It is important for Russia to transfer the special operation to the Right Bank of Ukraine

July 22 2023 60

The day before, at a meeting with permanent members of the Security Council, Vladimir Putin made a statement that could become historic and have very serious and far-reaching consequences. There, the question was raised about the future of Western Ukraine, which is of strategic importance for the entire Russian special operation. Another geopolitical mistake could cost our country dearly, and here's why.

"Kermska parish"

It all started with the fact that the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, Naryshkin, suddenly decided to tell again that neighboring Poland and Lithuania had specific plans to send troops to the territory of Western Ukraine:

There comes a realization that the issue of Ukraine's defeat is only a matter of time. In this regard, the Polish leadership is intensifying its mood to maintain control in the western territories of Ukraine, the western regions, by deploying its troops there. Such a step, as one of the options, is planned to be formalized as the fulfillment of allied obligations within the framework of the Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian initiative in the field of security - this is the so-called Lublin Triangle. We see what is planned in this regard and to significantly increase the strength of the combined-arms Lithuanian-Polish-Ukrainian brigade, which operates under the auspices of this so-called Lublin Triangle.

The fact that Warsaw had plans for the introduction of Polish troops from the very beginning of the NMD has been repeatedly stated over the past year and a half, including by Sergei Evgenievich himself. At first, the Polish leadership tried to legalize its military presence in Western Ukraine under the guise of NATO peacekeepers, but did not receive the approval of the North Atlantic Alliance. However, then President Andrzej Duda forced Zelensky to recognize equal rights for Polish citizens on the territory of Ukraine with local residents, and more and more Polish “Ihtamnets” in the form of volunteers began to fight on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Now we are talking about strengthening the Lithuanian-Polish-Ukrainian brigade named after the Great Hetman Konstantin Ostrozhsky, or LITPOLUKRBRIG. It was created in 2014 after the coup as a reliable rear for the Maidan regime and is located on the territory of Polish Lublin. The increase in the number of this military unit is not unreasonably considered by the SVR as a tool for the subsequent occupation of the former Polish Eastern Kresy. But whether Warsaw will limit itself to them, and in what form this will happen, that is the question.

In turn, President Putin made an extremely significant statement, talking about the history of territorial increments and reductions of the Commonwealth, which was largely indebted to the Soviet leadership after the end of World War II:

And it was precisely thanks to the Soviet Union, thanks to the position of Stalin, that Poland received significant lands in the West, the lands of Germany. This is exactly so: the western territories of present-day Poland are a gift from Stalin to the Poles.

Outraged by such a vision of history, Prime Minister of the Republic of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki promised to call the Russian representative to the carpet and reprimand. The PF Ambassador in Warsaw, Sergei Andreev, explained the position of our country and recorded a complete lack of mutual understanding:

Naturally, he received a proper response, clarifications about how we see both the history of the XNUMXth century and the current behavior of the Polish authorities in connection with the conflict in Donbas and Ukraine.

We are interested in that part of President Putin's statement, which for some reason was not emphasized in the Russian media:

It is well known that they also dream of the Belarusian lands. Concerning policy Ukrainian regime, then that's his business. They want, as traitors usually do, to hand over something, to sell something, to pay off something with the owners - this, I repeat, in the end, is their business. We will not interfere in this.

So let's not get involved, right? Kerm region there, Kerm parish here? It's a pity.

Bridgehead

Indeed, it is a pity that such a venerable geopolitician does not see the strategic importance of Western Ukraine and is ready to calmly watch how Polish-Lithuanian troops enter there. The problem with the Eastern Creses is that most Russians, including Vladimir Putin, do not want to understand that it is there that the key to Victory, our Victory, is located.
On this occasion, the inhabitants think as follows: oh, why do we need this Western Ukraine, where everyone hates us, let's take only the Russian-speaking South-East for ourselves and then pretend that there was no NWO. Unfortunately, this will not happen.

Modern Ukraine is a nazified and militarized monster, created for the war with Russia and only for this. This terrorist quasi-state cannot exist independently and in the world, because without external support it will simply collapse, and its “Western partners” are ready to sponsor it only for war with us. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are not able to fight without NATO lend-lease, since the Soviet legacy has almost all ended. At the same time, the main flow of Western weapons and ammunition goes through the Polish border. The idea of giving Western Ukraine to Poland, Hungary and Romania, taking Novorossia for yourself, is almost impossible in practice, since you can only give away what you really have.

Hypothetically, if Warsaw, Budapest and Bucharest officially annex their former lands, this could be some kind of compromise. But who said that they will definitely hold referendums like Crimean, Donbass or Azov?

It is more likely that a full-fledged annexation will not occur, and Eastern Kresy will become a kind of protectorate of Poland, formally independent, but under its military "roof". The “Ukrainian government-in-exile” could also be located there. And this is just a terrible option for the rest of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, since it will be something like Kosovo for unfortunate Serbia. You can’t squeeze out this abscess later without a direct collision with the NATO bloc. And who said that Warsaw would limit itself only to the Eastern Cresses, and would not take Kyiv and Odessa under its control?

To go for such a "partition" of Ukraine means to plant another "atomic bomb", which will subsequently explode. Russia just needs Western Ukraine, but not as a new territory, but as a springboard where you can finish the NWO in your favor. It was already mentioned the day before. said in detailLet's just add a few more words.

