Three scenarios for the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine


One of the most controversial pages in the history of the special military operation in Ukraine is the airborne assault near Gostomel at the Antonov airfield and the subsequent breakthrough of the mechanized units of the RF Armed Forces from the territory of Belarus to rescue him from the territory of Belarus. If Kyiv were taken as a result, it would be one story, but in the end, Russian troops had to completely withdraw from northern Ukraine. Why did it happen?


Adventure or self-sacrifice?


The most important question that serious military experts and countless "couch analysts" are now asking is whether the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces was really going to take a huge metropolis with a large population and a 100-strong garrison with a swoop, reinforcements to which could be transferred from other parts of the country ? And all this with the help of 30-40 thousand Russian military personnel involved in the operation near Kyiv?

Yes, there are many rumors that Moscow was betting on a coup at the top, and President Vladimir Putin personally called on the Ukrainian military to turn their weapons against the regime of "drug addicts and criminals." Not the worst idea, I must admit, but if it was the basis of the special operation, it turned out to be a bat. The Anglo-American intelligence services promptly thwarted any attempt to carry out a military coup in Kyiv, bringing a pro-Russian protege to power. But why was Gostomel needed, where, in fact, our paratroopers were landed in the deep rear of the enemy for certain death?

Some time ago, the domestic media space was blown up by the hypothesis expressed by the famous economist Mikhail Khazin that at the airfield in Gostomel, on board the last super-heavy Ukrainian transport aircraft, there were 2 or 3 nuclear bombs sent there by the British special services to carry out provocations against Russia:

Then everything was on the ointment, but the British decided to add their piece to this. The fact is that they desperately need Turkey. They came up with a brilliant idea - to give Ukraine and Turkey a couple of products. The logic is that Ukraine will drop, but only if we respond to the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass, on one of the Russian cities. Further, these products were brought to Gostomel, most likely on board the same Mriya. It was impossible to take them out, so as not to merge the operation. According to the plan, one of the products was to be reloaded into a bomber, which would drop it on Russian territory. Simultaneously with the bomber, the Mriya was supposed to take off and go to Turkey.


According to Khazin, Rostov-on-Don with a million people was a priority target for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but Belgorod was more real and simple. A nuclear strike could have been delivered if Moscow decided to intervene in the event of a large-scale offensive by the Ukrainian army on the DPR and LPR. According to this hypothesis, the impetuous Russian landing near Gostomel pursued the goal of taking control of the aircraft with its contents on the territory of the Antonov state enterprise, and then quickly taking out the deadly cargo. The merciless shelling that the Armed Forces of Ukraine subjected the Mriya to, in some way, can serve as evidence that the traces of the crime were covered in this way.

Curious theory. True, it is not entirely clear why it was voiced not by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Konashenkov, but by the economist Khazin in a private conversation with the popular video blogger Puchkov. Where does this sensational information come from? Or was a well-known economist simply used to “leak” an insider? And what were these explosive devices, what type, whose production, and what means of delivery are needed for their real use?

There are a lot of questions. However, let's try to imagine that the hypothesis expressed by Mikhail Khazin is correct. What role could unidentified "nuclear bombs", let's call them, play in the Ukrainian conflict?

Nuclear "piano in the bushes"


Suppose that at the time the special operation began, Kyiv would indeed have had 2 nuclear explosive devices handed over by Western curators, or even its own manufacture, but Russian intelligence is not aware of this.

Scenario 1.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are the first to launch a large-scale offensive in the Donbass, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as expected, intervene. President Zelensky issues an ultimatum to the Kremlin demanding the withdrawal of Russian troops from all of Ukraine, including Crimea. He was politely refused, and with the approval of the Anglo-Saxons, the Armed Forces of Ukraine use nuclear weapons against Rostov-on-Don or Belgorod. The fact that the air defense system of our border cities at the beginning of the special operation was completely unprepared for this, alas, is a fact. (Are you ready now?).

The Russian public, of course, is shocked both by the monstrous human casualties, and by the unpreparedness of the RF Ministry of Defense to repel such a blow, and by the general underestimation of the enemy. Kyiv says it “may repeat” if its demands for the demilitarization of Donbass and Crimea are not met. And what to do? Good question.

Scenario 2.

The special operation is developing as it has been going on since February 24, 2022. DPR and LPR are recognized by Moscow as independent states. Russia has been declared a "rogue" country by the collective West. The offensive in the Donbass is developing gradually, all the combat-ready Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces have been deployed there, and the mobilized People's Militia of the LDNR is also fighting. Somewhere by the beginning of autumn 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffer a strategic defeat and withdraw from the territory of the DPR and LPR.

Kyiv issues an ultimatum to Moscow demanding to withdraw the occupying troops from Ukrainian soil. Having received an impolite answer, the Armed Forces of Ukraine use nuclear weapons against Donbass. These can be both aerial bombs and, for example, pre-laid nuclear land mines. Depending on where and how the Russian troops and their allies will be stationed at that time, they can simultaneously suffer heavy losses in the killed, wounded and affected by the consequences of radiation contamination. At the same time, the territory of the DPR and LPR, lost by Kyiv, will also be infected according to the principle “so don’t get you to anyone.” (Priazovie?).

Can we expect something like this from the Ukrainian Nazis and the British colonizers? The question is rhetorical.

Scenario 3.

