What is behind the ideas to build new cities in Siberia

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Sergei Shoigu's recent statement about the need to build 3 to 5 new large cities in Siberia makes us pay close attention. All the same, says the current Minister of Defense, who in the past two decades headed the Ministry of Emergency Situations. Let's face it, not the last person in the country, and he dreams of "re-development of Siberia." What is behind this proposal, and should we wish Sergei Kuzhugetovich its execution?

Costs. Surprisingly, for some reason, it is the head of the defense department who demonstrates a more statist approach to the economythan all the so-called "systemic liberals" in government put together. Russia is a gigantic country, the largest in the world in terms of area, but, alas, only a smaller part of it is well developed and suitable for normal living and economic activity. Most of the population lives in its central and western parts, and in Siberia or the Far East, you can walk through the forest for weeks and not meet anyone except a hungry bear, or even a tiger. At the same time, it is in the eastern part of Russia that gigantic reserves of natural resources are concentrated, which haunt our "foreign partners".



In the Soviet period, they tried to solve this problem through the large-scale construction of transport infrastructure, the Trans-Siberian and Baikal-Amur highways, which were supposed to connect Central Russia with Siberia and the Far East, providing a reliable outlet to the Pacific Ocean. The authorities tried to attract personnel for the development of new spaces in various ways: from increased salaries to the use of voluntary-compulsory methods. After the collapse of the USSR, the situation, unfortunately, rapidly degraded. There was a tension with jobs, infrastructure in small towns and cities began to fall apart. The able-bodied population took suitcases in their hands and began to move to the west, to large cities, where the situation was better. It so happened that in large agglomerations there is more work and a higher overall standard of living. And these centrifugal processes, which have been going on for three decades, pose a real threat to the integrity of our country in the future. Across the border there, in the Far East, is overpopulated China with its 1,5 billion people. Lately, it has become fashionable in the media and the blogosphere to play down this potential threat, but overall it is a very unwise and shortsighted approach. It should be noted that the need to "return to Siberia" is being spoken about not by someone, but by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, and this is not the first time, and the scale of the project is growing all the time. In 2019, Sergey Kuzhugetovich spoke about plans for 1-2 new cities:

Remember how sincerely people went to all these construction sites! I really want to return to Siberia and build there one, or better yet, two more cities! And I believe that my dream will come true.

In the summer of 2021, Shoigu already speaks 3-5 cities:

We need <...> to build three, and preferably five, large centers of scientific and industrial, economic centers, in other words, cities with a population of 300-000, better - up to a million people.

Let's try to imagine what exactly we are talking about. The minister immediately made a reservation that there was no talk at all about any "transfer of the capital to Siberia", and this is a good sign, since otherwise the idea would have looked like empty projection. But from his previous statements, one can roughly understand what he means. Sergei Shoigu three years ago spoke about projects like the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP, the Baikal-Amur Mainline (BAM) and Komsomolsk-on-Amur as "anchor" projects. So, we already have some starting points.

Currently, Russia is in the process of modernizing and expanding the capacity of two strategically important railways - the Trans-Siberian and Baikal-Amur (BAM). Under the current economic model, these two overland transport arteries are needed to solve two main tasks: the transit of Chinese goods from Asia to Europe, and also for the export of natural resources to the Celestial Empire. But the words of Sergei Kuzhugetovich make us look at these infrastructure projects in a somewhat new way. The head of the defense department speaks of the new cities in Siberia precisely as large economic, scientific and production centers and makes a reference to the unrealized plans of the Soviet leadership. And this is quite interesting.

Let us remember that the BAM was planned at one time not only as a backup route in case the Transsib was blocked by the Chinese or Japanese, but also as an integral part of a comprehensive project for the development of natural resources in Siberia and the Far East. Along the entire length of the Baikal-Amur Mainline, it was planned to build from 9 to 11 large territorial-industrial complexes. They were supposed to become the "ridge" for the development of a sparsely populated, but rich in natural resources territory. Of these, only the South Yakutsk coal basin has been realized. Oleg Deripaska's Basic Element and Alisher Usmanov's Metalloinvest tried to do something in our time.

