The Russian Aerospace Forces transferred a large air group to El-Kamyshly, including the A-50U


The Russian military deployed a large aviation group to its base at the Al-Qamishli airport, including the A-50U A-25U airborne surveillance aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces (AWACS). On December XNUMX, Russian Telegram channels specializing in military topics informed the public about this.


It should be noted that the A-50U visited this facility for the first time, located in the Al-Hasakah province in northeastern Syria near the border with Turkey. Moreover, this air harbor can receive aircraft of any class and type, it has one runway with an asphalt covering measuring 3615 by 46 meters.



We remind you that in November there were redeployed 12 Su-34 fighter-bombers, 5 super-maneuverable Su-35S heavy fighters and 4 MiG-29 multipurpose light fighters, as well as a pair of Ka-52 reconnaissance and attack helicopters. Prior to that, Mi-35M and Mi-8 helicopters were already based at the facility. Il-76 and An-124 aircraft of the Military Transport Aviation (VTA) of the Russian Aerospace Forces have repeatedly landed there, and a Tu-154M passenger plane of the Russian Defense Ministry was also seen.

In fact, this base has become the second Khmeimim for the Russians in the SAR. It allows you to observe the development of the situation in the most problematic area for Damascus, inhabited mainly by Kurds and dotted with illegal American strongholds.
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  1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
    Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 25 December 2021 19: 56
    -18
    Russia has already lost what to do with money? How many apartments could be built for the same pilots and technicians?
    1. maiman61 Offline maiman61
      maiman61 (Yuri) 25 December 2021 20: 47
      +15
      Better for the barmaley and their henchmen to build apartments two meters underground with this money! And they build apartments for pilots and technicians.
      1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 25 December 2021 20: 51
        -14
        Maybe so, but so far their State, Barmaley, is taking care of the barmaley, and the Russian Federation can only build beams on a mortgage only for its defenders!
      2. avg Offline avg
        avg (Alexander) 26 December 2021 11: 17
        +2
        I admire the pack of "Tabaki" on this site. It’s a pity that there are only a few creative people, moaning about apartments, caring for pensioners and backward health care no longer bothers anyone, and the “officers’s daughters” cannot be rebuilt, they are lazy. Philonyat ...
    2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
      sH, arK 26 December 2021 11: 43
      +2
      Pilots - they must fly. Military pilots need constant training in combat skills, but isn't it better to train them in conditions "as close as possible to combat" ?! And Khmeimim and the "apartments" in it are also needed, and like in Tartus, and now in El-Kamyshli ... So everything is fine, these are the requirements of the profession, and they have apartments, the state takes care of this.
  2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 December 2021 00: 29
    -8
    Only one AWACS and U complex, in the absence of VKS reconnaissance, in the absence of an electronic warfare (REP) aircraft, it is not enough even by the standards of peacetime.
    1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
      Michael1950 (Michael) 26 December 2021 02: 34
      -5
      - A-50U - what a wonderful target for Turkish fighters!
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 December 2021 09: 02
        -7
        If you do not hope at random, as on November 24, 2015, correctly assess the maneuvers of Turkish fighters, do not leave the A-50U crew without fighter cover, do not cross the Turkish border, then the A-50U crew will remain highly likely to survive. is its radar without AFAR. Turks can interfere with it from their electronic means.
        1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
          Michael1950 (Michael) 26 December 2021 09: 56
          -4
          ... not to leave the crew of the A-50U without fighter cover

          - Well, what kind of "cover"? He can be knocked out of Turkish territory in five seconds - on takeoff ...

          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 December 2021 11: 24
            -4
            Given the range of the A-50U radar, it can be based and patrolling away from this airfield. It is unlikely that the command of the Khmeimim aviators will decide on such an adventure as basing the A-50U near the border. There are very few of these complexes left, I mean, combat-ready in the Russian Aerospace Forces. Not enough even for peacetime. The Turks, even without aviation, will manage with one artillery.
          2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
            sH, arK 26 December 2021 11: 51
            0
            Anything can be knocked down. Only the Turks are not suckers, they think about their own interests, not about strangers! And now is not 2015. The Russian contingent has clearly improved its efficiency very well.
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  3. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 26 December 2021 12: 12
    -6
    - This airfield is generally on "American" soil ... lol And the Americans will (most likely) shoot down Russian planes there ... what

    1. Dear sofa expert. 26 December 2021 13: 42
      +2
      And the Americans will (most likely) shoot down Russian planes there ...

