Su-57 faced production problems

July 31 2020 20

Serial production of Russian fifth generation Su-57 fighters at the Yuri Gagarin aviation enterprise in Komsomolsk-on-Amur is facing serious problems. The newspaper tells about it "Wings of Soviets".

The source informs about the peculiarities of work on the fighter in shop number 45. At the very beginning, "bottlenecks" production sites were revealed - the areas for assembling the fuselage, nose compartment, space under the cockpit, alignment and delivery of the aircraft. To eliminate these shortcomings, the design features of the boules were changed, the docking ramp was improved and additional equipment was introduced for engine nacelles and air intakes.

But the main problem that took place in the 45th shop was the lack of free space for assembling a combat aircraft. The workshop is located between two adjacent assembly rooms, so there was little room to build a production line.

Given that the Su-57 is one of the newest developments in the Russian military-industrial complex, it is not easy to understand the reasons for the lack of space for assembly - why the production areas were not allocated in advance? This approach is also incomprehensible due to the fact that several years ago the plant carried out work to align the assembly cycle of the Su-35S.

In July, the Chinese portal Global Times published material about the fifth generation fighters, among which the J-20 made in China appeared, as well as the American F-35 Lightning II and F-22 Raptor. The Su-57 was not mentioned in the publication.

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31 July 2020 17: 50

I read it .... well, everything is clear .... again the crooked engineers, they did the line for the Su-35, they began to do it for the Su-57, and ... it never happened, and again ...
And then the Global Times doesn't count him as the 5th generation ...

I got into the original .... it turns out that most of the difficulties listed were at the first stage in the production of the Su-35. And in general, everything is not so sad.

It was much more difficult on the Su-35, ”says Viktor Passar, deputy head of the preproduction shop. - We changed the location of the sites, tried different options. Now, having experience, we see how to do it, we take into account those nuances that we did not know about before.

Faced with a lack of space, they are doing redevelopment, in general - nothing unusual, a workflow.

As part of the development of the Sukhoi Production System, a project was launched to increase the area of the industrial zone in the middle of the workshop to address the issue of lack of space. To do this, it is necessary to carry out some redevelopment in the administrative and household premises in order to accommodate employees who are now working in the industrial zone.

What the Global Times thinks and whether he knows about the Su-57 at all is not so important, the plane is not being made to be praised by foreign journalists.
1. Bitter
  
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  31 July 2020 22: 25
  
  ... crooked engineers, they made a line for the Su-35, they began to make a line for the Su-57, and ... it never happened, and again ...
  
  Well, this seems to be technology - assembly technology. You can build a line, or you can do fit on chairs in the back rooms. There are no technologists, or "effective managers" do not allow them to introduce these very technologies, and in the meantime they themselves use high-tech methods to master the resources allocated for this, at other "private" objects or through subcontractors and at their pockets.
  1. 123
    
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    31 July 2020 23: 29
    
    Well, this seems to be technology - assembly technology. You can build a line, or you can do fit on chairs in the back rooms. There are no technologists or "effective managers" do not allow them to introduce these very technologies, while they themselves, in the meantime, use high-tech resources allocated for this, at other "private" objects or through subcontractors and at their pockets.
    
    This point of view has a right to exist, but it is rather your assumptions. What makes you think that they are adjusting something in the back rooms? The back rooms are just being demolished, they need more space there, they decided to use another equipment. I cannot judge how well the assembly technology has been developed, but I believe it is not "brought to perfection." I don't see any serious problems, we decided to improve something, not everything is so critical. Although they could "practice" in advance. I can assume that new premises for the production of the Su-57 were not built, the existing ones were re-equipped.
    To draw a conclusion about a "conspiracy of managers" who saw the budget, I think, is wrong, I see no reason for this.
    1. Bitter
      
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      2 August 2020 11: 50
      
      ... they're in the back room of something ...
      
      It was more rhetorical than literal. It meant the imperfection of the assembly technology, although educated people sit on the ground, they are probably referred to as a process engineer, but the process cannot be regulated. Maybe they need to go out and talk to the people on the line? I had to deal with at enterprises when the product was released before the documentation, that was a technological problem.
      
      conclusion about a "conspiracy of managers" who saw the budget ..
      