So, 3-5 new cities with a population of 300000 to 1000000 inhabitants, and where could they arise? Logic dictates that it is not in the taiga thicket, but somewhere along the railway line not far from promising fields. On their basis, mining and processing and metallurgical plants can be created, which will become city-forming enterprises, around which new settlements will grow. I am very glad that the Minister of Defense is not talking so much about the extraction of natural resources as about scientific and production activities, having mentioned Komsomolsk-on-Amur. There are, for example, the Sukhoi company and the Irkut corporation, as well as Dalenergomash JSC and the Amur shipbuilding company. Such a pleasant allusion to the reindustrialization of Russia. Small satellite towns, cottage settlements, agricultural enterprises that will have to feed them will inevitably appear near large cities.

With reasonable urban planning policyWhen all the needs of the local population for work, rest and self-realization are taken into account, a "necklace" of 3-5 new large cities along the BAM line can become a new stage in the development of Siberia and the Far East and strengthening the position of our country there.
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  1. 0
    6 August 2021 12: 29
    Kuzhugetovich, it seems, is more a statesman than a guarantor!

    But the emphasis must be placed on the development of high technologies, and not on the export of mineral raw materials in horrendous amounts!
  2. +3
    6 August 2021 13: 19
    and in Siberia or the Far East, you can walk through the forest for weeks and not meet anyone except a hungry bear, or even a tiger.

    In Northern Canada and Northern China, you can also walk for weeks and not meet anyone but animals. And even more so in Greenland. Nevertheless, Trump really wanted to buy Greenland.
    It is necessary to build, but immediately focus on the fact that these are not monotowns.
    1. +1
      6 August 2021 13: 32
      He needed Greenland to increase the share of the Arctic pie. And as for single-industry towns - everything seems to be described above, that he was talking about "research and production" centers.
  3. +4
    6 August 2021 13: 47
    Everything returns to normal. Towards a reasonable urban planning policy of the times of the USSR.
    At that time, housing construction was linked to the construction of new enterprises. So that people do not drag themselves to work far away.
    In Kaluga, older people still remember that these houses were built by a turbine plant, and those by a vacuum tube, etc.
    And judging by the fact that Shoigu spoke about this, the enterprises will be defense and high-tech.
    The collaborationist economic policy of our liberal "ilitek" itself is pushing the country onto the path of development, first of all, of state (largely defense) programs.
  4. +5
    6 August 2021 13: 56
    To tell the truth, the only thing that personally awakens in me nostalgia for Soviet times is the then development of the boundless expanses of Russia. Now, in this regard, there is complete silence, everyone is striving only to increase the turnover and throughput of the tracks, which were once built at the cost of incredible efforts. And Shoigu started talking about things that I thought I would never hear. But is our state capable of doing this now?
    Even relying on Putin's unshakable authority?
    Something the worm of doubt does not set up especially optimistic expectations. First of all, how to attract hundreds of thousands of people to newly built cities, and where do they come from with the current demography? Second: with the current scale of embezzlement of budgetary funds, such an event will turn into a bottomless barrel, where officials of all stripes and others like them will fill their pockets. In a word, questions arise ...
    1. +6
      6 August 2021 20: 09
      "In a word, questions arise ...". The answers are simple - elections to the State Duma will be held in the fall ...
  5. -2
    6 August 2021 15: 04
    Elections on the nose.

    What is behind the ideas to build new cities in Siberia

    In 2019, Sergey Kuzhugetovich spoke about plans for 1-2 new cities: ...... I really want to return to Siberia and build one, or better yet, two more cities!

    PR-Wishlist ?, What steps have been taken for implementation?

    In the summer of 2021, Shoigu already speaks 3-5 cities:

    Wishlist are growing, is there something about the steps for implementation?

    But what to do with the old cities .....- not a word. Where is the money, what will people do, is there a logistics business plan ?? - not a word.
    How much does it cost to build an apartment building, there in Siberia, and move in? provide work, kindergartens, schools? - not a word.

    China has already built ghost towns somewhere in the wrong place, now the Internet pleases with pictures ...

