Beat the first: NATO brazenly probes the defense of Kaliningrad

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The United States and its allies, not hiding at all, are preparing for war with Russia. The military exercises of the NATO bloc simultaneously take place along all the western borders of our country. Moreover, real battles are already underway, though so far only electronic ones. Where will the first real blow of the North Atlantic Alliance be delivered if such an order arrives from Washington?





On the Baltic Sea, regular Baltops (Baltic Operations) exercises are currently underway, in which ships and aircraft of 18 NATO countries participate. Such maneuvers were first held in 1971 during the Cold War era. In the post-Soviet times, the Russian Federation even took part in them, but after the “Crimean Spring” everything returned to normal. In Baltops - 2019, about 12 thousand people are involved.

In neighboring Poland, Kaliningrad, during this period, the international Tobruq Legacy exercises are underway, practicing missile and air defense. In addition to Polish, they are attended by American, Romanian, British, Hungarian and Slovak troops with a total number of 4,8 thousand. In a couple of weeks, even more ambitious maneuvers will start, in which over 18 thousand NATO soldiers will be involved.

At the same time, the multinational exercises Saber Guardian - 2019 are taking place in Romania, in which 8 thousand troops from the USA, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania take part. The first fiddle is played everywhere by the Americans, who demonstrate the ability of the North Atlantic Alliance to strike at an enemy on a wide front. The adversary is, of course, the Russian Federation.

So where will NATO strike in the first place if a real military conflict begins?

The main splinter for the alliance is our Kaliningrad region. Being an enclave isolated from the rest of the country, Kaliningrad represents both the strengths and weaknesses of Russia. Having no military superiority at sea over the NATO Navy, the Russian Ministry of Defense nonetheless from this region controls the Baltic with missiles and a significant part of the territory that is part of the North Atlantic Alliance.

Ben Hodges, the commander of NATO forces in Europe, previously explicitly warned:

From the Kaliningrad region, it is now possible to prevent our navy and any NATO fleet from reaching the Baltic Sea. From there, they can stop anyone who tries to enter this sea.


It is clear that Western aggression against Russia will begin with an attempt to sink the Baltic Fleet and suppress air defense / missile defense systems in order to block Kaliningrad and take control of it. But now everything has moved to a new level. The United States last year promptly recreated its Second Fleet, an armada that had previously protected the Atlantic from a threat from the USSR. Now the Americans are training their European allies to be "cannon fodder", which will be the first to storm the Russian enclave. Mindful of the Russian electronic warfare systems, the Pentagon began to systematically probe the Kaliningrad defense invisible to the eye.

A few days ago, an incident occurred with the reconnaissance aircraft EC-130H Compass Call, about which we told earlier. But potential opponents did not calm down on this, and NATO ships again used electronic warfare systems against Russian radar systems and air defense and missile defense systems. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recorded this fact. The Baltic Fleet is watching military exercises taking place in the immediate vicinity of the borders of the Kaliningrad Region, the Bastion and Ball anti-ship systems are watching the NATO ships from the shore, and Russian military aircraft are in the air.

Apparently, the tension around our European enclave will only increase in the future, and attempts to open the defense of Kaliningrad will become ever more impudent.
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  1. +6
    19 June 2019 08: 36
    In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, Russia will have a good and specious way to return Ukraine, the sea part of the Black Sea, transferred at one time by the Ukrainians - Romania, Moldova, the rest of East Prussia and create a land corridor from Russia to Kaliningrad. Historically, Russia has always punished the aggressor by taking land from him.
    1. +1
      19 June 2019 11: 09
      And then "after the ball," as Lev Nikolaevich described, arrange for the survivors an execution.
    2. +1
      19 June 2019 19: 25
      The case of hostilities is war. It does not end for dinner, and it is killed there.
    3. -7
      19 June 2019 19: 32
      Quote: Bulanov
      In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, Russia will have a good and specious way to return Ukraine, the sea part of the Black Sea, transferred at one time by the Ukrainians - Romania, Moldova, the rest of East Prussia and create a land corridor from Russia to Kaliningrad.

      Have you forgotten to drink special pills? Or do you seriously think that Russia has at least a microscopic part of the chance of success in the event of a war with the countries of the NATO bloc?
      If you think so, then you should see a doctor. And already he will write you the very pills.

      Quote: Bulanov
      Historically, Russia has always punished the aggressor by taking land from him.

      Can you give an example of such a story?
      For Russia or the USSR to wage some kind of independent war with some aggressor, they would defeat him and take away some of his land.
      1. +3
        20 June 2019 05: 35
        A provocateur with zero authority, and as a rule, an expert in military affairs, perish. And to the doctor, this is for you, only to your own, Ukrainian, at the place of residence.
      2. +4
        20 June 2019 08: 11
        The Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. We fought with the aggressor Europe, which, under the leadership of Nazi Germany, received .... The part of eastern Prussia belonging to Germany, now the Kaliningrad region, Transcarpathia belonging to Hungary, was annexed. They returned the Baltic states, western Belarus and western Ukraine. In 1945, they made a real blitzkrieg of Japan and returned southern Sakhalin and all the Kuril Islands.
        2008 5-day war with Georgia. As a result, South Ossetia was returned to its control.
        In the 18th century, according to the results of several wars with the Ottoman Empire, Crimea and Bessarabia were included in Russia.
        So we have experience, the son of difficult mistakes, in defeating the adversaries and joining their lands.
        1. -4
          20 June 2019 10: 42
          Quote: Rinat
          The Great Patriotic War 1941-1945

          Are you firmly convinced of this? I mean dates.
          The independent Soviet-German war (it took place outside the framework of 2MV) ended on September 24.09.1941, 2 with the entry of the USSR into XNUMXMV on the side of the Anglo-Saxons.
          08.05.1945/2/XNUMX in Europe ended XNUMXMB.