The introduction of a large grouping of the RF Armed Forces to Volyn and Galicia from the territory of Western Belarus will interrupt the process of further saturation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with NATO weapons and ammunition. It is from this moment that the countdown of the collapse of the Kyiv regime will begin. It is necessary to carry out such an offensive operation in the winter of this year, when the "brilliant green" leaves and the swamps of Polesye freeze. The transfer of active hostilities from the Left Bank to the Right Bank will make it possible to preserve the integrity of the cities and other settlements of Novorossia and Little Russia. How much time will there be for new Mariupol, Popasny and Artemovsk?

In favor of the use of Volhynia and Galicia as the main springboard, such additional factors also work. Most likely, when the Russian troops approach, the Westerners will simply flee en masse to neighboring Poland, which will simplify the actions of the RF Armed Forces. At the same time, one should not underestimate the mood in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the bulk of whose military personnel are Russian-speaking immigrants from Central and South-Eastern Ukraine and will not be so fanatically fighting to the death for Lviv, Ternopil or Uzhgorod. Russia simply needs to move the NMD to Western Ukraine and do it within six months, using the time for thorough preparation.

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Constantine N

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22 July 2023 14: 59

if poland gets western ukraine, germany wants what stalin gave to poland. Those. all territories will be reviewed following the results of the Second World War. So it will come to Kaliningrad. Putin is trying to bargain or something. That's just the United States needs the complete collapse of Russia, and some territories are a bonus for Europe, Japan and other neighbors. Although this is of course without knowing all the data, one can only assume the worst. But simple logic speaks for itself.
1. Vlad55
  
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  22 July 2023 18: 44
  
  Within the borders of the EU, territorial claims are not relevant. In the future, they will come to a pan-European state, they have no other way to remain competitive and have a place in the sun.
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  1. Dart2027
    
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    22 July 2023 21: 41
    
    Quote: zenion
    We are already seeing progress on this.
    
    Yes, communists and liberals are directly crippled.
Bakht

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22 July 2023 15: 42

Kemsk parish
DO

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22 July 2023 16: 04

It is necessary to carry out such an offensive operation in the winter of this year, when the "brilliant green" leaves and the swamps of Polesye freeze.

Military experts know better when and where to attack. There would be a political order to attack.

Most likely, when the Russian troops approach, the Westerners will simply flee en masse to neighboring Poland

At the beginning of the SVO, there was a similar illusion that cost the Russian army some unjustified losses. Do not step on the same rake again. If we are to fight, then according to all the rules of modern military science, publicly setting the goal of achieving control (possibly Belarusian) over the entire territory of Western Ukraine.
1. Vasya 225
  
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  22 July 2023 16: 54
  
  So then, if you fight, and not spit out of necessity, planning new deals and gestures of goodwill (indecent).
Scharnhorst

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22 July 2023 16: 40

Modern Russia cannot swallow and feed the whole of Ukraine (in the sense of feeding). In no case should you climb on the right bank of the Dnieper - unjustified losses will block territorial gains. By analogy with Khmeimim and Tartus, during the time of the NWO, it would not hurt to establish a Russian-speaking enclave from Transnistria (many citizens of the Russian Federation) and a 70 km long coastline from Chernomorsk through Teplodar to Limansky. And the base of the fleet in Chernomorsk, and the airfield in Limansky, and Odessa at gunpoint, and Fr. Serpentine is useful for controlling sea routes. The real acquisition for the NWO is no less important than the Kaliningrad region.
In passing

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22 July 2023 16: 57

Kremlin towers think in other categories. And it will be what they conceived, and not Sergei Marzhetsky.
1. borisvt
  
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  22 July 2023 21: 24
  
  unfortunately, while you seem to be right, but it's a pity))
whitebeard

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22 July 2023 17: 30

I don't quite agree with the author. The fact that it would be good to transfer the hostilities to the other side of the Dnieper is also correct, but not to the Zapadenshchina, but to the Right-bank "Ukraine" - first of all (and ideally) it would be worthwhile to carry out a high-quality landing operation to occupy the Odessa and Nikolaev regions to cut off "Ukraine" from the sea. If the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can gain a foothold on the southern part of the Right Bank, then in the event of a win on the left bank, our troops will be able to jointly advance along both sides of the Dnieper, and the same Kherson can be liberated much easier with joint strikes from the west and from the southern bank of the Dnieper.

But now it will hardly be possible to carry out such a landing operation, because for this you must first win a general confrontation on the southern Left Bank, where the situation is still far from over. Yes, and the Black Sea Fleet is not so strong as to carry out landings on its own, especially since the forces of its marines, as I understand it, are mainly engaged in YuzhLevober, repelling the Ukrainian attack.

As for the Zapadenschina itself, I doubt that it is necessary to climb there, because the ideological Bandera people will flee to Poland, because for them Galicia is their native territory, the loss of which for them means the end of Ukraine. Therefore, they will fight for the Zapadenshchina even more desperately than for their Zapadensky eastern colonies in the current Donbass, and even if they lose, we will again get many years of partisanship. Especially in Zapadenii they will have a much shorter shoulder of Polish-NATO assistance.

