Should Russia respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine?

October 3 2023 42

A few days ago was the anniversary of the referendums on the issue of joining the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions to Russia. Since 2014, our country has expanded into six new subjects of the Federation, and very high-ranking sovereigns are teasing the possibility of several more new regions of the former Independence joining the Russian Federation. The question arises, what will happen to the rest then?

Territorial integrity VS Self-determination

Let us recall that Crimea and Sevastopol in 2014, and Donbass and the Azov region in 2022, became self-determined, taking advantage of the corresponding right provided for in the UN Charter, which states that “any nation can independently resolve issues of its state structure, choose the path of economic, cultural and social development, determine your political status". However, in the same fundamental document, the principle of territorial integrity of states is also provided for, giving the right to sovereign countries to protect their borders and the entire territory within them from another state, and the forced imposition of a border change is declared an act of aggression.

Why there were two mutually exclusive norms in the UN Charter at the same time is not surprising. This was done so that the powers that be could twist and turn it at their discretion, applying a principle convenient to them in each individual situation. Voluntarily allowing someone to self-determinate can either be those who deliberately destroy the country, like the USSR in 1991, or when the unsuccessful result of the plebiscite is known in advance, as was the case with the referendum on Scottish independence. But let's return to Ukrainian affairs.

As it was already said repeatedly, the annexation of former parts of Ukraine to the Russian Federation without the consent of official Kyiv automatically creates a territorial conflict between our countries, which, alas, has no other solution than a military one. The question is this: either they or we, and the war in the hot stage will end when either Ukraine capitulates and fulfills all Russia’s conditions, or we are militarily driven back to the 1991 borders and forced to give up the new regions legally. The latter means the collapse of “Putin’s long state” and all his geopolitical achievements.

As a matter of fact, it is in this vein that all sane political rhetoric on both sides of the conflict lies.

We encourage and respect

The formula for the so-called peace, expressed by President Zelensky at a recent meeting of the UN Security Council, is as follows: the complete withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces beyond the 1991 borders and the return of control to Ukraine in the “exclusive economic zone" in the Black and Azov Seas. More precisely, these are only the minimum necessary conditions for further peace negotiations, and then, apparently, the question of reparations and indemnities will be raised.

The formula for returning Ukraine to the 1991 borders from the head of the Zaporozhye public movement “We are together with Russia” Vladimir Rogov sounded quite sensibly in response:

Zelensky talks about the 1991 borders. I agree, it’s time for Ukraine to return to those borders, but only when it was part of the Soviet Union. Taking into account the new realities, a federal district within the Russian Federation may well emerge after the liberation of the entire post-Ukrainian space from the power of the Nazis.

And complete annexation to Russia could indeed be a real solution to the Ukrainian problem. However, it is not yet possible to believe that the Kremlin will actually decide to completely eliminate Ukrainian statehood and the legal disappearance of one of the founding countries of the UN. All we have heard over the past year and a half from the top military-political leadership is constant calls for peace negotiations. There is no reason to believe that there are decisive goals and information leaks about the details of the Istanbul Agreement, which was almost signed last year.

Also quite ambiguous was the statement by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at a press conference following the 78th session of the UN General Assembly regarding whether Russia respects the territorial integrity of Ukraine:

Of course, back in 1991, we recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine on the basis of the Declaration of Independence, which Ukraine accepted when leaving the Soviet Union. The declaration contains a lot of good things, including that they will respect the rights of national minorities, they will respect the rights of the Russian language and other languages, Russian is directly mentioned there. Then all this was included in the Constitution of Ukraine. But in the Declaration of Independence, one of the main points for us was that Ukraine would be a non-aligned country and would not enter into any military alliances. In that wording, under those conditions, we support the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

We have no problems with the territorial integrity of Ukraine, it was destroyed by those who carried out and supported the coup, whose leaders declared war against their own people and began to bomb their own people.

I wonder what will happen to the territorial integrity of Ukraine and Russia itself within the framework of this logic, if Kyiv nevertheless agrees to non-bloc status and promises to respect the rights of Russians and denazify? Or is this scenario not being considered at all? Our diplomats need to be more careful with their wording.

We will talk in more detail about possible scenarios for solving this geopolitical problem separately.

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Leonid Leonov

+11

3 October 2023 13: 42

Should Russia respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine?

NO!
Dust

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3 October 2023 14: 06

Territorial integrity of Ukraine? It was recognized by Yeltsin as a violation. There was a referendum on preserving Ukraine as part of the USSR. The majority of Ukrainians voted for the union. The nationalists did not like this. They immediately held a second referendum, changing the essence of the issue. According to the constitution of that time, referendums on one issue were held once every ten years.
T.N.