      I don’t claim, but everything was already invented before us. In addition, Nito has not canceled the slogans "everyone does this" and the like, there is no conspiracy, just everyone who has the opportunity is doing business like Yeltsin for his family.
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        2 August 2020 12: 48
        
        I don’t claim, but everything was already invented before us. In addition, Nito has not canceled the slogans "everyone does this" and the like, there is no conspiracy, just everyone who has the opportunity is doing business like Yeltsin for his family.
        
        There is practically nothing to argue about.
2. Lawyer
  
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  1 August 2020 05: 28
  
  It's okay, they'll finish building in two years. There will be something to show at the Victory Parade over Mamai. To the delight of the Papuans.
  In fact, Russia should first learn how to make straight nails, and then the fifth generation. :))))
  1. 123
    
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    1 August 2020 07: 24
    
    It's okay, they'll finish building in two years. There will be something to show at the Victory Parade over Mamai. To the delight of the Papuans.
    
    Yes, this is great, enjoy your health. You just be more careful there, Russian television is banned, do not get caught, all the more - the red flag is shown and the star. Suddenly, one of the neighbors notices, calls where necessary, you won't end up in trouble ..
    
    In fact, Russia should first learn how to make straight nails, and then the fifth generation. :))))
    
    What is the bad quality? Are you still buying from us? This, of course, is not good. True, I haven't used nails for a long time, I can't say anything about this. But surely you were sold Chinese plasticine under the guise of Russian.
    Maybe you should try a screwdriver? This is, if anything, such a screwdriver with a motor. In Belgorod, if I am not mistaken, the production of screws was recently opened, for sure the quality is better than the Chinese one.
  2. magma
    
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    2 August 2020 07: 40
    
    In fact, Russia should first learn how to make straight nails, and then the fifth generation. :))))
    
    Pot calls the kettle black...
3. Locksmith
  
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  2 August 2020 19: 04
  
  Quote: 123
  I read it .... well, everything is clear .... again, crooked engineers
  
  Ahaha, we have efficient managers came to production, the idea is fix - to throw out high-precision machines with IAK (IAK is a system for intelligent measurement and correction of temperature changes in the machine frame and making - automatic corrections to the processing program, range + - 3 degrees !!! from 25 into a common building, without preparation of the site, without preparation of temperature regimes = without anything at all, the goal is to create a warehouse of devices for these machines, and I don't care if everything will be stuck up exactly the next day !! The main thing is that it will be so beautiful !!! ....the curtain.
Alexey Semenenko

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31 July 2020 17: 57

Yes, the place is damned ...
1. rotkiv04
  
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  31 July 2020 18: 24
  
  Rather, it is your Outskirts cursed.
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Radical

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31 July 2020 18: 24

Is it not destiny to build a new workshop or two?
1. Lawyer
  
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  1 August 2020 05: 30
  
  Well it will take five years. It is better then to build right away for the seventh generation.
Sergey Latyshev

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31 July 2020 18: 27

Oh, a bad dancer ... in general, some strange far-fetched reasons. After all, they are already made not by a hundred a year, like the F-35 ...
In the pictures 1-2 planes only met ...

And with the Chinese it is probably easy. They listed the aircraft adopted for service, and not the one that Putin proposed to Erdogan ...
Syoma_67

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31 July 2020 19: 54

Su-57 faced problems

- The Su-57 hasn't been out of trouble for 20 years.
1. Lawyer
  
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  1 August 2020 05: 36
  
  I would advise them to spit and score. Tea, not the last generation. We must start building the seventh right away.
Dreamboat

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31 July 2020 22: 58

These are good problems. If the workshop is cramped during serial assembly of aircraft, then a lot of them are being made at once.
1. Lawyer
  
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  1 August 2020 05: 33
  
  There are two locksmiths with straight arms for the whole plant. Well, let them build a lot. Won Superjet also did a lot. People are going the right way.
kriten

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1 August 2020 13: 06

Unclear. That there the enterprise is run by "effective managers" of HSE graduates with intelligence below the plinth ????
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syndicalist

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3 August 2020 07: 47
I decided to search the network for photos of the Su-57 assembly, but everywhere they give only a close-up, which does not allow us to assess the scale of production. And I would like to see a common one, such as numerous photos of the F-35 assembly.