Everything goes the way it goes. Russian troops, together with allies, liberate the DPR and LPR and begin further expansion into the territory of Ukraine. President Zelenskiy pleads with the collective West to save him from the "orc invasion", but he is preoccupied with his own economic problems. Winter is coming and all that. And then a nuclear explosion occurs near Kyiv or another Ukrainian city, in which, of course, Russia is blamed, who else? Do you remember the Malaysian Boeing shot down over the Donbass and the massacre in Bucha?

The war crime that our country is accused of is so heinous that the refined inhabitants of Europe themselves are begging their governments to jointly attack and punish the “barbaric Rush”. And so we are gradually approaching the prospect of a direct armed conflict with the entire NATO bloc, despite the fact that the nuclear "Pandora's box" is already open.

Some gloomy prospects, wherever you throw. Well, Ukraine cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. And she can. We will certainly talk about this in more detail.
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  1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 15: 41
    +4
    Or was a well-known economist simply used to “leak” an insider?

    Author!
    And "insider" - what is it ..? Such an anti-Russian "word bomb"?

    Or "lick the West" in front of a Russian-speaking audience, distorting the Russian language, is this such an "analytical fashion"?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 17 July 2022 16: 10
      -9
      What a tedious bore you are.
    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 18 July 2022 19: 10
      0
      (Krapilin) ​​To express in essence, the skills of linguistics without a semantic definition, on a different branch ... In essence, the article, - nuclear weapons, this is a bogey, and played for intimidation after applications, the code of the wooden buildings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima burned down at the moment from the temperatures, here are the concrete the buildings survived there ... Of course, nuclear weapons are terrible when the power is for a megaton, but the world is rolling into the abyss, like the biblical Sodom and Gomorrah, the world politics of the ruling pushes from its depravity into the world's public depravity ... As from prophecies, and Sodom and Gomorrah (cities punished by God for debauchery and sins and burned to the ground)..
      1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 18 July 2022 19: 38
        +3
        Dear Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov)!

        Disrespect for the Russian state language on a Russian-language information site using anglicism is the same nuclear attack, only on the ideological Russian civilizational self-sufficiency.
        Does it suit you?
        Me - no.
        1. Avarron Offline Avarron
          Avarron (Sergei) 19 July 2022 07: 30
          -1
          "Information", "website", "Anglicism", "civilization" are all also, as it were, not Russian words. The log should be removed from the eye, dear.
          Let's then replace it all with "knowledge", "page", "English speaking" and "urban population", something like that.
          1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
            Krapilin (Victor) 19 July 2022 14: 56
            +2
            Dear Avarron (Sergey)!

            And let's - for starters - let's not replace (mangle) Russian words with foreign ones.

            If siding, summit, girl, fake - and other sound hallucinations are closer and more understandable to you, then this is your right.
            But we are not talking about slang among narrow groups of "particularly advanced", but about the literary Russian language, which in Russia, as the state language, has not been canceled. Especially within the framework of an information site that has an exclusively Russian-speaking audience.

            And this is not somehow so, namely, with the disfigurement of one's native, Russian language, the disfigurement of one's worldview begins.
    3. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 19 July 2022 07: 26
      -1
      "Author", "bomb", "audience", "fashion". Are you sure these are all Russian words?
      1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 19 July 2022 15: 04
        +1
        Dear Avarron (Sergey)!

        And you, then, are sure that "insider" is a word of the Russian language that has a historical etymology dating back to Old Russian and Church Slavonic languages ​​or direct historical borrowing (or with prosodic changes) from another language (adverb) of length hundreds of years old and naturally becoming part of the Russian language, such as: a cauldron, bloomers or a prince?
        1. Avarron Offline Avarron
          Avarron (Sergei) 20 July 2022 10: 10
          -1
          I am sure that a considerable mass of words from foreign languages ​​quite organically merges into the array of the Russian language over time. And yes, the "insider" has already completely joined the Russian language and is understandable to most readers. I, too, am not very happy about the abuse of Anglicisms, but, of course, I will not beat myself with my heel in the chest and urge to write and communicate in Old Slavonic, unlike you.
          To begin with, I would recommend that you personally count the number of foreign words you use daily in everyday life, for example, "table, bed, doll, tomato, curb, sidewalk, window, car, highway," etc. And after this homework, you can quite deservedly and sincerely express their dissatisfaction with Anglicisms. And until then, it would be better, of course, to moderate your leavened rage.
          1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
            Krapilin (Victor) 21 July 2022 09: 02
            +1
            Dear Avarron (Sergey)!

            To begin with, before recommending something to someone, you should remember how "in Ukraine" at first the nurses became "hospitals", interest - "vidsotkami" and so on and so forth.
            As a result - a Muscovite for a Gilyak and the introduction of a ban on the Russian language at the "state" level
            "Inside", which in Russian means - inside - it's the same thing, only different, so far, scales. And the harlot is the same.

            So what about you with your Pepsi and Coca-Cola rage - how do you differ from the fighters with the Russian language, for example, "out of Ukraine"?
            Absolutely nothing.

            And, before hitting yourself with a heel in the chest, you should turn on your head and carefully read what they answer to you. The modern literary Russian language is based on the Old Russian and Church Slavonic languages, but Krapilin did not call for them to communicate here and now.