          Quote: Rinat
          We fought with Agoessor Europe, which, under the leadership of Nazi Germany, got a wort.

          Not "we" (the Russian Federation did not participate in WW2), but the USSR. The USSR also fought not independently, but as part of the Anti-Hitler coalition (from 24.09.1941). This coalition was the winner in WW2.
          In addition, the Anti-Hitler coalition did not fight with Europe, it fought with the Axis countries.
          You somehow do not know the story well.

          Quote: Rinat
          Part of eastern Prussia belonging to Germany, now the Kaliningrad region, Transcarpathia belonging to Hungary, was annexed.

          I asked to name the INDEPENDENT war in which the aggressor would be defeated and the territories would be seized. And participation in WW2 is far from an independent war.

          Quote: Rinat
          They returned the Baltic states, western Belarus and western Ukraine.

          Not returned, but received.
          So I want to remind you for a moment that Zap. Ukraine, Zap. The USSR and Belorussia received the USSR in Yalta in 1945 through the exchange of territories with Poland. Those. The USSR annexed certain territories from Germany (their list is on the Internet) and exchanged them with Poland.
          From the territories captured in 1939 from Poland, the USSR in the Soviet-Polish agreement of July 30, 1941 (Maisky-Sikorsky) refused.
          As for when the Baltic States was transferred to the Baltic States, the story is muddy. Someone claims that in 1945 in Yalta. And someone claims to be in Potsdam in 1945. Those. she, too, was not returned; she was received.
          And again, you do not know the story.

          Quote: Rinat
          In 1945, they made a real blitzkrieg of Japan and returned southern Sakhalin and all the Kuril Islands.

          And again, it was about punishing the aggressor. But in the Far East (against Japan), the USSR itself acted as an aggressor and attacked Japan. Yes, and acted, again, not one.
          Somehow the image of a lonely but just fighter for a just cause does not emerge from the USSR. A kind of "strict but fair father." An ordinary jackal, like everyone else. And not even a very high level.

          Quote: Rinat
          2008 5-day war with Georgia. As a result, South Ossetia was returned to its control.

          Is South Ossetia already part of the Russian Federation? Did not know.

          Quote: Rinat
          In the 18th century, according to the results of several wars with the Ottoman Empire, Crimea, Bessarabia were included in Russia.

          Recall who in those cases acted as the aggressor?

          Quote: Rinat
          on the defeat of the adversaries and the annexation of their lands, we have.

          Who has "you"?
          The Russian Federation and the USSR have no succession (other than legal). Just as there was no succession between RI and the USSR.
          This is what the Bolsheviks did at the beginning of the 20th century, and then the Communists, in its course. They violated (destroyed) the natural course of the evolutionary development of Russia. And thereby virtually destroyed Russia itself.
          The Russian Federation is a young state. He is also not 30 years old. It is only trying to find its place in the modern world. And it’s not a fact that he will find.
          Therefore, it is not necessary to associate the Russian Federation with the USSR. And with RI, too, is not necessary. These are three DIFFERENT states.
          1. +2
            24 June 2019 19: 04
            You forget that the bulk of the enemy’s divisions during the Second World War were nevertheless defeated by the Soviet army ... and the war with Japan was no exception ... No battle for Iwo Jima caused Japan such losses as the defeat of the Japanese Kwantung army by Soviet troops ...
            1. -1
              24 June 2019 20: 14
              Quote: Sapsan136
              You forget that the main mass of enemy divisions during the Second World War was nevertheless destroyed by the Soviet army

              Yes, Germans lost 2/3 of the manpower on the Eastern Front?
              So what?
              But they lost 72% of combat aircraft BEYOND the Eastern Front.
              Their Navy generally did not suffer almost from the RKKF.
              In Yalta in 1945, Dzhugashvili agreed with the Anglo-Saxons on the contribution of the USSR to the victory - "approximately 1/3". One occupation zone out of 4. Further speculation on this score is pointless.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              No battle for Iwo Jima caused Japan such losses as the defeat by the Soviet troops of the Kwantung Army of Japan ...

              The last thing that interested the Japanese in August 1945 was the fate of the disabled from the Kwantung Army.
              After Hiroshima (August 6) and Nagasaki (August 9), the Japanese had better things to do. Japan surrendered on August 14, and the USSR attacked it on August 9. Those. the decision to surrender by Japan was made outside the outcome of the Soviet offensive in distant Manchuria. And even then, when the defeat of the Kwantung Army was still very far away.
              1. +1
                25 June 2019 07: 54
                Well, everything is clear to you, in your opinion, the USA won the war ... whose troops drove the Hitler Youths in the Ardenes in 1944 ... In 1945, the USA scared everyone with a nuclear bomb and this is the only reason Stalin made concessions .. The fate of the war in Europe was decided on land and in the Kwantung Army there were far from disabled people, but those who had successfully fought the Chinese army for many years, which had a numerical advantage.
                1. -1
                  25 June 2019 21: 05
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  In your opinion, the USA won the war.

