How Russia will denazify and demilitarize Ukraine


Today, February 24, 2022, President Vladimir Putin made his third Great Deed, announcing the start of a military operation to stop the genocide of the inhabitants of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify the rest of Ukraine. What all of Russia and most of the Nezalezhnaya itself, which found itself under the rule of a puppet pro-Western regime, standing on the bayonets of Ukrainian neo-Nazis, has been waiting for for 8 years, has finally happened. What will happen next?


As far as can be understood from open sources, the offensive of the Russian troops in response to the aggression of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the recognized DPR and LPR began along a wide front - from Kharkov to Odessa. The complete superiority of the RF Armed Forces over the Armed Forces of Ukraine in offensive weapons has already played its role: ground, sea and air-based cruise missiles, artillery and MLRS destroyed key Ukrainian military infrastructure facilities, including airfields with tactical aviation, air defense systems, military units, control points, a communication system, warehouses with ammunition, fuel and fuels and lubricants, etc. It is reported about the landing of amphibious assault forces in the area of ​​Mariupol and Odessa. Russian tanks and other armored vehicles were seen at the entrance to Kharkov. We can!

Taken together, all this means that Ukraine will inevitably fail. The Kremlin did not limit itself to a local military operation within the administrative borders of Donbass, launching an offensive across the territory of the entire historical New Russia. Like us celebrated earlier, without access to the Black and Azov Seas, without industrial enterprises and natural resources of the South-East, the rest of Ukraine is economically doomed. The Armed Forces of Ukraine can create problems for the Russian military in the cities, but the strategic defeat of Kiev is already inevitable.

Separately, I would like to appeal to the Ukrainian military to heed the call of our president not to take part in the senseless massacre, defending the interests of the Russophobic neo-Nazi regime in Kiev, but to lay down their arms and go home to their families:

All servicemen of the Ukrainian army who comply with this requirement will be able to freely leave the combat zone and return to their families.

The question is how far the Kremlin is willing to go by crossing this psychologically important Rubicon. Judging by the statement of Vladimir Putin, this time Moscow is ready to go all the way during the military operation:

Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to abuse, genocide by the Kiev regime for eight years, and for this we will strive to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to justice those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including and citizens of the Russian Federation.


Perhaps already now we can start talking about what will happen after the end of this unique military operation of the Russian Defense Ministry in the context of the speech of the Russian president.

Demilitarization of Ukraine


Obviously, this implies the exclusion of any foreign military infrastructure from the territory of Ukraine, namely the American, British or NATO bloc as a whole. But how can this be achieved if the intention to join the North Atlantic Alliance is explicitly stated in the Constitution of Ukraine, and Russia is declared an "aggressor" country?

Logic dictates that the Russian military operation, if it has already begun, should end in Kiev with its complete and unconditional surrender. After that, Ukraine will no longer be able to remain the same, since serious constitutional reform will be required.

At first, it must be transformed from a unitary state into a "soft" federation of the Novorossiysk, Little Russian and Western Ukrainian districts, and even into a confederation. The Russian language should receive the status of the state language on a par with Ukrainian, and in the western regions Polish, Romanian and Hungarian - the status of regional languages.

Secondly, President Putin in his statement stressed that Russia does not pursue any goals of occupation or annexation of the territory of Ukraine. However, the Constitution of Ukraine should spell out the desire to join the Union State of Russia and Belarus by signing the relevant agreements, as well as join the CSTO and the EAEU.

Thirdly, we all need guarantees that a recurrence of the Maidan will be excluded, and in 20-30 years in Ukraine another rewriting of history in an anti-Russian vein, glorification of neo-Nazi "heroes" and so on will not begin. To do this, a network of military bases, either Russian or joint Russian-Belarusian, along the lines of the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, should be located on the territory of the Ukrainian Federation.

Denazification of Ukraine


This is an even more serious problem that we will have to face. 30 years of independence and 8 years of active Russophobic propaganda have thoroughly brainwashed many Ukrainians. By itself, this problem with a disloyal population, alas, will not resolve. To solve it, it is worth recalling the experience of denazification, which post-war Germany went through.