So it would be more reliable to leave a kind of Goblin Reserve in the Western Region, you just need to make sure that it is debanderized to the maximum and then vigilantly guard its borders so that the Mordorian ukro-hai there do not make their way back. This is where the hypothetical new Border Troops come in handy. And let the West pump them up with whatever they want - all European right-wing radicals will merge into this Reserve, where they can be periodically shot during partial air NWOs, similar to how the Americans fought the initial phase of the Storm in the Desert or in Usamabenladen Afghanistan. Those. any military installations in the Zapadenschina will be destroyed from the air, thereby ensuring its demilitarization until it gets tired of sitting under shelling.

Well, the comparison of the author of the Zapadenschina with Kosovo is not very legitimate - Serbia was (and is) isolated in the NATO ring, and the country itself is small and poor, therefore it has neither the strength nor the ability to defend the interests of the Serbian inhabitants of Kosovo. Zapadenschina will be reliably blocked and covered both from the north and from the east, and there will be microscopically Russian-speaking or sympathetic people there.

An attempt at a land cleansing of Zapadeniya will, in my opinion, be excessive and therefore unreasonably time-consuming - Ukrainianism is too rooted there, because in this territory, in fact, it arose and developed. All we can really do is to debanderize it now to the maximum with actions in the rest of "Ukraine", and then make sure that the local Bandera does not have military tools.
1. Vladimir1155
  
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  23 July 2023 08: 13
  
  the Western principle "even if it is Ukraine, even if the Kirpats are rich," it is easier to turn Westerners into normal people than Chechens of the 1990s, Chechens have become normal people, at least not all of them will become Westerners, so it is possible to re-educate them all as in the USSR, and it is quite possible to clean up the entire Western region, even physically, for example, nuclear weapons, and you can take them close to Poland to Poland , but you can go to Siberia, in any case, create a "goblin reserve" in your underbelly, constantly incited and armed, professionally trained in eternal terrorism, blowing up bridges and tunnels, residential buildings and the metro in Russia ... this is just stupidity and betrayal, have you already forgotten Dubrovka, the explosions of houses in Kizlyar, the Budenov school? Buynaksk Volgodonsk Eternal Khasavyurt? and you want to extend it forever, because under the umbrella of NATO? Gorbachev would try to justify himself that he did not assume that his betrayal would lead to a sea of blood throughout the USSR, and now also his own? Do you need eternal Ulster, eternal Kosovo, eternal Chechnya of the 1990s?, eternal Basque terrorists, eternal Gaza, only not with Kasam missiles, but with Hymers from under the NATO umbrella? Whoever chooses shame or war will receive both shame and war. It is necessary to fight to the bitter end until the flag is hoisted over the defeated Reichstag in Uzhgorod, the forces of the Ukrofascists are depleted, and after advancing to the Vinnytsia-Zhytomyr line, the length of the LBS will be reduced, and the NWO can be transferred to a long phase (the Caucasian war lasted 25 years), but to stop death as soon as the NWO is stopped, Ukraine will immediately be accepted into NATO, which was not hidden in Wil nus at the NATO Summit, and then you will have to fight with everything NATO or fight ETERNAL terrorism from under the NATO umbrella, because their task is to defeat us and all the Minsk Gorbachev and other pacts of ribetntrop hammers and the RMSD are not worth the paper on which it is written
Sergei Fonov

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22 July 2023 17: 38

You can only give what you have, it's just like that, and you can only take what you can. Are we capable of carrying out an operation to seize control of Western Ukraine? Now most likely not - than yes. The supply of troops will go through thousands of kilometers of a hostile population, in conditions of mountainous and forested terrain favorable for partisan movement, troops are needed in large numbers to protect the entire road infrastructure. The railways are built there from east to west, so the supply will fall on the shoulders of motorists, and this is not very effective.
Sergey Latyshev

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22 July 2023 18: 02

All these are words.
He said, this one said, the other said...
The media promise either a sultanate, or aliens, or 2000 armats, or Poles in the film ...

But in real life - there is a year and a half of shooting and bombing. Russians are killing Russians (according to Putin), and the State Department is rubbing its hands far away - he didn’t even have to do anything special ...
1. guest
  
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  22 July 2023 20: 15
  
  Quote: Sergey Latyshev
  and the State Department is rubbing its hands away
  
  Well, you, as one of the agents of this State Department, are also rubbing your hands.
2. borisvt
  
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  22 July 2023 21: 26
  
  Well, something needs to be done about it, right? If a dude with a knife is rushing at you, you won’t find out who put the knife in his hand. We must first refresh the attacker, and only then with the giver, as I understand it
Radio