    ....... but you hold on.
    1. +3
      6 August 2021 22: 40
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      is there something about the implementation steps?

      If you are talking about the pre-election national projects of the 2018 model, then their implementation was quietly pushed back last year from 2024 to 2035 (is Solntselikiy's deadline related to "zeroing"?), And the number and funding have been reduced.
  6. 0
    6 August 2021 15: 29
    Shoigu is the same balabol as the boss. If he were a statesman, he would have had his "galoshes" long ago, and not cut them on Soviet ones! Or does he have little power and money to build and implement his own? As young women as generals to put it quickly, but to build and implement something for this is not enough.
    On the other hand, it is high time for all Russians who wish to be withdrawn from all the republics. And let them themselves, all by themselves. Only about this no one even stutters. The elections will be held and everything will be forgotten.
    1. +2
      6 August 2021 18: 08
      Quote: steel maker
      Shoigu is the same balabol

      You are right, judge by yourself.
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 18: 30
        I will always answer for my words. If I cannot do something, I will not speak. Now give an example of how Shoigu is responsible for his words? Shoigu did nothing at his post !!! He simply did not begin to ruin and level what was left to the ground. He did not restore those schools that Serdyukov closed. He simply left what was left, began to pay salaries, allocated money for the modernization of Soviet "galoshes". Is it his profile to build cities? If not, then why bash!
        1. -1
          7 August 2021 16: 20
          Of course you answer. Everything has its time.
  7. +3
    6 August 2021 15: 36
    Quote: steel maker
    Shoigu is the same balabol as the boss. If he were a statesman, he would have had his "galoshes" long ago, and not cut them on Soviet ones! Or does he have little power and money to build and implement his own?

    Shoigu is one of the few state officials about whom one can undoubtedly say that he has brought a lot of benefits to the country. He created the Ministry of Emergency Situations from scratch, how many people has this ministry already saved and how many more will he save?
    To make his galoshes is still not his profile, let's be fair.
    1. -1
      6 August 2021 17: 40
      He created the Ministry of Emergency Situations from scratch,

      Well, if he created, then who destroyed it?

      How many people have already been saved by this ministry and how many more will it save?

      If it hadn't been destroyed, maybe you didn't have to save? How many rangers were dismissed, how many observation stations were closed, etc.? What did he do at the post of the Ministry of Emergencies to prevent these tragedies from happening? He was silent when all these services were destroyed!

      Making his galoshes is still not his profile

      That is, having a lot of money, both in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and in the Ministry of Defense, do you consider having your "galoshes" not his profile? Well, but he cannot demand and achieve the same in his profile? This is how they run us. Everyone wants to occupy high positions, have unlimited power, big salaries. And how to answer, it is not according to the profile!
      1. -1
        7 August 2021 07: 21
        He created the Ministry of Emergency Situations from scratch,

        Well, if he created, then who destroyed it?

        Nobody broke up the Ministry of Emergency Situations. This is the most efficient ministry in Russia.

        If it hadn't been destroyed, maybe you didn't have to save? How many rangers were dismissed, how many observation stations were closed, etc.?

        The gamekeepers were dismissed from the Forest Guard as part of the adoption of the new 2007 Forest Code. I write about this all the time. But he did not accept Shoigu in general, and the Forestry Protection was not in his department.
        1. -1
          7 August 2021 21: 25
          Pestalozzi slammed the Forest Code:

          We are on the mountain to all bourgeois
          A world fire will blow up,
          World fire in the blood -
          God bless!
    2. +2
      6 August 2021 21: 33
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      let's be fair