                  Finally, you get it. Mostly they. But there were others who won from 2MB. For example, the Bolsheviks (and their singers scoops). Or, another example, the Germans. Not the Nazis, namely the Germans.
                  But fellow citizens from 2MB lost. And very large. Lost and Russian.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  the troops of which in 1944 drove the boys from the Hitler Youth through the Ardennes ...

                  Any other fantasies about this?

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  In 1945, the United States scared everyone with a nuclear bomb and this is the only reason why Stalin made concessions ...

                  No, there were many reasons. And above all, the weakness of the USSR. Which alone was not capable of anything. And the mobressour (cannon fodder) in the USSR in 1945 was gone. Back in the autumn of 1944, sixteen-year-olds began to be mobilized into the army.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  The fate of the war in Europe was decided on land

                  It was decided everywhere.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  and in the Kwantung Army were far from disabled, but those who successfully fought for many years with the Chinese army, which had a numerical advantage.

                  First of all, you need to understand that Japan surrendered BEFORE the Red Army managed to defeat the Kwantung Army. Therefore, it is incomprehensible whether she could defeat her if she really fought against the Red Army.
                  1. +1
                    25 June 2019 21: 13
                    Well, this is your opinion, which does not claim to be the ultimate truth.
                    1. -2
                      25 June 2019 21: 19
                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      this is your opinion

                      This is a historical fact, however. With which only the most obstinate can argue.
                      1. +2
                        25 June 2019 21: 34
                        This is not a historical fact, it’s just a USA PR, which is rubbed in fast food by American schools.
                      2. -2
                        25 June 2019 22: 20
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        it's just a US PR rubbed in fast food schools in American schools

                        Those. Is the fact that the USSR attacked Japan on August 9, 1945, and Japan surrendered on August 14, 1945, long before the planned defeat of the Kwantung Army, are these not historical facts?
                        Where did you see the defeat of the army in 5 days?
                      3. +2
                        26 June 2019 10: 55
                        A country capitulates when all its armed forces receive orders to lay down their arms. The Kwantung army did not receive such an order, as did the grouping of Japanese troops in the Kuril Islands. They destroyed armies in less time, learn history (specialist). By the way, the garrison of the fortress of Singapore (85000 British, in excellent fortifications, with food, medicine and ammunition) an entire army, lasted only 7 days, against all that 36000 army of Japan ...
                      4. -1
                        26 June 2019 11: 05
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        The Kwantung army did not receive such an order,

                        And the Kwantung Army, is it not the "armed forces of Japan"?
                        Learn history and do not invent fairy tales. On August 16, 1945, the commander of the Kwantung Army, General Yamada Otzo, ordered his army to surrender.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        Armies destroyed in less time

                        Only in your fantasies.
                        Or give examples from history?
      3. +2
        20 June 2019 18: 03
        You probably never taught history at school, or you taught it according to some Western textbooks, according to which the Western Allies, led by the USA, won the Great Patriotic War, while the USSR was modestly on the sidelines !!! That's because of such fools we are no longer respected in the world.
        1. -1
          20 June 2019 18: 18
          Quote: sgrabik
          according to some Western textbooks, according to which the Western Allies, led by the USA, won the Great Patriotic War

          In fact, the United States did not participate in the Second World War. They participated in WW2.
          Learn the story, come in handy.

          Quote: sgrabik
          while the Soviet Union was modestly on the sidelines !!!

          In 2 MB? Yes, not the most important.
          From the fruits of victory (in Europe) he received only a third (one of the four occupation zones). Moreover, Dzhugashvili agreed with this assessment of the contribution of the USSR to the overall victory of the countries of the Anti-Hitler coalition in WWII in Yalta in 2.
          Will you argue with that too?

          Quote: sgrabik
          we are no longer respected in the world.

          You have never been respected. And they will never be respected. After all, you, first of all, do not respect yourself.
      4. +1
        20 June 2019 20: 09
        We can. This is, at least, the Kaliningrad region. Weaning part of the land from Finland. The weaning of land from Japan ... In fact, South Ossetia also became Russian. There 90% have Russian citizenship.
        1. 0
          20 June 2019 20: 19
          Quote: moor
          This is, at least, the Kaliningrad region.

          Kaliningrad region became part of the USSR as a result of the Soviet-German or 2MB?

          Quote: moor
          Weaning part of the land from Finland.

          When?
          In 1940, the USSR was an aggressor. And in 1945, it was not the USSR that won, but the countries of the Anti-Hitler coalition. One of which was the USSR.

          Quote: moor
          Japan taking land ...

          Actually, it was the USSR that attacked Japan in 1945.

          Quote: moor
          In fact, South Ossetia also became Russian.

          In fact, read the Constitution of Russia. Everything is written there.

          Quote: moor
          There 90% have Russian citizenship.

          So what?
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    4. -5
      19 June 2019 20: 54
      Quote: Bulanov
      Historically, Russia has always punished the aggressor by taking land from him.