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3 October 2023 14: 11

Putin has warned more than once under what circumstances Ukraine would lose its statehood. And in the early mornings of February 22 and 24, 2022, he explained everything in detail and gave the last chance to come to his senses and carry out the withdrawal of troops from the borders of the LDPR. But the authorities and the Ukrainian-Nazis were against it and themselves went to escalation. After all, they had an ATO, like decent ones, with the implication that they brought in the army against the terrorists. Although the terror was precisely from the Ukronazis, the SBU and the Main Intelligence Directorate will not let you lie. War is a way to change the regime to one loyal to Russia. KoZa wanted to break Putin’s regime with all his might. But this is unlikely. Now Ukraine is a bargaining chip without money, without independence, but with huge losses and dangerous ambitions.
1. Pembo
  
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  3 October 2023 18: 48
  
  And in the early mornings of February 22 and 24, 2022, he explained everything in detail and gave the last chance to come to his senses and carry out the withdrawal of troops from the borders of the LDPR.
  
  But didn’t Vladimir Vladimirovich demand that NATO come to its senses and move back to the 1997 borders? Did the Russian army really go to defend Donbass? She went to Kyiv, Kharkov and Odessa. 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX V.V. Putin clearly explained: denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, and whoever gets in the way will regret it.
  1. steelmaker
    
    +6
    
    3 October 2023 20: 22
    
    denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine
    
    At the recent economic forum, Putin never said these words! But there was a lot of talk about peace negotiations. Don't you know Putin? He wanted to give his word, he wanted to take it away - the pensioner will not be allowed to lie.
    1. imjarek
      
      0
      
      4 October 2023 21: 19
      
      Come on, I have already forgiven Putin for his pensions. Think about it, the SVO is coming. A century, perhaps, to remember? Communists, what a country they screwed up. After all, in fact, because of them (except Stalin) all the misfortunes of Russia. And comrade "Zyuga" began to swagger again. He will fight for power. To repeat 1991.
    2. Alexey Lan
      
      0
      
      5 October 2023 12: 55
      
      After the failure of negotiations with Kiev in 2022, the situation changed. However, our leadership is not talking about conquering all of Ukraine. This means that Ukraine will exist, and it will be hostile and most likely Nazi, but without any territories. We simply do not have sufficient forces to capture all of Ukraine. Well, accordingly, peace negotiations are also needed. The issue is territories and concessions.
rotkiv04

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3 October 2023 14: 20

Russia has one duty - to eliminate the outskirts as a state, this is a non-viable entity
1. guest
  
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  5 October 2023 00: 02
  
  Quote: rotkiv04
  Russia has one duty - to eliminate the outskirts as a state
  
  I completely agree with this, but not with the reason. If Ukraine is not liquidated, then Russia will have a constant terrorist threat at hand.
vlad127490

+1

3 October 2023 16: 39

Either five regions, then the whole of Ukraine should be annexed to the Russian Federation. The authorities of the Russian Federation have a plan, the process of military operations must go on without Victories and Defeats, and you all know how to win and annex. The authorities of the Russian Federation have a dream of how to return to former times.
Alexander Ra

+2

3 October 2023 17: 32

Should Russia respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine?

The question requires clarification of the concept of “Ukraine”. Modern education “Ukraine” is the result of centuries-old activity of the Anglo-Saxons to fragment the Slavs and Russians. This is luck and a victory for the “civilized”. In their opinion and in the opinion of the spiritually disfigured fellow tribesmen on the outskirts of our population, in the opinion of these “winners”, the loser Russia, or rather the Russian people, should not resist and respect! "territorial integrity of Ukraine". That is, come to terms with your defeat. It is important for us, first of all, to decide whether to resign ourselves to gnawing off a piece of our people? Only the doomed can come to terms with this. Healthy things strive for self-preservation, for regeneration. Therefore, one must protect one’s body in any territory; territory is an external condition. How to heal those who are spiritually crippled is another topic.
nikanikolich

-2

3 October 2023 18: 14

I may express a seditious thought, but the most important thing is that the leading sponsor of the war will be left with a big donut hole in his pocket
1. Carmela
  
  +1
  
  4 October 2023 12: 49
  
  Quote from nikanikolich
  the leading sponsor of the war will be left with a big donut hole in his pocket
  
