What is the minimum program for concluding a truce between Russia and Ukraine

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If you carefully look at the Russian and foreign media, it becomes obvious that the general public is actively preparing for a truce between Russia and Ukraine. It is discussed under what conditions and within what boundaries the freezing of the armed conflict should take place, meaning, in fact, another "Minsk", the third in a row. If our government is ready to jump on the old rake again, then the question arises how civil society should react to this.

Goals and objectives


The author was inspired to write this article interview, given by Ukrainian sniper Konstantin Proshinsky, who hid his face, but not his first and last name, to Ukrainian political scientist and journalist Yuriy Romanenko, co-founder of the so-called Ukrainian Institute of the Future. IN news The main emphasis was placed on the fact that the serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine recognized the impossibility of returning the borders of Nezalezhnaya by force to the state of February 24, 2022, which indicates his rare adequacy. However, we would like to focus the attention of respected readers on something else, even more important.



Pan Proshinsky, in the calm voice of a professional killer, began to talk about what is victory or defeat for Ukraine and, accordingly, Russia. And he concluded that the main victory of Kyiv over Moscow is the preservation of Ukrainian statehood, even at the cost of losing some territories. Full of cold hatred for Russia and the Russian people, the sniper of the Armed Forces of Ukraine quite rightly noted that now the Ukrainians will have a place to come together and, obviously, continue to fight against our country. And it's scary.

Let's remember what goals and objectives were announced on February 24, 2022, when the NWO began. This is, firstly, help to the people of Donbass, secondly, the denazification of Ukraine and, thirdly, its demilitarization. After last year's October referendums, the protection of four "new" Russian regions was added to them, as well as the creation of certain conditions that ensure the national security of our country. Which of these have been achieved as of 11.08.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX?

A significant part of the territory of Donbass and the Sea of ​​Azov is still under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ukrainian terrorists hold their strongholds in Avdiivka and Maryinka, continuing to bombard Donetsk for the tenth year in a row. At the same time, the intensity of artillery shelling and their depth only increased. Two new Russian regional centers, Zaporozhye and Kherson, are under Ukrainian occupation, the right-bank foothold has been abandoned, and hence a significant part of our new territories. Now the “old” Russian regions, primarily the Belgorod region, are under shelling.

The sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are entering our border area, even full-fledged enemy armored groups are now invading there. Under the blows of enemy drones from now on, Moscow and the Moscow region, including the super-elite Rublyovka. Arrived even in the Kremlin. An ever-increasing intensity of attacks by sea and air drones is observed on ships and infrastructure facilities of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea. Ukrainian terrorists even delivered a successful strike on a peaceful chemical tanker in the Kerch Strait, if it were loaded at that moment, which would lead to a real environmental disaster. Twice, strike drones were able to fly to the Long-Range Aviation airfield in Engels, which, in fact, belongs to the “nuclear triad”.

What else? Oh yes, anti-Russian economic sanctions, an arrest warrant for President Putin issued by the International Criminal Court in The Hague on a frankly absurd charge. Ukraine is maximally nazified and militarized. On the positive side, we can recall the emergence of a land transport corridor to the Crimea, which, in fact, should have been created back in 2014. This is the intermediate result of the CBO after a year and a half of its implementation, whether someone likes it or not.

Common sense suggests that freezing the conflict now, when none of the initially declared goals has been fully achieved, will be a grave geopolitical mistake, even more serious than it was in 2014 and 2015. This will give absolutely nothing, except for the growth of internal discontent in Russia itself, both in civil society and in the army.

On the one hand, the experience of "Minsk-1" and "Minsk-2" suggests that Ukraine simply will not fulfill any of its obligations. Even if a ceasefire agreement is signed, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will continue terrorist shelling of Donetsk and other Russian cities. Ukrainian terrorists will conduct sabotage activities, blowing up and otherwise destroying infrastructure facilities of the Russian Defense Ministry, ignoring the "concerns" of the Russian Foreign Ministry and the press secretary of the Russian President Peskov. The Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will catch and kill high-ranking Russian military men and simply smart soldiers and officers in order to take revenge on them and weaken the RF Armed Forces before a new stage of the war.

On the other hand, neither Kyiv nor its Western curators will agree to the recognition of Russia's "new" regions. Instead, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be preparing for revenge, apparently at foreign military training grounds, and will master the most modern NATO-style weapons. The Ukrainian army will approach the next stage of the war with combat aircraft and the most long-range missiles.

What to do?


Unfortunately, ordinary people have nothing to do with acceptance political decisions regarding the further course of the SVO. However, until March 2024, their opinion on what is happening will be of particular importance for known reasons. In this short window of opportunity, civil society can express its civic position in the following areas through exclusively legal means.

At first, to demand the speedy liberation of the entire territory of the Russian Federation from Ukrainian occupation. The restoration of the sovereignty of the Russian Federation within the administrative borders of the DPR and LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions requires, if anyone suddenly forgot, her The Constitution, specifically Part 4. Avdiivka and Maryinka must be liberated so that this mockery of the residents of Donetsk by the terrorist artillerymen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will finally stop. Also, the RF Armed Forces will need the return of Kherson and Zaporozhye under their control in order to have a springboard for a future offensive towards Nikolaev and Odessa when the large-scale war resumes.

Secondly, to ensure the security of the “old” Russian regions, demand the creation of a “sanitary zone” on the adjacent Ukrainian territory of the Chernihiv, Sumy and Kharkov regions, the need for which President Putin himself spoke about. Without moving the Armed Forces of Ukraine at least fifty kilometers from our borders, there can be no talk of any truce at all.

Thirdly, for the subsequent war in order to eliminate Ukrainian statehood, it makes sense to create a puppet quasi-state on the liberated territory of Slobozhanshchina, which will be used in the future as a counterbalance to the Kyiv regime. And it is necessary to prepare the army, society and industry for the resumption of a large-scale conflict.