      I almost forgot to recall that in 2014, 42 countries (among them the NATO countries too) declared Russia a hybrid war (it continues to this day). About the same as the United States declared to Japan, the Reich and the USSR. Only Japan and the Reich aggravated the conflict a little later, but the USSR did not. Just in case, I remind you that they all (including the USSR) ended badly.
      In connection with this, there is a question, when do you plan to "return to Ukraine, the sea part of the Black Sea, transferred at one time by the Ukrainians - Romania, Moldova, the rest of East Prussia and the creation of a land corridor from Russia to Kaliningrad"?
      If you are not in the know, here is the list of aggressors:

      1 Australia
      2. Austria
      3. Albania
      4. Belgium
      5. Bulgaria
      6. Britain
      7. Hungary
      8. Germany
      9. Greece
      10. Georgia
      11 Denmark
      12 Ireland
      13. Iceland
      14. Spain
      15. Italy
      16. Canada
      17. Cyprus
      18. Latvia
      19 Lithuania
      20. Liechtenstein
      21. Luxembourg
      22 Malta
      23 Moldavia
      24 The Netherlands
      25 New Zealand
      26 Norway
      27 Poland
      28. Portugal
      29 Romania
      30 Slovakia
      31 Slovenia
      32. USA
      33 Ukraine
      34 Finland
      35. France
      36 Croatia
      37. Montenegro
      38. Czech
      39 Switzerland
      40 Sweden
      41. Estonia
      42 Japan
      Who are you planning to start with?
      1. +3
        20 June 2019 07: 10
        Let's start with you. Get out of here ...
        1. 0
          27 June 2019 00: 10
          True eyes hurts?
      2. +2
        20 June 2019 08: 22
        In fact, only one aggressor is included in this list of aggressor countries, this is the United States. The rest just grunt. Accordingly, according to the degree of perfection, everyone will receive his own or be forgiven.
        1. -1
          20 June 2019 10: 00
          Quote: Rinat
          In fact, only one aggressor is included in this list of aggressor countries, this is the United States. The rest just grunt.

          Those. Finland, Romania and Hungary during the Second World War "were not aggressors at all, but simply grunt"?
          The original look.

          Quote: Rinat
          according to the degree of perfection, each will receive his own or be forgiven.

          Yeah Have you tried to study history? What did similar situations end with, don't you remember?
      3. +1
        24 June 2019 19: 06
        Now count the countries that fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler officially and not officially, so be surprised
        1. -3
          24 June 2019 20: 18
          Quote: Sapsan136
          Count now the countries that fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler

          Italy, Finland, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary. It's all. There were no other Reich allies fighting against the USSR.
          Bulgaria and Japan (also members of the Axis) did not fight against the USSR. It was the USSR itself that attacked Bulgaria in 1944 and Japan in 1945.
          1. +2
            24 June 2019 21: 51
            That's not true ... Divisions from Spain fought near Leningrad against the USSR, SS brigades from Norway, Sweden ... Volunteers from France fought against Hitler against the USSR near Moscow ... Bulgaria fought against Yugoslavia ... but Japan fought against the USSR in 1938 and 1939, and since 1941 regularly organized armed provocations on the border with the USSR and drowned Soviet civilian ships .... The Czechs and Slovakia and Poles and Lithuanians and Latvians and Estonians and Ukrainians fought against the USSR SS division Galichina, Shahenshaht SS battalion) and Georgians (SS battalion Tamara) ... In Kr mu Turks (calling themselves Crimean Tatar) polls left Germans serve as a punitive and Jivi ...
            1. -1
              24 June 2019 22: 15
              Quote: Sapsan136
              divisions from Spain fought against the USSR

              "Blue Division" (Spanish), these are alaverds to Soviet Komsomol volunteers. Officially, she had nothing to do with Spain.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              SS brigades from Norway, Sweden ...

              And these are also volunteers. Nothing to do with Norway and Sweden.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              Near Moscow, on the side of Hitler, volunteers from France fought against the USSR ...

              So what? Officially, they did not represent France. As the pilots from "Normandie-Niemen" did not imagine.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              Bulgaria fought against Yugoslavia ...

              Are you Yugoslav? What relation did Yugoslavia have to the USSR?

              Quote: Sapsan136
              but Japan fought against the USSR in 1938 and in 1939

              Oh really?
              In 1938, this is when the USSR squeezed part of its territory from Manchuria, and for some reason the Japanese were not happy about this?
              In 1939, this was when the Soviet Union squeezed part of its territory (Outer Mongolia) from China, and the Japanese, who considered this territory their conquest, were not happy for some reason?

              Quote: Sapsan136
              and since 1941, regularly organized armed provocations on the border with the USSR

              Give specific examples, please. And then whistle, not carry bags.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              drowned civil ships of the USSR ....

              And which ones specifically? Is it proven that they were Japanese, not Americans or Puerto Ricans, for example?

              Quote: Sapsan136
              Both Czechs and Slovakia and Poles and Lithuanians and Latvians and Estonians and Ukrainians fought against the USSR (SS Galichina division, SS Shahenshakht SS battalion) and Georgians (SS Tamara battalion)

              Once again for those in an armored train. These were volunteers. They have nothing to do with their countries.
              In addition, the Poles did not fight like that, they were not taken to the SS.
              In addition, the Czechs did not fight like that. They didn’t want to.
              And then after all, to listen to you, so Ukraine and Georgia also seemed to have fought on the side of the Germans. But this is not so.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              In Crimea, the Turks (calling themselves the Crimean Tatars) polls left to serve the Germans as hevi and punishers ...

