The Big Game: Does Russia's Defeat in Ukraine Benefit China?

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There is a fairly popular point of view that the armed conflict on the territory of Ukraine between Russia and a coalition of fifty countries led by the United States is a kind of prelude before a real clash of the “hegemon” with the Celestial Empire. This is probably what it is. The problem for us, the Russians, is that, as a result of the NWO, from a subject of world geopolitics, Russia can, under a certain combination of negative circumstances, turn into its object.

Unlearned lessons


Some time ago, Moscow was considered Washington's main military adversary, since only Russia has a full-fledged "nuclear triad" and is really capable of destroying the United States, if desired, and at the same time a united Europe with Japan. Like smart people, the American elites did not contact our country directly, but simply invested ridiculous money in organizing a coup d'état in neighboring Ukraine, some miserable $ 5 billion, bringing the Russophobic Nazi regime to power.



In 2014, the Kremlin faced a choice - to intervene in the ongoing events or not, but, as we know, chose not to do so. The legitimate President Yanukovych, supported by the allied Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, was not returned to Ukraine. They did not send Russian troops into Novorossiya. Moreover, President Putin personally asked the residents of Donbass to postpone the holding of a referendum on self-determination. If it weren’t for Strelkov’s group with his stubbornness in Slavyansk, there would be no DPR and LPR today. Instead of recognizing and supporting them in opposition to the Kyiv regime, the people's republics have been trying stubbornly for eight years to push them back into Ukraine through the Minsk agreements. The cynicism of what was happening then can be judged by the public statement of the head of Sberbank German Gref, who back in 2015 said verbatim the following:

It would be better if you wrote something good, otherwise you will soon have to wipe your tears because of unjustified hopes. Donbass will not be ours, is it really incomprehensible? He neatly merges the situation!

Eight years after the Maidan, President Putin nevertheless launched a special operation in Ukraine, but very late. In the fifteenth month of the NMD, Russian troops surrendered vast territories, are standing on the "stubs" of the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov and Donbass and are waiting for the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Wherein in the West are seriously convincedthat the Ukrainian army will be able to completely knock out the Russian one, leaving only Sevastopol to the Kremlin, and after that, Nezalezhnaya can become part of the NATO bloc.

Dynamics, as doctors say, is negative. We are interested in how what is happening between Russia and Ukraine is consistent with the confrontation between the United States and China.

Lesson learned?


Since we do not have “our little man” in Beijing, we will have to make conclusions with certain assumptions only based on well-known facts. Of course, there are no claims to the truth in the last resort. So what do we see?

At the initial stage of the Russian NMD, China took a strictly wait-and-see attitude, wanting first to see who it would take. This was especially interesting for Beijing, given the PLA's long-planned special operation to retake Taiwan. The results demonstrated by the second army of the world, the Chinese partners are clearly not very impressed. The war in Ukraine from "small and victorious" began to turn into a positional one, to deplete resources that Russia has far from endless. The question arose about the so-called Chinese lend-lease, which, to put it mildly, would not interfere with the RF Armed Forces in confrontation with the united militarytechnical and the industrial power of the NATO bloc.

Many were waiting for some kind of breakthrough after the pretentious three-day visit of the head of the Communist Party of China Xi Jinping to Moscow. However, no Chinese tanks, no artillery shells, no rockets have been seen at the front so far. Why?

One can only speculate about this. Perhaps, Comrade Xi was not addressed with such a request at all. Perhaps there was a request, but in return the Chinese asked too much. Or maybe the head of the Communist Party of China himself was ready to provide "lend-lease" so that Russia would publicly "snap" the American puppets, but simply did not see the readiness to go to the end, to the border with Poland. This is unknown to us. Perhaps someday, years later, Xi Jinping will tell something about this in his memoirs. But the fact remains that the PRC has not provided Lend-Lease, at least not one that can be seen with the naked eye.

What happened next was very unpleasant and disturbing. China voted in favor of a UN resolution for the first time, which contained legal language accusing Russia of aggression against other countries. Here is an excerpt from the text:

… given that the unprecedented challenges facing Europe today after the aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine, and before that against Georgiaand the termination of the membership of the Russian Federation in the Council of Europe require strengthening cooperation between the UN and the Council of Europe, in particular in order to promptly restore and maintain peace and security based on respect for sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of any State, ensure respect for human rights and international humanitarian law in times of hostilities, redress victims and hold accountable all those responsible for violating international law...