      Don't talk more nonsense here! Nobody and nobody will shoot down.
      After Putin's frank and intelligible statement, the Americans (and others like them) will now sit still like mice and be afraid to even fart.
      And so all the Western media have become quiet. They are feverishly trying to come up with a worthy response to the Russian ultimatum, but so far, alas, there is none.
      1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
        Michael1950 (Michael) 26 December 2021 13: 44
        -5
        - In Deir ez-Zor, all... But not everyone understood yet ... am

        And so all the Western media have become quiet. They are feverishly trying to come up with a worthy response to the Russian ultimatum, but so far, alas, there is none.

        - And what will Russia do if a negative answer is given to its "ultimatum"? ("Bolt in place"?):
        a) Will Voronezh be bombed?
        b) Capture another piece of Ukraine?
        c) Express deep displeasure and hand over another million square kilometers of its territory to China in protest for 99 years?
        1. Dear sofa expert. 26 December 2021 14: 25
          +3
          And what will Russia do if a negative answer is given to its "ultimatum"? ("Bolt in place"?):

          Yes, I say, nothing will happen. You can "lay down your bolt", run a figurine behind your frail back, or cross goat legs, cursing into a weak fist .. your right. But you will not dare to cross the line that was recently marked for you. You are not so stupid as to change from a warm, well-fed chair into the trenches.
          1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
            Michael1950 (Michael) 26 December 2021 14: 54
            -7
            - Then do not forget when one zip comes out of the ultimatum, to remember everything that you just said?
            Otherwise, you will forget, you will say that "this is how everything was planned!" laughing lol
            1. Dear sofa expert. 26 December 2021 15: 00
              +5
              Then do not forget, when one zip comes out of the ultimatum,

              And what do you think will be considered zilch:
              - if nothing happens.?
              or
              - if the Americans shoot down Russian planes with impunity?

              For me, the opposite is obvious. Russia read out an ultimatum to the West, which, in case of non-compliance with the conditions set, is literally tantamount to a declaration of war. Only an idiot could not understand this.
              1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
                Michael1950 (Michael) 26 December 2021 15: 20
                -8
                Only an idiot could not understand this.

                - So you, "dummy", think that if Putin's ultimatum demands are not met, then Russia will declare war on NATO? Or just the United States? (The ultimatum is sent only to Americans)
                And how will this be expressed practically, materially ?? laughing wink Mass launch of SS-20 missiles? lol tongue
                1. Dear sofa expert. 26 December 2021 15: 30
                  +6
                  If Putin's ultimatum demands are not met, will Russia declare war on NATO? Or just the United States? (The ultimatum is sent only to Americans)

                  As I understand it, the ultimatum was announced not to "only the Americans", in general to the collective West, representing the NATO bloc.
                  Regarding the failure to fulfill the conditions of the ultimatum, in particular the attempt to further expand NATO "eastward", Russia secures itself the moral right to any preventive action. This will not necessarily be an immediate military response to the bloc countries. It is enough to first strike this blow at the "disputed territory". But in case of rash intervention and, if necessary, and on the "third party"
                  The West finally realized this, and stuck its tongue into its anus.
                2. Fourth Offline Fourth
                  Fourth (Fourth) 26 December 2021 15: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Michael1950
                  And how will this be expressed practically, materially ?? Mass launch of SS-20 missiles?

                  Let it be a surprise! laughing
            2. bobba94 Offline bobba94
              bobba94 (Vladimir) 26 December 2021 23: 03
              0
              They answered correctly, in essence, they answered like Mykola, and not like Michael or Michel, so take it for granted and calm down ...
        2. Fourth Offline Fourth
          Fourth (Fourth) 26 December 2021 15: 44
          +2
          Quote: Michael1950
          - And what will Russia do if a negative answer is given to its "ultimatum"?

          Organizes a census of Soviet Jews in Israel! smile
        3. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
          Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 26 December 2021 16: 06
          +3
          And what will Russia do if a negative answer is given to its "ultimatum"? ("Bolt in place"?):

          It was clearly stated by Ryabkov - Russia will give a military and military-technical answer, and what exactly will be seen, we can assume, for example, that "something" will appear in Cuba, Venice, Nicaragua
          1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
            Michael1950 (Michael) 26 December 2021 18: 38
            -2
            we can assume, for example, that "something" will appear in Cuba, Venice, Nicaragua

            - Well, here's a constructive answer! laughing One (his name was Nikita Khrushchev) brought several nuclear missiles to Cuba. So when he was later "removed from work", the "flock of comrades" reproached him with the main reproach for the fact that "he put the country on the brink of a thermonuclear war" ... But your Serene Highness is not afraid of thermonuclear war, he knows that all of you led by him will go to Paradise, and they will die! laughing lol
            1. isofat Online isofat
              isofat (isofat) 26 December 2021 19: 04
              +1
              Quote: Michael1950
              - Well, here's a constructive answer!