              Without exception?
              But what about Ahmed Sultan, twice GSS.
              A. Reshidov, GSS.
              A. Teyfuk, GSS.
              S. Seitveliev, GSS.
              I will not list all. GSS in total there were 20 people. And 2 full gentlemen of the Order of Glory.
              36 thousand Crimean Tatars died during the war (out of 60 thousand). 17 thousand were partisans. Etc.
              1. +1
                25 June 2019 07: 39
                To listen to you, it’s Russia’s fault in everything, some Japanese are white and fluffy, they just forgot so far from Japan .... Volunteers or not, but the Norwegian SS corps that fought against the USSR had several thousand people and regularly replenished, after losses incurred. There were about three Spanish divisions, Blue, the most famous of them ... and so on. In general, the Soviet army was like it doesn’t matter who shoots it, 3000 volunteers from Norway, or part of its regular army ... As for Japan, that is, a good Soviet film is called (Do not take the fire order). Look, the chip of what, although it certainly will not convince you, but the facts will not convince you, because about Hassan you generally carry a nonsense blizzard ...
                1. -2
                  25 June 2019 09: 07
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  Listen to you, so throughout Russia

                  Not Russia, but the USSR. Russia (in the form of an independent civilization, as it has always been in history), if you do not know, in January 1918 ceased to exist. FOREVER AND EVER.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  Norwegian SS Corps, who fought against the USSR

                  Why not the SS army? Write the army.
                  In fact, the total number of Norwegians in this SS battalion was only 1950. 175 of them died.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  There were about three Spanish divisions, Blue, the most famous of them

                  There was one. But, I repeat again, this is how the Spaniards avenged the Soviet for what they did during the Civil War in Spain.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  for about Hassan you generally carry a nonsense blizzard ...

                  Read documents, not watch movies.
                  The conflict on Lake Hasan was organized by the USSR at the request of the Chinese. Which the Japanese pressed so that before their complete defeat, there were very few left. Pulling back the reserves of the Japanese, the USSR gave the Chinese time for a break. Which saved them from complete defeat.
                  1. +1
                    25 June 2019 11: 39
                    You are one of those who consider the change of the political system in the country to be the disappearance of the state. I will disappoint you. Russia has never gone anywhere, and in France you can still go to prison today for insulting the French emperor Napoleon. In fact, the Norwegian volunteers, near Leningrad, never fought less than 3000 against the USSR, it was a full-fledged brigade. The Wehrmacht battalion, if you do not know, consisted of a staff of 600 fighters. The Swedish SS Legion was no less. Norwegian ski battalion SS Norge and other parts, this is not one and a half excavator. The Viking SS division also included quite a few Scandinavians ... In general, the number of these Hitler assistants was quite decent, as if you would not like to show otherwise. The conflict on Lake Hassan arose because of strategic heights ... and not at the request of the Chinese, especially since ChayKanshi, who ruled there at that time, was definitely not a communist ... and there were not much sympathies for him in the Kremlin ... The conflict at HalHinGol was because of the Japanese attack on Mongolia, and not because of the aggression of Russia. It was not the Spaniards who took revenge, but General Franco, yielding to Hitler’s insistent demands, sent his military units against the USSR, without declaring war openly on the USSR
                    1. -1
                      25 June 2019 20: 56
                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      You are one of those who consider the change of the political system in the country to be the disappearance of the state.

                      It was not a "change of the political system" that took place in Russia. A civilizational catastrophe has taken place in Russia. In a short time, it went through TWO reactionary coups, as a result of which in the 30s of the last century it collapsed into the MEDIEVAL REGION.
                      You see, yes?
                      Those. another point of bifurcation in the development of the country was drawn. And the USSR began a NEW HISTORY. It has nothing to do with the history of the Russian Empire.
                      I see, huh?
                      The country has rolled back far in its development. And she began to develop in a new way. And that was a couple of hundred years before that, that's all had to cross out. As it all became parallel (and ALIEN) reality.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      Russia has never gone anywhere

                      I perished. In the truest sense of the word.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      and in France you can still go to jail for insulting the French emperor Napoleon.

                      Actually, Napoleon Bonaparte is the founding father of the French Republic. This is the leader of the fascist (in the USSR they were called that) type, who made the transition from the feudal OEF to the bourgeois one. Despite the fact that he called himself "emperor".

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      In fact, the Norwegian volunteers, near Leningrad, never fought less than 3000 against the USSR, it was a full-fledged brigade. The Wehrmacht battalion, if you do not know, consisted of a staff of 600 fighters.

                      Here they were at a time just for the battalion. And a total of 1950 people.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      In general, the number of these assistants to Hitler was quite decent, as if you would not want to show otherwise.

                      Several thousand volunteers, this is nonsense.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      The conflict on Lake Hassan arose because of its strategic height ...

                      In fact, this height was in the territory of Manchuria. And there was nothing strategic about her.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      not at the request of the Chinese

                      I see that complex causal relationships are not for you.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      The conflict at HalHinGol was due to the Japanese attack on Mongolia, and not because of the aggression of Russia.