After that, Beijing sent its messengers already to Kyiv to try to freeze the armed conflict, appealing to the opposite side. Chinese Government Special Representative for Eurasian Affairs Li Hui recently met personally with President Zelensky, proposing a peace formula based on the four principles on the Ukrainian conflict put forward by President Xi Jinping (respect for sovereignty, upholding the UN Charter, taking into account the concerns of each side, and using peaceful methods to resolve the conflict). There are rumors that in return, China even promised the Ukrainian leadership investments in the reconstruction of the country. However, Zelensky, confident in a military victory, did not accept the proposal, and the Foreign Ministry of the Square issued the following statement:

Ukraine does not accept any proposals involving the loss of its territories or the freezing of the conflict.

Time will tell how the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will end. A variety of options are possible - from defeating the advancing enemy to "taking positions more advantageous for defense." We will see you soon and wish good luck to those of us who are now on the LBS.

The Big Game


But back to the confrontation between the US and China. Why did Beijing suddenly decide to move away from its policy of non-intervention and become the main peacemaker of the planet?

Because it is beneficial for him to prevent Russia from being defeated by Ukraine, to preserve our country as a reliable rear, and also to protect his transport corridors of the New Silk Road from Asia to Europe, preventing the latter from becoming a direct enemy of the Celestial Empire. And we can see how both sides exchanged counter blows.

On the one hand, after a visit to Beijing, President Macron received a whole bunch of signed investment agreements with China and suddenly started talking about the fact that France and Europe should become sovereign. On the other hand, negotiations began on opening a NATO office in Japan, and the countries of Central Asia, under pressure from the United States, made it clear that they were ready to impose anti-Russian sanctions. It is quite obvious that for now, a weakened Russia is under attack, but then sanctions will be introduced against China. Moreover, they will be introduced not only by poor Central Asian states, but also by rich European ones. The rapprochement of the North Atlantic Alliance, which is objectively geographically tied to the Old World, with Japan is clearly aimed at inciting Europe against China.

Let us now return to the conflict in Ukraine. If events at the front, for some unknown reason, go in the worst possible way for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and “new regions” are lost militarily, internal political events in our country may go haywire. Unfortunately, the justified indignation of the patriotic public on the eve of the presidential elections in March 2024 can be used by the Peace Party, inspiring the so-called Patriotic Maidan. As often happens, using the justified anger of ordinary people, those who pursue not national, but only their own selfish interests can eventually come to power upon returning back to the Western world, at least as junior partners. Something similar happened in 2014 in Kyiv.

And then - a shameful peace with Ukraine, the return of territories as of 1991, so that part of the sanctions on the commodity sector were lifted economics and specific oligarchs, the privatization of the remnants of state property with its transfer through offshores under the indirect control of Western TNCs, the payment of reparations to the Kiev regime under the guise of "assistance in restoration", etc. Post-Maidan Russia itself is already at risk of turning into "Ukraine-2", only for China . As Nezalezhnaya after the coup was used for a proxy war against our country, so our country in such a negative scenario will become a "ram" in the hands of "Western partners" against the Celestial Empire. The question is, will Beijing sit back and watch what is happening?

Or, if the attempted coup d'état succeeds, will Moscow preventively bring in the PLA to create a buffer "Novokitai" from the Amur to the Urals? There should be no illusions about this. So the head of European diplomacy, Borrell, in a private letter to EU foreign ministers expressed the following considerations:

The problem from China is much more serious than the problem from Russia. Beijing is clearly committed to building a new world order with China at the helm. ... The defeat of Russia in Ukraine will not change the goals of Beijing. China will be able to derive geopolitical benefits from this.

Or maybe it’s not worth bringing it to this at all and you just need to start fighting seriously against Ukrainian Nazism? We can still win if we fight smart.
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  1. +4
    19 May 2023 15: 51
    Does China benefit from Russia's defeat in Ukraine?

