The creation of a "reserve capital" of the Russian Federation in Siberia may have a military overtones

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The recent proposal of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu "to return to Siberia" and even to move the capital of the country there made a lot of noise. This idea seemed quite attractive to many Russians, but immediately there were those who took it with hostility. The main counterarguments were: there is no need and nothing. We will argue with these statements later, but let's look at this problem from a slightly different angle. What if moving the capital of Russia inland is a matter of its survival?

First, I would like to briefly answer the frenzied critics of Sergei Shoigu's idea, who believe that we have no money for his proposals. Still, you are strange people. When we tell you that Russian money is sent abroad and invested in wrappers of securities of hostile states, you don’t like it, you demand that the money be invested in Russia. When it comes to very specific proposals for the construction of several new cities (!), Designed to become large research and production centers, you do not like that either. The position is generally incomprehensible.



It's profitable


As for the statement that there is allegedly no money for this. Nonsense. Imaginethat along the BAM it was really decided to build several new cities near mining and processing and metallurgical plants as city-forming enterprises, which were planned back in the USSR. Such projects can and should be implemented within the framework of public-private partnerships: basic infrastructure is being built at the expense of the budget, such as networks, roads, nuclear power plants and thermal power plants, hospitals and universities; residential and commercial real estate with accompanying schools, kindergartens and clinics will be built by the capital's developers; industrial enterprises can be created by large businesses if they are given tax breaks and other benefits. With this approach, the scale of budgetary investments will be significantly reduced. Imagine what a powerful impetus for the development of the national economics a similar urban development megaproject can become: how much concrete, brick, concrete goods, metal structures, pipes, wiring, finishing materials, asphalt, construction equipment, furniture and household appliances for happy new settlers, machinery and equipment for new factories, etc.? These are guaranteed orders for the domestic industry for at least half a century ahead. Isn't that the best investment in your own country?

It's a matter of survival


Here the situation is even more interesting.

At first, from the point of view of demography and the problem of depopulation, the cities built along the BAM will simultaneously be large logistics centers on the transit route from Asia to Europe and at the same time centers of "assembly" of the sparsely populated central and eastern parts of our vast country. People won't go to Siberia just like that, but for such a project they will. By the way, many of our compatriots who remained abroad in the CIS countries could move to these new cities. Why not.

Secondly, "Movement to Siberia" is a matter of Russia's national security in a purely military sense. Let us explain our idea.

Elements of the American Aegis missile defense system have already been built in Poland and Romania. It's no secret that they have a dual purpose, and literally within a day, anti-missiles in universal launchers can be replaced with Tomahawk strike missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. After that, the entire western part of Russia up to the Urals is in the zone of destruction of the "American axes". This is an absolutely real threat.
The danger is posed by the US plans to deploy its medium-range missiles in Eastern Europe, which is even worse, IRBMs may eventually appear even in Ukraine. The flight time of a nuclear missile from somewhere near Kharkov or Zaporozhye to Moscow and St. Petersburg will be only a few minutes. For our country, this is a colossal threat, since one preventive missile strike can completely decapitate everything. political and the military leadership, and with it the key defense-related enterprises of the military-industrial complex were destroyed.

In this context, the idea of ​​transferring the capital somewhere to Siberia, away from the radius of destruction of American missiles, gets a completely different sound. This is no longer just a pre-election whim or "manilovism", it is a question of the country's physical survival and its preservation of its sovereignty. For example, in the USA this problem is solved as follows. The functions of political administration were transferred to Washington, and New York turned into just a giant metropolis and the largest financial center in the world. At the same time, since the time of President Eisenhower, the Americans have had a so-called "shadow cabinet". This is a "reserve government", which must quickly take over control of the country in the event of a preemptive ICBM strike and the death of the entire political elite. In our country, all the key administrative structures are concentrated in Moscow, and in the event of the death of the first persons of the state from a nuclear strike “without declaring war,” a huge country will be split into fragments and easily defeated.