  Never! They will find a way to rob someone.
unc-2

+2

3 October 2023 18: 15

To understand this issue, we must start from June 12, 1990. When the RSFSR, under the chairmanship of Yeltsin, declared the sovereignty of Russia. Then a wave of sovereignties followed. This was the beginning of the collapse of the USSR. On December 8, an agreement was signed in Belovezhye. Yeltsin and Burbulis signed on our side. Thus, Ukraine became an independent state on all maps. Even our close allies recognize this. You can argue as much as you like, but what is written with a pen cannot be cut out with an axe. You only have yourself to blame.
Pembo

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3 October 2023 20: 03

Let us recall that Crimea and Sevastopol in 2014, and Donbass and the Azov region in 2022, became self-determined, taking advantage of the corresponding right provided for in the UN Charter, which states that “any nation can independently resolve issues of its state structure, choose the path of economic, cultural and social development, determine their political status"

“Any NATION”, but the Kherson and Cossacks are not nations, they are residents of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, why does this point suddenly apply to them? I see a global solution to this problem as follows: “in order to give the matter at least a legitimate look and feel,” we cancel the results of voting in referendums in 6 new constituent entities of the Russian Federation and recognize them as part of Ukraine. Then we hold a referendum on the territory of Ukraine on Ukraine’s entry into Russia. At the same time, residents of Ukraine who are not lucky enough to live in the liberated territories can resort to remote voting. And when we count everything, I’m sure the majority of Ukrainians will vote for joining Russia. Ukrainians are a nation, they have the right! We have already successfully applied this method, albeit on a smaller scale. Almost the entire Zaporozhye region has been liberated from the Nazis with the exception of the Zaporozhye region. But in a referendum it is not square kilometers that vote, but people. And 54% of the population of the Zaporozhye region lives in the Zaporozhye region. They did not vote because they lived in territory controlled by Kyiv. And yet, the Zaporozhye region was accepted into Russia. No one, including our wonderful Duma in the first place, was bothered by the fact that, to put it mildly, not all residents of the Zaporozhye region could take part in the vote. So the vote on Ukraine in the Duma will go off with a bang.
One nuance - our turbo-patriots, judging by the comments on the site, have long given up on the Ukrainians, but here it turns out that the Ukrainian is not an enemy, but a full-fledged citizen of Russia, wow! And take it for twenty rubles.
steelmaker

+2

3 October 2023 20: 06

Should Russia respect.....

If they don't respect me, why should I? But for our government, “loot” is more important than respect. That’s why we’re debating about it and not.
1. imjarek
  
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  4 October 2023 21: 22
  
  Should - this is when you took a “borrow” and are going to give it back. Russia did not take anything from Ukraine.
strange guest

-1

3 October 2023 20: 12

I am surprised that we recognize Finland. This entity did not have statehood at all until Lenin’s decree. How legal is this decree? Power changed in the Russian Empire as a result of the October Maidan. Absolutely illegal, just like a coup in Ukraine. Accordingly, the decree on Finnish independence is absolutely illegal. The next NDF should be against the Finns - NATO cannot be tolerated 100 km from St. Petersburg.
1. whitebeard
  
  0
  
  4 October 2023 14: 58
  
  The power in the Republic of Ingushetia changed not because of the October Revolution, but because of the February Revolution, which, by the way, abolished the actual concept of the “Russian Empire”, and this was done by the forces of the Duma operating at that time, the current top-level government officials, and the same level of the military, who agreed with the need to dismantle the empire and transform Russia into a republic, and Emperor Nicholas voluntarily - albeit under pressure from the evidence of historical circumstances - signed a renunciation of imperial power. Those. all this happened with the approval of the broadest masses and elite groups.
  While OktPer was already a forceful usurpation of power by the Bolsheviks, who were small in number and influence, who were then able to retain power through terror.
  But the current Russian Federation cannot not recognize Lenin’s statutes, because it declared itself the legal successor of the USSR, and it was precisely created by Lenin and the Bolsheviks. At the same time, Finland already had broad autonomy and rights characteristic of a separate nation, even as part of the Republic of Ingushetia, starting in 1809. That is. Lenin in fact recognized the already obvious fact of the existence of the Finnish nation, but separately from the Russian state structures, which he then tried to change himself by supporting the Red Finns in 1918, during their civil war. And comrade Stalin also tried to abolish Finnish statehood, and also not entirely successfully, let’s say.
  1. strange guest
    
    -1
    
    4 October 2023 18: 08
    
    Nations - yes. But we also recognize the Kalmyks, for example, as a nation. But this does not mean that they have the right to their own statehood.
2. guest
  
  +1
  
  5 October 2023 00: 05
  
  Quote: Strange guest
  NATO cannot be tolerated 100 km from St. Petersburg.
  