Without the implementation of this minimum program, it is simply impossible to reach any truce with the Zelensky regime, otherwise the consequences of another erroneous decision may turn out to be the most difficult.
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  1. +15
    11 August 2023 16: 57
    The maximum program is the Russian military parade in Kyiv!!
    1. +5
      11 August 2023 17: 15
      At the moment, Russia does not have such capabilities. Why entertain yourself with unrealizable illusions? And the author described the real state of affairs sensibly.
      1. +5
        14 August 2023 13: 04
        Russia has ALL the opportunities to win a decisive victory ... The only problem is the leadership of the Russian Federation, to whom summer cottages in London are burned, and the interests of the oligarchs are more valuable than the interests of the Russian Federation and its indigenous population ... However, Russia is a historically established state, with its own mentality and, as history shows , the people don’t forgive the government for draining the war ... So now a decisive victory, or draining, will directly affect whether the Yeltsin-Putin elite will remain in power, or the people will drain it in the same way that this elite is now draining the war, signing softly speaking, dubious agreements in Minsk and Istanbul ... Understand me correctly, I am not calling for revolutions now, but simply stating a fact ... I am already at an age when the shocks of 17 or 91 are the last thing I want ... Ukraine is political changes also do not bode well ... even if during the unrest in the Russian Federation Kiev manages to bite off a piece of the Russian Federation, then as soon as the new government consolidates itself in the Russian Federation, Kiev will choke to death with a bitten off piece ... I don’t want to draw parallels now, but humiliated and an offended nation is capable of much ... but the Russians have not yet forgotten the humiliations of the times of the collapse of the USSR and I dare say they will not forget, and new humiliations will only add fuel to the fire and the enemies of the Russian Federation will receive not just an angry bear, but a connecting rod bear, if you understand what it is ...
    2. +3
      11 August 2023 18: 43
      I agree with Vasya, and the program is at least - we will manage without parades until we put Kyiv in order, after these villagers.
    3. +2
      11 August 2023 21: 34
      Minimum!!!
    4. +8
      12 August 2023 11: 08
      The complete capitulation of the outskirts of Ukraine (AFU) is the complete entry of Russian lands from Uzhgorod to Vladivostok into one indivisible Russia. agreements is the collapse of the regime ... oligarchic
      1. +1
        16 August 2023 12: 01
        Quote: Kazara
        The complete capitulation of the outskirts of Ukraine (AFU) is the complete entry of Russian lands from Uzhgorod to Vladivostok into one indivisible Russia. agreements is the collapse of the regime ... oligarchic

        There were and always will be agreements, the war is too expensive. What prevented the United States from fighting to the last Vietnamese? Huge expenses, losses, internal protests. What prevented the USSR from fighting to the last Afghan? What stopped Israel after the turning point in the Yom Kippur War, when it was 200 km from Cairo? A cornered wolf does not think about life, but to kill more hunters
    5. -1
      13 August 2023 11: 40
      The maximum program is the Russian military parade in Kyiv!!

      The maximum program is the Russian military parade in Washington!!! Waiting for twenty pluses!
      1. +2
        13 August 2023 14: 48
        Quote from Pembo
        Russian military parade in Washington!!!

        And only so!

  2. +30
    11 August 2023 17: 17
    any program at least is a postponed war, the program should be one - the elimination of the outskirts as a state, everything else is a betrayal, although everything can be if we recall the recent Istanbul agreement, the essence of which the authorities kept secret for a whole year, because they knew that this was essentially a betrayal
    1. +1
      14 August 2023 10: 02
      Worse. It was a mild surrender. (If we recall the points of negotiations indicated by Lukashenka on the lease by us (!) - temporarily, for a fee - of the territory of our own, according to our Constitution, Crimea). A number of points of which, oddly enough, our side complied with, even with a formally unsigned contract. Such as the return to the enemy of 4 already partially occupied regions (at the same time, our border was exposed along the line of the same Belgorod region), the continued refusal of the strategic initiative and the sticking of our troops into a continuous chain of fortified areas
    2. 0
      14 August 2023 17: 01
      Everything has its time! All will be....
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  4. +24
    11 August 2023 17: 37
    Fascists need to be exterminated, not re-educated, but exterminated, and not demand something from them there !!!
  5. +9
    11 August 2023 17: 44
    Odessa region is not indicated on the map.
  6. +10
    11 August 2023 17: 55
    One wise man said-

    Getting Started Right Is Half the Job Done

    And one more rule. You can’t treat military sciences through your sleeves. Or look down on it, they say we ourselves have a mustache. The main thing for us was the Donbass. That's where we had to start. Everything else could be done, looking at the success of the case. Bravado should disappear completely. All later.
  7. +7
    11 August 2023 18: 54
    it makes sense to create a puppet quasi-state on the liberated territory of Slobozhanshchina

    No need to be shy. It is necessary to create an occupation zone with a special status. And the state "Sloboda Ukraine", without the right to have its own army, is only later in 10-15 years, when the passions subside, the followers of Bandera will be caught and raised by a new generation of Ukrainians.
  8. +4
    11 August 2023 18: 59
    I recommend everyone to watch Konstantin Zatulin's speech at the foresight forum “What kind of Ukraine do we need?”. Applies to all topics that are of interest to us.

    1. +3
      12 August 2023 11: 00
      Without a doubt, the majority understands, even without Zatulin, what Ukraine is needed for Russia based on its security and interests. We are talking about what Moscow can achieve in reality, since Kyiv also has its own opinion about the security and interests of Ukraine, backed up by the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the potential of NATO.
    2. +5
      12 August 2023 15: 19
      Quote: Alexey Lan
      "What kind of Ukraine do we need?".

      The question itself is tantamount to betrayal, I imagine the question at the beginning of the 0s "what kind of Ichkeria do we need?". Terrorist states, especially near us, are not needed in any form.
  9. -13
    11 August 2023 19: 23
    How should civil society react to this?

    And it should be treated as follows. Do exercises in the morning. Drive people to school or kindergarten. Carry out the duties assigned to them. Love your wife (husband). Educate the next generation. Drink in moderation. If possible, do not smoke. And do not climb into those areas about which you have no idea.
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    2. -5
      13 August 2023 14: 34
      To govern the state and defend its interests, it is necessary:

      1) Have an education. This includes economic, political, military and spiritual education.

      2) Not controlled from outside.
      Stalin had no external control. He obeyed no one. In 1929, he removed Trotsky, then Zinoviev and Kamenev, then he cleared out all the sympathizers, the fifth column of that time, in our opinion, they will "bulk". Without those repressions, we would not have won the war imposed on us.

      3) Have all the information. And this is intelligence, intelligence network, etc.
      None of the couch experts of this forum has all of the above. We know only 5, well, a maximum of 10% of what is actually happening in the world right now.

      What sausage is made of and how politics is made ordinary people should not know

      Churchill once said something like this.

      Therefore, take your children to kindergarten, do morning exercises, work, take care of your health, love your wives (husband) and loved ones, drink "drinks" in moderation, whoever wants, smoke without disturbing others, I will add, do not deceive anyone and do not take someone else's ...

      But stay out of politics, especially now. And the military will sort out their army themselves and do it right... The Surovikino line was made a year ago, that is, everything was planned in advance. We (headquarters, GDP) knew that we would not go forward yet, the population of Ukraine was not yet ready: we were still being met with flowers. Society in Ukraine has not yet matured. Ukrainians are used in the dark, as the people of Germany were once used.
      1. 0
        13 August 2023 14: 52
        they are about to meet with flowers ... they are simply used. Hmm, parallel reality
      2. +4
        13 August 2023 16: 09
        Very correct remark! Especially:
        "Fulfill the duties assigned to them" and
        "And do not climb into those areas about which you have no idea"!

        I love this pathos fellow And this is the tenth year after Vlad Putin undertook to solve the Ukrainian issue.

        1). Have an education. This includes economic, political, military and spiritual education.

        Spiritual is especially necessary, I think. By the way, what is Putin's political education and military experience?

        2). Not controlled from outside.

        bully

        3). Have all the information. And this is intelligence, intelligence network, etc.
        None of the couch experts of this forum has all of the above. M

        And what did Vlad Putin know about what was happening in Ukraine before the start of the NWO? Where were these super-experts from intelligence and intelligence networks? bully

        But stay out of politics, especially now.