            What, read in Russian, becomes obscure for you?
            1. Avarron Offline Avarron
              Avarron (Sergei) 21 July 2022 22: 58
              -1
              To him that his forehead is on the stove, that he is on the stove with his forehead, to no avail to explain. Hand face.
  2. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 17 July 2022 15: 50
    +8
    Some time ago, the domestic media space was blown up by the hypothesis expressed by the famous economist Mikhail Khazin that at the airfield in Gostomel, on board the last super-heavy Ukrainian transport aircraft, there were 2 or 3 nuclear bombs sent there by the British special services to carry out provocations against Russia

    The most likely option: this is complete nonsense that has nothing to do with reality!
  3. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 15: 52
    +5
    Author and Khazin! You two or two imagine the technique of "storage" of a nuclear bomb ..? the method of transporting it on board to the drop point ..? reset method..? and so on and so forth related to the "nuclear device"?
    Shaw, kicked out of the cabin of any aircraft with a foot, after pulling out the pin?

    Author! Not tired of the "blizzard of revenge", such as:

    “The offensive in the Donbass is developing gradually, all the combat-ready Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces have been deployed there”

    when the President of the Russian Federation clarified that we had not started yet? And already all the forces are thrown and there are no more forces?
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  5. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 17 July 2022 16: 30
    +5
    Everything is "logical"!

    Did the Ukrainians buy A-bombs from the British, or did they (to the envy of Iran) ..gift them?
    Illegal Atomic weapons - without special security measures - were stored ... on board the Mriya aircraft?
    The Russian paratroopers, who were already at the Gostomel airfield, did not finish the job: ... did not capture the "products" - did they fail a responsible task? Ha!

    4 script
    Kyiv drops English (why is the piano in the bushes not Israeli?) atomic bombs on Berlin and Warsaw and blames the Russian Federation for this. ... Urya!
    1. amon Offline amon
      amon (Amon Amon) 18 July 2022 17: 52
      -1
      Everything is possible in this world!
  6. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 17 July 2022 16: 47
    -5
    This conflict will not do without the use of tactical nuclear weapons for the time being, and we must be the first to do this, because. this whole Eurosvora, with the United States at the head, is focused only on the complete destruction of Russia, as an independent and self-sufficient state with innumerable reserves of underground polymetals, oil and gas, forest resources, and, most importantly, water, so sooner or later, God forbid, they will be the first to start bombarding us with nuclear charges, blaming it all on comrade Yn - this is me, for example, and as the Yankees always do in their provocations, and now they will stop at nothing - after the last Ukrainian there will be the last Pole with the Balts, then there will be the last German with a Frenchman, etc. Just think, guys, if we walk along the border between Poland and Galicia with tactical nuclear charges, because the Poles are not our relatives, but the Bandera-Galicians all the more, and no one will take any nuclear actions against us will be, because all of them are well aware that this will cost them dearer, because before the start of hostilities, Putin warned and brought all our nuclear forces on full alert - Washington will never give up its world dominance, and, apparently, there will be a big war if we don’t ahead of EuroUSA.
  7. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 17 July 2022 17: 03
    0
    In a nuclear war, carriers are no less important than the actual nuclear charges. In what form were these charges delivered to Kyiv and how were they going to be dropped on Rostov (Belgorod), an aircraft like Tolstyak and Malysh once, with warheads for Point U or modified Bayraktars?
  8. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 17: 28
    +9
    at the airfield in Gostomel, on board the last super-heavy Ukrainian transport aircraft were 2 or 3 nuclear bombs

    Oh! And the Russian landing force and, probably, the special officers and other FSB officers who were present there for a whole month (before the "goodwill gesture") at the airfield next to Mriya were picking their noses and did not find this really powerful trump card that beats the rest of the deck? My slippers still can't stop laughing. Sergey, you made my evening. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
    Yes, and for the transportation of modern free-falling megaton-class ammunition, transport in the form of "Mriya" is absolutely redundant. You probably don’t know, but the head part for the Pioneer (and this is 300kt) had a conical shape with a base diameter of ~ 600mm and a height of ~ 1000mm (and something tells me that the airbond will not be much larger in size). For storage and transportation, a container slightly larger than a standard metal oil drum was used. To transport three such products, a maize plant is enough, which cannot even be tracked (unlike the giant Mriya, whose every sneeze is immediately tracked). In a word, before publishing the game from your article, you need to carefully ostogram.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 July 2022 07: 17
      -3
      Oh! And the Russian landing force and, probably, the special officers and other FSB officers who were present there for a whole month (before the "goodwill gesture") at the airfield next to Mriya were picking their noses and did not find this really powerful trump card that beats the rest of the deck? My slippers still can't stop laughing. Sergey, you made my evening. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

      First, the source of information about nuclear weapons is not me.
      Secondly, boriz has already answered some of the questions.
      Thirdly, I'm happy for your slippers.
      1. amon Offline amon
        amon (Amon Amon) 18 July 2022 17: 58
        -1
        How knowledgeable you are, you know everything about the special forces and about the landing, you just don’t know the code the special operation began, our troops got into the minefields near Belgorod, which even Belgorod homeless people knew about, well, you don’t know how they will meet you in Pig Reich, with flowers or shells, this is the height of intelligence work! Something like this!
  9. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 17: 29
    +3
    If Kyiv were taken as a result, it would be one story, but in the end, Russian troops had to completely withdraw from northern Ukraine.