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22 July 2023 18: 08

There is only a legal base at the border established by the League of Nations in 1918 and confirmed by the UN. This border became a reality in 1939. The so-called Ukraine was formed by nationalists under the roof of the German army, taking advantage of the weakness of the Russian army. The Bolshevik national policy of patronage of local nationalists left this entity within the boundaries set by the German army. In the 20s, the Ukrainian National Bolsheviks tried to include the Kuban (a part of Novorossia that was not included in Ukraine) into the borders of Ukraine, but this did not suit Moscow. And only in 1954, Moscow included the Tauride province in Ukraine. Therefore, it is necessary either to return to the division of the territory as it was in the Russian Empire (Little Russia, Novorossia, Tavria), or to form a single province within the framework established by the League of Nations, again including Little Russia, Novorossia, Tavria. All this within the borders of Russia. You can call it by drawing a historical line from Kievan Rus. For example, the Kyiv province. Of course, you can also name Little Russia, because. Little Russians, in meaning, are the original Russians (Boris Yurkevich "Vladimirsky Listok", 1952 "Are we Little Russians or Ukrainians?", http://www.rspp.su/articles/belikovy/bashilov_maloros_ukraine.html)
1. Bakht
  
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  22 July 2023 21: 25
  
  There is only a legal base at the border established by the League of Nations in 1918 and confirmed by the UN.
  
  It's the first time I hear such a thing. Where is 1918, where is the League of Nations and where is the UN....
  There is a legal basis only at the 1975 border, legally confirmed by the Helsinki Agreement, which was signed by all the countries of Europe and the USA. And which no one questioned until 1990. After that, all the Helsinki agreements went down the drain.
  
  The very first sentence shows that there is no point in reading further.
  1. Radio
    
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    23 July 2023 09: 49
    
    This is the Western way of correcting reality. Every year, collect a shobla and sign something beneficial for yourself, and then pass off a "document" as a "legally confirmed" agreement. With all the shortcomings and real helplessness of both the League of Nations and the UN, they must fulfill the role of a constitutional basis in international relations. You would also call the Bretton Woods agreements, Nixon's final rejection of the gold standard and petrodollars legally confirmed Agreements. Not to mention the IMF, a private company that has the world by the throat and allowed the US to run $32 trillion in debt. Those. The United States owes every inhabitant of the Earth, including you, approximately $4000. So try to get this debt from them. Preferably gold, not dollars or oil.
    1. Bakht
      
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      23 July 2023 10: 06
      
      We are talking about legally fixed borders in Europe. The main document is the agreement in Helsinki in 1975. And nothing else. After 1918 and the League of Nations came the Second World War. And in Helsinki, the results of the Second World War were recorded.
      
      Another thing is that the Helsinki Accords are currently violated by many states.
      
      Everything else that you wrote is irrelevant to the topic of discussion.
      1. boriz
        
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        23 July 2023 23: 05
        
        In fact, the border between Russia and Ukraine has not legally existed since April 2019.
        The inviolability of the border was laid down in the Great Treaty, which entered into force on 01.04.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX.
        During 2018 Poroshenko prepared a legal basis for the termination of this agreement, and on 01.04.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX. the agreement was terminated. At the initiative of the Ukrainian side.
        I must say that during this time Ukraine has not been able to mark this border, so it was rather unsteady. But, at least, there was a mention of it in the contract.
        There is currently no agreed border between Russia and Ukraine.
        Here is a gift prepared by Petya Zele in advance. Which leads one to think that Zelya was framed in advance and deliberately. Now he was squeezed like a lemon, it's time for him to meet Bandera. Do your job and leave.
        The same thoughts are suggested by the fact that Poroshenko in February of the same 2019. scored in the Constitution of Ukraine the course towards joining NATO (and to the heap - and the EU), Art. 102 of the Constitution. Which is clearly unacceptable for Russia.
        And now Petya is going to the presidency again, in contrast to Zelensky, who dragged the country into the war and failed it in the end. Like, he is a peacemaker and a wise statesman. Yeah...
        By the way, the situation is the same with the border of Estonia, and this country is a member of NATO ...
      2. Radio
        
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        24 July 2023 09: 20
        
        A crowd of losers (countries that fought on the side of Germany) led by those who did not participate (England and the USA) impose their conditions on the winner (USSR) and you call this the legally fixed borders of Europe. And the point is not at all in the borders, but in the fact that the losers are recognized as victims, and the winner is recognized as the aggressor. The Helsinki Agreement opened the way to distorting the history of the Second World War. After that, any wars of the West (Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc.) are considered a struggle for world peace, and the attempts of the USSR and then Russia to build security zones near their borders (Domansky, Afghanistan, Ukraine) are called aggression. Indeed, legally established agreements are not eternal and the borders of the Rissian Empire established by the League of Nations can be revised, but new laws and borders are established by the winner, not the loser, as was the case in Helsinki. The actions of the West always follow the same pattern. A boy comes out of the gate and asks the passerby to smoke, and when he is refused, the kingpin comes out of the gate and takes away the purse from the passerby. After that, a bunch of "experts" prove that a passer-by who offended a child is an aggressor. The border established by the League of Nations, if possible, divided the peoples, trying to correct the aggressive policy of Austria-Hungary, using the results of the First World War and separating Russia from Poland. Ukraine was invented by the nationalists and supported by the Bolsheviks. Here in 100 years also it is necessary to disentangle. Usually, problems that seem to be problems of today have a long, or even centuries-old history.
        
        Bakht
        
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        24 July 2023 10: 19
        
        What you write doesn't make any sense. It was the USSR that was the active initiator of the meeting in Helsinki. The results of the Second World War were fixed. If you are not aware, then the new border of the USSR was confirmed (in particular, Kaliningrad).
        No losing countries dictated terms. You do not know the axiom that has existed for hundreds of years?
        