Thus, the victorious countries began with demonstration trials of Nazi war criminals, who were divided into several categories depending on the degree of their guilt. The most important component of the denazification process was the reform of the system of education and upbringing. Teachers who were seen as sympathetic to the ideas of Nazism were fired, educational programs were drawn up taking into account the propaganda of intolerance towards the Nazi past of the Third Reich. Everything worked for denazification: the media, cinema, literature, fine arts. The younger generation was forcibly taken to the former death camps, they showed documentaries describing the horrors of Nazism.

All this gave a positive result in the end. This experience should be applied and consistently applied in Ukraine for more than one generation to prevent the recurrence of neo-Nazi ideas.
99 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 24 February 2022 11: 57
    +8
    For me, now Putin is a historical figure on a par with those whom he sometimes stigmatizes - Stalin, Lenin, Alexander 2, Catherine 2, Peter 1 ...
  2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 12: 02
    +6
    Quote: Potapov
    For me, now Putin is a historical figure on a par with those whom he sometimes stigmatizes - Stalin, Lenin, Alexander 2, Catherine 2, Peter 1 ...

    Yes, Putin has really written himself into history in big letters.
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 24 February 2022 14: 30
      -8
      How do you love these show-offs. And entered under what sign, plus or minus? Gorbachev, Yeltsin wrote themselves into history? Don't think about that either.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 14: 42
        +3
        More like a plus. It just had to be done 8 years ago. Then the price of the issue for all would be less.
        1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
          steelmaker 24 February 2022 14: 45
          -6
          If it was 8 years ago, then it would be a plus. And now there are many cons. Moreover, Putin himself has not yet decided how to arrange Ukraine now. There will be some problems for Putin!
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 14: 46
            +3
            Yes, all this will have to pay a heavy price in the economy. But if nothing is done now, tomorrow will be even worse.
          2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 16: 57
            +5
            steelmaker, you already decide somehow - you said Putin is bad if he does not fulfill his threats about military and military-technical measures, now he has fulfilled, he has become even worse. You won't please. You know, better late than never!
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex 24 February 2022 18: 27
              +1
              Hello Wolf! Long time no see! How is it with you in Kharkov - settled down? Stupid vushniki calmed down? And then somewhere there you had shooters on the outskirts ...
              Would you like us to come? And here we are... What's next? soldier wink
              1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 18: 46
                +2
                it’s hard for us, the dogs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have rested, fighting has been going on in the district all day since the morning, we have losses, and tanks burned and infantry fighting vehicles, and there are even prisoners, (this is not a fake), two boys were probably caught from a burned infantry fighting vehicle, I hope , they won’t kill, since they lit up, there are also 200s (one for sure). At 5:08 in the morning they started so that my house was rocking, and this is the very center, and the house is 5-storey, they most likely worked at HAZ, there is a factory airfield, it is within the city. Near Chuguev (40 km from Kharkov) the military airfield was destroyed. Right now they have earned MLRS, I don’t know whose. In Kherson they started an hour later, already a city under the Russian Federation, but in Kharkov they got bogged down
                1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                  A.Lex 24 February 2022 19: 01
                  +1
                  Here are the damn sheep! They climb into the grave themselves and pull others ... Nazi bastards ...
                2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                  A.Lex 24 February 2022 20: 20
                  +1
                  How are you now? Are they hammering? And then I watch your Yuri Podolyak. He says that you have already entered some areas there, and part of the battle is going on. The sums have been taken, and almost the entire region is also taken. Gostomel is taken along with the airfield. Kherson has been taken ... Water has already been released through the MCC ... Kyiv is being taken into a tactical encirclement ...
                3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                  A.Lex 24 February 2022 20: 24
                  0
                  Damn ... They say you have cut off the light there ... That's why, probably, I won't wait for an answer ...
                  1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                    Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 21: 05
                    0
                    no, it’s quiet right now, they cut down the current street lighting, martial law, damn it - pitch darkness
                    yurasums are the only adequate expert, all the rest turned out to be bullshit, even django, beekeeper, karasev, montyan, shariy
                    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex 24 February 2022 21: 32
                      0
                      Are we talking about the same Yuri?
                      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 22: 25
                        +1
                        yes, his nickname is yurasumy in LiveJournal, since 2014 I have been reading and watching it
        2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex 24 February 2022 18: 24
          0
          8 years ago, our army was not yet so ready - it was only enough for the Crimea.
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex 27 February 2022 23: 30
            0
            Ka now? Are the fights on?
    2. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 24 February 2022 22: 08
      -1
      Mr Marzhetsky. For the first time I agree with you. I hear the speech of not a boy but a husband good
  3. zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 24 February 2022 12: 07
    +4
    In any case, now these "heroes" bury their embroidered shirts out of harm's way in the garden, along with evidence of belonging to Nazi units. As they say:
    - Were you waiting? Waiting???? - Meet!!! hi Your wedding in the "robin" is over hi
  4. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 12: 12
    +1
    For this, on the territory of the Ukrainian Federation