        Yes, this one does. Especially now. Yes
        1. -5
          14 August 2023 09: 13
          And what did Vlad Putin know about what was happening in Ukraine before the start of the NWO? Where were these super-experts from intelligence and intelligence networks?

          They all knew very well. That is why it was decided to start the NWO. And note that the decision was not made in a referendum!
          And if you remember that in December 2021 we demanded in an ultimatum to push NATO back to the borders of 1997... But in vain the West did not agree. It was their mistake. They would retreat, save up some strength, create their own hypersound or something like that. And then they would dictate their terms to us. Now the rules of the game have changed!
          1. +4
            14 August 2023 11: 08
            They all knew very well. That is why it was decided to start the NWO. And note that the decision was not made in a referendum!

            Yes? Then who will be responsible for the defeats near Kiev and Kharkov? For Izyum, Kupyansk, Krasny Liman and Kherson? Who is responsible for the fact that the army was not prepared to face what it had to face? Who is responsible for all these losses?

            And if you remember that in December 2021 we demanded in an ultimatum to push NATO back to the borders of 1997... But in vain the West did not agree. It was their mistake. They would retreat, save up some strength, create their own hypersound or something like that. And then they would dictate their terms to us. Now the rules of the game have changed!

            Watch less TV. It's not even funny.
            1. -4
              14 August 2023 13: 45
              Yes? Then who will be responsible for the defeats near Kiev and Kharkov? For Izyum, Kupyansk, Krasny Liman and Kherson? Who is responsible for the fact that the army was not prepared to face what it had to face? Who is responsible for all these losses?

              Near Kiev (and Gostomel) there was a special task to be carried out. Which one ... they won’t tell me or you yet, maybe your children will read it in their memoirs. The poor "Mriya" was destroyed for a reason. After the completion of this operation, our troops were withdrawn.
              For all other locations, conclusions have been drawn, who should be removed and this will not be reported to us either.
              I repeat once again, we are being forced to move forward, transferring more long-range weapons to Kyiv. Think for yourself why the Western countries are doing this so step by step (in range).
              Our main forces are reserved for other military operations. Or do we have to spend everything now? For now, we manage with weapons of 3+ generations. We don't actually use the new one. Ukraine is not the main military action, so, "great Chechnya" ...
              .... By the way, I don’t watch TV from the word at all, somehow I bought it to watch the Olympics!
    3. +1
      13 August 2023 16: 13
      Who specifically has it, Zradinski?
  10. -3
    11 August 2023 19: 24
    Taking control of Zaporozhye and even more so Kherson is not seen as possible due to the need for such operations to have very significant resources, which are not available, and the same significant losses, as well as time. For the same reasons, there will be no creation of buffer zones in the north.
    No matter how weak the hegemon is, the whole world geopolitics depends on the elections in the USA, so let's wait for spring, a lot will become clear.
    1. +14
      11 August 2023 22: 21
      No matter how weak the hegemon is, the whole world geopolitics depends on the elections in the USA, so let's wait for spring, a lot will become clear.

      There is no logic. If everything depends on the US elections, then why should it clear up in the spring?

      And one moment. No need to live outdated stereotypes. Little depends on the US elections. Whoever wins the election in November, US policy cannot change.
      1. -1
        12 August 2023 10: 52
        In the spring, elections will be held in the Russian Federation, and the elections in the United States will reach the finish line, it seems to me that in the spring the company's prospects will be seen more clearly.
        Trump and Republicans can change US geopolitics significantly, Trump is a pragmatist
        1. +3
          13 August 2023 11: 37
          Misinterpretation.
          In the spring, elections will be held in the Russian Federation and nothing will change from personalities.
          In November, elections will be held in the United States and nothing will change from personalities.

          If you are counting on the pragmatist Trump, then you should write that everything will become clear in November. According to your statement, it turns out that the entire world geopolitics depends on who sits in the Kremlin, and not in Washington.

          But the policy of the state, its security and prospects are in the first place precisely with the pragmatist Trump. And in this concept, the continuation of the confrontation with Russia and China is in the first place.
        2. +2
          14 August 2023 13: 31
          Excuse me... but what does Trump have to do with it?! Trump is the president of the United States and not the Russian Federation, and he was already the president of the United States and this did not change anything ... Tram is not one of those who are in love with the Russian Federation like Pavel-1 is with Germany .... and will not do anything for the Russian Federation ... The question is another ... will Putin and his entourage begin to think less about (partners) and the oligarchs and show more independence from this public and think more about the interests of the Russian Federation and its indigenous population, or not ... A lot depends on this ... in including for Putin himself ... And Trump and his phenomenon are secondary here, if not less ...
    2. +2
      12 August 2023 02: 08
      Vlad55 - Complete nonsense.
      1. 0
        12 August 2023 10: 45
        Well, firstly, my message was cut down by censorship as a result of which the general meaning was destroyed, and secondly, if reality is nonsense for you, then live in your own comfortable little world of dreams and wishes, I write for people who are not afraid of reality.
    3. +2
      14 August 2023 13: 25
      Maybe we need to spend less on the Abramovichs, who continue to get richer and today without lifting a finger for the benefit of the Russian Federation, then the resources will appear!? Maybe you need to think less about losses in the personnel of the enemy army and the fate of the families of employees in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the SBU, members of the Svoboda party and similar characters, then there will be fewer losses in the Russian army and the Belgorod region will burn less!? In 1944, the Americans multiplied Dresden by zero in a day and did not bathe ... in Yugoslavia they behaved the same way ... and not only there ... and in this way they broke the enemy and saved the lives of their soldiers ... And for those whoever calls those who call to cut Rusnya the brave people in the Russian Federation have long been bored with the gallows ... You can’t serve two gods ... If someone is a patriot of a foreign state, then he is not a patriot of the Russian Federation, and if he is a patriot of a state hostile to the Russian Federation, then he is an enemy of the Russian Federation .. .Things must be called by their proper names and react to them in accordance with the laws of the Russian Federation ...
      Then the victory will be on the side of the Russian Federation !!!
  11. -13
    11 August 2023 19: 49
    By the way, I somehow don’t see the consequences of freezing as absolutely unacceptable for the Russian Federation. Yes, in the end, Ukraine will turn into a powerful NATO vanguard armed with the most modern combat systems without being a member of it, yes, this Russian-Ukrainian war will make Ukraine the leader of the Russophobic and anti-Russian world, and all subsequent generations of Ukrainian citizens will not forgive the boundless military cemeteries throughout the country and will harbor illusions of revenge... BUT, post-war Ukraine will be in the strongest dependence on the West and it is not for Kiev to decide whether to resume this war or not. The Freeze will eventually have to end with the Big Deal for decades to come.
    1. +10
      11 August 2023 21: 26
      And then our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will begin to die as they are now, and perhaps there will be a nuclear war, because there will be no WORLD without Russia.
      1. -6
        11 August 2023 22: 49
        Future generations will not take everything so sharply, people tend to forget the past
    2. +2
      11 August 2023 22: 18
      Germany forgave, Japan forgave, how is Ukraine different from them? The time when they trusted the West is in the distant past, I hope in the irrevocable.
      1. +1
        12 August 2023 11: 16
        This is true, but in return they received huge investments, a high level of development and life. Nobody would have forgiven the Americans without it. Can the Russian Federation offer something similar to Ukraine, answer yourself.
        1. +3
          12 August 2023 11: 51
          The relationship between the USSR and the GDR suggests the opposite, and what to forgive is the winner’s right, and there are cemeteries on both sides, so it’s up to the winners to decide who to forgive and who not.
          1. -2
            12 August 2023 13: 48
            There will be no winners in this war, what Moscow will get as a result is not a victory, Kyiv, which lost 4 regions and Crimea, but retained statehood, cannot call itself a winner either. Both countries will inflict serious injuries on each other that will send lives to both for decades. There can be no winners in this war.
            1. +2
              14 August 2023 16: 54
              Ukraine, as a Russophobic state, carries the threat of war; the West will always support it in this, the existence of Ukraine is a danger to Russia and its integrity.
    3. -1
      12 August 2023 11: 12
      What did they name? This is a quite probable scenario, but extremely unpleasant for the Russian Federation, and nevertheless, the probability of its implementation is high, based on the military capabilities of the parties. Accept the world as it is. Who 2 years ago could have imagined that Finland would be in NATO, and the RF Armed Forces, having used almost all of its potential except nuclear, would have results like today. Geopolitics is the art of the possible, and from this we are trying to see the probable future.
    4. +3
      12 August 2023 11: 50
      Quote: Vlad55
      Ukraine will turn into a powerful vanguard of NATO armed with the most modern combat systems

