If Russia had not withdrawn troops from the north of Ukraine, the prospects for the special operation could have been different

If Russia had not withdrawn troops from the north of Ukraine, the prospects for the special operation could have been different

One of the main secrets of the first stage of the special military operation for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine is what motives the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces was guided by when ordering the start of a heroic landing near Gostomel, and subsequently the withdrawal of all Russian troops from the North of Ukraine. Opinions on this subject are diametrically opposed, so let's try to generalize them and find the truth. At the same time, let us ask ourselves the question, could something on the Eastern and Southern fronts go differently today, if other decisions were announced in Istanbul then?


Strike from the North



If you look at the map of Ukraine, then a strike from the territory of neighboring Belarus on Kyiv clearly suggests itself. The capture of the enemy’s capital within the framework of traditional ideas about the conduct of hostilities implies either his surrender, as in Berlin in May 1945, or the collapse of the entire control and defense system, the demoralization of the population and the Armed Forces, which is also a guarantee of victory. However, the 30-40 Russian military allocated for a swift march on Kyiv was objectively not enough either to capture a huge multimillion-strong metropolis with a 100-strong garrison, or even to reliably block it. These oddities, in the conditions of the deaf silence of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on this issue, gave rise to various assumptions trying to explain what happened.

So, let's go through the main hypotheses "from the people" and independent military experts.

Version 1. Military putsch.

It seems that the popular Ukrainian-Russian video blogger Yuriy Podolyaka was the first to introduce the version of the Kremlin’s attempt to arrange an apex coup in Kyiv into the media space. Everyone immediately picked her up, because she can explain many oddities. Indeed, there is a rational grain in the desire to replace the pro-Western protege Zelensky with some conditionally pro-Russian one, like Medvedchuk, by doing it with little bloodshed. President Putin's public calls for the Ukrainian military to take power into their own hands are also, as they say, "in cash." The problem is that not small children are sitting on the other side.

"James Bonds" quickly packed Medvedchuk "in the basement." There are persistent rumors that in the first days and hours after the start of the special operation, the Ukrainian special services and the Nazis consistently shot all potential allies of Moscow in high ranks. It is known that many Ukrainian security officials preferred to quickly hide abroad, apparently fearing not so much the Russian military as their own. In general, the version is quite suitable precisely because of the rational grain contained in it.

Version 2. Conspiracy.

About why the Gostomel airport became the number one goal in the NWO, we told previously. Some time ago, the well-known Russian economist Mikhail Khazin, citing his own sources in the intelligence of the DPR, reported that on board the Mriya super-heavy cargo plane, which stood at the site of the Antonov enterprise near Kyiv, there could be several nuclear explosive devices transferred by the British special services for carrying out strikes by the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the Russian cities of Belgorod or Rostov-on-Don. Given the immoral appearance of the real "Bonds", there is nothing particularly surprising.

Such a scenario cannot be ruled out. The hasty resignation of Prime Minister Boris Johnson may serve as an indirect confirmation of this version. A little more sane Anglo-Saxon elites in this way could show Boris that he was completely wrong in passing the “vigorous loaf” to some thieving “natives”.

Version 3. Distracting maneuver.

This point of view is very popular in circles around the war, and it also has its own rational grain. The fact is that the RF Armed Forces have to operate on a vast territory against a numerically many times superior enemy. Russian troops entered Ukraine from the North, from the East and from the South. In the very first days after the start of the special operation, the Kherson region, strategically important for the defense and supply of Crimea, was successfully occupied, and an offensive began on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. The attack on Kyiv by Belarus, or rather, its imitation, was supposed to tie up significant forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine precisely for the defense of the capital, simplifying the task for the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces in other directions.

This version can explain a lot, but it does not unequivocally and exhaustively answer the question why Russian troops were then completely withdrawn from northern Ukraine. Let's try to deal with this.

Why brought out?