Let's be realistic. It is, of course, impractical to completely transfer the capital from Moscow to Siberia. However, for example, something like a "reserve capital" can be made from Novosibirsk by duplicating the main elements of the country's governing system, and all this can be done under the auspices of the RF Ministry of Defense. It also seems reasonable to transfer key enterprises of the military-industrial complex from the western part of Russia to the central, to new Siberian cities, so that their destruction by a missile strike does not mean an instant collapse of our entire defense industry. Is it worth recalling what a problem for the USSR was the hasty transfer of factories to the Urals in the early years of the Great Patriotic War? Now the challenges are different, the danger is not tank wedges, but the RSD, therefore it is necessary to rebuild the economy and the military-industrial complex in accordance with the new missile threats from Eastern Europe.
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  1. +12
    9 August 2021 12: 38
    As the Earth's magnetic poles continue to drift, the climate in Siberia will soften, with not-so-Siberian frosts.
    So, Sergei Kuzhugetovich looks promising, decades (or even centuries) ahead! good
    Well done-statesman thinking man!
    1. +2
      10 August 2021 10: 51
      how many time zones does Russia occupy? when Vladivostok wakes up, Moscow goes to bed. they talked about moving the capital to the center before. it is convenient in terms of managing the country and doing business. Now is not the "golden age" of Catherine, when in Siberia only dogs were cut into skins. the first "swallows" are already there - all sorts of economic forums in Krasnoyarsk. and the climate has nothing to do with it. mosquitoes and swamps did not interfere with having a capital in St. Petersburg. however, from the removal of the capital from the Ukrainians in Krasnodar and Rostov, salaries will collapse. regional coefficients will change. will have to look for a place in the sun among the Volga Germans, Tatars, Kazakhs and Mordovians laughing
  2. +8
    9 August 2021 13: 14
    Only bureaucrats sitting in the capital can be against such a transfer.
    1. -1
      11 August 2021 14: 48
      and just reasonable people
    2. -1
      11 August 2021 17: 19
      Yeah, let his daughters live there, and grandchildren, to study in the local sharaga
  3. +2
    9 August 2021 13: 52
    As for the statement that there is allegedly no money for this. Nonsense.

    A similar topic was already raised in 2017, there was a publication on realnoevremya.ru

    the initiator of the idea of ​​transferring the capital, Yuri Krupnov, summoned Sobyanin to debate, leaving a corresponding comment on the post of mayor. Sobyanin responded with another publication: “With all due respect to Yuri Vasilyevich, to debate about fake ideas is a waste of time. One might just as well debate the question "is there life on Mars."

    And in the same post:

    First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on State Construction and Legislation, Mikhail Yemelyanov, noted that from a theoretical point of view, the initiative is interesting and worthy of substantive consideration. "But from a practical point of view, it is almost impossible to move the capital now due to the fact that certain costs are needed"

    A year after that discussion, the pension reform was launched, citing a lack of money in the budget, and in February 2021

    Anatoly Aksakov, the head of the State Duma Committee on the Financial Market, was surprised at the "secret" stamp on the bill on a voluntary funded pension system and suggested that this was due to the need to first coordinate the document internally. The Ministry of Finance plans to submit to the government of the Russian Federation by December 15 a bill on a new voluntary funded pension system, follows from the ministry's draft law detail plan for 2021.
    And while it is being developed under the heading "secret"

    https://ria.ru/20210218/pensii-1598042156.html
    Well, that is, once it is "voluntary", it means that there is no money again (and it was not just for the transfer of the capital, and not for the construction of new cities), but the author convinces us of their availability request
  4. -3
    9 August 2021 16: 12
    The recent proposal of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu "to return to Siberia"

    How tired this topic is. Let's get back to it after the elections, if you think Shoigu is the most, the most. Except how to steal, the current government is not trained in anything else! And you say to build cities. If they will build it together with China, the USA, the EU, etc.

    "Trillions of rubles have been wasted." The investments of the Russian authorities in innovation were recognized as useless, Nikolai Arefiev, deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship, commented on the work of development institutions.
    Government spending on innovative development institutions in the period from 2006 to 2020 amounted to more than 965 billion rubles, Vedomosti reported, citing data from the Russian Treasury.

    https://secretmag.ru/news/trilliony-rublei-potratili-vpustuyu-vlozheniya-rossiiskikh-vlastei-v-innovacii-priznali-bespoleznymi.htm?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr
    Build cities? So this is not his profile!
  5. -1
    9 August 2021 16: 52
    Quote: Bulanov
    Only bureaucrats sitting in the capital can be against such a transfer.