      What ghosts...
      Even now, when it would seem that "only a thin red line of Ukrainian heroes is holding back a horde of armored-hoofed Buryats from invading Europe" - and then they are mostly thrown off rubbish, there is no aviation, there are no swarms of attack UAVs ...
      Stop / reduce activity on the eastern front - and the trickle will dry up altogether.
      If the borders are opened a little, the mobilization potential will go to work.
      Of course, they will concrete the entire border strip to the fullest - well, we must do the same. (In fact, in many respects already, on both sides).

      So the turbo-patriots (on both sides) from their sofas can continue to yell "no negotiations!", but in fact the only question is how intensively they are shelling each other through the LBS.
      We agree - they will be less intensive, we do not agree - it will remain as it is now ...

      They won’t stop completely anyway - they always had an abundance of heroes, to whom the guards in Kiev did not decree, and each time in response to their heroism, ours will answer the same.
      And yes, sanctions will not be lifted from us again for any reason.
      1. -6
        13 August 2023 07: 27
        "Peace" agreements now will not necessarily mean our loss. The West doesn't really know what to do. There is no strength to continue the war. To do this, we need to rebuild the economy. "Peacefully" stop... Ukraine will not be accepted into NATO anyway: it has territorial disputes in the active phase. And the global crisis is still on. The bottom is still far away. This crisis has not yet been discharged. And Ukraine has nothing to do with it (she is a pawn in this game). So if there are "peaceful" agreements, then a maximum of 1.5-2. of the year.
        And the activity of the colonial countries is not just like that. The chess game continues!
        1. 0
          13 August 2023 16: 12
          "Peace" agreements now will not necessarily mean our loss. The West doesn't really know what to do. There is no strength to continue the war. To do this, we need to rebuild the economy.

          what are you even wearing?

          And the activity of the colonial countries is not just like that. The chess game continues!

          Uzhzhzhzhas...
          1. 0
            14 August 2023 08: 58
            what are you even wearing?

            And what do you not like?
            The West has money, but not power. And those are two big differences. All the armies of the West, including the United States, are not capable of waging a long war with a major enemy. All their exercises are carried out according to the lightning strike plan, which is effective only against the Papuans. Through Ukraine, the West tried to see how it would actually be. See for yourself what is now at the front. We are on the defensive, which we prepared a year ago. And the West (well, like Ukraine) needs us to move forward! Where everything is ready for our meeting! So that we all just make our way there, so that there are graves along the roads, as in Ukraine, so that the people become embittered and remove power already in Russia.

            And now this is exactly what we are trying to achieve, so that the people have matured / become embittered in Ukraine itself. And at the moment, Ukrainians are fighting, as it were, for their land, which, in fact, 70% no longer belongs to them. Was the law on the sale of land in Ukraine accidentally adopted under Zelensky? Is this how the government should be run?

            In order to conduct long-term military operations, they (the West) need to rebuild their economy for war. And completely. Their factories cannot now produce trade winds, tomorrow tanks, then trade winds again. There is no such magic switch! The owner of the plant will think ten times to do so. This is capitalism at its finest! All the more dependent, as it turned out, on our energy resources. Yes, it is, Western capitalism, as it were now energetically independent, but very expensive.

            Play / remember the game Monopoly and the like, it's just about that.
            1. +1
              14 August 2023 11: 09
              And now this is exactly what we are trying to achieve, so that the people have matured / become embittered in Ukraine itself. And at the moment, Ukrainians are fighting, as it were, for their land, which, in fact, 70% no longer belongs to them. Was the law on the sale of land in Ukraine accidentally adopted under Zelensky? Is this how the government should be run?

              fool

              In order to conduct long-term military operations, they (the West) need to rebuild their economy for war. And completely. Their factories cannot now produce trade winds, tomorrow tanks, then trade winds again. There is no such magic switch! The owner of the plant will think ten times to do so. This is capitalism at its finest! All the more dependent, as it turned out, on our energy resources. Yes, it is, Western capitalism, as it were now energetically independent, but very expensive.
              Play / remember the game Monopoly and the like, it's just about that.

              And we, therefore, with a shortage of shells, because of which our infantry has been dying in meat assaults for a year now, there is no need to rebuild the economy on a war footing.

              And the West (well, like Ukraine) needs us to move forward! Where everything is ready for our meeting! So that we all just make our way there, so that there are graves along the roads, as in Ukraine, so that the people become embittered and shift power already in Russia.

              crying
              1. -1
                14 August 2023 18: 49
                What, Beydodyr, have you run out of words?
                And did you really believe in shell hunger? And did you also believe in Prigozhin's rebellion? Well then this show was for you!
                And if you are already talking about our dead ... Yes, they are, all the same, the war (NVO) is on. Go to the city cemetery in your region. Look how many died from covid, and how many from the consequences of SVO. During the epidemic in our region, they buried in two shifts of 40 people a day. Now everything has returned to the dock-like statistics: no more than 20 people a day!
      2. +1
        13 August 2023 19: 56
        You, suggest what needs to be done so that justice prevails, people stop killing each other. your recipe???
    5. +5
      12 August 2023 15: 24
      Quote: Vlad55
      somehow I don’t see the consequences of freezing as absolutely unacceptable for the Russian Federation.

