fleet, namely the submarines, was taken there? Part of the fleet remained. in the Sevastopol.
      Article on the topic, “Everything is lost.” We will all die tomorrow, I’m not tired of writing all sorts of crap based on the usual current relocations of ships from one place to another. All these underwater drones are considered the same torpedoes and are detected by the same means on ships and submarines. Marichka is not a Ukrainian, but an American drone with a Ukrainian name, but it has a lot of its own problems with reaching the target and identifying it. and the tests are not completed.
      (Americans). About half a year ago, they even had an article in the press. The press is silent about what became the center of the press, but nothing good.

      They made an aerial drone with AI to improve guidance and target identification, praised it, and even invited the press to write about its success. They began to test it, and he took it and aimed himself, under the guidance of the AI, at its own control center.
      1. +5
        6 October 2023 14: 24
        And what’s wrong with that part of the fleet, namely the submarines, was taken there? Part of the fleet remained. in the Sevastopol.

        What matters is what went and what remained. There remain 3 small anti-submarine ships with a displacement of 1000 tons, and 2 minesweepers VI - 800 tons. The youngest of these ships was accepted into the fleet forty years ago. They left it for people like you: “Part of the fleet did not leave Sevastopol,” and so that they could fight with Ukrainian submarines.
      2. -2
        6 October 2023 16: 22
        It is useless to prove anything to these stubborn TsIPSO morons until they themselves are directly affected by all this, nothing will reach this riffraff.
  12. +4
    6 October 2023 13: 16
    Now it is obvious to everyone that the Russian Black Sea Fleet is not able to suppress the military infrastructure of the Odessa coast, who would have thought. Particular helplessness was manifested when the cruiser Moscow was stationed in that region and instead of ironing the bander on the coast, they stupidly picked their nose and got hit...
    1. 0
      7 October 2023 06: 50
      How could he “iron”? The capabilities of ships of this project to “work” against the shore are close to zero. So yes, the cruiser was just showing the flag there so that our admirals would not be scolded for passivity.
  13. +3
    6 October 2023 13: 31
    What happened is called dispersal in military parlance. In essence, it means a statement of the fact of squeezing the Russian Navy from the western part of the Black Sea to the eastern part.

    And politically this is the demilitarization of Crimea by Ukraine, to which (demilitarization) Russia was unable to oppose anything. The Black Sea Fleet is obviously until the end of the Northern Military District, i.e. until the Greek calendar, he will not return to Sevastopol. And most likely it will not return at all, unless Ukraine and the West capitulate.

    On February 22, the day Yanukovych was deprived of power, an American group of “airships” hastily enters the Black Sea through the Bosporus Strait. It was this fleet that was supposed to take the place of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at bases in Crimea.

    Was the United States going to expel the Black Sea Fleet by force? Is this a war? Rave. I generally doubt that the United States was going to place a base of some kind of 8th fleet in Sevastopol and keep a lot of ships there. The United States has no bases either in Constanta or Varna. But there is a Montreux convention. In addition, proximity to the enemy for a naval base is not an advantage, but a disadvantage. What Russia had the opportunity to verify.

    In general, we have to admit that the situation in the Russian Crimea and the Russian Navy has deteriorated greatly.

    Why? The Black Sea Fleet did not control the western part of the Black Sea. The most valuable ships: 2 frigates and more, were hiding in the Sevastopol Bay. Now they are hiding in Novorossiysk Bay, from which they will operate further away, but the ship is designed to sail far and for a long time. This is a huge loss of image, another retreat, with no hope of return. The second Kherson, even worse, we didn’t have Kherson until 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX, and the Black Sea Fleet was stationed in Sevastopol. Another large-scale result of the SVO.

    Without a decisive offensive on the left bank of the former Independence and access to the right bank, the situation on the Black Sea for our country will continue to degrade. And such strategic operations require serious, lengthy preparation.

    There is not enough enthusiasm in the voice. And even then:
    We are for the territorial integrity of Ukraine...were....under certain conditions. (Lavrov UN). We are not against Ukraine joining the EEC (Putin Valdai 2023). So what does it feel like for turbopatriots to hear this? Going completely into an alternate reality?
  14. +2
    6 October 2023 15: 13
    Quote: assault 2019
    it means a statement of the fact of the squeezing of the Russian Navy from the western part of the Black Sea to the eastern.