    Yes figs with them, with these bureaucrats! Let them sit in Moscow, there will be fewer new majors in Siberia.
  6. 0
    9 August 2021 19: 27
    to the capital of Birobidzhan!
  7. 0
    9 August 2021 19: 54
    Why only Siberia? And the Far East? No gu-gu about him ... The correct idea about the development of the eastern part of the country. In these regions, it is necessary to build new cities, factories, factories, develop agriculture, create conditions for young people to move there for permanent residence. And they are: immediately a free apartment with the number of rooms equal to the number of family members plus one, guaranteed jobs with high wages, good lifting for each family member, guarantees for the placement of children in kindergartens and schools, excellent infrastructure. Then young people will definitely go to explore new spaces. I fully support the transfer of the capital to Siberia. Somewhere in the Baikal region in a completely new place. Separately build the financial center of the country and transfer all large corporations to it.
    1. -9
      10 August 2021 22: 01
      ... build, develop, create, drive, support, build, translate ...

      Grandpa, go sleep it off, you drank too much.
  8. -2
    9 August 2021 21: 55
    Well, it is clear - for Marzhetsky it is better to transfer the capital to Chelyabinsk. wink
  9. +1
    9 August 2021 22: 02
    Give two, reserve capitals. laughing
    There will be three in total, and let the adversary guess in which thimble the nut is. Another reserve government should be appointed and, naturally, everyone should be provided with a "reserve" housing stock and other infrastructure. good
  10. -6
    9 August 2021 23: 36
    An empty topic, except for pre-election PR for nothing.
  11. +6
    10 August 2021 02: 13
    What Shoigu laconically voiced and Marzhetsky very reasonably explains is just a part
    plan for the necessary strategic development of Russia.
    For the security of Russia, inside the country, reserve industrial centers are also needed,
    and scientific and technical centers of the 21st century, equally distant from both Europe and China.
    And it is not possible, in the event of a catastrophe, global accident or war, to rule the country
    from the plane. Somewhere in the country there should be "emergency" centers for control,
    And since the strategic security of our country depends on this, the money will be found.
    1. -7
      10 August 2021 12: 07
      - money will be found.

      In the pockets of citizens, but not in the pockets of Putin's cronies. They drove money to the west, and they will.
      Let them learn to keep what we have, and not build castles in the air.
  12. +3
    10 August 2021 04: 15
    It is necessary to build up the air defense. There is no other way to hide from the warheads, and the NSO will get it if they are not shot down. And if you think about it, then Kozhugetovich had to say that after the response leaves, any war will end, there will simply be nothing to fight and there is no need to fight.
    1. +6
      10 August 2021 12: 24
      The same Novosibirsk is practically in the center of the country. To protect it, it is easier to make a layered missile defense system.
      The logic, I think, may be this: if there is a chance to destroy Moscow as the center of decision-making, and with it the military-industrial complex enterprises, with one blow, then such a temptation leads to bad thoughts.
      If there is some kind of "reserve capital", the presence of which guarantees the absence of victory in the destruction of Moscow by a preemptive strike, as well as the presence of defense plants in the depths of the country under the protection of air defense, then this is another argument in favor of not even thinking about anything so bad.
  13. +1
    10 August 2021 11: 37
    Back in the XNUMXs, E. Limonov voiced the idea to move the capital of Omsk.
  14. -1
    10 August 2021 12: 22
    Quote: Igor Pavlovich
    Well, it is clear - for Marzhetsky it is better to transfer the capital to Chelyabinsk. wink

    God forbid. smile There was still not enough, and so not to pass in the morning.
    By the way, when did Chelyabinsk manage to become part of Siberia or the Far East?
  15. -3
    10 August 2021 12: 29
    Quote: DigitalError
    A similar topic was already raised in 2017, there was a publication on realnoevremya.ru

    the initiator of the idea of ​​transferring the capital, Yuri Krupnov, summoned Sobyanin to debate, leaving a corresponding comment on the post of mayor. Sobyanin responded with another publication: “With all due respect to Yuri Vasilyevich, to debate about fake ideas is a waste of time. One might just as well debate the question "is there life on Mars."