        War cancels any treaty.
        
        And stop referring to the League of Nations. This organization is long gone. Now the UN is dying. But neither the UN nor the League of Nations defined the boundaries.
        I must say that you have rather strange ideas about international law and history. If you explain how the League of Nations "separated Russia from Poland" I would be grateful.
        The same applies to your ideas about the Helsinki Agreement. How
        
        The Helsinki Agreement paved the way for the distortion of the history of the Second World War.
        
        only you know. Personally, this is not clear to me. Try to find House's letters to President Wilson. Everything is said there. And back in 1916.
        
        Radio
        
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        25 July 2023 15: 19
        
        You probably forgot or do not know the toast of the 70s "For the 1000th anniversary of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU." These people destroyed Russia. It is Russia. The citizens of Russia had the lowest standard of living with the highest GDP. The highest among the Baltics, the Caucasus and Ukraine. A law was adopted, according to which products from Ukraine were not exported to other republics. The history of Russia was then divided into four periods: pre-Petrine, Petrine, post-Petrine and Dnepropetrovsk. The Politburo of the Central Committee is the initiator of the Helsinki Accords. Are you not funny yourself? Of course, war cancels all treaties that are not beneficial to the winner. You also say that the USSR unleashed the Cold War, and not Churchill's Fulton speech. You also say that Russia entered the First World War because of the Slavic solidarity of the German Emperor with the Serbs, and not because of the access to the Mediterranean, which England promised, the return of Constantinople and the land in Jerusalem, which England promised to the Arabs, French and Jews, but took it for itself. You ask the Americans: "Who won the Second World War?" And 70% will answer you that the USA and England defeated the USSR and Germany, and the remaining 30% will say that the USSR helped defeat the USA, England and France with the help of lend-lease. You still ask the Japanese: "Who was the first to use atomic weapons?" And many will answer you that the USSR. These are all the results of the Helsinki Accords. Who cares what is written in a document that no one has read. It is important how it is presented in the media. You don’t understand because you analyze other people’s opinions, and not facts that you don’t know. Facts are not easy to find out, but only by them can one judge what is happening. This usually happens by accident (in my experience). For example, I learned about the events in Bucha through the following chain: 1. An eyewitness told his school friend that this was a performance. 2. A friend told her mother. 3. Mother told my friend. 4. I learned from a friend. This chain I believe more than the media. There is not a single intersant and biased in it. I have only seen the pictures myself. I noted for myself only one oddity - all the pictures were from the back. So gradually, sometimes after many years, you can understand what happened. You probably still think that Russia attacked Ukraine, and not NATO, led by the United States, wanted to accept Ukraine into NATO contrary to the agreements, and this is a legitimate reason for starting a war.
        
        Bakht
        
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        25 July 2023 15: 29
        
        You have porridge in your head. And the standard technique is to think for me what I did not say. It is useless to argue with such an approach.
        
        And with the actual material you have tension. For example, in the First World War. If you look at the facts, and not your conclusions, you will know that the question of the straits was first formulated in January 1915. AFTER the start of the war.
        
        I don't see the point in commenting on everything else. There are a lot of absurdities in your text. There is not enough power to disassemble everything.
        
        PS Your chain of facts is just laughable. According to the principle of OBS.
        
        Radio
        
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        26 July 2023 11: 28
        
        For those who do not see the forest for the trees, it is difficult to understand what is happening. I do not want to remind you about the barn and firewood, but I do not advise you to believe everything that is written. Are you really that naive or are you pretending? You also write here that laws are adopted for the triumph of justice, and diplomats are racking their brains over how to implement this justice. Krylov read:
        
        It’s your fault that I want to eat.
        
        This is the basic postulate of the international legal system. For normal, ordinary people, this is an unpleasant fact, but you need to understand this and get used to it. About OBS. I trust my woman more than the swindle from the media, which is incomprehensible to anyone. The borders established by the League of Nations show that western Poland can be transferred to Germany under this law, and Poland's claims to Western Ukraine are illegal
        
        Bakht
        
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        26 July 2023 12: 53
        
        Be logical. You write that laws are written by the victors. And then you refer to the same laws.
        Again. The borders established by the Treaty of Versailles and adopted by the League of Nations have long lost their legitimacy. So the borders of Poland were written by the winners in World War II. And they were pushed through contrary to the opinion of Great Britain and the United States. The winner in the war of the USSR. And it is they who are now showing that the claims of Poland or Germany are illegal. By virtue of the decisions of the meeting in Helsinki.
        