The official version of the withdrawal of all Russian troops from the Kyiv region was given by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov in an interview with another Western publication:

To create favorable conditions for negotiations, we wanted to make a goodwill gesture. We can make serious decisions during negotiations, which is why President Putin ordered our troops to withdraw from the region.


As you know, sometimes it's better to chew than to talk. Such “gestures of goodwill” in the majority of Russians who are afraid of the conditional “Minsk-3” cause nothing but negativity. However, there are more rational explanations.

So, for example, it sounds quite reasonable that it was already spring in the yard, and the green light was about to go, using which, familiar with the area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard, they could turn the presence of the RF Armed Forces near Kyiv and their regular supply. Just to stand under the Ukrainian capital, not being able to take it by force, while suffering constant heavy losses, would be the wrong decision. That is, standing somewhere in a field surrounded by forests is simply dangerous. On the other hand, it was then that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cut off the water supply to the DPR and LPR, putting them on the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe. Given the low level of combat capability of the mobilized "policemen", it was necessary to urgently deploy a regular Russian army with heavy weapons to the Donbass.

However, some sense of understatement still remains. Despite the fact that the RF Armed Forces have been completely withdrawn from the North of Ukraine and transferred to the Donbass, they are still not fully involved in hostilities, which could hasten the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Not only did the Ukrainian Nazis staged a “massacre in Bucha”, they also got the opportunity to shell the Russian border regions, which they have been doing on a regular basis for several months now. The question of whether it was necessary to withdraw from Kyiv is not even worth it, but was it necessary to leave the North of Ukraine at all?

Let's imagine what would happen if the Russian troops were ordered to withdraw to the border and create a security belt along it, building a powerful fortified area. Also suppose that instead of blocking Chernigov and Sumy, they were ordered to take them. Would it be the second "Mariupol"?

Is not a fact. Everything turned out so hard with Mariupol for two reasons: the most stubborn ideological Nazis dug in there, and the city itself had been preparing for defense for years and was oversaturated with the latest Western weapons that were being accumulated for a large-scale offensive on the territory of the DPR and LPR. Was it all in Sumy or Chernihiv? No. If the Russian troops were ordered not to block, but to take these regional centers, most likely, things would have gone according to the scenario of Severodonetsk and Lysichansk, when the garrison would have preferred to leave along the corridor provided to it. And what would the liberation of two such large cities in the North of Ukraine give us, as well as the creation of a security belt along the border?

In fact, a lot. Having such a permanent threat hanging from the north to their capital, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be forced to keep huge forces near Kyiv. Moreover, for ideological reasons, they would have to constantly attack them, trying to knock them out. Given the colossal superiority of the RF Armed Forces in artillery and operational dominance in the air, the North of Ukraine could become a place where the most combat-ready enemy forces would be “grinded” on a regular basis. The pressure on the DPR and LPR would naturally weaken, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not pose such a threat to the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions.