  Late to drink Borjomi.
Flight

0

4 October 2023 00: 10

What is the official name of the Ukrainian state? Ukraine. So this is the name of the territory. And in this territory anything can happen.
Flight

+1

4 October 2023 00: 13

Quote: T.N.
Putin has warned more than once under what circumstances Ukraine would lose its statehood. And in the early mornings of February 22 and 24, 2022, he explained everything in detail and gave the last chance to come to his senses and carry out the withdrawal of troops from the borders of the LDPR. But the authorities and the Ukrainian-Nazis were against it and themselves went to escalation. After all, they had an ATO, like decent ones, with the implication that they brought in the army against the terrorists. Although the terror was precisely from the Ukronazis, the SBU and the Main Intelligence Directorate will not let you lie. War is a way to change the regime to one loyal to Russia. KoZa wanted to break Putin’s regime with all his might. But this is unlikely. Now Ukraine is a bargaining chip without money, without independence, but with huge losses and dangerous ambitions.

Putin keeps his word - he said that there will be no war, and there is none. But he didn’t say anything about special operations or about mobilization during a special operation.
https://youtube.com/shorts/XO3xkPrnh0k?si=2QIhTWfLbaqxehwr
DO

+1

4 October 2023 00: 41

The question is this: either they or we, and the war in the hot stage will end when either Ukraine capitulates and fulfills all Russia’s conditions, or we are militarily driven back to the 1991 borders and forced to give up the new regions legally. The latter means the collapse of “Putin’s long state” and all his geopolitical achievements.

Author, in the entire article this is the only correct and indisputable paragraph that adequately describes what has been happening for more than a year in the territory of the Northern Military District.
It makes no sense to argue whether this is good or bad today, after at least tens of thousands of human losses on both sides.
Potapov

0

4 October 2023 08: 30

Of course it should... And for the murders of fascists it is necessary to initiate criminal prosecution... We have prohibited the death penalty, so that the enemies of the people would not be caught... But what is worse, the fascists do not...
Antuan007

0

4 October 2023 09: 00

This territory was pushed into the UN through the efforts of Dzhugashvili and Molotov in order to strengthen the voting decisions of the USSR. Calling a republic within the USSR a country is extremely stupid. When leaving the USSR, the republic of the Ukrainian SSR did not comply with and violated all the rules for secession, and the referendum held with the aim of separating territories was illegal. There is no point in annexing the entire territory to Russia. Russia is getting headaches, extra mouths to feed, a population that is accustomed to jumping on the Maidans and doing nothing. A pro-Russian entity may well be created on the site of a former farm. But no industrialization, only agriculture and the complete orientation of the population towards agriculture. The integrity of former Russian lands as part of a farmstead, under yellow-blue rags is nonsense
prior

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4 October 2023 10: 24

Only the complete capitulation of Ukraine will put an end to the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
I think that Russia will respect the results of Ukraine’s capitulation.
Otherwise, this issue will not be resolved with respect in any way.
Everyone respects strength and victory.
Yaroslav the Wise

-1

4 October 2023 12: 37

Ukraine *missed* the possibility of reconciliation on the terms that were announced in 2022, at the very beginning of the Northeast Military District. Today is the end of 2023. For a year and a half, Ukraine, Europe and Western countries have made it clear to everyone that they cannot be trusted! No way. And not only verbal promises, but also documents with the signatures of the leaders of European and Western countries.

In this regard, in order to reconcile the parties, the Kremlin will have to put forward new conditions. Ukraine will either have to agree to them, or bury not only a good half of its Banderlogs, but also a good half of the country. The same half that still dreams of the EU and NATO. And with the funeral of these territories, no one will need Ukraine!
1. guest
  
  +1
  
  5 October 2023 00: 11
  
  Quote: Yaroslav the Wise
  In a year and a half Ukraine, Europe and Western countries have made it clear to everyone that they cannot be trusted!
  