      Let's. Shoigu is number 1 of the federal part of the list of "United Russia" in the elections to the State Duma. I have one question - how will people be driven to the new "garden-cities"? With Mayakovsky they voluntarily went - for the idea. There was an ideology, you know. Who will provide them with work with a payment above the "market"? Although there is one way - to declare all those who voted for candidates from the Yabloko party as enemies of the people and to exile them to Siberia wink
      It's sad when time is wasted on outright populism. It seems that Edro proposed to introduce responsibility for unfulfilled pre-election promises (which is understandable - money for the implementation of promises - who will allocate? Yes ) - so then ask him.
  8. -2
    6 August 2021 18: 28
    In 2012, Shoigu said the same thing, so what? Who prevented the construction of at least one city during this time, not for a million, but for at least 100 thousand people?
    1. +1
      7 August 2021 07: 24
      A counter question: in whose competence is the construction of a new city from scratch? Ministry of Emergency Situations? Ministry of Defense? Or the government of the Russian Federation?
      And after that, the second question: has the economic and geopolitical situation changed by 2021 compared to 2012?
  9. +5
    6 August 2021 18: 54
    The density of the population of the Trans-Ural territories does not ensure their belonging to the Russian Federation - explicit and hidden migration from neighboring states can radically change the ethnic composition of the population and, along with it, the ownership of the territory.
    The need for resources and their development requires manpower, which today has to be imported from the "continent", and this is costly economically and politically unpromising.
    Building cities solves both problems and stimulates the economy, but it requires a lot of long-term investment, and that's the whole problem.
  10. -1
    6 August 2021 19: 02
    Well done, so well done. Respect and respect! Enough already on the territory of neighbors to look and capture! Its full of undeveloped, albeit in Siberia, and not in the south!
  11. +1
    6 August 2021 21: 44
    Sergei Shoigu's statement on the need to build 3 to 5 new large cities in Siberia

    Trying on the portfolio of the Minister of Construction? Interestingly, does the Minister of Construction have his own special forces? If not, it will appear. good
    5 new cities of one million people, in Siberia. Das ist fantastish! Who can handle that kind of money? Komsomol members, volunteers, construction brigades or construction battalion special forces?
    1. -1
      7 August 2021 10: 26
      Komsomol members, volunteers, construction brigades or special forces construction battalion?

      Chinese! For their friends, they probably try.
  12. +1
    6 August 2021 22: 02
    Personally, I recall with pleasure the construction brigade 1973
    And how many of them were there later in the Union.
  13. +1
    6 August 2021 22: 31
    it is necessary - it is not necessary! Where is the money, Zin ?!
    1. +1
      7 August 2021 21: 21
      Money is born in the printing press.
      1. 0
        7 August 2021 22: 41
        will not go - what is permissible for Jupiter is not permissible for a bull!
  14. -1
    6 August 2021 22: 37
    It is sad, very sad: the Minister of Defense expresses ideas that currently look like an outright utopia and smack of manilovism.
    Where did the money come from? How many trillions do you need and where to get them?
    It's impossible to build cities from scratch. There will be no one to live in them, because people will not go where there is no work.
    If you build, then you need to build production (what?), And create infrastructure around it (schools, kindergartens, hospitals, transport, etc.).
    The state does not have a lot of money; private business will never go for such adventures.
    And only chatter remains in the pure remnant.
    1. -1
      7 August 2021 07: 15
      Quote: Captain Stoner
      Where did the money come from? How many trillions do you need and where to get them?
      It's impossible to build cities from scratch. There will be no one to live in them, because people will not go where there is no work.
      If you build, then you need to build production (what?), And create infrastructure around it (schools, kindergartens, hospitals, transport, etc.).
      The state does not have a lot of money; private business will never go for such adventures.
      And only chatter remains in the pure remnant.

      They seem to have explained to you in Russian how an urban planning policy can and should be formed, where and how jobs should be formed in Siberia.
      Such projects are possible in the form of public-private partnerships. The budget builds the basic infrastructure, private developers - residential and commercial real estate, deposits, etc. given to the business on a concession basis. You can reduce the cost by opening brick, concrete goods, cement plants near the construction site.
      And in general, such a megaproject is a powerful impetus for the development of growing. economy: building materials, metal structures, pipes, wires, finishing materials, construction equipment, asphalt, household appliances in apartments, etc. These are orders from the industry for decades to come.
      You are writing nonsense, Mr. Stoner.
      1. -4
        7 August 2021 09: 43
        how urban planning policy can and should be formed, where and how jobs should be formed in Siberia.