In today's situation, when it comes to the attack on Kherson, the creation of a threat to Kyiv from the north in order to disperse its forces may again make sense.
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  1. skeptic Offline skeptic
    skeptic 30 July 2022 12: 07
    -8
    And you don’t admit that now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have every chance, with a swift spurt, to capture the largest possible number of future Nord-Osts on the territory of Russia itself? This will allow not only to reclaim their lands back, but also to lower the reputation of the Russian Federation (at the international level) below the plinth. The more settlements are captured, the more ultimatums or deaths of the Russian population will be. And all this will be broadcast from every Western iron. If our General Staff of the Armed Forces is smart enough to block all routes with troops not involved in the NWO, this can be prevented. Today, "ZE" and the West, such an operation will allow to get out of the "zrada", into the "peremoga". I really want to believe that Shoigu will not let such a catastrophe come true.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 July 2022 12: 17
      0
      You have come to the address. This horror story can be expanded into a series of articles.
    2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 July 2022 17: 14
      0
      The minuses were instructed, and the article was written quickly.
    3. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
      NikolayN (Nikolai) 31 July 2022 16: 30
      -1
      Well, what are the Nord-Osts? It was a war with a shadow: there was nowhere to hit. And here are a lot of excellent targets on the territory of the former Ukraine. Whatever you want, choose one. Maybe lions, maybe cues, some kind of devil. Any attempts of Kyiv scumbags in large-scale terror will choke in their own blood.
    4. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 31 July 2022 22: 53
      +1
      Useki boy, when crossing the borders of the Russian Federation by the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this will be the end of ALL UKRAINE,. for a general war for Russia will begin ...
  2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 30 July 2022 12: 22
    +15
    According to the article - an operation to seize Kyiv from the Belarusian border, an obviously unsuccessful attempt to seize the government and the capital - small forces were dispatched with the calculation of the non-participation of residents and the majority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the resistance. A clear failure of intelligence and the developers of the operation. Worst of all, the withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces from Kyiv and Kharkov showed that the RF Armed Forces can be defeated, which instilled confidence in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and resistance became stubborn with faith in a possible victory ... These are the failures of the RF Defense Ministry created additional conditions for a protracted and bloody Armed Forces ... NATO intelligence worked for the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the whole floor of the building was occupied by the CIA and others in Kyiv), so they, knowing our operational plans, developed counteractions, therefore even the initial landing operation on Gostomel hung ... So you need to understand with whom We are dealing with Ukraine, and not to imagine rosy pictures and build actions on them ...
    1. Awaz Offline Awaz
      Awaz (Walery) 1 August 2022 21: 24
      +2
      you say things so obvious that I begin to doubt the abilities of our generals from the General Staff.
      In general, I got the impression that Western intelligence agencies were drawn into the war of the Russian Federation for a long time and stubbornly praising the capabilities of the RF Armed Forces and the inferiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If you have read the analytics of various American "experts" and provocateurs in the Western press, then you should remember that they gave a maximum of two weeks to capture Ukraine by the Russian Federation. Our authorities fell for this and were really going to bring down the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all of Ukraine exactly by the day of the reunification of Crimea with the Russian Federation.
      By the way, when on the 4th day of the war I wrote on VO that everything, ours screwed up and now the war is turning into a protracted bloody massacre, they tried to lynch me .., they shamelessly minus. You already have a positive balance of votes. Either the pro-Kremlin trolls have run out of steam, or those who understand at least a little bit have begun to understand the situation little by little.
  3. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 July 2022 12: 36
    -5
    I'll give you my scarecrow.