      Well, depending on what you mean by RF. If Abramovich and co., then for them even our complete capitulation is quite acceptable.
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    7. +3
      14 August 2023 13: 38
      There will be no decades ahead ... Look at the history of Nazi Germany ... Everything will happen much earlier and the war, if it is not completed with the complete and terrible defeat of Ukraine, which will break the will of the Nazis today ... will begin in just a few years, when those who today, 12-16 years old, will be able to hold weapons in their hands and it will be a war of annihilation ... for which all these Mishustins and Putin, to put it mildly, are not ready ... That's why they signed all these Minsks and Istanbuls hoping that Perhaps it will blow over ... but it won’t blow over ... and if it does, then in the restroom ... from the next, to put it mildly, unpleasant news ... There is no doubt that all these scumbags from the UNSO like Dimon Korchinsky can blow up even a nuclear power plant. ..these are rabid dogs in the guise of a man and one should not be mistaken in counting on the fact that it is possible to negotiate with them ... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE ,,, as it was impossible to negotiate with Hitler.
  12. +16
    11 August 2023 21: 20
    If our Top leadership starts negotiations with fascists and sadists, then this will be the highest betrayal of the Citizens of Russia, since in a few years this fascist Western pack will attack Russia and Belarus with renewed vigor (unless, of course, it betrays Russia earlier) and then there will be the last NUCLEAR war.
    1. -5
      11 August 2023 22: 51
      Well, in Istanbul they almost agreed, as Putin said, and the sky did not fall to the ground.
      1. +2
        12 August 2023 09: 10
        A short digression into the history

        In January 1943, at a meeting in Casablanca, Roosevelt and Churchill put forward the condition for the end of the war - the unconditional surrender of Germany, Italy and Japan.
        Stalin was not present at the conference and the USSR did not join this demand. Only in November 1943, during a conference in Tehran, did the USSR join the demand for Germany's unconditional surrender.
        Why did the USSR not demand unconditional surrender for so long (almost a year)?

        This is directly related to why in April 2022 "the sky did not fall to earth" and why at the end of 2023 "the sky will fall to earth".
        1. 0
          13 August 2023 19: 51
          Do not compare different times and different political systems. Take one time slice. History has already appreciated Stalin, in the modern world there is no analogue to Stalin. You have a comparison of round with soft.
    2. +8
      12 August 2023 03: 08
      How to find out who the traitor is? The one who first starts negotiations with the enemy.
    3. +1
      12 August 2023 05: 26
      If our Top leadership starts negotiations with fascists and sadists, then this will be the highest betrayal of the Citizens of Russia

      No, it started with them, and negotiations will already be with white and fluffy ones. Remembering Azovstal.
    4. -8
      12 August 2023 11: 23
      It's easy to advise you without bearing responsibility for anything. And you, take Putin's place and try to take on the burden of a long-term war, hundreds of thousands of dead, and the sanctions economy.
      1. +4
        12 August 2023 15: 27
        Quote: Vlad55
        hundreds of thousands killed

        And 8 years before the SVO, there were no dead when the Kyiv Nazis ironed the Donbass.
      2. +4
        13 August 2023 16: 11
        And you, take Putin's place and try to take on the burden of a long-term war, hundreds of thousands of dead, and the sanctions economy.

        A cook can govern better than this man... He's worked his way up to Russia's international isolation and already to an arrest warrant from The Hague for himself, damn it.
        1. -1
          15 August 2023 08: 07
          The cook cannot run the state, she does not have the proper education. A gynecologist over there in Europe already manages, and there they are dear!
          And the Anglo-Saxons had a cunning plan, to do what could not be done with Russia in the first and second world wars.
          And international isolation could have been avoided if we watched porn films, held gay parades, had sex changed for children without their consent, smoked weed and / or something stronger, drank excessively, jumped around squares and elected a president every four days, they would show tolerance for pedophiles... Next, think of it yourself.
          But I don't want the above for my grandchildren.
      3. +1
        14 August 2023 13: 42
        Sorry, but where and to whom did Putin answer!? Look at your leisure what he promised in the early 2000s and what he really did in these 25 years ... And where did he answer ?! Who did he ask for the same disruption of the state defense order?! Most of what he did was done according to the patterns of Chernomyrdin and his phrase - We wanted the best, it turned out as always ...
  13. +7
    11 August 2023 22: 13
    As they say, a man proposes, but the General Staff disposes. The main task of our aircraft is to knock out the combat-ready units and equipment of the enemy with minimal losses, the task is being completed. I admit that there would be less destruction of cities and villages, which we will have to rebuild, the war has such a sluggish, positional character. I don’t understand one thing, why they don’t destroy the transport structure in the West of Ukraine. The West needs to be firmly probed so that no one has the illusion that Russia will not reach Rovno or Lvov.
  14. +11
    12 August 2023 01: 29
    At least - this is the entire Black Sea coast should be controlled by Russia with access to Transnistria.
    1. -4
      12 August 2023 10: 40
      )) Live in reality, good for mental health
  15. -2
    12 August 2023 01: 31
    War to the last Slav, and then? :
    A project for the settlement of Russian villages by Africans has been approved
    To begin with, they plan to build 30 settlements
    https://www.mk.ru/economics/2023/08/10/utverzhden-proekt-zaseleniya-rossiyskikh-dereven-afrikancami.html
  16. +13
    12 August 2023 02: 04
    No truces/freezes! This would be a fatal geopolitical mistake, if not a betrayal at all. And then, a little later, oh, how Russia will backfire ....
    1. -2
      12 August 2023 16: 05
      In the First World War, irreconcilable uryakls also shouted like that, how it all ended they saw.
  17. +1
    12 August 2023 02: 57
    Europe did not receive any profits from the conflict, but spends only money, which means it will not negotiate.
    1. +3
      12 August 2023 15: 29
      Quote from Constantin N.
      but only spending money

      But she spends not her own money, but those that were stolen from us.
  18. +3
    12 August 2023 03: 05
    The author correctly placed the accents, but Russia has one big problem. Putin has already understood it, This is the mediocrity of our army leadership. During the NWO, our generals did not show anything on the track. The only success was in the first weeks of the war, when territories were seized by a sudden blow. Next, a strategic defense that has been going on for more than a year.
    1. +10
      12 August 2023 05: 08
      During the NWO, our generals did not show anything on the track.

      It's more like they weren't allowed to show it, and they aren't. Negotiation is the driving force of our elite.
    2. +7
      12 August 2023 09: 48
      Quote: Dust
      The author correctly placed the accents, but Russia has one big problem. Putin has already understood it, This is the mediocrity of our army leadership. During the NWO, our generals did not show anything on the track. The only success was in the first weeks of the war, when territories were seized by a sudden blow. Next, a strategic defense that has been going on for more than a year.

      Putin himself needs to decide on the goals and objectives, then things will go well, but for now it all looks like a step forward and two steps back
  19. +2
    12 August 2023 05: 45
    The minimum program, this NATO should get out to the borders of 1997! And only then can we talk about Ukraine.
  20. 0
    12 August 2023 06: 14
    Quote: sergey backgrounds
    Germany forgave, Japan forgave, how is Ukraine different from them? The time when they trusted the West is in the distant past, I hope in the irrevocable.