        I think it is only in Russia that a civil engineer serves as the Minister of Defense and speaks out on issues of urban planning policy.
        And a certain half-journalist-half-history is trying to explain these nonsense of an engineer-half-minister in Russian to me here.
        Let him better remember how such mega-projects like collectivization, the development of virgin lands and the construction of the BAM ended in the recent history of the USSR? - catastrophic failures.
        And the Minister of Regional Development of the Russian Federation Zhuravlev has already answered Shoigu, nostalgic for the times of the USSR. Read the arguments of the latter to broaden your horizons.
        1. 0
          7 August 2021 11: 14
          Quote: Captain Stoner
          nostalgic for the times of the USSR Shoigu

          Give it up, he is not nostalgic about anything - both himself and his family live well and better than under the USSR. But I want even better, and this should be helped by the votes of nostalgic voters.

          Quote: Captain Stoner
          only in Russia is a civil engineer serving as the Minister of Defense and speaking out on issues of urban planning policy.

          And this is all too often. The other day, literally, Dmitry Peskov, the special representative of the President of the Russian Federation for digital and technological development, allowed the introduction of a meat tax in Russia. Well, what about? It is logical and in line with the Paris agreement on climate and the UN Sustainable Development Goals. True, Mr. Peskov did not take into account that the elections were on the way for which he received a rebuff from the Ministry of Finance - they say, we are not discussing anything of the kind and are not planning.
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      2. 0
        7 August 2021 23: 08
        Such projects are possible in the form of public-private partnerships.

        Thirty years of perestroika, "rationalization", privatization and capital squeezing of everything and everything to Moscow, the region and specially designated economic zones. Enterprises were closed under far-fetched pretexts and artificially arranged problems, and the proceeds were privatized and dumped. These were the golden days of state building, but now what is it all wrong? We cross out everything and build it over again? We are reviving the type, very economically and prudently.

        You can reduce the cost, ...

        Business does not work for cheaper cost, but for more profit with a minimum of effort. If a lot of money from the budget appears on the horizon, then the ears and hands of all well-known construction giants and small business will immediately grow there, together with the middle one, at best, it will become a subcontractor. The Turks and the Chinese in the same construction business present serious competition and will not miss their own.

        And in general, such a megaproject ...

        What is the problem? It was not even necessary to build out of the blue, to find a convenient railway beyond the Urals. station / fork with a small town, village or "five houses". We gave the capitalist a license on certain preferential terms for educational enterprises and construction in those "five houses" and go ahead, build a garden city. Have you built a lot?
        Maybe all the years in the wrong direction were built? But looking, for example, at the Smolensk region, too, there are no special outbursts.
        It still smacks of pre-election populism.
        Let them attend to the overhaul of schools, homes for the elderly and the disabled, otherwise it seems that without the "initiative" of a certain party, for some reason, the horse was not lying there. It seems that there are no plans of ministerial, municipal or budgets. If it were not for United Russia, everything would be lost.
    2. 0
      8 August 2021 21: 37
      Quote: Captain Stoner
      It is sad, very sad: the Minister of Defense expresses ideas that currently look like an outright utopia and smack of manilovism.
      Where did the money come from? How many trillions do you need and where to get them?
      It's impossible to build cities from scratch. There will be no one to live in them, because people will not go where there is no work.

      Well, first of all, first of all, the capital must be transferred there. Money is not particularly needed for this, except for the construction of several government buildings and dormitories for ministers and officials. When the administrative center of the country is, for example, in Novosibirsk or Krasnoyarsk, then all firms and companies of significant size, which were previously based in Moscow, will automatically move there. At my own expense, by the way. They will start building their luxurious offices there. Also, the mass development of housing construction will quickly begin, which is now being built all in Moscow, because it is the capital. They built it in Moscow, and now they will start here. Many significant people will move to the new capital, buying and ordering new housing there. New millions of people from all over Russia will strive there, and not to Moscow. Here's a boom in construction in the new capital and the surrounding area will begin. Only the construction of roads and infrastructure will be needed from the budget. No "newspapers, factories and ships" will need to be built with budget money. They will come running themselves. And they will also fight there for land, which the state can sell them profitably. So it's not that scary. On the contrary, I think everything can be done easily. Just make a new "bait" and everyone will come running there. And with your money.
      1. 0
        8 August 2021 21: 46
        Quote: Vermon
        They will start building their luxurious offices there.