    It's just that Mr. Sobyanin sincerely wants to pull federal money for the development of Moscow on his own. Found someone to listen to, damn it. In figs, the regions surrendered to him.
  16. +5
    10 August 2021 15: 28
    Russia needs winds of change, and one of them has been in the air for about 10 years, but not only with the transfer of one capital to Siberia, but with the construction of nine megalopolises throughout Siberia and the Far East, where in our bowels the incalculable riches of the entire periodic table are stored + oil and gas-bearing regions to the very Nakhodka, and this is to the envy of our enemies from the EuroUSA .... Yes, Sergei Kozhugetovich is now the person that Russia simply needs for its economic, political and social recovery, because he coped with the army perfectly, and the people will fully support him, like Belousov, only there are very few such people in our government, it was flooded with a liberal ... ny, which now rules the ball, dooming the country and its people to extinction. all sorts of athletes, singers, artists and other swindlers, and recruit there people of business who with all their soul and heart loyally root for Mother Russia, and not for their "green", stolen from the people, in the banks of London and Paris but. And what you and Belousov have conceived is tens of thousands of jobs, the construction of city-forming industrial enterprises and infrastructure for them, with housing, schools, kindergartens, and other joys of our former Soviet life, and such as Siluanovs, Kudrins, etc. Naibulins of Russia are not good will give.
    1. -3
      10 August 2021 22: 14
      Quote: Valentine
      Russia needs winds of change, and one of them has been in the air for about 10 years

      Are you referring to the 2012 protests?
      1. 0
        11 August 2021 10: 22
        Yes, what have any protests to do with it, it's just that the authorities must have worthy and wise people so that people believe them, and we have a dime a dozen smart, that's why our country is still in full priest since 1985, but little by little it starts to crawl out , but at such a pace we will fall apart faster than gather in a heap., and we had enough protests both in 1917 and in 1991, when at first the most powerful Russian Empire was destroyed, and then the Soviet Union.
  17. 0
    10 August 2021 16: 24
    RSD may eventually appear even in Ukraine. The flight time of a nuclear missile from somewhere near Kharkov or Zaporozhye to Moscow and St. Petersburg will be only a few minutes.

    That is, they have already agreed with NATO missiles near Kharkov. The Kremlin will just as easily agree to NATO missiles in Central Asia, Kazakhstan and Mongolia.
    They have a place to run. Each has a home in Nice, Miami, etc.
    Where are we going? To New Earth?
    1. +2
      10 August 2021 18: 02
      Yes, Teacher, the Kremlin is no longer counting on a pro-Russian coup in Ukraine.
      THEY were basically not ready - how easily the West would take Ukraine for itself.
      There are no Analytical Centers in Russia that calculate the consequences -
      what is the danger for Russia if the country is surrounded by hostile,
      not friendly peoples and governments.
      But in my opinion, THEY understood something and woke up.
      Further loss of "friends" - it will be an enumeration of THEIR miscalculations and mistakes.
      1. +1
        11 August 2021 14: 08
        How stupid and helpless it is - they understood and woke up!
      2. +1
        11 August 2021 15: 08
        No Think Tanks? Where are their heads, and what is the substance in them? And the people entrust their lives and future to these inept people? Shame and disgrace!!!
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    3. +2
      11 August 2021 07: 19
      Quote: Teacher
      RSD may eventually appear even in Ukraine. The flight time of a nuclear missile from somewhere near Kharkov or Zaporozhye to Moscow and St. Petersburg will be only a few minutes.

      That is, they have already agreed with NATO missiles near Kharkov. The Kremlin will just as easily agree to NATO missiles in Central Asia, Kazakhstan and Mongolia.
      They have a place to run. Each has a home in Nice, Miami, etc.
      Where are we going? To New Earth?