    There will be no Ukrainian federation. And do not hope.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 12: 40
      +3
      President: Occupation of Ukraine is not included in Russia's plans
      The President, in his address to the Russians, noted that the response to threats from external forces would be immediate. He announced the start of a special military operation in the Donbass.
      However, the occupation of Ukraine is not included in Russia's plans, Putin stressed.
      “We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force,” the Rossiya 24 TV channel quotes the president as saying.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 12: 49
        +1
        You didn't read everything that Putin said. There will be no occupation. But no one canceled the freedom of choice of the people. That's what the president said.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 12: 50
          +3
          Well, we'll soon see what he had in mind.
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 13: 01
            0
            Here is what I see:
            A) The republics will be asked and they will be accepted in the Russian Federation. They will help to restore the economy. Perhaps there will still be those who wish, but they are unlikely to be accepted. They did not deserve it, unlike the republics.
            B) Three new states are created with the conditional names Novorossia, Little Russia and Galicia.
            C) Transnistria is recognized.
            D) The debt of the former Ukraine will be canceled, as it was obtained by corrupt officials, not for the benefit of the people (the reason is not important, the main thing here is to formulate something like why the Russian Federation did not return 3 billion).
            E) The military bases of the Russian Federation will be only in Galicia. To ensure its neutrality.
            Novorossiya will quickly restore ties with Russia and be a friendly state. Little Russia will be (without the influence of Galicia) a neutral state.

            I would create a Ukrainian federation from the Kiev region, dividing the region into 10-12 states. And he would hang on her the debts of the former Ukraine. But Putin is kind. He won't go for it. It's a pity.

            ps Perhaps the Crimean region will increase its area at the expense of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions.
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 17: 12
              +1
              I would like to ask the Great Iksperd a question - and Transcarpathia, where will it go? To Galicia? So the Rusyns living there hate the Galicians. This is Transcarpathian Rus (the regional center of Uzhgorod), which used to belong to Czechoslovakia, and then, after its division by Hitler, to Slovakia. At the same time, I would like to know about the fate of Bukovina, inhabited by ethnic Romanians (the city of Chernivtsi is their regional center), and Volhynia (the city of Lutsk). And Khmelnitsky where - will you order to Galicia, or to Little Russia? It’s just bad with these dill, you can’t seat everyone on the benches, there aren’t enough benches.
              1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 17: 25
                0
                I am aware of the presence of these regions. I have no opinion on them. That's why I can't say anything.

                In this case, the idea is that part of the territories will go to Russia, and the rest will be divided into several pieces. At least two, but it is better if there are more new states.

                This is a contrast to the views that Ukraine will remain within its current borders or become completely part of Russia.

                By the way, I wrote about this earlier, in my opinion, even with you.
                1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 17: 35
                  +1
                  you have fans here, even from my friends from real life, they consider you a genius, (I would have buried the hatchet, but I didn’t tear it off), regarding your question - I answered the steelworker below, spin the wheel. It's really hot in Kharkov! There are heavy battles on the district, people have been sitting in the basements since morning, I had not gone to bed since the day before yesterday, when at 5:08 in Kiev it rumbled, I realized that the war had begun
                  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 17: 53
                    -1
                    (I would have buried the hatchet, but I did not tear it off)

                    Well, okay, I'll bury it (the ax)).
                    As many may have noticed, I attack all authors, not only Volkonsky or Marzhetsky. Because I often disagree with what is written.
                    The fact that I am aggressive, eater and not at all delicate - this is my manner.
                    At the same time, I can honestly say that I have never tried to insult or humiliate the authors.
                    Trolling sometimes - yes. To be honest, not sometimes, but often.