    The RF Armed Forces left the north of Ukraine not because of this. It's just that the calculation was originally based on a different scenario, the Crimean one. Putin was guaranteed that the administrations would go over to the side of the Russian Federation. But the money allocated for the "Russian Spring" was "mastered" and cut down. What happened in the Crimea failed at the beginning of the NWO. I had to change the script on the go. This is not said aloud, but conclusions have been drawn and the perpetrators "will not be forgotten."
    As for nuclear weapons, this information is not from Khazin (he just partially voiced it). Information from Sergei Kolmogorov, the man who gave his whole life to the GRU.
    The attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was planned for March 8. In Mriya (in Gostomel) there were 2 nuclear warheads for Ukraine and 7 for Turkey. From WB. These warheads were taken out.
    Putin was a little ahead of the curve.
    Ukraine planned to use not only 2 nuclear warheads (of course, with the assistance of WB specialists), but also "dirty" warheads. Fortunately, there is enough nuclear waste and enough carriers. The same Tu 141 Strizh (Soviet UAV). Range - 1000 km. He put 50 kilograms of explosives, overlaid them with waste and launched them at least to Moscow, at least he rushed high above the black earth. Bad business is easy. Not to mention Points and Hurricanes (for close use).
    Who doubts, remember how on March 10 the hand @ pye ukrospecialists launched such a Swift with a 120 kg bomb. But he flew in the opposite direction and regularly flew to Zagreb (the capital of Croatia).
    Kolmogorov's speeches on this topic can be found in the "Street of Truth" programs.
    By the way, about 1,5 months ago I came across a message that another terrorist was caught in Kherson. Unlike others, several kilograms of nuclear waste were found in his cache. It is impossible to get them otherwise than through government agencies.
    So we are all very lucky. They could also take off the nuclear warhead and chernozems with waste for @ army. There would be problems with people and food. And how to respond...
    1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
      Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 18: 01
      +4
      Dear boriz (boriz)! You write:

      In Mriya (in Gostomel) there were 2 nuclear warheads for Ukraine and 7 for Turkey. From WB.

      That is, there are 9 nuclear weapons on board the Mriya, and Nazi artillery is working in the hangar and the aircraft ... Then tell me, if it’s difficult, if a shell hits a nuclear warhead, what happened?

      And the second ...
      Turkey has already paid for its 7 pieces of nuclear warheads or payment was planned on the spot
      upon the delivery of nuclear warheads from the WB to Turkey?
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 18: 31
        +3
        Quote: Krapilin
        Then tell me, if it won't be difficult, if a projectile hits a nuclear warhead - what happened?

        To be fair, nothing would have happened. Is that a slight radioactive contamination of a very small area. Moreover, "a very small area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe area" is not sarcasm.
        1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
          Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 18: 59
          0
          Thank you, dear k7k8 (vic)! I heard you - a little pollution...

          But in this case, why was there a landing, and not a Caliber missile at the hangar and Mriya?
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 19: 28
            -1
            1. Pollution is just small - lumps from the charge. A nuclear explosion in the event of destruction of the ammunition does not occur.
            2. Landing because the territory is considered marked only if it has been trampled by a soldier's boot. Button warfare is a myth. More than tales of vimanas.
            1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
              Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 19: 37
              +1
              Dear respected k7k8 (vic)!

              About the fact that a nuclear explosion does not occur from the destruction of a nuclear weapon - you have already said ... I take it "for word", because I am not an expert in this field.

              But I didn’t understand anything about the “marked territory” (??) by our paratroopers ...
              1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 19: 44
                -3
                Quote: Krapilin
                about the "marked territory" (??) by our paratroopers - I did not understand anything ...

                You are not a military man. You can not understand.
                1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                  Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 19: 51
                  +4
                  Dear respected k7k8 (vic)!

                  And why is it so difficult to explain to "non-military" people in human language, what should be understood by your term "marking the territory by military people", especially at the cost of one's own life?

                  I served my urgent service and in the service we followed orders, and did not "mark in corners or territories" ...

                  I don't understand you at all...
                  1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                    k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 20: 03
                    -1
                    Yes, damn it, is it really so difficult to understand that a territory can only be considered conquered when a soldier's boot passes through it. Or have you forgotten the imperishable message from the unforgettable Vladimir Volfovich that a Russian soldier will wash his feet in the Indian Ocean.
                    1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                      Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 20: 41
                      +4
                      Dear k7k8 (vic)!

                      We were taught differently - the territory is then considered conquered when our boots, together with us, "remained on it, and did not go through it to the exit" ...
                      Don't judge...
          2. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 19: 38
            -1
            The landing was then to take out the nuclear warhead and documents. They were taken out.
            This is a very serious compromise.
            The newly appointed US Ambassador first of all went to Gostomel, experts took samples in Mriya's building. After that, the cabin was cut off from the hull, and the hull was destroyed.
            As a result, Biden's attitude towards Johnson became very bad. The United States is sensitive to attempts at unauthorized proliferation of nuclear weapons. The WB can only spoil, and the United States will have to disentangle, if anything.
            1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
              Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 20: 01
              +1
              Dear boriz (boriz)!

              With all due respect - but so far these are only your words ...
              Why should one believe in them without confirming the facts you have stated from official sources?

              By the way, why were all these "nuclear goodies" in bulk on board the aircraft after it landed and towed to the hangar, and were not taken to a safekeeping place?
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 22: 16
                -2
                These are not actually my words. Sergei Kolmogorov. I consider it possible to believe his words, he treats them very carefully. At first he did not talk about the nuclear warhead. Only about the cargo, about which nothing is known, but very important. Then, apparently, they decided to unofficially merge this information, and began to speak more specifically.
                He is from the GRU special forces. For a long time he was an adviser to the leadership of the LPR. Here Luhansk (unlike Donetsk) was not shelled. Only now it flew in several times, apparently from the Chimeras.
                His predictions are justified, he is very informed.
                Believe him or not - your business.
                And they didn’t ship it to the storage, so this is understandable: it’s a dumb thing, it’s better to have the opportunity to quickly escape (and still didn’t have time). And this is also a question of the trust of the Britons in the ukram. Maybe their plane was guarded by Britons (as Zelensky is now personally).
                As for official information and faith, the question is: do you believe that Israel does not have nuclear weapons? Or is there? There is no official information, but everyone even knows who helped them do nuclear weapons, what they did on a par with South Africa. South Africa then refused and liquidated its nuclear weapons. They know what they experienced on the northern islands of Norway. And so on.
                1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                  Krapilin (Victor) 18 July 2022 11: 15
                  +1
                  Dear boriz (boriz)!
                  You write

                  And they didn’t ship it to the storage, so it’s understandable: it’s a dumb thing, it’s better to be able to quickly escape (and still didn’t have time).