              Read carefully. This probabilistic answer! smile
            2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
              Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 26 December 2021 19: 25
              +3
              The point is not whether he is afraid or not, Russia simply DOES NOT LEAVE ANOTHER OUTPUT! Maybe NATO thinks that they are so terrible and Russia will retreat beyond the Urals? After the US withdraws from the INF and ABM and the countries bordering on Russia are drawn into NATO, it seems that the "main godfather" overseas is not afraid of a thermonuclear war. let him know that his "hut" will burn out very quickly if something happens
            3. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
              Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 27 December 2021 01: 50
              +1
              One (his name was Nikita Khrushchev) brought several nuclear missiles to Cuba. So when he was later "removed from work", the "flock of comrades" reproached him with the main reproach for the fact that "he put the country on the brink of a thermonuclear war."

              One important detail is that Khrushchev deployed missiles in Cuba as a RESPONSE to the deployment of missiles by the Americans in Turkey, that is, the USSR was not the initiator of the Cuban missile crisis, but his retaliatory actions forced the United States to “back out.” The same is happening now, the US policy is offensive and aggressive, Russia's actions are retaliatory and defensive. I do not know who blamed Khrushchev and for what, no one will blame Putin, today the political elite is united with him in his position in relation to the United States and NATO.
  4. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 26 December 2021 19: 58
    -2
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    The point is not whether he is afraid or not, Russia simply DOES NOT LEAVE ANOTHER OUTPUT!

    - What kind exit ?? Tell me ?! What is this fuss about ??

    Maybe NATO thinks that they are so terrible and Russia will retreat beyond the Urals?

    - And who is here "driving Russia for the Urals" ?? Where does this nonsense come from in the mind at all?

    after the US withdrawn from the INF and ABM and the drawing in NATO of the countries bordering on Russia, it seems that the "chief godfather" overseas is not afraid of a thermonuclear war, so let him know that his "hut" will burn out very quickly if what

    - I can't understand: from what devil is someone suddenly imagining a nuclear war? There must be a good reason for this, even for a normal war! winked And here - NUCLEAR!
    Who wants her ?? Who raves her ?? WHY DOES SOMEONE NEED IT TODAY?
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 26 December 2021 21: 38
      +3
      What is the way out ?? Tell me ?! What is this fuss about ??

      NATO has swallowed up all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, now it is brazenly trying to wrest some former Soviet republics from Russia's sphere of influence and also draw them into NATO, at the same time building military infrastructure in these countries, setting up military bases and setting these countries against Russia, thereby surrounding cordon of "unfriendly countries. Why is this done?"

      I can't understand: from what devil is someone suddenly imagining a nuclear war?

      A nuclear war is not just imagined by someone, it is quite real today, even more real than during the Cold War. The most dangerous thing is that the United States seems to seriously believe that they can win such a war, because they think that Russia is weak. and is weak. A global quick disarming strike, it was invented in Russia?

      There must be a good reason for this, even for a normal war.

      Powell's test tube at the UN, was that a serious reason for the attack on Iraq, and what was a serious reason for bombing Libya?

      And here - NUCLEAR!
      Who wants her ?? Who raves her ?? Besides the Kremlin ?! WHY DOES SOMEONE NEED IT TODAY?

      When the United States has hypersound and it decides to deploy such missiles in Ukraine, how long will the flight time to Moscow be? One minute, two? Do you think this is a serious conversation?
      1. isofat Online isofat
        isofat (isofat) 26 December 2021 21: 49
        +2
        The Japanese know better than others that the United States may be motivated by a simple desire to test its nuclear weapons.
        1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
          Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 26 December 2021 21: 59
          +1
          The hegemon with all his teeth and limbs will cling to the elusive world order "in American style"
  5. Volga073 Offline Volga073
    Volga073 (MIKLE) 26 December 2021 23: 54
    0
    We work guys! Destroy Erdogan!
  6. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 December 2021 04: 16
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    What is the way out ?? Tell me ?! What is this fuss about ??

    NATO swallowed up all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact ...