                    I can apologize to you and Marzhetsky for this,
                    But I cannot promise that I will write comments in a different manner. It's a pancake you have to constantly control yourself, which makes writing comments hard work.
                    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 18: 01
                      +3
                      we have earned MLRS
                      there is no need to apologize, I am for communication on an equal footing, there are such people here, bakht, for example, is a very meticulous person, but correct, Marzhetsky, when he does not write about AUG, he is also always on business, 123, Shark, boriz, there are smart people here , but they all give arguments. And to write "as I see it" - this is for the Battle of Psychics, there you will also raise the dough, this does not work here. Although you turned out to be right, in which I publicly and personally told you
                      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                        Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 18: 57
                        +1
                        Marzhetsky, when he doesn’t write about AUG, is also always on business

                        Haha
              2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 17: 43
                0
                Joint management of these regions with European neighbors is possible. Subject to their demilitarization.
                1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                  A.Lex 24 February 2022 18: 35
                  0
                  YAH!!!! These "European neighbors" have already shown what they are capable of! Bringing to Nazism and the collapse of the current "Ukraine" is one of THEIR results.
                  1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 18: 58
                    +1
                    one of their results.

                    And the indifference of our authorities. Now you have to pour a lot of blood.
                    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex 24 February 2022 19: 02
                      0
                      That's why I say - DO NOT ALLOW it in any case!
            2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex 24 February 2022 18: 30
              0
              ... there were not three lards and there are - there are much more ... but we are not proud - we will take land and people (whoever wants) ...
      2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 24 February 2022 14: 25
        -2
        Denazification of Ukraine type on a voluntary basis will be carried out? He would also wear white gloves. White, fluffy such in the war.
        The fact of the matter is that Ukraine must be annexed to Russia and as a state Ukraine must cease to exist. Otherwise, who will pay Ukraine's debts? And what Putin said is again a problem for other generations.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 14: 26
          +2
          Do you want Russia to repay Ukraine's debts to the IMF?
          1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
            steelmaker 24 February 2022 14: 34
            -4
            No government, no debt! Feint with ears. Although Putin is noble in our country, in relation to others.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 14: 36
              +2
              No, I'm afraid it's not that simple.
              1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                steelmaker 24 February 2022 14: 48
                -4
                And according to Putin, when was it easy and simple? 20 years in power, and Lenin and Stalin are to blame for everything!
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 14: 52
                  +4
                  I have never been a fan of Putin, but this week he forced himself to at least respect.
                  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                    steelmaker 24 February 2022 15: 01
                    -5
                    To be respectful, you must first admit your mistakes. First he created the problem himself, then he solved it himself and there is no one to blame! And who will be responsible for the death of people during these 8 years? Moreover, Putin has not yet solved the problem, but rather created a new one. If the choice is entrusted to the Ukrainians themselves.
                    No state, no problem!! This is unlikely to reach Putin. He never takes the easy way.
  5. Lis_Domino Offline Lis_Domino
    Lis_Domino (Sergei) 24 February 2022 12: 27
    +4
    I agree, in view of Russian indifference, leaving Ukraine alone as a separate state is stupidity. Ukrainian federal district. And they are also like small children - they need constant supervision - and we always have no time.
    And the Nazis who burned people in the House of Trade Unions must be found and roughly punished.
  6. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 24 February 2022 12: 30
    +5
    The author is right. It is necessary to FULLY use the experience of previous generations in denazification and the eradication of the gangster underground, as was the case in post-war Germany and in the western regions of the USSR.
    Considering that now we all know the real face of the West, it is not worth letting it get close to these processes. Only to their results.
    Not bad, and at home to clean, relying on the long-awaited final epiphany.
    In the new reality there is no place for liberal drug dreams.
    We need to firmly hold our future in our hands and help the fraternal peoples to do this, to be sober and firm
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 24 February 2022 14: 42
      -4
      It is necessary to FULLY use the experience of previous generations

