Aviation, air defense and missiles: what would North Korea like to receive from Russia?

A few days ago, face-to-face negotiations between President Putin and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un took place, which took place in a friendly atmosphere. Now our Vladimir Vladimirovich is expected to pay a return visit to Pyongyang, and he has officially accepted the invitation. Relations between Russia and North Korea are clearly experiencing a real renaissance, but no specific cooperation agreements have been signed between our countries. Why?

A bomb like Kim's

To answer this question, it is necessary to understand what exactly Moscow and Pyongyang may need from each other. What do we need needed most now, after a year and a half, SVO is long-range artillery and ammunition for it, since shells are consumed in the steppes of Donbass and the Azov region every day in huge quantities, and the resource of available gun barrels is not unlimited.

By an amazing coincidence, the DPRK is one of the largest producers of artillery weapons and ammunition with Soviet “genes” and calibers suitable for the Russian army. Long-range MLRS and operational-tactical missiles would also be useful. Domestic industry would benefit from both North Korean-made machines and the hardworking and disciplined North Korean workers themselves.

This is what lies on the surface. What does Comrade Kim need from us that is not customary to talk about out loud?

Nothing personal

For a better understanding, it is necessary to determine the external threats facing small but proud North Korea. Its regional opponents are South Korea and Japan, and its strategic opponents are the United States of America. These are advanced technological powers with the most modern weapons.

Thus, the basis of Seoul's aviation strike force is the American fourth-generation KF-16C/D fighters, produced under license, as well as the F-15E fighter-bombers. The Japanese fly licensed F-15s and American fifth-generation F-35 fighters, of which as many as 147 have been ordered in the United States - 105 F-35A and 42 F-35B (SKVVP). Both Seoul and Tokyo have powerful naval forces and equally powerful anti-submarine aircraft. South Korean K2 “Black Panther” tanks belong to the third generation and are considered one of the best; the K239 Chunmoo MLRS are a direct analogue of the American HIMARS. And we only scratched the surface to understand the essence of the issue.

In general, the Republic of Korea and Japan represent a technologically advanced and dangerous rival for the DPRK. Pyongyang can reach Seoul or Tokyo with the help of its ballistic missiles equipped with nuclear warheads, but it cannot yet reach Washington. Based on the above, we can try to predict what exactly will become the subject of interest for Comrade Kim.

At first, this is modern aviation. The obsolete MiG-17, MiG-19, MiG-21 and MiG-23 fighters, as well as the relatively modern MiG-29, which form the basis of the DPRK Air Force, are not competitive with fourth- and even more so fifth-generation fighters, which are in service with South Korea and Japan.

Thus, attentive journalists noted that after the meeting with Vladimir Putin, the North Korean leader did not leave immediately, but headed to Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where he talked with Governor Degtyarev. Coincidentally, it is in this city that there is an aircraft manufacturing facility where Superjets are assembled, as well as 4++ generation fighters Su-35 and fifth generation Su-57.

Secondly, Comrade Kim should definitely be interested in modern air defense systems in order to have a more reliable air and missile defense umbrella over his country. North Korea operates its own analogues of our S-200 and S-300, but their tactical and technical characteristics are inferior to modern Russian air defense systems.

Thirdly, Pyongyang is objectively interested in improving the performance characteristics of its ballistic missiles so that they can reach US territory. This can be achieved in two ways: increasing the missile’s flight range or placing it on a mobile carrier such as a submarine.

Thus, during his visit to Russia, Comrade Kim showed interest in rocket technology and even received a glove from a spacesuit that had previously been in space as a gift from Vladimir Putin, which was confirmed by his press secretary Dmitry Peskov:

Indeed, there was an exchange of gifts. We prefer never to publicize this much. But indeed, President Putin gave the Korean leader a glove from a space suit that had been in space several times.

There are hints at the possibility of launching a North Korean astronaut into space, as well as the transfer of technology for launching satellites into orbit to the DPRK. Coincidence or not, it was precisely because of the testing of satellite launches that the collective West imposed sanctions on Pyongyang, since it uses the same technologies as the launch of ICBMs. As for submarines as carriers of ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads, the DPRK’s first, called “Hero Kim Gun Ok,” has already appeared. This is a huge step forward in ensuring the sovereignty of North Korea, but it should be borne in mind that this submarine is a variation on the theme of today's very outdated Soviet submarines.