    - Stop, stop, stop! Not "NATO swallowed all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact", but all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, having got rid of the "tutelage" of the collapsed USSR (through the fault of the moron Gorbachev), immediately rushed to NATO! ABSOLUTELY VOLUNTARY! laughing Hoping to hide from Russia!

    ... is now brazenly trying to wrest some former Soviet republics from Russia's sphere of influence and also drag them into NATO

    - Yes, enough nonsense to grind: ALL the former Soviet republics of the USSR are glad to hide from Russia in NATO, but not everyone is taken there! lol

    ... along the way, building up military infrastructure in these countries, setting up military bases and setting these countries against Russia, thereby surrounding the "cordon sanitaire" of unfriendly countries. Why is this done?

    - All the anti-Western hysteria since 2007, from Putin's Munich speech, has been whipped up exclusively from Russia, with a single and understandable purpose: to preserve the Putin regime, he desperately needed an external enemy. This has long been clear to small children. There is simply no reason for NATO to "attack" Russia, not even the slightest one. You will not be able to answer the question WHY NATO ATTACK RUSSIA ?!

    I can't understand: from what devil is someone suddenly imagining a nuclear war?

    A nuclear war is not just imagined by someone, it is quite real today, even more real than during the Cold War.

    - Name the interested parties (except China) who needs a nuclear missile war between Russia and NATO ?? Do you personally need it? Any citizen of any NATO country needs it ?? WHO NEEDS and WHY ?!

    The most dangerous thing is that the US seems to seriously believe that they can win such a war, because they think that Russia is weak and weak. A global quick disarming strike, was it invented in Russia?

    - Once again: why does the West need a nuclear war with Russia ??


    There must be a good reason for this, even for a normal war.

    Powell's test tube at the UN, was this a serious reason for the attack on Iraq?

    - The reason for the attack on Iraq in 1991 was that Iraq attacked and captured Kuwait. The 2003 war is just a continuation of the 1991 war.

    And what good reason was there to bomb Libya?

    - Actually, Libya began to be bombed by two of Putin's best friends - Sarkozy and Berlusconi! wink Only when they ran out of precision-guided ammunition did they ask the United States for help - and Obama, bending over, provided them with such help. Russia, represented by President Medvedev, whose puppeteer was Prime Minister Putin, did not block this decision in the Security Council.- Or did you not read the newspapers then, as a child ?! Now who do you blame? Putin is in his place, ask him about Libya ...

    And here - NUCLEAR!
    Who wants her ?? Who raves her ?? Besides the Kremlin ?! WHY DOES SOMEONE NEED IT TODAY?

    When the United States has hypersound and decides to deploy such missiles in Ukraine, how long will the flight time to Moscow be? one minute, two? Do you think this is a serious conversation?

    - It is quite possible to talk about the placement of nuclear missiles near the borders of Russia. This is perfectly legitimate. And such a conversation will take place on January 12th.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 27 December 2021 17: 31
      0
      to preserve the Putin regime, he desperately needed an external enemy.

      Absolute delirium, no one and nothing has ever threatened Putin so much that he would start looking for external enemies to preserve "his regime." Do not read Ukrainian newspapers, it is harmful to the brain.

      You will not be able to answer the question WHY NATO ATTACK ON RUSSIA ?!

      who needs a nuclear missile war between Russia and NATO ?? Do you personally need it? Any citizen of any NATO country needs it ?? WHO NEEDS and WHY ?!

      Ordinary people do not need anyone. Once again, I will ask you why the United States withdrew from the KEY agreements of the European security architecture ABM and INF Treaty?

      And what good reason was there to bomb Libya?

      - Actually, Libya began to be bombed by two of Putin's best friends - Sarkozy and Berlusconi! wink Only when they ran out of high-precision ammunition did they ask the United States for help - and Obama, bending over, provided them with such help. Russia, represented by President Medvedev, whose puppeteer was Prime Minister Putin, did not block this decision in the Security Council - or did you not read newspapers then, because you were young ?! Now who do you blame? Putin is in his place, ask him about Libya

      That is, it is necessary to ask Putin for the bombing of Libya ?? Enchanting! laughing
      You said that a serious reason is needed for the war, well, what was the reason? Do you naively believe that the Russian veto would save Libya? Yes, they wanted to spit on the Security Council and the UN itself. What are the powers of the UN Security Council for the United States and the coalition in Syria?