  Only a year and a half? No, it all started much earlier, even when they deceived us in the 90s with the expansion of NATO, it was clear that we could not trust them, and after that there were a huge number of such cases.
2. Alexey Lan
  
  -1
  
  5 October 2023 13: 02
  
  After the failure of negotiations with Kiev in 2022, the situation changed. However, our leadership is not talking about conquering all of Ukraine. This means that Ukraine will exist, and it will be hostile and most likely Nazi, but without any territories. We simply do not have sufficient forces to capture all of Ukraine. Well, accordingly, peace negotiations are also needed. The issue is territories and concessions. If the NWO continues, and in a direction that is beneficial for us, then as punishment it is possible that Ukraine will also be “circumcised” at the expense of other territories. At least Putin talked about it.
  1. Flight
    
    +1
    
    6 October 2023 06: 05
    
    However, our leadership is not talking about conquering all of Ukraine.
    
    Well, it’s not ours, but rather not ours. Ours is not nice to our enemies.
Platon Verdictov

+4

4 October 2023 13: 09

In my opinion, the dream of becoming one of our own - bourgeoisie - is still not completely dead. Personnel who measure their well-being in green yards, a dollar for 1XX rubles. only for joy. Of course, they don’t talk about this openly, but many good and obvious options for naive, honest people disappear for this reason.
TsarBomba

-1

4 October 2023 23: 02

Doit-elle respecter l'intégrité physique des décideurs, des gouvernements hostiles? quel intérêt de neutraliser à la place des pauvres paysans ukrainiens et bientôt des femmes (entourés de cibles sans doute légitimes, mercenaires etc) ? question: les paysans ukrainiens sont-ils Slaves?
staer-62

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5 October 2023 06: 15

The territorial integrity of Russia is ensured exclusively by its army; no UN or any treaty will stop those, and there are many of them and they are ready, who want to destroy Russia. Therefore, all these references to the UN and others only work in polemics, but in practice, as soon as there is no army in Russia, Russia and its population will no longer exist. There is no respect for territorial integrity in the world; it’s all demagoguery. After the collapse or coup of the USSR, who respected the integrity of the country? Public opinion? Nobody. They respect strength and their own benefit.
Rhetorical Rita

+1

5 October 2023 11: 19

Has everyone already forgotten about Chechnya or was the author simply afraid to write? :)
Flight

0

6 October 2023 06: 07

Quote: TsarBomba
Doit-elle respecter l'intégrité physique des décideurs, des gouvernements hostiles? quel intérêt de neutraliser à la place des pauvres paysans ukrainiens et bientôt des femmes (entourés de cibles sans doute légitimes, mercenaires etc) ? question: les paysans ukrainiens sont-ils Slaves?

Are the French Celts?
Flight

+1

8 October 2023 04: 48

Quote: Alexey Lan
After the failure of negotiations with Kiev in 2022, the situation changed. However, our leadership is not talking about conquering all of Ukraine. This means that Ukraine will exist, and it will be hostile and most likely Nazi, but without any territories. We simply do not have sufficient forces to capture all of Ukraine. Well, accordingly, peace negotiations are also needed. The issue is territories and concessions. If the NWO continues, and in a direction that is beneficial for us, then as punishment it is possible that Ukraine will also be “circumcised” at the expense of other territories. At least Putin talked about it.

Is anyone else listening to what this balabol is talking about?
Kiril

0

8 October 2023 18: 54

How can you respect Ukraine and an integrity that does not belong to it?
Baltika3

0

9 October 2023 12: 29

What kind of question is that - of course it shouldn't. Russia must respect the territorial integrity of those countries from which it can be ragged.
Foe Pshekov

+1

9 October 2023 22: 29

Marzhetsky’s texts are immediately recognizable... It seems like our man, but he can compose something like this....
Everything is simpler. There is a map of the Russian Empire. There is a map of the USSR. The USSR (aka RI) did not lose any war to lose territory. The division of the USSR occurred in violation of all regulations and laws at that time.
In fact, you can simply nullify the ratification and recognition of the collapse of the USSR, and declare the entire territory of the USSR a single state. If someone is against it, then the planet will face a global nuclear conflict. With the radical and irrevocable destruction of everyone who is against the “return of the USSR” to the world map.
I think the Americans would not hesitate to make such a presentation to the world if necessary. So we have nothing to be ashamed of. The time has come to return the Russian Empire (USSR). And don’t bitch about the red button and the nuclear briefcase. Our cause is just and we will win!!!
Elena123

0

10 October 2023 10: 01

In no case. There was no such state as Ukraine, and Russia must correct the mistakes of the previous leadership, which allowed such a gross violation of the rights of the Russian people.
Ukraine must disappear as a state. By the way, we need to think about returning the land of the Russians, which the so-called Kazakhstan now owns.
isofat

0

11 October 2023 22: 50

Unintegrated Ukraine should have taken care of its integrity earlier, now even lawyers won’t help, alas.