        Radio
        
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        27 July 2023 09: 29
        
        The logic is to prepare the ground for the takeover of Ukraine already now. Talk about the need to preserve Ukraine at least in some form and about the economic problems associated with its restoration comes from a misunderstanding of the political situation. A victorious Russia should speak of a century of lawless existence of a nationalist entity organized by Germany and the Bolsheviks. The restoration of the law by the USSR in 1939 is interpreted in the West as the "criminal agreement of Molotov-Rmbentrop" and the demand of modern Poland to return to it the lands of the so-called Western Ukraine, and in fact Little Russia. The Helsinki Accords did not at all limit Poland's claims. Completely reverse situation. Poland retains the lands of Germany, transferred to it by the USSR, as the winner in WWII, and demands the lands temporarily belonging to it in the 13-16 centuries from the legal successor of the USSR - Russia. The essence of the Helsinki Accords is to weaken the USSR, and they achieved this. What we now see. NATO created by the USA and England in order to finish off the USSR, and in fact Russia, the Helsinki Treaty was written so that the USSR could not resist performances like those in Hungary and Czechoslovakia. And it worked in 1990 in Germany (the agreements were fucked up when they stopped serving their initiators). And what do we see now? The countries that fought together with the Nazis in WWII are now fighting together with the United States and England against Russia at the hands of the Russians, who were called Ukrainians in 1919. Obviously, the Helsinki Treaty was one of the most important steps from the victory over Nazism in 1945 by the USSR to the current war of the West against Russia. In fact, as I already wrote, the losers (Western Europe) and those who did not participate (England and the USA) are at war with the winner (Russia).
        
        Bakht
        
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        27 July 2023 09: 44
        
        Complete nonsense. A collection of words without any meaning.
        I see no point in discussing nonsense.
        I will only say one thing. Anyone who denies the Helsinki Accords, those who raise some Versailles Accords out of obscurity, stands in the position of revising the results of the Second World War. And objectively (!) is an enemy of Russia. No matter what beautiful words he puts on his conclusions.
        Don't like Helsinki? Do you like Versailles? Why? Because there is Poland? If you like the borders of the Versailles Treaty so much, then please give Kaliningrad to the Germans, and the Kuriles with South Sakhalin to the Japanese. Be consistent.
        I like the borders of 1914. When there was neither Poland nor Ukraine. But there were no Kuriles either.
        If you do not know or have forgotten, then let me remind you that there was a war and, as a result of the war, the borders in Eastern Europe were drawn by Stalin. That is the USSR. Not Americans, not British. Specifically Stalin. And Helsinki confirmed these borders. What defeat of the USSR in Helsinki you are talking about, only you know.
        That's all. The discussion is over.
        
        Your position exactly corresponds to the American one, which was voiced by Bush.
        
        There will be no more Munich or Potsdam.
        
        Trying to refute the Treaty of Potsdam, you are in the position of revising the results of the Second World War.
        
        I see no point in engaging in this empty discussion anymore.
        
        Radio
        
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        28 July 2023 09: 17
        
        Anyone who accepts the Helsinki Accords is for the collapse of the USSR. Bush was quoted. You would still Brzezinski protsetirovali. This is your problem. You do not see the meaning of what is happening behind the words. You mentioned the Kuriles in vain. The Russo-Japanese War is a provocation by the United States and England against Russia. In Tehran, the operation of the Soviet army against Japan was agreed, including for the return of the Kuriles. The atomic bombs and the US-Japan Separate Treaty were aimed primarily at disavowing these agreements. The United States remained with Okinawa, and the USSR with problems. Of course, the real results of WWII, in accordance with the contribution to the defeat of Nazism, should have been an alliance of Europe against England and the USA. The reasons for WWII are the policy of England and the economic problems of the United States. Helsinki is a continuation of Western pressure on the USSR (actually on Russia).
        
        Bakht
        
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        24 July 2023 10: 23
        
        Addendum about Ukraine. This is a separate topic and too big. Ukraine was invented by General Hoffmann. And there were purely pragmatic reasons for that. And the Bolsheviks accepted one of the points that seemed to them advantageous for the seizure of power. It is called
        
        the right of nations to self-determination.
        
        By the way, the right to secession of Finland was initiated not by the Bolsheviks, but by the Provisional Government.
        
        Returning to Ukraine. Personally, my opinion is that Ukraine should be preserved. But already in new borders. By the same principle
        
        War cancels previous treaties
        
        That is why the Russian leadership leaves the doors open for negotiations.
Vlad55

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22 July 2023 18: 36

By the way, where did our Mister Z disappear? Marzhetsky ran into him and that's it, there is no our mister, he was funny, he built numerical codes and sequences, he tried to see the future)).
Mr. Marzhetsky, why are you tearing your heart out, well, the Kremlin will not go for something like that, Putin thinks differently, he is a special officer, a judoka, he will not go ahead. He would not have started this company at all, if you knew what resistance the Armed Forces of Ukraine will put up, Putin will look for an opportunity to wear down the enemy and conclude an acceptable agreement.
1. Vasya_33
  
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  22 July 2023 20: 01
  
  and what kind of run-in was, where to read?
  1. Vlad55
    
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    22 July 2023 20: 27
    
    Like where, at Marzhetsky's, about three months ago, it seems that Mr. Z flashed for the last time on the Reporter. True, reality had already set his wings on fire by that time, he had become the wrong one, repented, saying that I have the right to make a mistake.
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1. Radio
  
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  23 July 2023 10: 10
  
  A year and a half has passed, and some did not understand why the bazaar. The NWO is being carried out to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, or, in other words, to prevent NATO from standing on the border of Russia. The grain deal was done only to sweeten the pill for Europe. The implementation of this plan was prevented by England in March 2022. B. Johnson arrived and promised Ukraine full support in the war. They are still helping in any way they can. Instead of the SVO, it turned out to be a war with NATO, i.e. with Europe. So this is a long history that began even before the adoption of Orthodoxy by Russia.
For the Russian army