      The reason for the attack on Iraq in 1991 was that Iraq attacked and captured Kuwait

      What does the US care about Iraq and Kuwait? Again, did the US have UN Security Council sanctions on the invasion of Iraq?
  7. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 December 2021 04: 17
    0
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    The hegemon with all his teeth and limbs will cling to the elusive world order "in American style"

    - China will undoubtedly become the future hegemon in the world, but who will Russia be under China, that is the question ?! A very difficult question ...
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  8. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 December 2021 17: 52
    0
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    to preserve the Putin regime, he desperately needed an external enemy.

    Absolute nonsense, no one and nothing has ever threatened Putin so much that he would start looking for external enemies to preserve "his regime."

    - He told you so himself ?! laughing tongue

    Do not read Ukrainian newspapers, it is bad for the brain.

    - What does the "Ukrainian newspaper" have to do with it? I never read them when I was born and am not going to, I live in Israel.

    You will not be able to answer the question WHY NATO ATTACK ON RUSSIA ?!

    who needs a nuclear missile war between Russia and NATO ?? Do you personally need it? Any citizen of any NATO country needs it ?? WHO NEEDS and WHY ?!

    Ordinary people don't need anyone. Once again, I will ask you why the United States withdrew from the KEY treaties of the European security architecture ABM and INF Treaty?

    - "Elementary Watson!" Any agreements on the reduction of any nuclear missile weapons can only be considered together with China. And China has hammered a bolt on all Russian-American relations. He does not want and is not going to cut anything for himself.... And since today it is he who is the main rival of the United States (not Russia!) - the United States does not even want to hear about any bilateral agreements without China.

    And what good reason was there to bomb Libya?

    - Actually, Libya began to be bombed by two of Putin's best friends - Sarkozy and Berlusconi! wink Only when they ran out of high-precision ammunition did they ask the United States for help - and Obama, bending over, provided them with such help. Russia, represented by President Medvedev, whose puppeteer was Prime Minister Putin, did not block this decision in the Security Council - or did you not read newspapers then, because you were young ?! Now who do you blame? Putin is in his place, ask him about Libya

    That is, it is necessary to ask Putin for the bombing of Libya ?? Enchanting! laughing

    - Russia could veto in the UN Security Council and cancel all bombings. She didn't stop them.

    You said that there was a serious reason for the war, so what was the reason? Do you naively believe that Russia's veto would have saved Libya?

    - Of course. Nobody canceled the UN Security Council, nobody dispersed it.

    Yes, they wanted to spit on the Security Council and the UN as such. What are the powers of the UN Security Council for the United States and the coalition in Syria

    The reason for the attack on Iraq in 1991 was that Iraq attacked and captured Kuwait

    What does the US care about Iraq and Kuwait? Again, did the US have UN Security Council sanctions on the invasion of Iraq?

    - Of course there were! Even Russian newspapers wrote about it, you just never read them! But you haven't been banned in Googe, have you? Take a look there.
    ......................
    And please, put a space after any punctuation marks !! am So that everyone can see that this text was typed by a competent person ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 27 December 2021 19: 17
      +1
      Did he tell you so himself ?!

      No, I just live in Russia, before the crisis in Ukraine, the Russian economy was the sixth in the world, the standard of living was quite good, there were no particular reasons for discontent among people, and therefore there were no threats to the "regime", with the exception of a small handful of various marginals. It was. All the problems are that Putin simply does not want, and will never obey the West and the United States, this categorically does not suit them, hence the sanctions, screeching, threats, sanctions again, and all this in the hope of undermining Russia from the inside, since it is no longer possible to subjugate

      What does the "Ukrainian newspaper" have to do with it? I never read them when I was born and am not going to, I live in Israel.

      Do not read, but repeat the same nonsense that they write in them and other Western publications, but I understand that the state propaganda machine is working at full capacity, including in Israel

      Elementary, Watson! "Any agreements on the reduction of any nuclear missile weapons can only be considered together with China. And China has hammered all Russian-American relations. It does not want and does not intend to reduce anything at home. the main rival of the United States (not Russia!) - the United States does not want to hear about any bilateral agreements "without China."

      If the United States is so afraid of China, what prevents it from concluding a separate agreement with it, why was it to withdraw from the agreements already concluded with Russia? China's nuclear arsenal is several times smaller than both Russian and American, and China will only build it up, tie Russia and China into a single treaty, these are unrealistic and unrealistic wishes of the United States, since this will be beneficial ONLY to the United States, they cannot offer anything in exchange for an equivalent one, no one will not do it
  9. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 December 2021 20: 16
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    Elementary, Watson! "Any agreements on the reduction of any nuclear missile weapons can only be considered together with China. And China has hammered all Russian-American relations. It does not want and does not intend to reduce anything at home. the main rival of the United States (not Russia!) - the United States does not want to hear about any bilateral agreements "without China."