      The Constitution of Russia: Article 13, part 1-2.A) The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity. B) No ideology can be established as a state and mandatory.
      Putin that his Constitution will be violated?
  7. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 12: 35
    +5
    To be honest, I did not really believe in the determination of the Russian leadership for a full-scale war. But after the recognition of Donetsk and Lugansk, the war was inevitable. It was understandable. I doubted the scale.
    In the same way, it was obvious that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not be able to resist.
    I only feared the intervention of Poland and others. But, judging by the first day, this did not happen. So the exit of Russian troops to the western regions of Ukraine is quite possible.

    I hope in a few days the hot phase will end. And the question will arise about the political reformatting of the state of Ukraine. It is possible to preserve the state in a new capacity. Federal, non-bloc, neutral Ukraine.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 12: 41
      +2
      I hope in a few days the hot phase will end. And the question will arise about the political reformatting of the state of Ukraine. It is possible to preserve the state in a new capacity. Federal, non-bloc, neutral Ukraine.

      Federative, part of the CSTO, the EAEU and the Union State, pro-Russian Ukraine.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 24 February 2022 12: 51
        -1
        falsely pro-Russian. passed many times already. while the asses heal will be affectionate.
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 24 February 2022 15: 35
          +1
          Asses will heal those who will be judged by our peoples and will be behind bars.
          The people of Ukraine will be freed from the fear of the Nazis and will enjoy the benefits of cooperation with Russia TO THE FULL EXTENT, just like ourselves.
          Further - a common Future and a common Hatred for those who quarreled us.
          We will already be attentive to national issues, and will not let them take their course
          1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 24 February 2022 15: 38
            +1
            Bandera 70 years ago were convicted and received a term. How is the common bright future and the general hatred of fascism doing there? before that, they condemned and imprisoned the Gaidamaks of Rezun, Mazepovites, etc. I don't believe in fairy tales laughing I despise those with short memories.
            1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
              Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 24 February 2022 15: 59
              0
              You are narrow minded. There are no victories - forever. Victory must be defended and justified CONTINUOUSLY.
              If you try to discern a mistake in the past, then it may be that Stalin did not go to the English Channel in 1945.
              We don't have to repeat it now. We and its people need to eradicate Evil on the territory of Ukraine to the end
              1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                Just a cat (Bayun) 24 February 2022 16: 00
                0
                I hope Putin does not have the habit of riding a rake and he will not repeat the mistakes of his predecessors. And Russia will never again hear from the Little Russians crawling on their knees their false oaths of eternal friendship.
      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 12: 59
        +4
        Marzhetsky Mr. I fully agree with your remark.
        But I want to clarify some points. Actually one moment.
        As you know, I was against the recognition of the LNR and the DNR. For the reason that I did not believe in Putin's determination to go all the way. And I also wrote that what's done is done. And now we must go to the end. As you wrote "pro-Russian Ukraine". How to achieve this? Should the LNR and DNR be accepted into Russia? Or should they become part of the "pro-Russian Ukraine"? The map shows the regions of Ukraine.


        Of course, there are too many of them for the Federation. But if we combine several regions (in particular, Novorossiya) and reduce their number to 4-5, then for "pro-Russian Ukraine" it simply needs pro-Russian regions in its composition.
        In this case, these federal entities should have protection agreements with the Russian Federation and, possibly, bases on their territory. And the deputies of these pro-Russian regions should be part of the Verkhovna Rada in Kiev. But there is a risk that the Western regions can also form their own Federation and go to the West.

        PS I have always been interested in more serious issues than the war. I am interested in the world that comes AFTER the war. And security guarantees in Europe
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 13: 35
          +2
          It seems to me that the answers to your questions are written in the article: the systemic denazification of the former Ukraine and the deployment of Russian military bases on its territory, its admission to the CSTO and the SG. It is also possible to enshrine directly in the Constitution that Ukraine is a protectorate of Russia, which is the guarantor of its security. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will dissolve almost everything, down to purely symbolic values, and leave it in the form of parade guards.