                      The conflict at Khalkhin Gol happened in 1938.
                      The state of Mongolia happened on October 6, 1949.
                      Learn history, come in handy.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      It was not the Spaniards who took revenge, but General Franco, yielding to Hitler’s insistent demands, sent his military units against the USSR, without declaring the USSR openly

                      Finish already raving. The Blue Division was a volunteer formation. And officially it had nothing to do with Spain.
                      1. +1
                        25 June 2019 21: 26
                        You are, to put it mildly, mistaken ... And what you call a catastrophe, just a change of power in the country ... The Pugachevsky rebellion was also a catastrophe of its time and there were a lot of such catastrophes in the history of Russia and other countries ... By the way, before writing nonsense , take an interest in the correspondence between Franco and Hitler ... In Mongolia your face will be filled if you say so about Mongolia there ... In other words, you acknowledge that modern France is the successor and continuation of France since Napoleon and Louis, denying Russia the same .. .Logics in your statements T and knowledge of history, too ... It is clear that Russian hate you, but Mongolia is not pleased than you ?!
                      2. -1
                        25 June 2019 22: 28
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        And what you call a disaster, just a change of power in the country ...

                        Actually, I'm an expert in this matter. Unlike you.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        The Pugachevsky rebellion was also a disaster of its time and there were a lot of such disasters in the history of Russia and other states ...

                        God, what nonsense.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        take an interest in the correspondence between Franco and Hitler ...

                        What for? Franco strictly maintained neutrality and there were no complaints after WW2 against him.
                        You watch less "feature films".

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        . In Mongolia, your face will be full if you say so about Mongolia there ...

                        That is, the legal fact of the formation of the MPR on October 6, 1949, you decided to ignore.
                        Well, well.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        In other words, you acknowledge that modern France is the successor and continuation of France since the time of Napoleon and Louis, refusing Russia the same ...

                        Of course. It was a completely different situation. Which I described to you above. But you do not understand.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        It is clear that you hate Russia

                        What is this fright from you?
                        I am Russian. Therefore, I can’t hate Russia. The homeland of my ancestors.
                        But to the USSR and the Bolsheviks, the grave diggers of Russia, I have a bunch of questions.
                      3. +1
                        26 June 2019 10: 51
                        Even Sweden did not strictly observe neutrality, which is why it lost a dozen of its ships supplying Germany with strategic raw materials during the Second World War ... You can consider yourself a specialist, but wait until others call you such ... You are Russian, not Russian, and these are different things ...
                      4. -1
                        26 June 2019 11: 12
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        Even Sweden was not strictly neutral

                        Are there any documents on this? Or just chatter?

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        but wait for others to call you that ...

                        Who are these "others"? Those who do not fumble about anything in these matters?

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        You are Russian, not Russian,

                        For starters, do not be rude.
                        It’s me and Russian. But there are not so many Russians in Russia.
  2. +5
    19 June 2019 08: 52
    Quote: Bulanov
    Historically, Russia has always punished the aggressor by taking land from him.

    Yes, you just have to be in good shape for this, both military and economic.
    1. -1
      19 June 2019 19: 34
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      you just need to be in good shape for this, both military and economic.

      Do not remind me when this happened?
  3. +2
    19 June 2019 11: 05
    Probably, all American staffs watched the old Hollywood film "Be the first, Freddie!"
  4. +1
    19 June 2019 13: 49
    War is unlikely. Rather, with these teachings, the US divides the allies into $.
  5. +1
    19 June 2019 20: 20
    Quote: semsemch
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    you just need to be in good shape for this, both military and economic.

    Do not remind me when this happened?

    Why this question? What thought did you want to convey to them?
    1. -2
      19 June 2019 20: 27
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Why this question? What thought did you want to convey to them?

      I wanted to know when it was that Russia / the USSR were "in good shape, both military and economic." Then she "punished the aggressor by taking away his land."
    2. +4
      20 June 2019 18: 00
      What thought did you want to convey to them?

      You asked your opponent a very difficult question. About "thought". lol
  6. +2
    20 June 2019 06: 29
    In case of the start of the next nach Osten, it is imperative to hit the aggressor's nerve center.
  7. +1
    20 June 2019 08: 23
    Quote: semsemch
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Why this question? What thought did you want to convey to them?

    I wanted to know when it was that Russia / the USSR were "in good shape, both military and economic." Then she "punished the aggressor by taking away his land."

    I have already read your anti-Soviet rule in other articles and have no desire to enter into a discussion with you in order to breed here another footcloth from endless comments.
    What's in your head is your own business. It is impossible and I don’t need to “put in” your brains, therefore I am not going to waste my time on it.
    1. 0
      20 June 2019 10: 53
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      I already read your anti-Soviet in other articles

      Thanks for the compliment. Not every day I am called a decent person.

      However, you may not be in the know, but "anti-Soviet" in translation from the Soviet means "a decent person."
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      It is impossible to "put" your brains in

      Than? Wretched counselor?
      No, I do not need it. And it won’t work out, I don’t have sawdust in my head.
  8. +1
    20 June 2019 08: 26
    Quote: LeftPers
    A provocateur with a zero account, and as a rule, an expert in military affairs, disappear. And to the doctor, this is for you, only to your own, Ukrainian, at the place of residence.