    Definitely not. The reason is obvious. Having coped with Russia, the West will take over China. This is certainly understood in China. But the triumphant victory of Moscow is also clearly not in China's suit. Most likely, the Celestial Empire needs a permanent war that sucks the juices out of competitors. In the language of Confucius, it is best to be "a wise monkey watching from a hill the battle of two tigers." Figuratively speaking, China needs Russia not to lose, but not to win)
    1. +1
      19 May 2023 17: 34
      To deal with China (provided that there is a great desire it do), the West only needs a fleet and sanctions, a confrontation with Russia will not interfere with this. It is enough to organize a blockade of China (at the moment, whatever one may say, NATO fleets are much stronger), and its economy tied to foreign trade will collapse. Another question is that there is no desire to escalate the situation so much.
    2. -1
      20 May 2023 20: 11
      It's a stupid question here. It does not matter what is beneficial or not for China and the devil knows who else - it is important that the defeat should not be beneficial for Russia itself! It sounds stupid, even wild, doesn't it? But the fact is - the lion's share of our "top", the elite or the establishment does not dare to call this abomination the tongue, - it is definitely ready to surrender everything, it was precisely these who became policemen in the Great Patriotic War!
      And the funniest thing is that it would be nice if we had a serious enemy, otherwise it’s just a bunch of scoundrels armed with "respectable partners", but against our main "thieves-commanders" from the Moscow Region, even they can seem like a real force!
      But speaking realistically, a gang from country 404 cannot win against a country not only 5 times more in terms of population, with an army whose budget is 20 times more, from a country with the largest nuclear club, larger than all the others combined , that's just one problem - "the hernerals wet their pants", this is our "top" at the top, and there - she licks her boots, forgive me, sucks no matter what!
  2. +5
    19 May 2023 16: 02
    And on a fig to look in a mouth to China?
    Why somehow tie the CBO to it? 6 thousand km between them.
    It all looks like an attempt to justify something.

    But in real life: China did not recognize Crimea or anything. China buys cheap resources from us and resells them to NATO and the EU. China supported part of the Western sanctions against Russia.
    Medvedev and Lavrov were laughing behind the back of the SI and Putin who had arrived.

    What else is needed then?
    1. +2
      19 May 2023 16: 28
      China is a strategic companion until the first major crossroads, then only a more or less friendly neighbor. But he will definitely not be our enemy in this century. He theoretically can get the territory of Russia, but not the people. China understands this, so they will act gently without running into confrontation. And it is not known what will happen to China's export-oriented economy when the world economy collapses and sales markets in the countries of the "golden billion" collapse. The domestic market will not be able to ensure GDP growth, so it will be necessary to be friends with neighbors.
  3. -4
    19 May 2023 16: 15
    Clearly, an article about the great Strelkov. He will move China if the Motherland asks.
  4. +6
    19 May 2023 16: 33
    All the problems in Russia and in Russia are due to officials. Their darkness has divorced, and none of them is worth a damn. The current government is not about war and Victory, but about loot and personal gain. I would voice a lot ... But I'm already afraid that they will block it here too.
    1. +1
      19 May 2023 16: 58
      This is the problem of all countries in this conflict. What is the US with the EU, what Ukraine in particular. They talk a lot about victory and justice, but they themselves only share the money from the supply and resale of weapons, and Ukraine runs around and shouts: "Give it, give it!" Just who will be more stable? Russia or them? Ukraine needs 1-2 orders of magnitude more than they are currently giving, and the United States is going to reduce and freeze the conflict.
      1. +2
        19 May 2023 17: 35
        Well, let's compare economies and see who is more stable.

        And about

        The US is going to reduce and freeze the conflict

        been writing for a year now.
        1. -1
          19 May 2023 17: 54
          Wait and see. Wait until 2024-2025. Ukraine practically does not have its own military-industrial complex. Delivering equipment to it and taking it back for repair is costly and time-consuming. The United States now has enough of its own problems, and in order to maintain parity in Ukraine, much more costs are needed than they are currently allocating. By the end of this year, further developments will already be clear. Will the war last for a couple more years with Russia's access to the borders of the western regions of Ukraine or freeze the conflict after Ukraine loses a couple more regions.
          1. +4
            19 May 2023 17: 58
            And I've heard that too...

            Wait until 2023 - wow, the West will start to fall apart.

            During the Cold War, the United States spent dozens of times more than now and did not take a steam bath. The deal "weapons in exchange for the lives of Russians" is just a royal gift for them, plus crazy profits for the military-industrial complex. It is ridiculous to say that conflict is unprofitable for them. On the contrary, the longer the better.

            To the borders of the western regions, yeah. In a couple of years, another 3-4 Artemovsk will be taken at such a pace.
            1. 0
              19 May 2023 20: 53
              They explained to you, wait until 2024, and then downvote for your opinion. Do you want all of Europe? Stalin responded to this in 1945:

              What will we feed?

              Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Chernihiv and Sumy regions are enough for Russia. And then there will be a frontier like in the USA in the 19th century. If they want, they will join in parts. We do not need partisanship, and life in the wild Ukraine can greatly influence the choice of the population, whether they go to Russia or to Europe, where they will not be expected. No one promised an easy year 2023. Increasing the costs of the US conflict is not beneficial. We need not 40+ billion a year, but 500 billion, then we can still talk about the sufficiency of Ukraine's weapons, the cost of NATO weapons is very high + logistical leverage. To cut costs, you need to go to mass production and transfer the economy to a military footing. Europe will not pull it, the US itself needs weapons for defense and future conflicts. The Republican House of Representatives will not allow spending on Ukraine without concrete results this year.
              1. +2
                19 May 2023 21: 23
                I don't know who downvoted.