    A) The US is escalating the situation around Taiwan. China is not going to get involved in dangerous graters. But the US will put pressure on China's pride and ambition, scaring it with recognition of Taiwan or direct armed support, stationing its troops on the island.
    B) But the whip is not everything. Gingerbread will be offered.
    Taiwan on a plate with a blue border.
    And now, in the near future, and not in years and decades.
    In exchange for full participation in the sanctions of the West against Russia.
    C) China agrees. And fulfills the terms of the deal.
    D) A wedge between China and Russia has been driven in forever.
    Realizing this, China is completely restructuring its policy towards Russia. Until the emergence of territorial claims.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 30 July 2022 13: 00
      +6
      (Expert) Replica. China has five thousand years of statehood and you can't spend it on chaff. It is the PRC that is trying to maintain good relations with the Russian Federation (they fought at home when V.V. Putin was re-elected president), as a calm shoulder with energy resources and other necessities in the event of a US blockade (from the experience of Japan in the forties). Therefore, petty attempts to sever cooperation between the Russian Federation and China will not work. The PRC is not a friend to the Russian Federation, but the necessary shoulder, yes ...
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 July 2022 13: 08
        -2
        What chaff, what small attempts?
        Taiwan is a very tasty gingerbread or a very unpleasant whip.
        Energy resources are not a problem. There are enough suppliers, including from Asia.
        Russia is not a very important partner. A convenient partner, but no more.
        And China is not Japan. Look at the map.
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 30 July 2022 13: 42
          0
          If you don’t understand, then forever .. Sorry ...
        2. vvnab Offline vvnab
          vvnab (Vitali) 1 August 2022 10: 04
          0
          A battle for world hegemony is unfolding between China and the United States. Russia is not a player here, and Taiwan is just an excuse.
      2. People Offline People
        People (Alexander) 31 July 2022 08: 33
        -4
        Shoulder., Solut. In what village did they teach you, according to what Primer. Are they really Primers, and today they are selling in your Selpo.
        1. bobba94 Offline bobba94
          bobba94 (Vladimir) 7 August 2022 15: 32
          0
          So the Reporter website has its own grammar nazy .....
    2. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 30 July 2022 14: 12
      +1
      I thought the "fortune teller" was smarter... but he turns out to be silly...
    3. Vladimir Khrebtov (Vladimir Khrebtov) 6 August 2022 20: 29
      +1
      China knows that without Russia it will be crushed. next and believe the Yankees do not respect themselves. There will be no second Brest peace, Russia will go to its set goal. It’s a pity that the operation was not thought out, they relied on Medvedchuk, and this rat, worse than some of ours, ate money without result. Shamanov warned that they would not greet us with flowers, and in his last speech he said that the joint venture would drag on for 10 years. History repeats itself again, they will destroy Bandera through the forests, and those, if possible, will harm the authorities.
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  4. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 July 2022 13: 20
    -6
    I remember March-April. Then dreamers dreamed that "China will not miss such an opportunity" to solve the problem of Taiwan. I wrote that these are illusions, for which I was given minuses.
    And now the US itself is escalating the situation. It seems that a fight for the island is about to begin. But there will be no war between the US and China. This is mine - a forecast, prediction and analysis of the current situation.
    On Friday, I was given the rank of lieutenant general of sofa troops and was given the order "For the defense of the Far East in the information wars of the 20-21 centuries." So take my information as the ultimate truth and do not dare to give me minuses. And then ...!
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 30 July 2022 14: 20
      -1
      With great pleasure I gave you a MINUS! In our Far East, such generals are brought up with slippers ...)))
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 July 2022 17: 01
        +2
        The arguments of the minus ones, as always, are very strong. I called and felt that I was 100% right.
  5. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 30 July 2022 14: 16
    +6
    Marzhetsky pleased me with this work. Baby. Test. It's just that the name is kind of irrelevant. It can be paraphrased as follows: if the Pope did not have manhood, he would have been a Roman mother. In fact, I agree that intelligence failure is evident. Get ready for something completely different! I had to readjust along the way.
  6. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
    soloist2424 (Oleg) 30 July 2022 14: 43
    +1
    Why it was necessary to change the plan of the operation will become known only after some time, perhaps not very soon. And now you can build any version, which is already there.
  7. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 30 July 2022 15: 16
    +9
    There have always been problems with staff officers and strategists in Russia. Climbing with small forces on Kyiv and then retreating having lost fighters and equipment, this is only our crazy generals can. After this "demonstration of good will," the Bandera people and their president cheered up and came to believe. Remember what Zelensky looked like when ours were near Kyiv. And he conducted negotiations, and then he did not need them. In general, there are a lot of oddities in conducting this CBO. And bad thoughts appear in relation to those who planned and organized it.
    1. KLV Offline KLV
      KLV (Konstantin) 30 July 2022 15: 56
      +5
      Vladimir, in Russia, with staff officers and strategists, "crazy" generals, the situation is no worse than in other countries, for example, in your Ukraine.

      And next time, if you please, write the word "Russia" with a capital letter, no matter how you would like it otherwise.
  8. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 30 July 2022 18: 24
    -2
    Lord, you yourself write that this is a conspiracy version:

    Some time ago, the well-known Russian economist Mikhail Khazin, citing his own sources in the intelligence of the DPR, reported that on board the Mriya super-heavy cargo plane, which stood at the site of the Antonov enterprise near Kyiv, there could be several nuclear explosive devices transferred by the British special services for carrying out strikes by the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the Russian cities of Belgorod or Rostov-on-Don.