    Yes, this is an ordinary provocateur-demagogue with brains .. anti-Soviet propaganda brains. Losing time answering him is futile.
    1. 0
      20 June 2019 10: 57
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      provocateur-demagogue with brains .. anti-Soviet propaganda brains

      Who is this writing? Have you tried to look at your brains from the outside?
      Try it.
      Damn, the whole world somehow lives perfectly well "with brains stuck with anti-Soviet propaganda." And only "Soviet ensigns" with the right brains.
      True, they do not live very well. Let's face it, they live poorly. But it’s very correct.
      Misery begins with the head. Devastation, it’s in the brain. This is Bulgakov noted.
      1. +2
        24 June 2019 18: 59
        Everything is relative. In the 90s, the Russian Federation was friends with the United States, and what did it bring to the Russian Federation, besides poverty, grief and a huge decrease in the population in the country ?! Those who fled to North Korea from North often hang themselves ... So everything is relative, especially since life in the United States itself, for the majority of the population, is far from sugar ... They live there rather poorly, on credit and sometimes die in old age, and not having paid on loans ... I then calculated how much meat can be bought for an engineer’s salary in the USA and converted its cost into rubles, at prices per kilo of meat in the Russian Federation ... It turned out that in the USA they live on 18000 rubles a month that somehow it’s not rich, to say the least ...
        1. -2
          24 June 2019 20: 02
          Quote: Sapsan136
          In the 90s, the Russian Federation was friends with the United States, and what did it bring to the Russian Federation, besides poverty, grief and a huge decrease in the population in the country ?!

          And why did the warm necessarily bring the soft?
          You have strange causal relationships. The USA has something to do with "poverty, grief and a huge decline in the population in the country"?

          Quote: Sapsan136
          Those who fled to South Korea from North often hang themselves.

          On the pages of the yellow press. But in fact, nothing of the kind.

          Quote: Sapsan136
          that life in the USA itself, for the bulk of the population, is far from sugar ...

          The whole world, with rare exceptions, only dreams of such "no sugar".

          Quote: Sapsan136
          They live there rather poorly

          Gee-gee-gee. The richest population in the world (after the Swiss) is in poverty.

          Quote: Sapsan136
          on credit and sometimes die in old age, never paying off loans ...

          But does this somehow mean that they live poorly?
          How and why does this characterize their life on the bad side?

          Quote: Sapsan136
          Here I calculated how much meat can be bought for an engineer’s salary in the USA and converted its cost into rubles, at a price per kilo of meat in the Russian Federation ... It turned out that in the USA they live on 18000 rubles a month, which is somehow not rich, to say the least .. .

          Counting business, this is not yours. And don’t even dare to count anything else.
          Maybe you have a toe somewhere lost.
          1. +1
            25 June 2019 07: 42
            To put it mildly, the US population is far away from Switzerland ... but against the backdrop of Mexico, where you can be killed and robbed while standing at the crossroads and waiting for the green light, not only the United States, but Romania is a paradise on Earth ...
            1. -1
              25 June 2019 21: 15
              Quote: Sapsan136
              To the US population, the Swiss population is, to put it mildly, far ...

              Only in your fantasies.
              In fact, the welfare of the average American is 96,9% of the average Swiss. Of course, it would be nice to adjust this indicator to coefficient. Gini But the numbers are too lazy to look, so it will do.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              and against the background of Mexico, where you can be killed and robbed while standing at the crossroads and waiting for the green light

              Did this smart dude tell you on TV? Have you been to Mexico yourself? Confused Mexico with anyone?
              Do not believe the dude. And henceforth be more careful with your memory.
              1. +1
                25 June 2019 21: 17
                If you are such a fan of the USA, what have you forgotten here in the Russian Federation? Pack your bag and go, luckily, to the USA ... I was there (Anchorage, Alaska) and not impressed ... In Mexico, I was ...
                1. -1
                  25 June 2019 21: 20
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  If you are such a fan of the USA

                  And who told you that I am a fan of the United States? For some reason, you came up with this for yourself.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  I was there (Anchorage Alaska) and not impressed ...

                  Not horse feed, apparently.
                  1. +1
                    25 June 2019 21: 37
                    So you are repeating the pseudo-historical nonsense of American education ... And you, I see, you haven’t been to the USA either to Mexico, but you are sure that you know everything about them ... Echo of Moscow listen less ... By the way, the Jews working there in No one is holding Russia by force, they can go to Israel and live there happily, and not engage in masochism in Russia that they hate ...
                    1. -3
                      25 June 2019 22: 16
                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      And you, I see, you haven’t been to the USA and Mexico too, but you are sure that you know everything about them ...

                      No, well, that you confused Mexico with Venezuela, I guessed right away.
                      And where only I have not been in my whole life. I’m tired of listing.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      By the way, no one keeps the Jews working there in Russia by force; they can go to Israel and live there happily, and not engage in masochism in Russia that they hate ...

                      Be sure to write a letter of recommendation to them. How do they live and what do they do.
                      It can even be published. Somewhere on the toilet wall.
                      1. +2
                        26 June 2019 11: 19
                        Here's what to do to people who are not related to the indigenous population of Russia (and the indigenous population of Russia are people who do not have their own national states outside the Russian Federation), so this is not to teach the indigenous population of Russia to live on its land ... Neither in the USA nor in Mexico do you weren’t, I understand ... You’re the next (miracle) of their Echo of Moscow ... Why don’t you, with Yavlinsky, go to your native Lviv, or is there no problem there ?!
                      2. -2
                        26 June 2019 12: 05
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        so it’s not to teach the indigenous population of Russia to live on its land ...