                  It doesn’t add up ... To quickly escape on the Mriya is some kind of unreality for such a huge aircraft from the point of view of speed.

                  Perhaps there was something on board, or perhaps there was nothing, and our misinformation was leaked. Hence the departure from Gostomel.

                  It is clear that without having objective and accurate information, we are engaged in a variant genre of assumptions.
                  Undoubtedly, in this story, in my opinion, one thing is the highest professionalism and courage of our paratroopers.

                  These guys are the REAL ELITE of our society.
            2. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
              Vox Populi (vox populi) 18 July 2022 19: 52
              +1
              The landing was then to take out the nuclear warhead and documents. They were taken out.
              This is a very serious compromise.
              The newly appointed US Ambassador first of all went to Gostomel, experts took samples in Mriya's building. After that, the cabin was cut off from the hull, and the hull was destroyed.

              Lord, this is not even disinformation, but low-grade conspiracy propaganda. For whom do you take the readers of the site? On the other hand, maybe really, why do we need to know the truth?!
              I almost forgot to ask: did the ambassador himself take samples "in the Mriya corps", and then cut off and destroy the corps? lol
      2. Nike Offline Nike
        Nike (Nikolai) 17 July 2022 18: 51
        0
        Could the gunners know what they were shooting at?
        1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
          Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 19: 07
          +2
          Dear Nike (Nikolay)!

          Probably - if we take a working hypothesis about the presence of 9 nuclear warheads on board the Mriya - the gunners were not told what they were shooting at. slight pollution of the area.

          But then something else is interesting, namely: if our paratroopers took out these 9 nuclear warheads, then they are, without any doubt, marked or, in extreme cases, it is not difficult for specialists to determine the country of origin. Then why are these - in every sense 9 trump cards - not presented to the world community through our diplomacy within the framework of the still existing international courtesies?
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 19: 35
            -1
            Quote: Krapilin
            Then why are these - in every sense 9 trump cards - not presented to the world community through our diplomacy within the framework of the still existing international courtesies?

            Precisely because these trump cards do not exist. It's one thing to get on your nerves with unverified information about sold (as reported here) HIMARS. And it is quite another thing to present the world with evidence on two points:
            - accuse the "civilized" West of violating the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
            - present to the world reinforced concrete evidence of the absolute legality of the SVO.
            1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
              Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 19: 44
              0
              Dear k7k8 (vic)!

              I think you are right - in fact there were no nuclear warheads on board the Mriya.
            2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 July 2022 07: 11
              +1
              - accuse the "civilized" West of violating the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
              - present to the world reinforced concrete evidence of the absolute legality of the SVO.

              You look first at our "elites". In principle, they do not want to defeat the West.
          2. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 20: 01
            +1
            Then why are these - in every sense 9 trump cards - not presented to the world community through our diplomacy within the framework of the still existing international courtesies?

            Hard to say. In international affairs such cards are often reserved for the future.
            Everyone knows that Israel has nuclear weapons. But formally it is not. Although they themselves like to let the chutzps go, like, we don’t have nuclear weapons, but if necessary, we will use it immediately. This is Golda Meir joking. And nothing, still rolls.
            They got rid of Johnson anyway. Perhaps they made it a condition not to voice their jamb yet, but demanded that Johnson be removed, and possibly change the policy. Johnson was removed, we will look at politics.
            1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
              Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 20: 52
              +1
              Dear boriz (boriz)!

              Well - maybe so ... Here you are right - the political behind the scenes is very dark.
              Although I adhere to my point of view that there were no nuclear warheads on board the Mriya.
              And if, nevertheless, there were and the guys took them, then once again a low bow to the ground to our paratroopers.
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 20: 04
          +1
          Could the gunners know what they were shooting at?

          For all the time of the SVO, neither artillerymen, nor pilots, nor rocket launchers (moreover, from both sides) have never hit gas and oil pipes and pumping units.
          Everyone shoots only where they say.
      3. Nike Offline Nike
        Nike (Nikolai) 17 July 2022 18: 53
        -1
        How many bombs did the Americans lose, how many exploded?
        1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
          Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 19: 13
          0
          Dear Nike (Nikolay)!

          Losing is one thing.

          And hitting a "vigorous bomb" with a hammer or a shell is probably something else ...
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 19: 39
            0
            I repeat. There is no big difference between these scenarios. Of course, God saves the safe, but there are so many levels of protection that Fort Knox is resting.
            1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
              Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 20: 06
              0
              Dear k7k8 (vic)!

              I don’t argue at all - I just don’t understand these tricky things ... Yes, of course, the degree of protection - without any doubt. But somehow she is put on a combat platoon?
              1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 20: 51
                0
                She is not put on a combat platoon. She consistently removes the steps (not degrees) of protection. The removal of the latter is considered readiness for combat use.
                1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                  Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 21: 07
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                  Dear k7k8 (vic)!