    With slightly less success, it can be assumed that there were annihilators transmitted from Alpha Centauri ...
  9. Wowa127 Offline Wowa127
    Wowa127 (Vladimir Maksimenko) 30 July 2022 20: 54
    0
    We will never know the truth.
  10. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 July 2022 21: 36
    -2
    Well, why is it possible to list unrealistic versions in the media (1st and 2nd for sure, and 3rd is HPP), but not Peskov?
    It is also possible.

    Moreover, they have not promised anything unrealizable over these 20 years. And killers of iPhones, and super-aircraft, and 2000 armats, and Wi-Fi in transport, and signs only in Russian, and price growth, and the Moon in 2015, and "we won't attack" ...

    Great experience.
  11. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 30 July 2022 22: 07
    +2
    Everything is simple. The commander-in-chief needs war, not victory. The war will go on until 2024, the liberals will lose the elections in 2024 without a war. NATO is helping the liberals in this war, they have one goal, to preserve the gains of the 1990s. So the war, someone's mother dear.
  12. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 31 July 2022 02: 07
    +4
    I think this is the second strategic mistake of the Russian leadership. The first was in 2014, when at least it was necessary to take the whole Mariupol and even go to the adm. LDNR borders.
  13. vdr5 Offline vdr5
    vdr5 (Elephant) 31 July 2022 07: 24
    0
    Judging by the title, the current prospects for the NWO are sad. Well, in general, this corresponds to the facts, none of the goals announced in February has been achieved. Moreover, it is obvious that it will not be possible to achieve them in the future either. The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to stubbornly defend themselves, all major cities are being fortified day and night, the approaches to these cities are being brought into line with the Avdiivka defense experience.
  14. Victor 17 Offline Victor 17
    Victor 17 31 July 2022 10: 18
    +2
    All half-measures and indecision so far only the bitter taste of small conquests. very soon it will become more difficult to hide in the forests, which means more losses. The number one task is to force the West to refuse to supply weapons to its servants in Kyiv, but not a single step has been taken in this direction, even elementary threats have not been heard, the absence of consequences breeds impunity. They pretend that the Himars do not strike at the clusters of allied forces, but this is not how command posts and deployment sites are destroyed. When there will be a reaction from higher-ups, maybe losses are hushed up in vain, maybe just such information will make your asses fidget in comfortable chairs
  15. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 31 July 2022 11: 45
    -2
    There is also a fourth version, which for some reason is not considered. Forcing the Kyiv regime to make the necessary decisions in the face of the threat of military defeat. One can even trace the evolution of Zelensky's mental state at that time. Obviously, certain agreements have been reached. The troops were withdrawn from Kyiv, the government quarter is not being touched. Well, all subsequent actions of the Kyiv regime fit into the outline of denazification. There is a systematic disposal of radical elements, and Kyiv is actively supplying them to the front line (untrained, without the necessary weapons). In addition, a negative attitude towards nationalist ideas is cultivated in society. With each strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on civilians and civilian infrastructure, fewer and fewer people want to associate themselves with Ukrainians.
    It must be understood that the goals of the NMD are unattainable solely by military means. The capture of Kyiv does not solve the issue of denazification. This is a long process, the inhabitants of Ukraine must "ripen" themselves. Well, we will help them.
  16. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 31 July 2022 16: 50
    0
    Well, they did, it didn't work out that way. Maybe it's for the best. Ukraine will not have its own aircraft. Everyone will fall. So what to do!
  17. Viking1966 Offline Viking1966
    Viking1966 (Viking) 31 July 2022 21: 03
    -1
    Popular wisdom says: - Everyone fancies himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side. You can assume anything, especially without serious data about the situation and the real situation on the front line.
    Could Sumy and Chernihiv have been taken? No, they couldn't. They tried to navigate Chernigov, even sent specialists from the MTR, but nothing came of it. There are probably two reasons: 1. Chernigov is a city of military and military glory. It has always had a serious garrison (since Soviet times) and 2. Ideologically, Chernihiv is not a pro-Russian city!! And you shouldn't forget about it. In Chernihiv and the Chernihiv region, for a long time, the notorious Lyashko and his Radical Party won elections at various levels! So that Chernihiv would not have been taken even if there had been an order. And taking only Sumy and the Sumy region did not make much sense. It is very problematic to control it, Sidor Artemovich Kovpak clearly proved this. Yes, modern Ukrainian partisans would have less support, but what would be enough would be beyond their eyes.
    Everything else I will not analyze because it does not make sense. We will learn about the real tasks of all stages of the NWO ... no, not we, our distant descendants will learn in a few tens or maybe a hundred years.
    But one thing can be said with certainty - the West, in fact, manages to hang a devastated, plundered, corrupted, ideologically edited Ukraine on Russia's neck. So, what happens is exactly what our leadership is trying to avoid with all its might. But alas.
    1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 3 August 2022 15: 56
      0
      There was an order from the Washington regional committee to withdraw Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine, but there was no order to take Chernigov or Summa. The Kremlin fulfilled the first part of the order, it is waiting for the next order, only the LDNR conducts offensive operations.
  18. Alexander Ponamarev (Alexander Ponamarev) 1 August 2022 02: 50
    -1
    Why is Ukraine at hand? So that Russia does not relax anymore!
  19. Kapany3 Offline Kapany3
    Kapany3 1 August 2022 07: 20
    0
    Quote: skeptic
    And you don’t admit that now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have every chance, with a swift spurt, to capture the largest possible number of future Nord-Osts on the territory of Russia itself? This will allow not only to reclaim their lands back, but also to lower the reputation of the Russian Federation (at the international level) below the plinth. The more settlements are captured, the more ultimatums or deaths of the Russian population will be. And all this will be broadcast from every Western iron. If our General Staff of the Armed Forces is smart enough to block all routes with troops not involved in the NWO, this can be prevented. Today, "ZE" and the West, such an operation will allow to get out of the "zrada", into the "peremoga". I really want to believe that Shoigu will not let such a catastrophe come true.