    No one believes in words anymore, but, not even gold, banknotes - not everyone can stand here.
  21. +5
    12 August 2023 09: 02
    Oh this author. Obviously, it is necessary to completely block 404's access to the sea, otherwise maritime terrorism will never end, and the air attacks of Crimea come from this area. Because this is also a minimum in the program
  22. +2
    12 August 2023 09: 58
    return of Kherson and Zaporozhye

    the author, that's right, but this requires the consolidation of society.
    Maximum program: change of political and economic course!!!
  23. 0
    12 August 2023 10: 22
    Given the very nasty nature of the current regime in Kiev and how much it's dependent on foreign powers, the minimum requirement for starting any negotiation would be unconditional surrender of the Ukrainian military.
  24. +4
    12 August 2023 11: 00
    The main reason for the NWO is the US refusal to leave Ukraine neutral by introducing it into NATO. This reason has not been fixed either. In order to eliminate it, it is necessary to return to the borders of the Russian Empire and take the Little Russian, Novorossiysk and Tauride regions into Russia.
  25. +13
    12 August 2023 11: 56
    The worst thing for Russia is the betrayal by the ruling elite of its interests, for the sake of satisfying the interests of money bags, which are full in business and government, and even in the Kremlin. We saw this in the Minsk agreements, the grain deal and the treacherous negotiations in Istanbul.
  26. +4
    12 August 2023 12: 17
    For Russia, it is important not only what will happen to Ukraine, but what will happen to the West, to the United States, and what global changes can be expected as a result of the conflict. Agreeing to freeze will be tantamount to activating a stopcock on the train. After Russia took the stage and told the whole world - the star of the sheriff is no longer a decree, this corrupt gangster is no longer the sheriff of our city. After killing several sheriff's deputies in a shootout, Russia can't just mount a horse and gallop back to the ranch, leaving the city at a loss - what about the sheriff?

    Russia either brings the matter to an end, which means bringing the situation to the point where the West will be forced to choose - either escalation or draining the ukroreich (bringing the regime to collapse). Either Russia stops, which will be tantamount to defeat. The image of Russia as a wind of change, as an antidote to Western hegemony, will be replaced by an image of weakness, the impossibility of changing the world, and the hopelessness of confronting Western hegemony. The economy of the world will return to the old framework, which it cannot do now, while the conflict continues, because. incomprehensible ending.

    But there may be reasons for freezing the conflict, which we do not know about, but the leadership of the Russian Federation knows. Possible economic events in the world, the financial crisis or the emergence of new conflicts. Perhaps the goal has already been achieved and Russia has managed to start the process of starting change. Perhaps the West or the United States is already inevitably drawn into the battle for the globe, wars and crises are already beginning to flare up, a confrontation with China is already inevitable, an economic crisis of a global scale is already inevitable. Perhaps there may be a need for Russia to prepare for these events.

    Perhaps the calculation is that Ukraine is such a failed state that the freeze will be a heavy burden on the shoulders of the West. Financing Ukraine, its restoration, the impossibility of raising the standard of living there, all this can change the image of the West in the eyes of Ukrainians.

    But all the same, the situation is more like the fact that the very beginning of negotiations is already the West's recognition of its weakness. This is, if not a complete capitulation of the United States, then definitely a partial victory for Russia. Having begun negotiations, the West will no longer be able to return to the position - only complete victory on the battlefield. The failure of the talks will be a blow to the West and the Kyiv regime, not to Russia. The very beginning of the negotiations means that the United States is entering very thin ice, and for the Kyiv regime it is generally a tightrope over the abyss.
    1. +4
      13 August 2023 19: 36
      Everything in the world has a beginning. The beginning of all new states organized in the territories of the former Soviet republics of the Soviet Union is the coup d'état in the USSR in 1991, i.e. the beginning is a criminal offense without a statute of limitations. Dispose of, divide the territory of Russia, without asking the owner of the territory.
      1. +1
        14 August 2023 11: 54
        June 12, 1990 - the sovereignty of the RSFSR from the USSR.
        December 25, 1991 - the renaming of the RSFSR to the Russian Federation.
        December 26, 1991 - the abolition of the USSR.

        When there was an entry of the Ukrainian SSR (or Ukraine) into the RSFSR (or into the Russian Federation), history is silent. If you do not rewrite history, then Ukraine is still independent of the Russian Federation and divides only its territory.
  27. +2
    12 August 2023 18: 50
    Marzetsky is right. If our power again falls into the trap of the West, it is worthless. For the peace of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to categorically occupy all of eastern Ukraine far to the west of the Dnieper and create a government loyal to us there. Otherwise, there will be a permanent gun at the temple.
  28. +2
    12 August 2023 21: 16
    No cards can be studied ... There is only one goal - the re-election of the 70-year-old president for a new term ... We will catch up with Biden ... Maybe it's enough to strain the old man ... Retirement ... it's time, it's time ...
  29. 0
    13 August 2023 00: 32
    What is the minimum program for concluding a truce between Russia and Ukraine
    Is it to consider proposals for an agreement? Prepare the people of the Russian Federation for surrender?
    To win, you need Purpose and Strategy. We need legal support for the SVO, we need a Law.
    All Ukraine is Russia.
    1. +2
      13 August 2023 11: 39
      You still haven't read the link to the legal basis of the CBO? You continue to amaze me with your ignorance...
      1. 0
        13 August 2023 19: 20
        Thank you for reminding. The main document is the Constitution of the country, there are also Laws of the Russian Federation and Presidential Decrees. At the beginning, as a justification for the SVO in Ukraine, they referred to Art. 51 of Part 7 of the UN Charter, but this is not a document of the Russian Federation and this link was quickly forgotten. LDNR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are officially the territory of the Russian Federation, they must be released, and with the rest of the territory of Ukraine how, on the basis of what Law of the Russian Federation or Presidential Decree are hostilities conducted. What will happen to Ukraine next. If you know the Law or Decree, tell everyone, show everyone the document: name, number, date, and everyone will see your awareness.
        1. +2
          13 August 2023 20: 19


          I already showed, but for some reason I do not see the link. All I see is that my post has been deleted.
          No one referred to Article 51 of the UN Charter.
          On February 22, 2022, the President of the Russian Federation applied to the Federation Council and a document was adopted allowing the use of the RF Armed Forces outside the country.

          http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202202240001

          Is this an official document?
          1. 0
            14 August 2023 17: 06
            We will not discuss the correctness of this decision.
            According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, on issues within their jurisdiction, the Federation Council and the State Duma adopt resolutions that are by-laws and are adopted on issues that do not require legislative registration.
            Decree of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of February 22.02.2022, 35 No. XNUMX-SF "On the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation outside the territory of the Russian Federation". Implicitly, it is believed that Ukraine is outside the territory of the Russian Federation, but there is one thing.
            The Treaty "On Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997 ceased to be valid on April 1, 2019 due to its denunciation by Ukraine. The termination of this Treaty releases the Russian Federation from any obligation in relation to Ukraine. Those. Russia's borders in relation to Ukraine are determined in 1990, before the collapse of the USSR. Thus, Ukraine is not a foreign country.
            I also raised the issue of including the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, into Russia, in the form of regions, for this a separate Law is needed.
            The procedure for admission to the Russian Federation and the formation of new constituent entities of the Russian Federation in its composition is determined by the Federal Constitutional Law of December 17.12.2001, 6 No. 2014-FKZ "On the procedure for admission to the Russian Federation and the formation of a new constituent entity of the Russian Federation in its composition", which has been applied since XNUMX. This law cannot be used without modification.
            LDNR entered the Russian Federation through the Resolution of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation dated 02.10.2022 N 36-P "On the case of checking the constitutionality of the international Treaty between the Russian Federation and the Donetsk People's Republic that has not entered into force on the admission of the Donetsk People's Republic to the Russian Federation and formation as part of the Russian Federation new subject."
            Everything is not difficult, but you need to have a desire for power.
            1. 0
              14 August 2023 20: 22
              Why don't you want to discuss?