      We have already talked about this many times. The issue with Ukraine must be tough and radical.
  18. 0
    10 August 2021 20: 00
    Moving the capital beyond the Urals is nonsense. What kind of Ural is this Asia. Your capital in Asia will definitely tell us, so join the "League of Asia" you are no longer Europe and will be thrown out of all European structures. Do you need it? As for nuclear missiles, Russia is to blame for the fact that today Ukraine officially asked to deploy missiles on its territory. After all, they told Putin in 2014, if a fight is not avoidance, hit him first. (It was necessary to destroy the Bandera regime in the bud) And now we got what we got. From the territory of Ukraine, American bombers imitate strikes against Russia. The British are building four military bases. But the bases need to be guarded by air defense. This means that according to the US plans, there will be missiles ... Instead of answering this harshly, they gave the floor to the Minister of Defense…. Which issued a desire to move the capital beyond the Urals. That is, Russia is preparing to surrender Ukraine completely.
    1. +2
      11 August 2021 07: 44
      Moving the capital beyond the Urals is nonsense. What kind of Ural is this Asia. Your capital in Asia will definitely tell us, so join the "League of Asia" you are no longer Europe and will be kicked out of all European structures. Do you need it?

      But you never know who will say what, in fact. Russia is Eurasia.

      As for nuclear missiles, Russia is to blame for the fact that today Ukraine officially asked to deploy missiles on its territory. After all, they told Putin in 2014, if a fight is not avoidance, hit him first. (It was necessary to destroy the Bandera regime in the bud) And now we got what we got. From the territory of Ukraine, American bombers imitate strikes against Russia. The British are building four military bases. But the bases need to be guarded by air defense. This means that according to the plans of the United States, there will certainly be missiles…. Instead of answering this harshly, they gave the floor to the Minister of Defense…. Which issued a desire to move the capital beyond the Urals. That is, Russia is preparing to surrender Ukraine completely.

      But this, yes. The consequences of the surrender of Ukraine to Putin's Americans in 2014 will have to unravel for decades
      1. +1
        12 August 2021 10: 47
        Unfortunately THIS continues.
        It seems to me that I finally understood Putin. He's a lawyer. The primacy of rights was put into his head, and he sincerely believes in him. This probably shaped him as a person.
        I think there are no missed opportunities for him that lie outside the boundaries of international law. War, however, in order to abolish the effect of law, itself must become a legal fact.
        This position is convenient because simplifies decision making and allows you to avoid risks.
        Putin is a loner. All the more for him the burden of responsibility for the country. He may be a genius, but he is not immune from mistakes. And there is no one to fix it.
        However, everything may end up with the fact that we will still have to violate international law, but already in extremely unfavorable and risky conditions for the country.
        Much has already been missed
  19. -3
    11 August 2021 01: 52
    The Kremlin elite decided to equip itself a bunker for the people's money, to serve the 3rd world war ... and the people, fuck it !!!
  20. +2
    11 August 2021 13: 01
    I was convinced. Indeed, it has been said.
    Moreover, in the Duma, the United Russia has already rushed to support THIS.
    I suddenly imagined myself. as in reality:
    Shoigu, together with Putin, rub some sacred object and order several cities in Siberia for the gin that has appeared, moving the capital there, along with all the infrastructure, away from the now dangerous borders. The genie's question about the timing is usually answered - Yesterday!
    Satisfied views of the country's leadership track the movement of city circles, road network lines and communications to a safe zone on the map.
    Gene has to sweat. He needs to move in reality all material objects, the entire ramified network of cities and roads, together with underground communications, as well as people with their habits, views and interests. However, by the evening everything has already been moved.
    By order of the management, the budget accounts did not increase by a single kopeck.
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
    It is hard, very hard to part with illusions.
    However, despite the agony, it is helpful.
    So, Crimea was not the beginning of the counteroffensive, but its end.
    Apparently, the authorities are planning to continue the retreat. Now - inland.
    It seems that the released resource of the country's safety factor is planned to be put to the wind.
    For some more time of life in a soft and warm, stable world.
    The Soviet Union, at one time, did not find an opportunity to even touch this resource.
    Instead, with the Cuban Missile Crisis, he forced the terrified Americans to remove the missiles.
    Removed, how cute. Dot.
    Why is there absolutely no strategic planning in the country's leadership?
    How is that possible?
    Is the issue of missiles at the borders really a problem now?
    These cities, even if they can be built and revived, should have been built long ago!
    Why was there Syria when it was necessary to deal with Ukraine?
    On this, my credit of confidence in the EP, unfortunately, is completely exhausted.
    Elections are ahead. I will look for a party that will defend Russia.
  21. +1
    12 August 2021 16: 28
    a good idea ... it is not necessary to build new cities, there are enough cities in Siberia, they must be brought into a divine form ... and the capital must be moved to Novosibirsk .. or Krasnoyarsk ..
    1. +2
      12 August 2021 18: 42
      It would be a good idea. If it had not been for her task to ensure our further retreat.
      Are you sure that by the time we move our capital, NATO missiles will not be on the border of Kazakhstan or Mongolia?
      Retreat, as a disease. The neighbors will cease (or maybe they are already ceasing?) To take us seriously, and the Americans will immediately get in on them. Calculate the distance to selected cities from the borders of neighboring states.
      So you will rush around Russia with the capital, like a peasant with a written sack?
      Retreating is easy. It's hard to stop.
      There is one remedy here. The same one from 1962. It is necessary to stop the enemy. Fight off his appetite.
      Otherwise, why do we need our wonderful Vanguards and Zircons?
      1. +1
        12 August 2021 22: 16
        Alexey, how can the Russian authorities respond to the deployment of US missiles in Ukraine?
        Hosting anything in Venezuela? in Cuba? in Nicaragua?
        But all the "regimes" in the South. America is extremely unstable and unreliable.
        And the construction of Russian bases THERE is extremely risky.
        This is what our strategic enemies are counting on - that "Russia will have nothing to answer."
        1. +2
          12 August 2021 22: 52
          Do you know the old saying?