        Yeah, but ministers and officials will be looking at this splendor from dormitories, waiting in line for one toilet for four rooms Yes
  15. +2
    7 August 2021 21: 19
    It was assumed that American missiles would cover Moscow in a matter of minutes. And where to run? Here in Siberia and would have served. There are few cities. It is necessary to build: there will be something to cut.
  16. 0
    7 August 2021 22: 09
    Kuzhugetich is preparing for war. Suddenly they will climb. Relations with neighbors are not at all rosy, and Abroad can help them. And since the infrastructure is already ready, there will be no need to evacuate production as in the Domestic. Workers just where will they come from there? They will come in large numbers from Moscow and St. Petersburg, or maybe from Sochi and Crimea - it is doubtful
    1. 0
      8 August 2021 21: 51
      Quote: Cucumbers
      Kuzhugetich is preparing for war. Suddenly they will climb. Relations with neighbors are not at all rosy, and Abroad can help them. And since the infrastructure is already ready, there will be no need to evacuate production as in the Domestic. Workers just where will they come from there? They will come in large numbers from Moscow and St. Petersburg, or maybe from Sochi and Crimea - it is doubtful

      What kind of nonsense are you grinding? Who will "climb" the war against Russia? Europe, perhaps, dying from fear of the possibility of even the slightest probable war? Who is there ready to fight, Merkel or Macron? Or "crying" from fear Stolberg? Yes, they are afraid of the slightest military conflict with Russia. They have something to lose, but Russia, with its ruined country and impoverished population, has nothing to lose. And they are well aware of this. If they were not afraid, they could have tightened the maximum sanctions for a long time. But they fear that then Russia will have nothing to "lose" and it may well "roll up" another "Dombas" in Latvia or Estonia, where there are almost half of Russians. They know very well about this and are very afraid of it. So there is no need to carry a "blizzard" about a possible European offensive against Russia. And America is generally far away. They can only strike from afar, but they will also receive a devastating blow in response. Why would they? Do you need Russian "resources"? And why do they need these resources if their whole country is "gouged"? Therefore, there is no need to drive nonsense about the fact that "everyone wants to capture us" ...
  17. -1
    8 August 2021 09: 11
    It was smooth on paper; but in reality - hillocks and ravines!

    Where will this "newly hatched statesman" get the "population" for "his" cities? Even at the present time, the Ministry of Labor is “yelling good obscenities” that there is not enough “labor resources” and insists on increasing quotas for migrants! So who will live and work in the "Shoigu cities"? Who will stay to live and work in central Russia? The same "Turks"? What will (is turning ...) Russia? And there is no need to award Shoigu the title of "Honored Inventor and Rationalizer of the Russian Federation"! Back in the days of the USSR, a similar project was "voiced by the top"! But the project quickly "pissed off"! then where does Shoigu rock the boat, where does the current ruling regime rock the boat? Someday this ruling regime will be engaged in real pressing matters, and not projecting?
    1. +2
      8 August 2021 15: 22
      Now everything that is being done in Siberia and the Far East is being done for China and in the name of Chinese money. And the locals run from there, as far as possible!
  18. +1
    8 August 2021 09: 19
    If I read Shoigu's statement correctly, then Messrs. Rotenberg became closely with bridges and highways, they decided to take up the construction of cities.
  19. 0
    9 August 2021 07: 16
    Does Kuzhugktovich aim to succeed with such powerful initiatives?
  20. 0
    13 August 2021 06: 56
    Your Defense Minister Shoigu belongs to those nationalities which Ermak, with a salvo of three hundred muskets, put to flight hundreds of times superior to Ermak's expedition, and do you think this Buryat has forgotten the fear at the genetic level !! ??? Because Superstitious and proposed to build plagues and yarangas in Siberia wants to be closer to the shamans, in order to frighten NATO troops with dances with tambourines while they fight with the workers and collective farmers of the South, Center and Western Russia !!!! He was going to tick !!!