              You asked to show the document, number, number. You often write about violations of the Constitution.
              You were shown a document with a number, number and signature. On February 22, 2022, the Federation Council allowed the president to use the aircraft outside the country. On February 24, the President exercised this right. There is a TV appearance and a recording of the performance. The reasons that forced him to take this step are also indicated.
              And everything was done within the framework of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. First, there was the recognition of the republics of the LPR and the DPR, then there was an appeal by the heads of the republics to Russia and the decision of the president to provide this assistance.
              So your reference to the law of December 17.12.2001, 6 No. XNUMX-FKZ "On the procedure for admission to the Russian Federation and the formation of a new subject of the Russian Federation within it" is unlawful. It was accepted for part of the state of Ukraine, and the independent states of the LPR and DPR.

              All this is casuistry and chicanery. The Constitution of the Russian Federation was not violated and you received a link to the Law. So I do not see any violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
              1. +1
                14 August 2023 23: 05
                No need to invent, I have never discussed and never raised the question of violating the Constitution of the Russian Federation. The regulation you are referring to is not the law. Crimea, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. were introduced into the Russian Federation in accordance with the Federal Constitutional Law of December 17.12.2001, 6 No. 02.10.2022-FKZ, according to the LDNR there was also a Resolution of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation of October 36, XNUMX N XNUMX-P. All the material was presented to you in a chewed form, how you perceive it is your own business.
                Also, I did not discuss the issues of new territories accepted into the Russian Federation, you were given only the names of legal documents.
                I raised the issue of including the entire territory of Ukraine, within the boundaries of 1975 (Helsinki agreements), into Russia, in the form of regions. For this, it is better for Ukraine to have a separate Law or to amend December 17.12.2001, 6 No. XNUMX-FKZ, and I have also given a rationale for the need for such a Law.
                If you have real suggestions on how to quickly defeat the fascist regime in Ukraine, stop the death of the Russian people, return the occupied lands, write.
                1. +1
                  15 August 2023 06: 43
                  You have an incomprehensible reverence for the adoption of laws. In your opinion, it is worth adopting the Law and everyone will be happy.
                  I don't see some of your posts. But I remember that you wrote about the violation of the Constitution. Even now you write that the Russian troops are on the territory of Ukraine illegally. There is no corresponding law. Decisions of the Federation Council have the force of law. This is written in the Constitution. And it is precisely the issues of war and peace that fall within the competence of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation.

                  Your posts are extremely inconsistent. You wrote that freezing the conflict and a truce is beneficial for Russia. You also wrote that there can be no winners in this war. Ukraine will become a Russophobic state for many years. Now we have moved to the position of the complete liquidation of Ukraine and all post-Soviet states.
                  Sorry, but this is a direct path to the defeat and destruction of Russia. In one of your remarks there is a phrase that one must live in the real world. But you yourself do not follow this principle.

                  In my understanding, the path to peace lies in inflicting a military defeat on the Armed Forces of Ukraine and preserving Ukraine as a neutral, non-bloc state. That is, the goals of the SVO are correctly defined. Another thing is that the implementation turned out to be more difficult than we thought. Proceeding precisely from these declared goals of the NWO, I consider the inclusion of some regions of Ukraine in the Russian Federation erroneous.

                  There is no real solution to quickly defeat Ukraine. Victory is achieved on the battlefield. After that, decisions are made. Your proposal for the complete liquidation of Ukraine, and then all post-Soviet states, is absolutely unacceptable and threatens to destroy Russia. Live in the real world.
                  1. -1
                    15 August 2023 12: 33
                    We return, what I wrote about. This is my vision of the problem, it may not coincide with yours, but this does not mean that it is not correct.
                    What will the Law give, which will state that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia.
                    1. A political move that will lead to the stabilization of actions in Ukraine.
                    2. All actions of the leadership of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will comply with the Law of the Russian Federation on Ukraine.
                    3. Assigning the status of the territory of Ukraine, which is the territory of Russia, will allow the NVO to be transferred to the counter-terrorist operation (CTO), i.e. All military operations will be carried out in accordance with the law "On countering terrorism" dated 06.03.2006 N 35-FZ.
                    4. The law will make it impossible for Ukraine and NATO countries to call the Russian Federation an aggressor.
                    5. The law will deprive NATO of a goal in Ukraine and he will have to develop a new concept for the Russian Federation.
                    6. The law will not allow Ukraine to quickly join NATO. The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to introduce troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear. The law will not allow to conclude a confederal treaty between Ukraine and Poland, which is part of NATO, and Ukraine will not be able to become a member of NATO. The law will not allow the United States to blackmail and use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
                    7. The supply of weapons to separatist terrorists in Ukraine will be qualified as interference in the internal affairs of the Russian Federation.
                    8. In the presence of the Law, the military operation conducted by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
                    9. The law will give certainty about the future in Ukraine to citizens of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Citizens living on the territory of Ukraine will not have to be afraid in the future for themselves, for persecution by the fascist regime.
                    10. The law will set the goal. A strategy will be formed. Tactics were developed, tasks and deadlines were set, and the enemy was named.
                    PS The first version of the necessity of the Law on Ukraine was written by me in March 2022.
                    1. 0
                      15 August 2023 12: 55
                      You are clearly an idealist. No law adopted by Russia in relation to Ukraine will be legitimate. That is why the independence of the LPR and DPR was first recognized, and only then they were accepted into the Russian Federation.
                      So I see how, according to paragraph 4 and so on, NATO will immediately stop the supply of weapons and will not accept Ukraine into NATO. They are afraid of the Russian law.
                      That law about which you speak so much, will give nothing. Absolutely nothing. The West does not recognize him. It is not recognized in the UN and around the world. This will be an internal PR of Russia, which will not change anything on the battlefield.
                      Russia recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine a long time ago, in 2014 it recognized the change of power (this is now called a coup). Russia recognized Poroshenko as the legitimate president of Ukraine, just like Zelensky.
                      Do you propose to abolish the state, a member of the UN? Believe that even China will oppose such a development.
                      Do not forget that in addition to the UN Security Council, there is also the UN General Assembly. Its resolutions are advisory in nature, but will be implemented by all countries that support it. And the right of veto does not work there.
                      Your plan is out of touch with life and cannot be accepted. You will make Russia an outcast in the eyes of not only the Anglo-Saxons, but the whole world.
                      1. +1
                        15 August 2023 13: 40
                        Thanks for the criticism. There are no relations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, everything is broken. The Treaty "On Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997 ceased to be valid on April 1, 2019 due to its denunciation by Ukraine. The termination of this Treaty releases the Russian Federation from any obligation in relation to Ukraine.
                        The PRC has Taiwan and Hong Kong, which, according to the laws of the PRC, are territories of the PRC, the laws of the PRC adopted unilaterally. Why can the PRC have such laws, but the Russian Federation cannot? There are also Great Britain and Argentina that have laws on the Falkland (Malvinas) Islands and Japan on the northern (Kurils) territories, etc.
                        Russia needs the law, and who thinks what is secondary.
                        About China. The PRC is not an ally, but a neighbor, and one must always remember that the PRC is a potential enemy. We will not discuss this topic.
                        With respect to the UN, legitimacy. Look at the speed with which the UN recognized new states - the former Soviet republics of the USSR. A coup d'état took place in the USSR. A state coup is a criminal offense without a statute of limitations.
                        There is No. 17.12.2001-FKZ dated 6/XNUMX/XNUMX, so the new territories had such a path.
                      2. 0
                        15 August 2023 16: 38
                        The coup d'état in the USSR was accomplished only in your understanding. Internationally, the USSR dissolved itself.