                        As for "teaching", then God forbid you with such thoughts in your head to live to see the bourgeois revolution in Russia. Moreover, this is an objective historical process, from which there is no escape (unless Russia is destroyed). Of course this event VERY the distant future, because today Russia is not ready for entry into bourgeois society. So far, it cannot really enter feudal society. Therefore, specifically to you (and the modern population of Russia), the bourgeois revolution in Russia does not threaten anything. During your life, most likely it will not be in Russia.
                        But this is a lot of blood. So it was in all countries (France, Germany, Italy, etc.), the enemies of the bourgeois revolution were simply physically destroyed. In large quantities. And the bourgeois revolutions won there.
                        Kerensky (probably the most unsuitable dictator of all possible) at one time in Petrograd did not hang "revolutionaries" on every pillar. And look what eventually happened to Russia. What did the "revolutionaries" do to her (and in reality, of course, they were the dumb reactionaries).
                        Therefore, you need to learn from all examples. Including and foreign.
                        Yes, I almost forgot. The interphase period will end sooner or later (this is an objective process). And Russia will enter full-fledged feudal TVET (I would like to hope so, since the only alternative is a rollback to slave-owning TPO). No matter how liberals (and today it is the dominant and actually positive force that advances society in Russia along the civilizational ladder) do not recall the acts of ideological gurus (Bolshevik-Stalinists) in the 30s of the last century. This is unlikely, but in life everything can be ...

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        I got what you mean..

                        No, understand, this is not yours.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        do not go to your native Lviv

                        I've never been there. You didn’t guess again.
                        And what, do you have any complaints to Lviv?
                      3. +1
                        26 June 2019 13: 18
                        A scoop is not a nationality, it is a political view ... by the way, it’s not the worst, although I don’t adhere to it ... But people like the Yavlinsky, with their political views, are not Russians and enemies of the people (indigenous people of the Russian Federation) and Of Russia.
                      4. -2
                        26 June 2019 14: 09
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        A scoop is not a nationality, it is a political view ...

                        The multi-layered society is normal. It exists in all countries of the world. The main question is the percentage of each of the "layers".

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        But such as the Yavlinsky, with their political views, these are not Russians and enemies of the people (the indigenous population of the Russian Federation) and Russia.

                        I am not interested in the topic of "Russia's enemies". And I'm not ready to discuss it.
                      5. +1
                        26 June 2019 14: 12
                        Now you are no longer Russian, but a Tatar, a Bashkir, or God knows who ... And I immediately knew who you were ... By the way, in Tatarstan, it’s not Tatars who muddied the water, but visitors, also Russians, who call themselves Tatars, but even not standing next to them ... I have relatives in Kazan ... I know ...
                      6. -3
                        26 June 2019 14: 17
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        Now you are no longer Russian, but a Tatar, a Bashkir, or God knows who ...

                        Those. again, you traditionally do not understand what they write to you about.
                        Is your native language Russian for you? Or do you use computer translation?

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        And I immediately realized who you are ...

                        No, as far as I see, you don’t understand this. There is a special problem with the device.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        I have relatives in Kazan ...

                        Happy for you. But you are past again. Do not understand the meaning of written in Russian.
                      7. +1
                        26 June 2019 15: 00
                        In Ukraine, it is full of Bandera people who do not know the Ukrainian language, this does not make these Raguli Russians ...
                      8. -3
                        26 June 2019 16: 38
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        In Ukraine, it is full of Bandera people who do not know the Ukrainian language, this does not make these Raguli Russians ..

                        You clearly do not understand the meaning of what is written in Russian. Therefore, writing to you is useless.
                      9. 0
                        26 June 2019 21: 35
                        So don’t write. Everything is clear and not interesting to me.
  9. -3
    20 June 2019 12: 13
    The tantrum continues - “They want to attack us !!! Damned endos! ” :))) Why? What’s the purpose of attacking you? To conquer you and then feed 146 million rogue people? You are simply afraid, as the inadequate Gopniks are afraid, and therefore they are trying to be ready for any development of events.
    1. -1
      20 June 2019 18: 10
      Fool, you are Nathan, it’s better to worry about the lack of quality water and, therefore, in the short term, malnutrition in your homeland, Russia will always be able to feed itself, it has everything for this that cannot be said about most other states, but inappropriate gopniks in the Middle The East is incomparably more today, so be afraid of your environment !!!
      1. +1
        21 June 2019 00: 34
        Maybe there where you live and there is a problem with poor-quality water, but in Israel everything is fine. We not only have enough water, but also deliver it to Jordan, and also we drink orphans and hungry people from Gaza and the West Bank. it’s funny to read. I’ve never seen Israeli carrots, radishes, etc. in Russian stores? Well, we also know what to do with inadequate gopniks — how many times we have joined together, received luli, and then ran together to cry in the UN. And that’s typical, even the great and mighty did not help, although he tried his best, and even participation val.Da that more interesting - Russia is such a strong and rich, and in the UN ranking of life expectancy is today at 126 meste.Izrail is never out of the first desyatki.Pochemu would it?
        1. +2
          21 June 2019 17: 59
          I know little about Israel, but from what I know, the country takes care of its inhabitants and does not give adversaries an insult.
          Respect and respect however good
  10. +2
    24 June 2019 18: 54
    In this case, the strike on Kaliningrad must be answered with a nuclear strike on Warsaw, this will knock the crap out of the US European allies right away ... and the USA will show that Russia is not Iraq and it will fight with the USA to the last American ... defending its borders.