    Well, straight STRATEG and predictor rolled into one. Direct road to GSH. MO is not finalizing - such a valuable frame of pants is sitting on the Internet ...
  20. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 1 August 2022 20: 39
    +1
    See how?! 30-40 thousand are counting, and 10 thousand is an error. This is one of the reasons - such a count of fighters, defenders of the fatherland. And the main reason for this war was called the term special operation and they fight with one hand behind their backs, like a musketeer. Less civilians die, and many soldiers die. And the end result is still the same. Example Mariupol took care of the infrastructure and lives of the civilian population, but in the end what. Thousands of our fighters laid down, tens of thousands of civilians died, and not a single whole house remained from the five hundred thousandth city. I think if you have already decided on military operations using aviation and missiles, then you need to carry out this in accordance with all military laws. What prevents breaking railway roads and junction stations, the Beskidsky tunnel, etc. through which 60-70% of all arms supplies to Ukraine pass? Now, if Ukraine is not cut off from the Black Sea, that is. if they don’t liberate Odessa, and Erdogan gets urine in his head and he launches NATO ships in the World Cup, then Russia will have a very hard time. For this, do not regret, you need to do it as soon as possible. The question of the existence of our world. God forbid they leave western Ukraine and finish this, then everything will return to normal. Only many times more, but a little further from the Russian border.
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 3 August 2022 13: 07
      0
      tens of thousands of civilians died

      where is this infa from?
  21. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 1 August 2022 20: 43
    +1
    Quote: skeptic
    And you don’t admit that now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have every chance, with a swift spurt, to capture the largest possible number of future Nord-Osts on the territory of Russia itself? This will allow not only to reclaim their lands back, but also to lower the reputation of the Russian Federation (at the international level) below the plinth. The more settlements are captured, the more ultimatums or deaths of the Russian population will be. And all this will be broadcast from every Western iron. If our General Staff of the Armed Forces is smart enough to block all routes with troops not involved in the NWO, this can be prevented. Today, "ZE" and the West, such an operation will allow to get out of the "zrada", into the "peremoga". I really want to believe that Shoigu will not let such a catastrophe come true.