    If the United States is so afraid of China, which prevents them from concluding a separate agreement with it

    - The reluctance of China to enter into any such agreements interferes.

    Why was it necessary to withdraw from the agreements already concluded with Russia?

    - In order that it is impossible to deal with the limitations of its own nuclear forces, if China is building up its own without limit! am

    China's nuclear arsenal is several times smaller than both Russian and American

    - Yes?? who told you ?! Comrade Xi Jinping ?!

    , and China will only increase it

    - So he increases it - and China wanted to spit on the United States. And today he does not put Russia in anything at all.

    to tie Russia and China into a single treaty, these are unrealistic and unrealistic wishes of the United States

    “That is why they withdraw from any agreements with Russia that would limit the possibilities of their military construction against China. Is it so hard for you to understand?

    since it will be beneficial ONLY to the USA, they cannot offer anything in exchange of an equivalent, no one will go for it

    “That is why the United States broke off the treaty with Russia, because without China's participation in it, it does not make the slightest sense.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 27 December 2021 22: 08
      +1
      And today he does not put Russia in anything at all.

      You are wrong, relations between Russia and China are based primarily on the personal friendship between Putin and Xi, and this is much more reliable than any agreements on paper. Moreover, the military security of Russia and China directly depends on the military security of each of these countries separately. It seems like there is no official military alliance, and joint naval maneuvers and joint strategic aviation patrols have become regular.
    2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 27 December 2021 23: 38
      +1
      China's nuclear arsenal is several times smaller than both Russian and American

      - Yes?? who told you ?! Comrade Xi Jinping ?!

      Everything is in open sources, at worst in Wikipedia, look, China has a little more warheads than France, so an attempt to force China to disarm by the United States is simply ridiculous
    3. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 27 December 2021 23: 57
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      That is why they withdraw from any agreements with Russia that would limit the possibilities of their military construction against China. Is it so hard for you to understand?

      What is military construction? What kind of nonsense? how will the US fight China? Nuclear strike? You said above that the US does not want a nuclear war, and only "bloody and insidious" Putin wants it. Where did the US even get to the bottom of China? Does he owe them something?
  10. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 28 December 2021 00: 23
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    And today he does not put Russia in anything at all.

    You are wrong, relations between Russia and China are based primarily on the personal friendship of Putin and Xi,

    - What are you - quite an infantile youth ?! Are you talking about some kind of "friendship" between two gray-haired and extremely cynical politicians ?! Do you yourself believe in such rubbish?

    and this is much more reliable than any contracts on paper.

    - Do not make me laugh.

    Moreover, the military security of Russia and China directly depends on the military security of each of these countries separately. It seems like there is no official military alliance, and joint naval maneuvers and joint strategic aviation patrols have become regular.

    - Do you seriously consider Russia and China to be equal partners today ?! laughing lol
  11. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 28 December 2021 00: 29
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    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    That is why they withdraw from any agreements with Russia that would limit the possibilities of their military construction against China. Is it so hard for you to understand?

    What is military construction?

    - The most common.

    What kind of nonsense? how will the US fight China? Nuclear strike?

    - You do not in the least doubt the passionate desire of the United States to inflict a nuclear strike on Russia ?! Like, "sleep and see"! From the territory of Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Georgia!

    You said above that the US does not want a nuclear war, and only "bloody and insidious" Putin wants it.

    - Putin does not want her, but he is trying with all his might to convince the Americans that he is ready to start such a war! laughing wink

    Where did the USA get to the bottom of China at all? Does he owe them something?

    - The main enemy number 1. As in the era of the Cold War, the main enemies for each other were the USSR and the United States. If you do not understand these trifles, what are you trying to "argue" about? fool
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 28 December 2021 03: 32
      +1
      Indeed, the adjacent is awful! Tell us, what could have made Russia rudely tear up the treaty it had concluded ?!