    And who can now prevent NATO ships from occupying Sevastopol, covering “grain caravans” and seaborne arms deliveries to Ukraine?

    Are NATO ships impenetrable to missiles or unsinkable? What's stopping them is the same thing that's stopping us from taking Odessa from the sea.
  15. 0
    6 October 2023 15: 41
    5 BDK in Novorossiysk - loading of troops.
    The rest are a cover for DESO.
    Почему нет?
    The same is in Feodosia.
  16. 0
    6 October 2023 17: 31
    A bunch of sheep and traitors are contently rubbing their sweaty palms...
    And the fact that 5 large landing craft immediately arrived in Novorossiysk (another 1 in Feodosia) doesn’t mean anything?
  17. 0
    6 October 2023 18: 25
    There is one caveat: Novorossiysk is far from the most convenient port for basing...
  18. +5
    6 October 2023 20: 40
    The Russian military fleet as a whole is the weakest part of the Russian Armed Forces, and specifically the Black Sea Fleet is the weakest of all fleets.
  19. +1
    7 October 2023 03: 04
    I think that if Russia had abandoned its gentlemanly habits, the war would most likely have ended. And.... Stop hitting your limbs with a stick, it’s time to hit your head, and harder!
  20. +4
    7 October 2023 07: 50
    Wow...something new. Instead of "withdrawing to more advantageous positions", it is now called "dispersal". It’s surprising how captivity has not yet been called “indefinite stay under the control of armed partners”
  21. +1
    7 October 2023 16: 35
    How Ukraine managed to squeeze the Russian Black Sea Fleet out of Sevastopol

    All thanks to our partners. One was stabbed, the other was helped. They are such... fickle partners.
  22. +1
    8 October 2023 06: 35
    There are many reasons for the “redeployment” of the Black Sea Fleet, including the impunity of American UAVs plying along the Russian coast and targeting naval drones and boats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Having once refused to strictly suppress such flights, the Russian Federation exposed itself to attack, which is what we are seeing. Another reason is that immediately after the start of the Northern War, the Black Sea was not closed to ships of NATO countries and hostile states. We did not gain complete air supremacy, nor did we block the ports in Odessa and Ochakov. Now we are reaping the benefits.
  23. +1
    9 October 2023 11: 39
    Since 2014, Ukraine has made a sea of ​​statements about the mosquito fleet. To which our military laughed in response - what kind of mosquito fleet? We'll shoot him...
  24. +2
    9 October 2023 15: 18
    Quote: Sergey3939
    When maintaining a database, there is such a thing as dispersal of forces and means.

    Well, the databases have been going on for a long time, but have you decided to disperse them now? I'm talking about the ability to plan at our headquarters. Even Pavlov’s dog knew how to react to something. If everything was planned seriously (if it was truly planned), then the approach should be serious. Then the bridge wouldn’t have been blown up twice. There is a saying “if a person deceived you the first time, let him be ashamed, if a second time, let him be ashamed,” here it’s practically the same. Water drones have been known about for a long time. About rockets too. Especially about their characteristics. Analyzing the risks if you are a specialist is not a long task. If you are an expert...
  25. +1
    9 October 2023 15: 48
    Quote: svoroponov
    All these underwater drones are considered the same torpedoes and are detected by the same means on ships and submarines. Marichka is not a Ukrainian, but an American drone with a Ukrainian name, but it has a lot of its own problems with reaching the target and identifying it. and the tests are not completed.
    (Americans). About half a year ago, they even had an article in the press. The press is silent about what became the center of the press, but nothing good.

    They made an aerial drone with AI to improve guidance and target identification, praised it, and even invited the press to write about its success. They began to test it, and he took it and aimed himself, under the guidance of the AI, at its own control center.

    Such problems exist today, but not tomorrow. That's what testing and trials are for. But we don’t have the means to fight them today, and we won’t have them tomorrow, because we still have to create an idea, develop it, create a model, test it and put it into production! We're just falling behind! Also with analogues - there are none! And again, they need to be invented, created, tested and put into production. As fast as possible! I'm already tired of the hat-throwing moods. Everything is fine! It's not what you think! This is just a redeployment! They hit you in the face, and you got up and crossed the street... But no, this is certainly not what everyone thought! There’s just a lot to do at home, otherwise I would have stayed and given him sooo much in return! In order not to get punched in the face, you had to be prepared for this, otherwise it’s as if the SVO began yesterday.