                  Yes, I’m talking purely like a household amateur - if, like, for a long time to beat a pig in different places with a hammer, then somehow all these stages of protection will come off, but not for a long time, but immediately from the projectile ... Well, I understand, thanks - more don't ask...
          2. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 19: 55
            0
            And hitting a "vigorous bomb" with a hammer or a shell is probably something else ...

            The Americans dropped them from airplanes. By chance. True by accident. On land, sea, ice. It's good that they are not raised.
            There are fuses, in one case 5 out of 6 did not work ...
            1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
              Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 20: 08
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              Dear boriz (boriz)!

              Yes, I don’t dispute it, about fuses ... But somehow, with a shell bomb, it’s a little annoying ... Especially with a nuclear one ...
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 20: 47
                +1
                There, an ordinary explosive charge will explode, blowing a sphere of plutonium to pieces, but the chain reaction will not begin. All radioactive residues will be collected by specially trained people. There were precedents, they were collected under water.
                1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                  Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 21: 10
                  0
                  Dear boriz (boriz)!

                  Thank you - I have no more questions in this part.
    2. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
      Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 18: 25
      +3
      Dear boriz (boriz)!

      You write:

      Ukraine planned to use not only 2 nuclear warheads (of course, with the assistance of WB specialists), but also "dirty" warheads. Fortunately, there is enough nuclear waste and enough carriers.

      It seems that Ukraine could not plan anything, since it did not have its own nuclear warheads. Then - in your logic - the nuclear warheads were planned to be used by the Americans with the help of British specialists. Which automatically meant the beginning of the last war on planet Earth. But the Americans want to achieve the collapse of Russia from within by a protracted war on the outside, not by suicide.

      In addition, there are nuclear power plants in Ukraine and, probably, some "dirty waste". What prevented them 8 years ago from "making a dirty bomb"?
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 19: 52
        0
        Of course, British specialists would work, but formally it would look like the use of nuclear weapons by Ukraine in the Russian Federation. If the Russian Federation had responded in a mirror manner, the World Bank and the United States would have given a standing ovation, but very strongly condemned the actions of both countries.
        Everything was started (back in 1992) for the mutual destruction of Russians and Ukrainians.
        What, in fact, is happening, only without nuclear weapons.

        What prevented them 8 years ago from "making a dirty bomb"?

        First, there is IAEA control. Well, an acute stage of the conflict was needed. Poroshenko, for all the meanness of his nature, Zelensky is smarter and more independent (being a billionaire). He was pushed to the edge in every possible way, but he did not give up his critical positions:
        1. Sale of land,
        2. Language law,
        3. The acute stage of the conflict with the Russian Federation.
        Even before the elections, he arranged only a parody of the war, a Kerch show of five pelvises. He needed martial law to cancel the elections or take them under tight control. He did not receive general martial law, he lost the elections.
        And if someone did not know or forgot, in March 2022. parliamentary elections were planned in Ukraine, which Zelensky lost by one wicket with a probability of 100500%. And where are they now?
    3. Vlad Petrov Offline Vlad Petrov
      Vlad Petrov (Vladimir) 17 July 2022 19: 01
      -1
      Boriska English and Zelchik, two clowns, decided to bomb Russia with atomic bombs. very original. But where did they drag Turkey in and why there were suddenly nine atomic bombs And why Recep Tayyip Erdogan suddenly got in touch with these jesters, and even in such a serious matter, he has other opportunities. And the Jesters chose the airplane, not the weak Mriya, it looks like them.
      1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 20: 14
        +1
        Dear boriz (boriz)!
        You write

        Of course, British specialists would work, but formally it would look like the use of nuclear weapons by Ukraine in the Russian Federation. If the Russian Federation had responded in a mirror manner, the World Bank and the United States would have given a standing ovation, but very strongly condemned the actions of both countries.

        Doesn't add up...
        In Ukraine - officially, and practically - there is no nuclear weapon of its own. And a mirror response from the Russian Federation would not be in Ukraine, but, as you say, applauding the World Bank and the United States.
        They are, without a doubt, satanic non-humans - but not suicidal ...
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 20: 59
          0
          Israel also does not have nuclear weapons.
          Again, it is not known how Putin would have reacted. I wrote about how the WB and the US planned. And now they are not very planning with planning ...
          And Zelensky, in front of the NWO, spoke too much to the public about nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Biden banned him from going to Munich for a security meeting. But the clown went and drove a dangerous blizzard there. Enough to refer to it.
          And they have enough waste ...
          1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
            Krapilin (Victor) 17 July 2022 21: 29
            +1
            Dear boriz (boriz)!

            Yes, the chatter from Zelensky about how if they give him a bomb (or if he had one), then he will immediately hit us - he was.
            But such chatter could also be Odessa noise ...
            To annoy and troll us...
            Although, you are right, with such statements - what kind of jokes are there!

            But still, although staff members and Satanists, they are not complete fools to give a monkey a "nuclear grenade", stand nearby and wait for what it will do. Still, the planet for everyone is one communal apartment. We will never agree with the Satanists on the "let's live together" scheme, but you can keep them in good shape, like, don't spoil it.
            But you can't negotiate with drug addicts.
            Because Ukrainianism is a "worldview breakdown" with unpredictable consequences for others. And - for everyone.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 22: 19
              0
              But still, although staff members and Satanists, they are not complete fools to give a monkey a "nuclear grenade"

              So it was not the staffers who gave it. Johnson.
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 20: 18
        -1
        And sho Recep Tayyip Erdogan suddenly got in touch with these jesters, and even in such a serious matter, he has other opportunities.