      What kind of treaty are we talking about, if after the color revolution organized by the United States, the absolutely illegal and illegitimate government, having seized power, openly outraged the constitution, giving it a bright anti-Russian coloration. Almost immediately the clause on non-aligned status was excluded from it, other laws that infringe on the rights of Russian and Russian-speaking citizens. Again, they did not have any legal authority to do so. They were preparing to break the Kharkov agreements on the basing of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, but did not succeed. The US and European countries wanted to "throw" Putin. At the height of the Maidan, they called him and asked him to influence Yankovic so that he would not use force against the protesters. What Putin did. As a result, "Berkut" was withdrawn, and radicals and Nazis of all stripes, having gained freedom, began to attack police stations and seize weapons. Before that, the foreign ministers of Germany, Poland, France and the Ukrainian opposition signed an agreement with Yanukovych that new presidential elections should be held at the end of the year. Everything seemed to suit everyone, but after they tried to kill Yanukovych, he fled to Russia, and the next day the EU and the United States, instead of supporting the legitimate and legally elected president and holding elections at the end of the year as agreed, wiped themselves out with these agreements with him. and announced that they will now deal with the "acting president" Turchinov. Such a position in Ukraine was not provided for by any legislation. Putin realizing that he and Yanukovych were simply being used, beautifully and elegantly stole the "icing on the cake" from under the nose of the United States - Crimea and the naval base, which the Americans already considered in their pockets.
    2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 28 December 2021 04: 28
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      Do you seriously consider Russia and China to be equal partners today ?! laughing

      In the military sphere, yes, otherwise we are situational allies, no one will "lie down" under anyone and is not going to.

      Putin does not want her, but he is struggling to convince the Americans that he is ready to start such a war!

      And after that you call me an infantile youth? What makes you think that Putin is trying to instill that he can start such a war first? Read the Russian military doctrine, it clearly and clearly states in which case Russia will resort to nuclear weapons, but only frivolous intellectuals like you can have doubts that Putin will use it if necessary.
  12. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 28 December 2021 07: 15
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    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Indeed, the adjacent is awful! Tell us, what could have made Russia rudely tear up the treaty it had concluded ?!

    What kind of treaty are we talking about if, after the color revolution organized by the United States, the absolutely illegal and illegitimate government, having seized power, openly outraged the constitution, giving it a bright anti-Russian flavor.

    - Aha! If tomorrow a coup d'état takes place in Russia and a government comes to power, which the leadership of the United States and NATO considers unacceptable for themselves, can the United States and NATO tear off part of Russian territory? laughing lol Have you ever tried on yourself what you are trying to put on other countries ?! And why exactly Ukraine ?! There are NATO countries: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. From where the flight time to Moscow of any BR is much less! Why not attack them ?! wink

    Almost immediately, the clause on non-aligned status was excluded from it, a law that discriminates against the Russian language and a bunch of other laws that infringe on the rights of Russian and Russian-speaking citizens were adopted.

    - Absolutely the same laws discriminating against the Russian language were adopted in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. The Russian language has no status there.

    Once again, they did not have any legal authority to do this.

    - Who are they?? Citizens of Ukraine have the right to establish in themselves such power as they like! In the same way as the citizens of Russia.

    They were preparing to break the Kharkov agreements on the basing of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, but did not succeed.

    - Did you spy into the keyhole how they "tried to break"?

    The US and European countries wanted to "throw" Putin.

    - What did they promise him and when?

    At the height of the Maidan, they called him and asked him to influence Yankovic so that he would not use force against the protesters. What Putin did. As a result, "Berkut" was withdrawn, and radicals and Nazis of all stripes, having gained freedom, began to attack police stations and seize weapons. Before that, the foreign ministers of Germany, Poland, France and the Ukrainian opposition signed an agreement with Yanukovych that new presidential elections should be held at the end of the year. Everything seemed to suit everyone. But after they tried to kill Yanukovych, he fled to Russia, and the next day the EU and the United States, instead of supporting the legitimate and legally elected president and holding elections at the end of the year as agreed, wiped these agreements with him and said that now will deal with the "acting president" Turchinov. Such a position in Ukraine was not provided for by any legislation. Putin realizing that he and Yanukovych were simply being used, beautifully and elegantly stole the "icing on the cake" from under the nose of the United States - Crimea and the naval base, which the Americans already considered in their pockets.