                        Again.
                        Russia can make any laws on its territory. The territory of Ukraine is not part of the Russian Federation. And even in the days of the USSR, it was not woven. What you are proposing is direct aggression against a UN member state. It is one thing to protect the Russian population in Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye. A referendum was held in these territories and they became independent from Ukraine. And therefore, the military operations of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are conducted only in them. In order to FREE Kharkov or Nikolaev with Odessa, you first need to separate them from Ukraine. Look at the conduct of the CBO from this point of view.
                      3. 0
                        15 August 2023 19: 43
                        About
                        Internationally, the USSR dissolved itself.
                        brings a smile.
                        Forget about the UN, this organization does not protect the interests of the Russian Federation.
                        The withdrawal of the Republic of Ukraine from the USSR was possible only with a positive decision received at the USSR Referendum and the implementation of the USSR Law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a union republic from the USSR”.
                        Contact combat operations were going on in most of Ukraine, after the retreat of the RF Armed Forces, they are going on in new territories and in the Kharkov region. Raids are carried out throughout the territory of Ukraine, also carried out by the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the territory of the Russian Federation.
                        You propose a way, first we conquer a region, for example, Kharkov or Odessa, etc., then we hold a referendum on this territory similar to Kherson and, in accordance with No. 17.12.2001-FKZ of December 6, XNUMX, we include the region in Russia.
                        Your proposal is tested, working and according to the law.
                        Such actions lead to a protracted war, heavy losses, and unpredictability of the future.
                    2. +1
                      15 August 2023 20: 32
                      Certainly there are patriotic idealists out of this world. Ukraine will continue to exist, whether we like it or not. Yes, it seems that our leadership did not set such a goal to capture the entire territory. If anyone has heard of this please provide a link. This is also because Russia is simply unable to capture the entire territory due to a lack of weapons in the first place and trained soldiers and officers in the second. There are also other problems. And we will have to live with a hostile Ukraine. There will be no peace. There will be a truce. What can we hope for. It can be assumed that what has already been officially annexed to Russia will be completely ours in kind. This is the minimum that our leadership is unlikely to refuse. Maximum - 38th parallel along the Dnieper. And if Odessa and Nikolaev are also ours, then this is already a complete victory.
                      1. +1
                        15 August 2023 22: 10
                        I hope that above, you read my comment about the Law and 10 points that this Law of the Russian Federation will give. I consider myself a patriot - a pragmatist. The law is needed regardless of the outcome of the SVO. When it comes to a private courtyard, everyone stands to the death. With regard to the territory of Ukraine, for some reason they believe that it is alien. In the Russian Empire (1917) and in the Soviet Union (1991), this territory was Russian, then the state of Ukraine did not exist. What changed?
                      2. 0
                        15 August 2023 22: 34
                        In the USSR, the state of Ukraine existed and was represented in the UN. Just like Belarus.
                        You have some kind of morbid love for the law. There will be a Law and we will all see the sky in diamonds. It will not happen.
                        I agree with the Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh). The state of Ukraine must be preserved. And it will continue to exist. Another matter - in what borders and in what form.
                        The goal was never set to destroy Ukraine as a state. In any case, this was not mentioned from the high stands. The only exception is D. Medvedev's passages.
                        Proceed from the premise that the state of Ukraine will continue to exist. For Russia it is important in what capacity. This is what SVO is for. Yes, this is real war. The largest since World War II. But no one officially declares war. Neither Moscow nor Kyiv. Why? I understand Moscow's position. But why doesn't Kyiv declare war?
                      3. -1
                        16 August 2023 13: 36
                        Alas, everyone has their own opinion based on their knowledge and education, at the level of their development, this is neither good nor bad, it's just how a person is built. No one scolds the mirror because of what is reflected there. Any opinion has the right to life.
                        In the period from 1956 to 1991, the Soviet Union included 15 Union Republics, but there were no states within the USSR.
                        The state and the people are built on laws. This is the difference between people and population.
                        The destruction of the USSR led to the outbreak of wars in the post-Soviet space, and the further, the more conflicts there will be. Next in line for Ukraine is Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, etc.
                        The power of small-town princes, khans, sultans, bais operates on the principle of "Divide and rule."
                        The existence of Ukraine depends on the oligarchs of the Russian Federation.
                        As soon as the choice arises for the oligarchs, their well-fed life or Ukraine, then Ukraine will be put under the knife for slaughter.
                        We wait. With accumulation, quantity always turns into quality.
                      4. +1
                        16 August 2023 15: 00
                        Quote: Bakht
                        Proceed from the premise that the state of Ukraine will continue to exist. For Russia it is important in what capacity.

                        This so-called state of Ukraine can exist solely as an enemy, which means that its existence is a constant threat to us.
  30. +1
    13 August 2023 09: 22
    The minimum is to return to the Russian Federation, Chernihiv, Sumy, Poltava, Kharkiv, Vinnitsa, Cherkasy, Kirovograd, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Kherson (fully), Zaporozhye (fully) and Odessa regions! This is the maximum minimum!
  31. +5
    13 August 2023 10: 22
    Liberal TRAITORS and traitors to Russia are leading to a truce.
  32. +3
    13 August 2023 16: 03
    minimum program for a truce

    Again, liberal skunks are pumping the topic of Minsk-3, 4, 5-10 on the sly.
    No Minsk. Only our victory and Parade on Khreshchatyk in Kyiv!!!
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  34. +2
    16 August 2023 14: 43
    Ukraine under pressure from NATO, can sign everything! ... but no one will do anything, they will prepare for revenge with tripled strength, the war will only be postponed indefinitely.