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22 July 2023 20: 24

Let's not interfere with the General Staff. The author does not put a sword in a sheath. In the meantime, the task is to wear down (destroy) the enemy as much as possible. To understand this, I advise you to visit any of our military hospitals.
1. Otto Davar
  
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  22 July 2023 23: 42
  
  About the hospital - very polygamous.
guest

+1

22 July 2023 20: 35

Another fantastic scenario from Marzhetsky, and if 1,5 years ago I would have called it realistic, now it doesn’t even look like science fiction.
zenion

+1

22 July 2023 21: 15

Let's make sure the poor people don't think they'll never be buried. I once read an incident that happened in England. Good people gathered in the ward and decided how to do it so that everyone would fight without money. And there, by chance, a man came in and listened to these speeches. When they stopped talking, this accidentally lost one said that he was ready to work for these people for free. They were delighted and surprised. What do you do good person? And he answered them - I work as a gravedigger.
borisvt

+1

22 July 2023 21: 28

The author is absolutely right. That rare case when I personally - albeit an incompetent layman, but a taxpayer - completely agree with the respected S. Marzhetsky
Ruslan Smorodin

+2

23 July 2023 05: 29

Keep at least what you have. They decide with a smart look what to do with Westerners
Yuri Bryanskiy

+3

23 July 2023 06: 18

Sergey is right. But they don't think so. There are no resources. And most importantly - there is no goal. At this time, the land from Odessa to Kyiv is populated, according to Glazyev. certain people.
Vladimir1155

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23 July 2023 07: 48

I fully support the respected author, not to leave an inch of land to the Ukrofascists, we have already seen all these agreements in Chechnya, there is no need to arrange several wars (and even more so a terrorist war stretched out for centuries) you need to strike while the iron is hot and resolve the issue once and for all
Pravodel

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23 July 2023 09: 32

Something really incomprehensible. The capture of western Ukraine by Poland will immediately complicate the already extremely difficult situation with the Kaliningrad region, and immediately provide Poland and NATO with an additional springboard for an attack on the Kaliningrad region. Western Ukraine, with all its Westernism and Banderaism, is a strategic springboard for Russia to immediately enter the center of Europe, and now - to strike at Poland. Stalin understood this well, and therefore did not give, despite the Bandera, western Ukraine to Poland in 1945.
imjarek

+3

23 July 2023 10: 54

Will the eagle's eye grow dim?
Will we stare at the old?
Fasten the world on the throat
Proletariat fingers!

V. Mayakovsky
unimog1

+2

23 July 2023 12: 40

This has been a perverted reality since 91. Chernomyrdin, Zurabov ...... This is still not "ours", not theirs. As well as all the colossal heritage of the work of our ancestors. The words that we write in the comments should sound much louder and be justified not only by future problems, but also by past victories and merits. And a direct recognition of the stupidity, worthlessness and huckster disinterest of our "leadership" in the future of our people and even, as they imagine and still hope for "their" state. Kemska parish. The house manager is a worthy analogy for our khanuriks for the last 40 years at least, or even from Khrushchev. And ahead like elections. Draw your own conclusions.
pentwer

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23 July 2023 14: 26

Maximalism is good! You can't argue with these calculations, but you can't argue with reasoning. But the author. alas, he is not a member of the General Staff, and even more so higher.
After all, it is more interesting to read the future plans of the authorities, so to speak, to join the great achievements. But, alas, judging by the current course of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense to remove the best military leaders from the zone of the NMD: Teplinsky, Surovikin, Popov and the rest, they do not want to advance either on the right bank, or even liberate the new regions annexed last year. One gets the impression that no progress is planned, even saving the fighters is not important. It is important, apparently, to maintain its monopoly on the management of both the army and the NWO.
Something small-grass settled in the heads and souls of our Napoleons and Alexanders of Macedon
Avarron

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23 July 2023 15: 11

Less than a year later, Mr. Marzhetsky realized the importance of Zapukria. And it seems that it began to dawn on him that it was impossible to leave the memory under the influence of NATO. And how he stomped on me with his feet when I said this about a year ago.
1. Alexey Lan
  
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  23 July 2023 20: 57
  
  Well, what can I say about it! For us, in the current conditions, the best option for the Korean scenario is so far, and the 38th parallel, which would pass along the Dnieper, would be even better if Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa would be ours. Such a dream. In reality, it would be good if we left the Donbass with the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions, and even with their regional centers. One thing I can say, no matter what happens to the hostilities, the Americans will never allow Ukraine to exist, and Western Ukraine has become part of Poland. The Americans need a rusty nail in the ass of Russia, no matter what kind of Ukraine remains, even within the borders of the Lviv region.
2. Beidodir
  
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  24 July 2023 11: 36
  
  And how he stomped on me with his feet when I said this about a year ago.
  