          But there is a risk that the Western regions can also form their own Federation and go to the West.

          Who will ask their opinion now?
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 13: 39
            +1
            Denazification is not a one-year process. Deployment of military bases is possible only in the presence of the government of Ukraine. Otherwise, it is occupation. Admission to the CSTO is already a bloc status. Changing the Constitution is also possible in the presence of the government and the Rada.
            As you can see, any solution presupposes the presence of some kind of government in Kiev. And the Legislative body in the form of the Rada.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 13: 46
              +3
              Yes, I know. I believe that after the surrender, a provisional government will be appointed. After that, re-elections to the Rada will be held, where there will be no Nazis, and then presidential elections, where only proven candidates will be allowed. So the "manual" power will be formed.
              Then it's a matter of technique with the adoption of amendments to the Constitution and the signing of other strategic documents.
              I see nothing wrong with Ukraine's bloc status. The main thing is that she should be in the pro-Russian military bloc, and not in the anti-Russian one. hi
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 13: 49
                0
                She will no longer be in the anti-Russian bloc. In 2008, in Bucharest, Putin warned US President Bush

                This statement by Putin at a closed meeting of the Russia-NATO Council is reported by the Russian newspaper Kommersant, citing a source in the delegation of one of the NATO countries.

                “When it came to Ukraine, Putin flared up. Addressing Bush, he said: “You understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? Part of its territory is Eastern Europe, and part, and a significant one, was donated by us! ”And then he very transparently hinted that if Ukraine is nevertheless accepted into NATO, this state will simply cease to exist", - said the source of the publication.

                "That is, in fact, he threatened that Russia could start tearing away Crimea and Eastern Ukraine," the interlocutor explained.
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 13: 50
                  0
                  The appeal in the 2008 statements seems very strange to me. hi
                  I am almost sure that Ukraine will not be accepted into the Russian Federation. It should become a Russian protectorate, IMHO.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 14: 22
                    -1
                    The fact that Ukraine will not be accepted into the Russian Federation, I agree. Protectorate is historically a slightly different term. But essentially, it's correct.
                    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 14: 23
                      0
                      The US has a lot of associated properties abroad, both France and the UK. Why is Russia worse?
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 14: 24
                        -1
                        Nothing worse. I said "historically" the term is a little discredited. Although essentially true.
                        The Czech Republic became a protectorate of Germany in 1939.
                      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                        Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 14: 27
                        0
                        Not the best historical parallel.
                      3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 14: 28
                        -1
                        Well, I'm talking about the same.
                      4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                        steelmaker 24 February 2022 15: 07
                        -2
                        Here you see. You two cannot agree, argue. Because argue about Ukraine as a state! If Putin joins Ukraine to Russia, many problems in the future will disappear.
                      5. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 16: 18
                        -1
                        In this case, we do not argue. We discuss.
                        We have a mutual understanding that Ukraine must be preserved as a state. We agree that it should be a state loyal to Russia. Only the political structure of the state of Ukraine remains.
                        Whatever you say, but at present the state of Ukraine exists and no one (including Putin) is talking about its liquidation.
                      6. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 16: 28
                        0
                        How is nobody talking about this? I say. And my neighbor Grisha fully agrees with me because I never deceived him.
                      7. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 16: 31
                        -1
                        Guilty. Yes, you say. And there are many more people with you. But I listen to officials more.
                      8. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 16: 38
                        0
                        Many officials spoke about the recognition of the republics, and even along the borders of the regions? Or that there will be a war?
                        I spoke and I was right. So your tactic to get information does not work. Although this, of course, is entirely up to you.
                      9. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 16: 50
                        0
                        When exactly did they speak? 8 years or last week? The fact that after the recognition of the republics there will be a war was clear to everyone. And the fact that it was necessary to go to the western borders of Ukraine was also clear.

                        PS Just for information. Your nickname in no way reflects reality. Analytics and prediction are opposite things. But that's up to you, of course.
                      10. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 17: 00
                        -1
                        Analytics and prediction are opposite things.

                        My nickname is irony, not pathos.

                        When exactly did they speak?

                        He wrote about recognition and war on 7.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX. I even guessed the date.