    - Why did not Putin take away the whole of Novorossia then? Scared? Will he not be scared now? wink Are you sure?
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 28 December 2021 19: 56
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      Aha! If tomorrow a coup d'état takes place in Russia and a government comes to power, which the leadership of the United States and NATO considers unacceptable for themselves, can the United States and NATO tear off part of Russian territory? laughing lol Have you ever tried on yourself what you are trying to put on other countries ?! And why exactly Ukraine ?! There are NATO countries: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. From where the flight time to Moscow of any BR is much less! Why not attack them ?! wink

      In your opinion, Putin is acceptable as president of Russia for the United States and NATO? lol They would be happy to tear something away from Russia, without any revolution, but only the tear-off did not grow and the hands are short

      Who are they?? Citizens of Ukraine have the right to establish in themselves such power as they like! In the same way as the citizens of Russia.

      THEY are the ones whose names were read out on the stage on the Maidan at the so-called "people's veche", from the list compiled by the American embassy, ​​Yatsenyuk is the prime minister, Avakov is the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Turchinov is "acting president." Someone whistled, someone supported. And do you really consider this farce the choice of the people of Ukraine, as it was presented in the Western media? lol At this time, in the South-Eastern regions and in the Crimea, riots began, disagreeing with what was happening in Kiev. But their opinion was of no interest to anyone; the Nazbats who received weapons were thrown to suppress them. I repeat once again, agreements were reached between Yanukovych and the opposition, signed by the foreign ministers of Germany, France and Poland on new presidential elections in a year. If they were observed by these countries, there would be no Crimea and Donbass.

      Did you peep through the keyhole how they "tried to break"?

      This was proposed by the future mayor of Kiev Klitschko and his party. There is not the slightest doubt that the government junta would have done it. The United States was asleep and had already seen its destroyers docked in the bay of Sevastopol.

      The US and European countries wanted to "throw" Putin.

      - What did they promise him and when?

      At their request, Putin influenced Yanukovych so that Berkut would not disperse this Maidan, although they could easily do it.

      And why did not Putin take away the whole of Novorossiya then? Scared? Will he not be scared now? wink Are you sure?

      It all depends on the position of the United States and NATO, Putin did not need New Russia as such, he was not interested in the division or disintegration of Ukraine. Its goal is a non-aligned, at least neutral Ukraine, like Finland, for example. But he also will not allow a fascist hostile state on its border, and even in NATO.
    2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 28 December 2021 22: 10
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      And why exactly Ukraine ?! There are NATO countries: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. From where the flight time to Moscow of any BR is much less! Why not attack them ?! wink

      Undoubtedly, this is no less a threat to Russia and it will also be discussed on the 12th. If the United States decides to supply its missiles both in the Baltics and in Ukraine:

      we can assume, for example, that "something" will appear in Cuba, Venice, Nicaragua
  13. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 28 December 2021 07: 22
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    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Do you seriously consider Russia and China to be equal partners today ?! laughing

    In the military sphere, yes

    - Do not make me laugh! Parity (possible) only in ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads. NOTHING MORE. China is building 500 J-20 stealth aircraft, has already built almost a hundred, and Russia does not have a single one. What is this "parity"? China has three aircraft carriers and new ones are under construction - where is the parity? China will bring the number of nuclear submarines to any conceivable and inconceivable number.

    As for the rest, we are situational allies, no one will "lie down" under anyone and is not going to.

    - That's what you want to think. In fact, the situation is not just dramatic - it is tragic.

    Putin does not want her, but he is struggling to convince the Americans that he is ready to start such a war!

    And after that you call me an infantile youth? What makes you think that Putin is trying to instill that he can start such a war first?

    - With his "ultimatum"! laughing lol

    Read the Russian military doctrine, it clearly and clearly states in which case Russia will resort to nuclear weapons, but only frivolous intellectuals like you can have doubts that Putin will use it if necessary.

    - But the "showdown will show" whether Putin succeeded in his bluff, or failed. On January 12, negotiations and conversations begin - so let's see if the US succumbed to Putin's blackmail, or there will be another "bummer" ... lol
    1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
      Michael1950 (Michael) 28 December 2021 07: 35
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      Closed Briefing of Senior Officials of the US Administration for Russia
      https://www.state.gov/translations/russian/закрытый-брифинг-высокопоставленных
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        1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
          Michael1950 (Michael) 28 December 2021 08: 21
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          https://topcor.ru/23333-zhest-dobroj-voli-rossija-otvela-ot-ukrainy-tysjachi-soldat-pered-sammitom-s-nato.html
          Goodwill gesture: Russia withdrew thousands of soldiers from Ukraine ahead of summit with NATO
          "Sha! Nobody's going anywhere anymore ..." laughing lol
          1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
            Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 28 December 2021 20: 01
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            We can bring you back as well