Both the Republic of Korea and Japan, and even more so the United States, have very powerful anti-submarine forces, for which “Hero Kim Gun Ok” will not present much intrigue. It’s another matter if someone helps Pyongyang with technologies for the production of modern low-noise submarines, and even nuclear-powered ones, which Western and Eastern military experts are very afraid of.
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  1. new.ad Offline new.ad
    new.ad (Alexander Draka) 15 September 2023 14: 59
    The best thing is the Russian military base.
    1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 15 September 2023 22: 23
      There is no need for a Russian military base in the DPRK. The DPRK borders the Russian Federation, we are neighbors. From Vladivostok to the border with the DPRK 125 km. During the Soviet Union, many North Koreans worked in the Far East, USSR citizens traveled as tourists to the DPRK, this was the government of the Russian Federation in 1991. ruined the friendship.
  2. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 15 September 2023 15: 23
    The Juche people primarily need fuel and lubricants and fertilizers. Well - and the rest of the raw materials. And we have this in abundance, we don’t know what to do with it..
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 15 September 2023 16: 30
      You are right, the first they need are grains and hydrocarbons, the second are advanced weapons. For us, on the contrary, we need old weapons in large quantities. Mutually beneficial agreements are obvious, but why has “friendship” begun now? - US orders interfered with our “successful managers” living abroad...
  3. etoyavsemprivet Offline etoyavsemprivet
    etoyavsemprivet (It's me. Hello everyone.) 15 September 2023 21: 34
    Yes, Comrade Eun doesn’t need anything. He already has a weapon - a big heart that is not afraid of anything. The guy has only a few missiles and with this he puts the bolt on the Anglo-Saxons, the Japanese and all the riffraff like them. Because the Yankees are 100% sure that Brother Eun is asleep and sees the death of his enemies and will press the “Button” without any hesitation.
    1. Dima Offline Dima
      Dima (Dmitriy) 15 September 2023 22: 17
      Behind the big-hearted brow is little China. So that he can continue to put a bolt on every riffraff.
  4. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 15 September 2023 22: 13
    The comprador government and the fifth column of the Russian Federation will do everything to ensure that friendship between the DPRK and the Russian Federation does not work out. The North Koreans understand this and therefore everything is kept secret. The exchange of weapons for hydrocarbons, grain, and fertilizers is very profitable for both sides. The next step is to attract North Koreans to work in the Russian Federation. North Koreans are hardworking, efficient, honest, they don’t push marriage, and they are responsible. The hucksters of the Russian Federation will not be able to deceive the North Koreans, since the state is protecting them. The Kremlin will not involve military North Koreans in the North Korean Defense Forces; it is afraid that the North Koreans will attack and destroy the plan for the sluggish process of military operations. We have to wait. Who will win, the fifth column of the Russian Federation or the patriots of Russia?
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    2. Boa kaa Offline Boa kaa
      Boa kaa (Alexander) 18 September 2023 11: 54
      Quote: vlad127490
      The Kremlin will not invite military North Koreans to participate in the Northern Military District,

      It may be like this, or it may be different!
      What is bad about, for example, Korean snipers? What about drone operators? The engineering troops have many specialties: for example, the second stage of the BAM (parallel line) 5 full-fledged engineering railway brigades of the RF Armed Forces (formations, not production brigades from the plant!) pull day and night. Why shouldn’t your fellow ants take part in such a noble, creative cause? Again, the DPRK benefits: it is along this track that Russia will deliver grain and oil to them, for example!
      So, we need to look for mutually beneficial options for cooperation for the benefit of our countries. And it’s high time to spit on the western “partners”! A lot and from the heart!!!
  5. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 16 September 2023 01: 42
    The betrayal of the ideas of communism by the Soviet elite showed the essence of those two-faced figures who covered up their personal, marginal interests with the classics of Marxism-Leninism. And then he was surprised at the double standards of the world elites in relation to themselves. Currently, with the tenacity of some animals, they are trying to kindle the flames of a world war, but for what? Apparently, in order to promote their next wishes.
  6. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
    sH, arK 16 September 2023 08: 31
    The main thing worth negotiating is the restoration of “good” relations! Not only the comprador Russian “elite” and the authorities, who betrayed the interests of Russia throughout the 32 years of its existence, but also the communists, starting with Khrushchev, had rather strained relations with the DPRK.
    And Russia has something to help the DPRK, and Korea has something to help Russia, unlike any Tajiks, Kyrgyzstans and other Kazakhstans. My first mother-in-law was Korean, her mother received citizenship under Stalin, I know what I’m talking about! :)

    Russia will help primarily with grain, fuels and lubricants, and, yes, weapons, primarily aviation and air defense/missile defense systems, especially if we take into account the violation of the MTCR agreement - the ban on trade in products and technologies with a range of more than 300 km! And it has already been VIOLATED and more than once!!! So we can, with a “pure” heart, transfer to the DPRK a couple of dozen Topols and even with special warheads, the United States transferred Trident-2 missiles to Great Britain along with the MIRV and the W84 nuclear warhead, and I’m not even talking about all sorts of missiles supplied by the Brits and paddling pools to Durkaina !