          Those who want to do are looking for opportunities, and those who do not want excuses.

          We already have everything.
          It is necessary to present an ultimatum and fire a warning shot at the test site on Novaya Zemlya with nuclear weapons (analogous to Operation Anadyr in 1962, combined with Operation Tulip). As an option - if it does not work - the same, but on a landfill in Nevada, or on an uninhabited island in the Mediterranean Sea.
          To implement the threat, the standard weapons of our triad are enough.
          This is the threat of a nuclear strike at the decision-making centers and at the places of residence of members of the world government (if any). And no bluff. Actually. Everything is already very serious.
          We are in a "funnel", and it is more and more difficult for us to break out of it.
        2. 0
          12 August 2021 23: 18
          In our case, the saying goes like this: The one who wants to be saved is looking for opportunities, and the one who does not want - an excuse.
  22. 0
    14 August 2021 11: 19
    The spare capital is to Salekhard! The Talibans won't go there - it's cold!
  23. +1
    14 August 2021 21: 33
    The global mistake of our "balanced" policy towards the West is that, in responding to their challenges, we always try to minimize the response. This has a side effect that we do not take into account at all.
    By doing this, we unwittingly keep the object of our claims right in front of the West. We, as it were, say to him: Here he is, close, you just have to put the squeeze on just a little and that's it! At the same time, we ourselves foolishly hope that the West will finally come to its senses.
    If we analyze the success of our operations Anadyr and Tulip in 1962 in this vein, then everything was completely different there. With the operation of nuclear deterrence, we have completely discouraged the United States from both appetite and hope. For a long 60 years.
    When the stakes are so high, half-measures don't work.
  24. -1
    16 August 2021 18: 17
    Moscow and the Kremlin, this is Russia itself. RF is a multitude of peoples, cultures and religions. All this unites the center - Moscow, gives this space a frame. The importance of Moscow can hardly be overestimated. When the capital is moved, two poles will appear, which may negatively affect the consolidation of the state. Creating big cities in Siberia is a great idea. But the attractiveness of the move should be tangible, maybe five-room apartments for everyone, cars, infrastructure. And more foreigners from Western Europe and from all over the world who want to participate in the project of the future, open city... The city does not pay taxes to the federal budget. It has its own city council, its own elections and partially its own legislation. Then people can reach out