                And here is the annexation of Europe, the forecasts for this year were that the de West would not withstand the confrontation and freeze / fall apart / the dollar would collapse / surrender Ukraine. Next year will probably be just as optimistic and just as unrealistic.

                Oh yes, we are not in a hurry, we have a strategy of grinding / slow offensive ... Well, firstly, this is an admission of the failure of the original blitzkrieg strategy, and secondly, 100 years ago, someone tried exactly the same strategy against a country supported by the collective West I hope you know how it ended.

                It is unprofitable for the United States to force enemy No. 1 to bear wild costs in all plans, including material, human and reputational resources. Oh how. And you don’t have to consider their costs, you look at the profits of their military-industrial complex. And then on their budget. And then to their printing press. And what military rails? Even now, without any transition of the economy to the wartime regime, spending on the military-industrial complex of NATO countries has jumped sharply. Do you think this is not enough for Ukraine? Or maybe enough, given that even with the current not so hot support, she successfully defends herself. Yes, and Europe is far from being the main supplier, while the United States has enough stocks of weapons for everyone.
                You should not count on the unfounded statements of individual Republicans about the possible termination of support for Ukraine. The Republicans also want the defeat of Russia and, most importantly, they really want fabulous profits from the military-industrial complex, which is being promoted by the Ukrainian conflict.

                Okay, if you want to continue to believe in Manilovism - your right.
  5. +6
    19 May 2023 16: 34
    China definitely does not benefit from a strong Russia. But the defeat of Moscow by Ukraine and the West is also not smiling. China benefits from a weak, sanctioned, accommodating Russian Federation that supports the PRC economy with cheap resources, and China is acting accordingly.
    1. 0
      20 May 2023 16: 44
      That's pretty much how it looks, unfortunately...
  6. -1
    19 May 2023 17: 28
    We cannot live without each other.

    Especially in the modern world. From whatever side we look, the security of our countries depends only on agreement among themselves. They may be clouded, but this will not lead to a break. They can be clouded for only one reason. China offers to make peace between Ukraine and Russia. By ignoring this call, whether we like it or not, we are hurting Xi's reputation. After all, the peace proposal came from him.
  7. +1
    20 May 2023 06: 49
    The most interesting thing is that in these difficult years for Russia, the United States is the biggest beneficiary. Andrey Devyatov spoke on this occasion. You can argue with his words, but something attracts attention. "China is screaming at Russia. Stop strengthening the US." While the operation is underway, the United States has disarmed Europe. And they continue to disarm. Then, for a lot of money, to put new types of weapons. Perhaps there is some logic in his words?
  8. +4
    20 May 2023 12: 00
    Earlier, I wrote something related to Ukraine. Beijing behaves according to the principle "both yours and ours." In any case, whether the Russian Federation wins or loses, Beijing wins, which is why Beijing behaves like this. Beijing needs Moscow as a supplier of cheap resources and a sales market, and a safe border in the north - that's all. With the defeat and collapse of the Russian Federation, the territory of the Far East and part of Siberia, China will take it for itself. In the Far East of the Russian Federation, 6 million Russians live, and the Chinese, on the contrary, 250 million. China dreams of a unipolar world, where China is the hegemon. There are 2,0 billion Chinese in the world, which is 25% of the total population of the Earth. The nomination of the PRC to the first place by the Russian Federation, the game of multipolarity, is playing with fire. At present, China has already benefited from the Russian war in Ukraine. Now China is the second largest superpower in the world. China has problems with territory, with fossil resources, with a food base, with overpopulation, etc., and it needs to solve them. How? Now China is developing Africa, it is not known there. The countries of Southeast Asia know what China is, so they are being careful with China. Flirting and hoping for help from China is naivete, bordering on a crime against the people of Russia. China is a neighbor that can stab in the back at any moment. This must always be remembered.
    1. -1
      20 May 2023 14: 31
      I admire the stupidity of people. Why does China need a refrigerator if they are fleeing from their North? Well, the Americans will not watch how China takes. They don't need it. They will quickly impose a bunch of sanctions on China and it will collapse. And already Chinese territories will be divided.
  9. +2
    20 May 2023 12: 06
    The funny thing is that the victory of Russia is not beneficial to him either. China wants to take the place of the United States, but does not let Russia take this place))
    1. 0
      20 May 2023 14: 33
      China cannot take the place of the United States, since it is a purely regional power.
      1. -1
        20 May 2023 17: 43
        Quote from Smilodon terribilis nimis
        China cannot take the place of the United States, since it is a purely regional power.