    Korea can help us, first of all, with labor resources in the development of the Far East! And we can solve “minor” problems with artillery and ammunition ourselves, but if the DPRK helps, it will be a good initial push.
    1. Boa kaa Offline Boa kaa
      Boa kaa (Alexander) 18 September 2023 12: 10
      Quote: sH, arK
      The United States transferred Trident-2 missiles to Great Britain along with the RGChIN and the W84 nuclear warhead

      The states leased the carriers (Trident II, D-5), and the warheads of the SLBMs from the British were nationally developed. Yes, the Yankees helped them, but these are ENGLISH SBP.
      As for the W-84 nuclear warhead, it has nothing to do with the UK’s nuclear weapons. The W-84 is the head of the Tomahawk-type CRBM.

      W84 is an American thermonuclear warhead designed for use on the BGM-109G Gryphon Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM). It is a derivative of the B61 nuclear bomb and a close relative of the W80 warhead used in the AGM-86 ALCM, AGM-129 ACM and BGM-109 Tomahawk SLCM. The W84 is a two-stage radiation implosion warhead with variable yields ranging from 0,2 to 150 kilotons. The W84 was developed at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory based on the B61 nuclear bomb design developed at Los Alamos National Laboratory. This warhead has been in production since 1983.
  7. ont65 Offline ont65
    ont65 (Oleg) 16 September 2023 11: 51
    There are a ton of analysts working for the Kremlin, and Eun himself is capable of expressing wishes about areas, volumes, and so on. These things are always specific, but not everything is voiced, and only then does propaganda come into play, covering what is happening in a consistent light. There's no point in guessing by picking your nose.
  8. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 16 September 2023 11: 54
    Putin keeps telling us fairy tales about how he will refuse $. No matter what he did, he didn’t come out with education to win. If I had been smarter, I would have introduced barter for oil and gas long ago. At least with unfriendly countries. But we have to start somewhere. Let him start with the DPRK. They give us shells and weapons, and we give them food, air defense, and planes.
    1. Boa kaa Offline Boa kaa
      Boa kaa (Alexander) 18 September 2023 12: 33
      Quote: steel maker
      If I had been smarter, I would have introduced barter for oil and gas long ago.

      You are so smart!!!! It’s really creepy...You just can’t imagine (from too much education you have to assume) that a private company that produces CNC machines (machining centers) or produces microchips and computers, or software for them, has been crap on your harvests of wheat and other legumes for 1000 years ! along with oil and gas!!! They need dollars!
      Well, now “organize a barter”! The broom is in your hands... because you definitely can’t trust a sword - it’s as SMART as a duck, only you quack out of place. laughing

      Quote: steel maker
      Putin .. No matter what he did, he didn’t come out with education in order to win...

      A quirk worthy of the Guinness Book of Records!
      The CPSU, of course, is bullshit...no doubt about it. But I never recruited fools into the authorities! This is probably why even the Yankees openly recognize the outstanding abilities of our president! It’s clear that you are closer and dearer to FUCKING - he drinks, dances, urinates on the wheel of the presidential plane, conducts an orchestra if necessary... Well, why not an uneducated person! Obviously not equal to GDP...
      Here, alas and ah! - our views differ from yours. stop
      I am not satisfied with everything, but in general, with the current leader of the country. But there is no arguing about tastes... because “everyone understands the situation... to the extent of their depravity (education and intellect!).
      1. Flight Offline Flight
        Flight (voi) 19 September 2023 00: 52
        You are so smart!!!! It’s really creepy...You just can’t imagine (from too much education you have to assume) that a private company that produces CNC machines (machining centers) or produces microchips and computers, or software for them, has been crap on your harvests of wheat and other legumes for 1000 years ! along with oil and gas!!! They need dollars!
        Well, now “organize a barter”! The broom is in your hands... because you definitely can’t trust a sword - it’s as SMART as a duck, only you quack out of place.

        If we look closely at the past, we will see where GDP began in St. Petersburg, with the barter of strategic raw materials. So this stage has already been passed. Now it’s much more interesting to scam patriots for currencies. It was not for nothing that he amended the constitution, at the request of the working cosmonauts, regarding the inviolability of the person who had served as president.
  9. anyname Offline anyname
    anyname (any name) 16 September 2023 15: 00
    Why does North Korea need weapons? They rather need petroleum refineries to produce industrial oils, bitumen and factories for the production of steel pipes, wiring, insulation materials and plumbing fixtures. Factories for the production of construction and finishing materials, as well as furniture factories and chemical reagents for the furniture industry. Maybe a couple more power plants and fertilizer.

    The last thing they need is weapons.
  10. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 18 September 2023 02: 11
    Pyongyang should do one of two things: either help with the launches of North Korean satellites, or transmit information from the Russian ones to the DPRK. Kim probably evaluates the first option, since he inspected the Vostochny Cosmodrome. Launch technology cannot be transferred to North Korea
  11. TsarBomba Offline TsarBomba
    TsarBomba (Tsar bomb) Today, 16: 38
    un phaseur d'énergie sombre? un tunnelier "Hadès" ou appelé aussi "poséïdon des laves" et de roche plutonique directement sous/dans le Yellowstone?