  How much ambition Adore
  And here is what the author wrote in April 2022
  https://topcor.ru/25272-bez-perekrytija-granicy-s-blokom-nato-pobedy-nad-ukrainoj-ne-budet.html
  https://topcor.ru/24500-vostochnaja-evropa-gotova-k-razdelu-zapadnoj-ukrainy.html
boriz

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23 July 2023 23: 30

During the talks between Putin and Lukashenko, a phrase was heard that if, during the invasion of Poland and Lithuania into Western Ukraine, a request for help is made from local residents, the Union State will not leave this request unanswered. Since we are talking about such a request, then getting it will not be a problem. And then no one will understand its legitimacy.
After the start of the NWO, it is no longer possible to leave a piece of Nezalezhnaya.
Even 2-3 years ago, I wrote that part of the northern regions 404 would be given to the Old Man for re-education, the Hungarian part of Transcarpathia - to Hungary. The rest you have to control yourself. Put at the head of the administrations well-motivated comrades from the LDNR, Belgorod and Kursk regions (border regions), well-established Ukrainians like Alabai. This is the commander of Troy, who does not take prisoners. Originally from Zaporozhye.
And the remaining residents of 404 will move on command in formation or running, stand at attention in front of the authorities, answer “yes”, “just like that” and “no way”. The problem ones will disappear somewhere, like they fled to the West.
1. Alexey Lan
  
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  24 July 2023 15: 11
  
  During the talks between Putin and Lukashenko, a phrase was heard that if, during the invasion of Poland and Lithuania into Western Ukraine, a request for help is made from local residents, the Union State will not leave this request unanswered.
  
  I assure you there will be no such request. In addition, Ukraine will continue to exist because Russia simply does not have the strength to capture it all. The only question is in what territory it will remain. For us, the best option is all the left bank plus Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson. And these are just dreams. Closest to the reality of Donbass, Kherson with Zaporozhye and well, if with regional centers. 2023 will show how strong we are. So far, this power is not visible. And from 2024, the West will begin to supply Ukraine with weapons on an ever larger scale - the military industry will start working.
  1. boriz
    
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    24 July 2023 20: 34
    
    I assure you there will be no such request. In addition, Ukraine will continue to exist because Russia simply does not have the strength to capture it all.
    
    Such thoughts are possible only if one rests one's eyes on Ukraine and does not see anything else around.
    What does "no power" mean? It's all about the price issue. We do not need to exchange human lives for time and territory. Everything will come in due time. The West has no opportunity not to rush. They have a war with China on the agenda. The later they start it, the worse it will be for them. Although, if they start tomorrow, this is not a guarantee that everything will end well for them.
    And starting a war with China, having an unfinished conflict with Russia in Ukraine, is completely impossible.
    1. Alexey Lan
      
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      25 July 2023 18: 55
      
      They have a war with China on the agenda.
      
      Yes, there will be no real war with China. And who promotes this nonsense. Even the war in the small country of Vietnam was difficult for the United States. And with China??? There will be trade and economic wars. Sanctions. Prohibitions. That's all wars.
Anton Kuzmin

0

24 July 2023 12: 37

Quote: Vlad55
Within the borders of the EU, territorial claims are not relevant. In the future, they will come to a pan-European state, they have no other way to remain competitive and have a place in the sun.

Do you think that the collapse of the EU is unrealistic or will not be very soon?
Lieutenant reserve

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24 July 2023 13: 47

Complete nonsense, apparently the author needs a long bloody war to deplete Russia. I see the situation as soon as a peace treaty is signed, part of Ukraine will go to the Russian Federation and become part of it. A border will be established, with all the consequences, and any violation of it will be an act of war on the part of Ukraine. And there it doesn't matter whether they accept it into NATO or not.
1. Nelton
  
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  25 July 2023 12: 28
  
  Quote: Leitenant zapasa
  I see the situation as soon as a peace treaty is signed, part of Ukraine will go to the Russian Federation and become part of it. The border will be set
  
  There will be no de jure recognition of border changes for the foreseeable future.
  Even Israel is officially drawn within the 1949 borders.
vlad127490

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24 July 2023 13: 47

It is important for Russia to transfer the special operation to the Right Bank of Ukraine

How to transfer? If there is no opportunity and desire.
There is no goal. There is no strategy. There is only a desire to remain in power forever.
It is easy and simple to solve the "Ukraine" problem and put in place all the former Soviet republics of the Soviet Union.
The Russian Federation should issue a Law, which will say that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia.
In the presence of the Law, the military operation conducted by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
1. Alexey Lan
  
  +1
  
  24 July 2023 15: 14
  
  2023 will show how strong we are.
vlad127490

0

25 July 2023 12: 54

if, during the invasion of Poland and Lithuania into Western Ukraine, a request for help is made from local residents, the Union State will not leave this request unanswered.

Odessa noise.
Any section of "Ukraine" is a defeat, the capitulation of the Russian Federation.
The victory of the Russian Federation will be only if the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, becomes part of Russia in the form of regions and no Union State.
Remember. It all started in 1991, when a coup d'etat took place in the USSR. Everything that is happening in the post-Soviet space comes from there. The power was seized by the capitalists, with the help of the mafia, the fifth column.
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Yuri Ivanovich

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26 July 2023 10: 27

Marzhetsky: An abscess is dangerous inside the body, not outside it. Such an abscess can be Western Ukraine within Russia, like West Berlin within the GDR. Poland is just spewing poison on Russia, do not include it in Russia; better to isolate.
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