                        The fact that after the recognition of the republics there will be a war was clear to everyone.

                        Yes, somehow no. For example, the author of this article believed that there would be no war.
                      11. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 17: 17
                        -1
                        I noticed one interesting feature. Not only here. This is true for many people in general. "But I said" is a standard phrase and position.
                        The analysis must be based on facts and must be justified. Just saying "I said" is not serious. By the way, Biden also spoke. True with the date lost. But back in November, the West was saying that the war would start after the Olympics. Also analysis?
                        It is possible to predict the course of events if the number of variables is small. If the number of variables is more than three, then the analysis practically turns into a prediction. As in chess, the number of options multiplies exponentially.
                        There might not have been a war. J. Kennedy often presented visitors with B. Tuckman's book "The Guns of August". She made a great impression on him, precisely as an example of how countries slipped into a war that might not have happened. During the days of the Cuban Missile Crisis, this book was constantly on his desk.
                        So I do not consider all statements on the topic "I said" serious. We are discussing the further political structure of Ukraine. I express my opinion of the best option. But I do not insist that it will be so. For the simple reason that this is my personal opinion, a view from my bell tower. Those in power (and this is Putin, Biden, Zelensky can be ignored, the EU, NATO, China) may have completely different plans.
                      12. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 17: 34
                        0
                        The analysis must be based on facts and must be justified. Just saying "I said" is not serious.

                        Well, how do you propose to arrange it in the comments? Zababahat text for 10 - 20 pages? Yes, and make it readable at the same time.
                        I don’t get paid for it.

                        For self-testing, I simply record my predictions in the comments, and then check how many came true. Until everything comes true. Three out of three. And given the date, we can say four out of four.

                        I made some new predictions in the comments above. Or predictions. In my clear and specific description of what I expect. It will be easy to check.
                      13. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 17: 38
                        -1
                        Have not seen. Just now I read it. Well then. We'll see. I do not agree with your prediction. But we'll see. If I forget - then remind me, if anything.
                    2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 17: 39
                      0
                      It is possible to predict the course of events if the number of variables is small. If the number of variables is more than three, then the analysis practically turns into a prediction. As in chess, the number of options multiplies exponentially.

                      This is a theoretical discussion. And, in my opinion, absolutely not true.
                      It is enough to guess the goal and then filtered by this goal, the options for events will remain one, two, three. With the help of facts, you can determine the correct option.
                    3. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 17: 40
                      +1
                      baht, I put a plus sign!
                    4. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 17: 42
                      -2
                      Thanks. I hope that Ukraine will still be. within its current boundaries. But no longer anti-Russia.
                      Although I just read the information (I don’t know what the reliability is) that a referendum on joining Hungary is already being prepared in Transcarpathia.
                    5. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 17: 53
                      0
                      I think that GDP will agree with Orban (I answered your question to the steelmaker below, you will see under your dispute with Iksperd)
            2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 17: 01
              0
              At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.
              .

              But this does not contradict the high values ​​of human rights and freedoms, based on the realities that have developed today over all the post-war decades. It also does not cancel the right of nations to self-determination, enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.

              Let me remind you that neither during the creation of the USSR, nor after the Second World War, people living in certain territories that are part of modern Ukraine, no one ever asked how they themselves want to arrange their lives. Our policy is based on freedom, the freedom of choice for everyone to independently determine their own future and the future of their children. And we consider it important that this right - the right to choose - could be used by all the peoples living on the territory of today's Ukraine, by anyone who wants it.

              (c) Putin's speech.
            3. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2022 17: 21
              -1
              The reference to the UN Charter no longer makes sense. Especially on the "right of nations to self-determination." This right has a number of significant limitations. The legal basis for the "right of nations to self-determination" I consider Buchanan's study "Problems of Secession". In my opinion, this is the clearest study of this right.