        Why "suddenly"? He has long been under the influence of the WB. He and Aliyev are closely involved in the Kazakh mess. What about the Karabakh conflict?
        The logic is the same. Johnson was given the task of knocking out for the WB the go-ahead for his currency area in the world to come. This will not work without Putin's consent. Putin does not want to talk to him. WB (Johnson) in every possible way force Putin to give the go-ahead. In Karabakh, Kazakhstan, taking control of Zelensky during his visit to London. They just called the whole president of the independent to the carpet in MI6 and presented something, apparently offshore accounts.
        But Erdogan has no special opportunities. He will not win the next election, he will not even become the second. Look at the exchange rate of the lira. In Aug. 2014 the lira was worth 47 US cents, now - 5,7 cents and falls further.
    4. amon Offline amon
      amon (Amon Amon) 18 July 2022 18: 01
      0
      Good intelligence! This came back to haunt the 90s, when they handed over all the years of accumulated Soviet agents!
    5. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
      Vox Populi (vox populi) 18 July 2022 19: 45
      -2
      The attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was planned for March 8. In Mriya (in Gostomel) there were 2 nuclear warheads for Ukraine and 7 for Turkey. From WB. These warheads were taken out.
      Putin was a little ahead of the curve.
      Ukraine planned to use not only 2 nuclear warheads (of course, with the assistance of WB specialists), but also "dirty" warheads. Fortunately, there is enough nuclear waste and enough carriers. The same Tu 141 Strizh (Soviet UAV). Range - 1000 km. He put 50 kilograms of explosives, overlaid them with waste and launched them at least to Moscow, at least he rushed high above the black earth. Bad business is easy. Not to mention Points and Hurricanes (for close use).

      This epic message could not be commented on, but it can only be noted that in the information war everything is in use, incl. such a game.
      Just one question: why didn't "they" use either "clean" or "dirty" bombs in a few months?
  10. Sergey Nikolaevich_2 (Sergey Nikolaevich) 17 July 2022 18: 34
    0
    Some naive nonsense.
  11. Sasha Anatolyevich (Sasha Anatolyevich) 17 July 2022 19: 12
    +3
    That this is nonsense is understandable. The question is - why (why) did the author make this stuffing?
    It seems that I already noticed the author behind suspicious comments.
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  12. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 19: 56
    0
    The authorities of the Zaporozhye region announced the ultimatum of the West to Zelensky
    https://news.mail.ru/incident/52227103/?frommail=1
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    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 17 July 2022 20: 53
      -1
      In this case, Marzhetsky simply voiced (partially) information from Sergei Kolmogorov, whom I listen to constantly and trust his opinion.
      Personally, I rarely agree with Marzhetsky's posts, but I always treat them objectively. If true, then true.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 July 2022 07: 05
      -1
      In fact, almost all even the most fantastic predictions have come true.
      Are you ready to answer for your words? Give 3 specific examples of a fake from me or publicly apologize.
  14. w.bersr1954 Offline w.bersr1954
    w.bersr1954 (Vasiliy) 17 July 2022 22: 21
    +2
    There are already three scenarios for a nuclear strike ... the main thing in Ukraine, from Ukraine to Russia and from Russia to nowhere, hello to mathematicians ... In a cool youth, when mahalovka with a group of opponents, it is necessary first of all to declassify their leader and the most greyhound after the leader, and zilch everyone lies upside down and asks for mercy ... honestly from practice ... We are ready to smack on the leader, but it’s not evening yet, but on the greyhound, it should have been yesterday (Britons, Britons, why aren’t you shaved .. .) Believe me, the decision-making centers are there, there is an ideological enemy, there are destroyers of the peaceful life of human civilization, there are colonialists, there is all the scum, there are so many of them. That we don’t have enough mosquitoes from Siberia for all of them ... A nuclear, specific strike in Albion, proactive, instantaneous in terms of nuclear potential and bases, in five minutes another and waves, waves, oh, a tsunami hammer. Commenting on the state of obscurantist Joe, after the news of the disappearance of banks, IOUs, Morse code, alphabet books, and any other offal, finally, in general, the islands of pirates is already an occupation for the council, in order to somehow alleviate the unbearable suffering of a terry criminal of our time .. .Until this advanced civilization catches chronic diarrhea, we guys won’t see a quiet life at all, we won’t be able to jump out of today’s mess ... In the meantime, we see the Turkish fleet in Odessa, cheers brought grain, and it rushed on ... Well, who’s there we are an unbending patriot ... It seems that it turns out like news from the science fiction department, but it seems that sneezing is not a sin ... And what is not true for us here and why should we (everything is leading to this) wallow at the feet of the sworn enemy or to ask for mercy. What is not a day, what is not a dawn, the news is one more beautiful than the other ... Are we a country or what? It’s a shame for the state. interesting... Are you with us, for us or you for the money... confess on your pages... Thank you.
  15. Civil pensioner Offline Civil pensioner
    Civil pensioner 17 July 2022 23: 11
    -1
    The idea of ​​using a civilian aircraft to deliver nuclear weapons to the capital of any country is very good! It is surprising if there are no such plans and specially made ammunition for this. Forced landing due to “passenger illness, or “aircraft malfunction”, or for any other reason, and now a nuclear device, almost in the center of an enemy metropolis. What is unreal here. You don’t need a unique aircraft for this, you need a typical airliner, of which there are hundreds in the sky at that moment.
  16. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 July 2022 23: 20
    0
    How much time has passed? According to the well-known rule, now you can invent anything.