    There will be no more wins. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have sailed for nothing, except for terrorist attacks.
    There will be victory in a much longer and harder way than it could be.
  22. Trifonov Evgeny Offline Trifonov Evgeny
    Trifonov Evgeny (Trifonov Evgeny) 3 August 2022 17: 58
    0
    It is quite obvious that there is no intelligence in Russia. Hence all the problems and stories a la "you have to bite into."
    And now I want to ask those who write here, including the author, have you ever read about the Maginot line? The Germans did not kill their people during the assault on long-term firing points, but led their troops through neighboring countries. After that, France was finished in 1 month.
    So now think about where it was necessary to strike the main blow, and what to call the one who made the decision to withdraw troops from the north of Ukraine.
    And yes, those who are now biting into fortified areas, contrary to common sense, do not feel sorry for them?
  23. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 4 August 2022 07: 02
    0
    Sergey is right. It was impossible to completely withdraw troops. The buffer had to be left. Yes, and the Russian people were destroyed there by the ukrofascists after our attack.
  24. b.volod1mir Offline b.volod1mir
    b.volod1mir (Vladimir B) 5 August 2022 15: 33
    0
    The general idea of ​​the General Staff was correct. They entered the northern and southern regions "like a knife through butter" with the hope of cutting off the left-bank Ukraine along the Dnieper and creating a threat of complete encirclement and deprivation of supplies of the eastern part of the country, incl. and Donbass. It didn’t work ... If everything is OK with “holding” the areas near Crimea, then there are problems with the areas adjacent to Belarus: difficult logistics to ensure that the group that entered there (mostly through Belarus), wooded and swampy terrain and, frankly, problems with the local population ... it also needs to be "fed" ... It should be noted that these are primordially "partisan" areas at all times: gangs of nationalists "chased" there until 1956. This does not mean at all that the local population supported them - it's just that the terrain allows ... forests and swamps. In short, it is possible to capture, but for a long-term retention, very large resources are required for any army, incl. and the number of personnel. But the fact that the territories adjacent to the Russian Federation left, from my point of view, is not entirely correct. Another thing is that it will not be difficult to occupy these territories again. This is just an amateur opinion. I’m not a strategist at all - I’m just from the southern regions of Belarus, my father was surrounded there during the Second World War and, having joined one of the RDGs (under the general command of the notorious Medvedev), fought in the rear until the regular troops arrived at the end of 1943. - from his stories I I have a general idea of ​​what is there and how it can be.
  25. Sergey Freeman Offline Sergey Freeman
    Sergey Freeman (Sergey Freeman) 5 August 2022 16: 05
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    Leaving the North of Ukraine is the rotten policy of the Kremlin. And there's no need to make excuses. There is no justification for this in the conditions of hostilities if you want to win and break the back of the enemy. I personally view this as the complete incompetence of politicians, including the medium-term political perspective of relations with the West and Ukraine as a subject. I can only wonder who came up with such nonsense about the withdrawal of troops, and I would like to know the name of the one who blew this nonsense into the ears of the commander in chief. At the same time, I do not think that Kyiv should have been taken during this period. Russia's "digestive system" is not ready for this. Just don't eat it. But the bridgehead to Kyiv, the creation of a powerful grouping on it, would also solve the issues of supplying equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and would save many, many lives of the inhabitants of Donbass, and would remove the risks of a counterattack in the south. So, apart from betrayal, and the incompetence of officials, I can’t name it in any way.