              So, based on the UN Charter, Kosovo has the right to secede.
            4. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 17: 43
              0
              I put the text not to discuss legal details, but as an example of the fact that these are hints about how Ukraine will be dealt with. For me, these are clues.
              You wrote that you study what officials say. That's what Putin said.
  8. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
    Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 17: 25
    +1
    the answer is simple - the Union State. It will include the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine. Everything has already been decided. Luke said this back at Christmas. The time for denazification is 15 years. I think we will manage in 5 years. But demonstrative executions of Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko, Avakov will be needed, add the rest of the parasyukov and parubiy with tyagniboks and fariones yourself. It's a pity they will run away, scum! Heavy fighting in Kharkov. It was not possible to take it on a whim. We already have losses (both equipment and people). Who are ours, you understand.
  9. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 25 February 2022 16: 22
    +1
    Canada is a protectorate of England?
  • Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 24 February 2022 13: 50
    0
    When the Germans were forced to exhume the victims of the Third Reich during the denazification, they were horrified and remembered. Khokhols will only scoff, and they are accustomed to shit by the Poles.
  • Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 24 February 2022 12: 43
    +2
    here they will answer for Odessa .... and for everything else too
  • Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 24 February 2022 12: 50
    -1
    Well, now at work, a "refugee" from Mariupol, who has been holding citizenship for three years up to the age of 28, can be asked to return to his homeland in order not to register with the military registration and enlistment office.
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 February 2022 13: 02
    -6
    We can!

    What "we can"? These are just the first days.
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 February 2022 13: 07
    -4
    What can we do? With our Russian corrupt legal apparatus, things are dead. We cannot fight with our thieves. Theft, corruption, betrayal, worse than Ukrainian Nazism.
    I represent Colonels Zinchenko, Fesenkov, Judge Khakhalev, denazifiers. Tariffs in foreign currency will be sky-high.
    And there are not many local replacements. It's one thing to shake words on a talk show with Sheinin, it's another thing to work and remember the hero D. Banionis "no one wanted to die."
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 24 February 2022 13: 15
    +2
    Do not rush to accept "honorable surrender" (Lukashenko's proposals for negotiations in Minsk). You need to use this operation and bring the matter to the end. As they did in 1945. Subject to errors. The West should not have any support in Ukraine
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2022 13: 35
      0
      Of course, we must go to Kiev and accept the surrender there.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 February 2022 13: 41
    -1
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    The West should not have any support in Ukraine

    To do this, you need to go to the Polish border. Reptile must be strangled in its nest.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 24 February 2022 15: 23
      0
      We need the Ukrainians themselves to eradicate Evil - otherwise everything will be short-lived. Will this be possible in the western territories, and to what extent - life will show
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 17: 27
      0
      agree! support!
  • qtfreet Offline qtfreet
    qtfreet (Stephen Hawkins) 24 February 2022 15: 37
    -1
    My question is, is it possible to repeat this already in South Korea in order to make it a neutral non-bloc country? How should American troops be withdrawn from the peninsula?
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 February 2022 17: 28
      -2
      this is to Comrade. Si. He will deal with this as soon as he resolves the issue with Taiwan. Japan get ready.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 February 2022 17: 01
        -5
        Hurry, make the crowd laugh. Xi Mr. thorough, solid. Chinese diplomats are skilled. And the scouts of the PRC do not differ in venality. In any case, the chiefs of the Japanese and American departments did not betray their chiefs and the CPC Central Committee.
  • innuendo.od Offline innuendo.od
    innuendo.od (Slav Slavych) 24 February 2022 17: 22
    -2
    If I am not mistaken, in the Russian Empire Crimea was an integral part of the Novorossiysk Territory with the Governor General in the city of Odessa, which, in turn, was a county town of the Kherson province. Somehow it was... But Odessa was the capital of the Territory.
  • Art Pilot Offline Art Pilot
    Art Pilot (pilot) 24 February 2022 23: 23
    0
    Useless! Any Ukraine the US and the EU will turn into anti-Russia.
    Novorossiya should be taken to Russia. Chernivtsi - to Romania, Transcarpathia - to Hungary, Volyn and Rivne - to Belarus.
  • alik2 Offline alik2
    alik2 25 February 2022 17: 06
    0
    It's time to connect Berkut to the cleansing of Kiev.
  • Rumen5252 Offline Rumen5252
    Rumen5252 (Rumen) 26 February 2022 08: 03
    0
    I read all the comments with great interest.
  • The comment was deleted.