    Suitcases with compromising evidence (like Korzhakov), or diamond orders (The Tale of Khoja Nasreddin) can now be stacked in batches. As well as non-existent nuclei-loaves.

    But in real life, Simonyan was the first to blather - they say, more realistically, Putin, if he hits something ....
  17. Civil pensioner Offline Civil pensioner
    Civil pensioner 17 July 2022 23: 34
    +1
    The year is 1941, the Germans are advancing so rapidly that they will soon get a huge hydroelectric power station, serviceable and even working. And as always, there is no explosives and no time to take her out of her standing. One of the station engineers helped to solve the problem. The lubrication lines for the bearings of the hydraulic units were closed and the protection devices against running without oil were turned off. Explosives were not needed, everything was done by friction and the monstrous inertia of the rotating parts. After a while, the hydroelectric units went out of order so that the commission that arrived from Berlin recognized the repair as impossible. I had to bring new hydraulic units from Germany.
    Ukrainian Nazis are not savages with spears and sticks. There are excellent specialists there, even from the Soviet scientific and technical school. And they have time to turn Ukraine's nuclear power plants into controlled Chernobyls. It is unlikely that it will be possible to cause a nuclear explosion of a reactor, but qualified personnel will be able to start Chernobyl-type accidents. And there are a lot of these nuclear power plants! This is a much more realistic scenario for the use of "improvised nuclear weapons" in the conflict in Ukraine. Most likely, all this is already being prepared, or maybe it has been prepared for a long time, since the 90s.
    What will the Ukrainians themselves do in this case? They will probably put on clean embroidered shirts and sing "Charvona Kalina". The idea that seizes the masses becomes a terrible force.
  18. Hot Dyusha Offline Hot Dyusha
    Hot Dyusha (Dyusha) 18 July 2022 00: 04
    +2
    This author once again confirmed his reputation as a visionary. Just thinking over a glass of tea without a snack. Neut
    1. cooper Offline cooper
      cooper (Alexander) 18 July 2022 00: 47
      -2
      Dusha, drink duchesse and don't shine.
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  19. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 18 July 2022 00: 11
    -1
    By the way, a Ukrainian military plane crashed in Greece a few days ago, the explosion was so loud that there are rumors that it could carry plutonium. dirty nuclear bomb
  20. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 18 July 2022 00: 46
    +3
    The Ukraine project simply must be closed. Once and for all, finally and irrevocably.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 18 July 2022 10: 37
      +2
      I don’t even want to comment on the nonsense about a nuclear bomb on an airplane. I have always said and I say: "incorrect estimation of the initial parameters" makes it impossible to achieve the final result. Throw on Gostomel was really due to the expectation of a coup d'état in Kyiv and the paratroopers should have helped take the main institutions under guard. The airfield was needed for the rapid delivery of everything necessary, as well as possibly new faces in the planned government of Ukraine, as well as for the removal of captured documents and those arrested. But the plot was uncovered and everything went awry. Crazy ideas about "nuclear bombs" come from propaganda coverage of the reasons for the special operation - allegedly preparing nuclear and biological weapons by Ukrainians for a war with Russia. Now they are trying to pull an owl on the globe in this matter. But only.
      1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
        Vox Populi (vox populi) 18 July 2022 20: 02
        0
        good good good I agree! In my comments I wrote about the same ...
  21. Understanding Offline Understanding
    Understanding (Alexander) 18 July 2022 13: 36
    -1
    Quote: Krapilin
    method of "storage" of a nuclear bomb ..? the method of transporting it on board to the drop point ..? reset method..?

    And how difficult is it all in relation to special artillery shells? Can a projectile be "kicked out of an airplane"?
    1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
      Krapilin (Victor) 18 July 2022 17: 11
      +1
      Dear Understander (Alexander)!

      For the projectile to be "effective" - ​​it is fired from a gun or cannon. I didn’t understand what you meant in conjunction: “leg-projectile”?
      1. Understanding Offline Understanding
        Understanding (Alexander) 20 July 2022 07: 24
        0
        I'm talking about the fact that it is impossible to attach a stabilizer to the projectile and then the leg-projectile. Or maybe another ammunition is possible, easy enough to handle?
  22. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 18 July 2022 15: 14
    +1
    It may well be ... As soon as Zelya grunted in Munich about the desire to have a nuclear bomb, NWO immediately began .. soldier
  23. consultant Offline consultant
    consultant (Vladimir) 18 July 2022 15: 31
    +3
    Quote: Krapilin
    Author! Not tired of the "blizzard of revenge" ...?

    He cannot do otherwise, and he pursues clearly completely different goals - the more mediocre the “technically” article, the greater the “brain explosion” and the outburst of emotions, i.e. more comments, and all the authors and the media hunt for them. The author would write children's fiction, but he appointed himself an analyst.
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  24. eskkimo Offline eskkimo
    eskkimo (eskkimo) 19 July 2022 07: 17
    0
    In all three scenarios, Kiev is the first to use the bomb, which in my opinion is unlikely. If Russia is not the first to use the bomb, then the bombing of a UK or US territory should be the response of Russia, because the first user will have been UK and the US; not Kiev...
  25. staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 21 July 2022 06: 02
    -1
    Since Ukraine is led by the West, here is the fourth scenario. Ukraine hits the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, destroys one of the blocks, Chernobyl begins, we flood Europe with megaton notes of protest, we throw the surviving Ukrainians and Europeans to eliminate radiation at nuclear power plants. Germans, French, Ukrainians, Romanians and others, with sandbags on their shoulders, are climbing into the rubble of the station in a hundred thousand formations.