        And who will take this place? After all, everyone is sure that the global West (idiots) is living its last days before its collapse. And the English language is dead. Hegemon Russia? Even more incredible than China.
        1. 0
          13 July 2023 01: 30
          Time will tell who.
          What's more incredible? Russia under a different name was already one of the leaders of the world. But China in its three-thousand-year history never. It is incredible if Switzerland will crush the whole of Europe with a military armada.
  10. -1
    20 May 2023 13: 20
    Quote: Andrey Naumov
    Clearly, an article about the great Strelkov. He will move China if the Motherland asks.

    It's not for you to judge Strelkov, did you participate in the defense of Slavyansk?
  11. -2
    20 May 2023 14: 36
    You need to look not at GDP, but at PPP. This is first. Second, let's imagine two countries. Each country produces goods for 1 tugrik throne. They seem to be equal. But the first country says, let's legalize prostitution and drugs, they will pay taxes on this. Let's legalize bribes, call it lobbying, and they will pay taxes on it. Let's make our currency global and we will get a percentage of this. Let's introduce stock exchanges and various derivatives. This will increase the value of our goods and increase taxes. And now the first country adds another 2 trillion tugriks to the GDP. And we get the first country 3 trillion. tugriks, the second 1 trillion. Tugriks. And all of a sudden they scream. Fu second country sucks, it has 3 times less GDP. Although in reality, according to PPP, they will be the same. And in the event of a crisis, a country with an inflated GDP will suffer more than the second, which relies on real things. Therefore, we do not need to tell us about the scarce resources in Russia. These are real resources. And not inflated candy wrappers the Fed. Before the NWO, 55% of world trade was in these wrappers. A year has passed and it has become 47%. And at less than 40%, the American economy will begin to collapse, because. America will not be able to service its debts. That is why there they increase rates in the NWO. They need a solution to the issue of Ukraine in their favor before the end of the year. Otherwise, the United States may not live to see relations with China with its new Great Depression. They started the first and second MWs with the rise of their economy. And then full * oops.
    1. +2
      20 May 2023 16: 29
      Like it's an unsolvable problem. They will arrange a war for Taiwan, the Chinese economy will collapse from the blockade and sanctions, and the American one will rise in the war and redistribution of markets, as usual.

      The United States is never going to pay its debts, and everyone knows this and swallows it. As for the dollar, Western countries will never give up dollar settlements (they will not be allowed), and the West is more than 40% of the world economy.

      By the way, in terms of PPP, the US GDP is 5 times higher than that of Russia and only slightly lower than that of China. If we add to the United States all of their allies who work for the United States, then the picture is quite sad.
    2. 0
      20 May 2023 19: 50
      Quote: Griffit
      They started the first and second MWs with the rise of their economy. And then full * oops.

      Yeah. The second they started on a special rise. In what year did they place a bet on Adolf? At 32? Right at the peak of his rise.
  12. +1
    20 May 2023 16: 51
    The problem for us, the Russians, is that, as a result of the NWO, from a subject of world geopolitics, Russia can, under a certain combination of negative circumstances, turn into its object.

    Such a dangerous possibility undoubtedly exists.

    Why did Beijing suddenly decide to move away from its policy of non-intervention and become the main peacemaker of the planet?

    It is a paradox, but it seems that China is not interested in the continuation of the NWO and our victory, just as it is not interested in our crushing defeat ...
    ps It is worth noting that (as I expected) the leadership of the PRC "did not appreciate" in a clear and real way the public support from our leadership on the Taiwan issue ...
    1. 0
      20 May 2023 18: 17
      So real (not in words) the Russian Federation with Taiwan cannot help in any way. And if so, what is the point for China to really harness for the Russian Federation? So he gradually shows his teeth: they say, that's enough, finish already, tired.
  13. 0
    20 May 2023 17: 36
    Quote: Andrew
    when the world market collapses and sales markets in the countries of the "golden billion" collapse. The domestic market will not be able to ensure GDP growth, so it will be necessary to be friends with neighbors.

    we are not a very great assistant to China with a small and poor population in saving its economy if sales markets in the countries of the "golden billion" collapse. More like a competitor. The less food, the angrier the predator..