The United States embarked on the path of self-destruction: five proofs

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The current owner of the White House is already frightening his own compatriots by the fact that if they decide not to re-elect him next year, then they will have a "collapse of markets that no one has ever seen." He calls on fellow citizens to "keep America great" by voting for Trump and only for him, and in the meantime, the fluffy polar fox is already approaching the United States. And from the side where it least expected. Most likely, there will be no “great America” - since the Americans themselves might not become in a fairly short time. Do not believe? We will show you the evidence now, and how much weight they are, decide for yourself.





The largest military budget in the world, the launch of new aircraft carriers and the production of fifth-generation fighters, record-breaking oil and gas production, the dominance of the US national unit in the global financial system and global markets are, of course, solid and impressive. However, all these attributes of "greatness", which, according to Washington, give all the reasons for claims for world domination, are unlikely to save the United States from terrible "ailments" devouring them from the inside. What does Fort Knox’s nuclear arsenals and gold placers mean if the main wealth, strength and support of any state - its people embarked on the path of self-destruction and seem to be not going to turn off it? Donald Trump dreams of a "great America", but looking more closely, we see a completely different thing.

1. Endangered America


The United States is showing not just poor population growth rates, but catastrophic ones. According to a published government report on the situation in the field of demography, the birth rate in the country in 2018 fell to its lowest level in 32 years. Compared to the previous year, it decreased by 2%. Her indicator averaged 59 children per 1 women, while mothers aged 15 to 44 years were taken into account. Generally speaking, since 1980, an increasing number of women in labor in the United States have been just women over 40. This trend is relevant not only for white women, but also for women from all other races and peoples living in the United States. Moreover, demographers are deeply perplexed by the fact that the decline in fertility is observed against the backdrop of economic growth, although usually it gives exactly the opposite results.

Obviously, it's not just about the economy. In the 50-60s of the last century, the United States experienced a "baby boom" And the number of newborns per woman was first 3.3 babies, and then increased to 3.6. However, since 2016, this indicator is no more than 1.7 children per potential mother. Moreover, according to the canons of demography, it is believed that a constant population of the state’s population persists if for every woman in it there are at least 2.1 children. Since 2014, the birth rate in the United States has been falling and has not grown into a process of real depopulation just because of the constant influx of immigrants. According to all forecasts, if this trend continues, the representatives of the white race will become an American national minority by 2045. Now such a result is evident in at least four states and, practically, in all major cities. Since 2010, white non-Hispanic citizens have been a minority in 372 US counties.

2. America killing itself


No less shocking is the report of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, dedicated to the increase in mortality of citizens of the country from alcohol, drugs and suicides. Since 1999, the number of Americans who have gone to a world different from these causes has been steadily growing at 4% annually. Moreover, this indicator has a tendency to increase - in 2017 (46.6 deaths per 100 thousand people), for example, it amounted to all 6%, and in previous years it was even higher. Speaking specifically about suicides, the rate of increase in the number of suicides in the US over the past decade has doubled compared to the previous one. In 2017, the United States set another sad “record” - there was a peak in cases of deaths from firearms.

In absolute terms, it looks like this: about 40 thousand people died from gunshot wounds in the country, and about 24 thousand of them committed suicide. The suicide rate has become the highest in 18 years. If we talk about the number of those among young people under the age of 34 years, then since the beginning of the 21st century it has increased by 28%. The American psychologist, Benjamin Miller, who is the director of the organization's Well-being Fund strategy statement, said: “Our attempts to solve this problem are a joke. Things are getting worse ... "

3. Sick America


The United States, which has long been considered the country with the highest level of medical care (which, incidentally, was a rather controversial statement from the very beginning), risks becoming a state of totally sick people. In 2018, more than 65 million Americans could not go to the doctors, because they simply did not have money for it. Those who decided to improve their health literally at all costs were forced to go deep in debt - in the same year, according to a study conducted by West Health-Gallup, US residents received loans worth $ 88 billion for their own treatment! Almost every eighth American was forced to resort to this method. At the same time, 45% of state citizens with a fairly stable and considerable income are convinced that the need to consult doctors for a serious reason will bankrupt them and turn them into beggars. Generally speaking, according to official federal data, people in the United States spend $ 3.5 trillion on healthcare every year.

However, this is only one side of the issue. In just six years, the United States is facing a shortage of almost 2 and a half million medical workers! The process is visible to the naked eye and now - doctors, nurses, laboratory assistants are lacking everywhere, especially in the American "outback". If in cities for every 100 thousand of the population there are more than 200 doctors, then in rural areas the ratio is already 82 Aesculapius per 100 thousand inhabitants. Not only that - 15% of nurses and about a quarter of the main health workers available are migrants (there’s no getting away from them!), Because the youth in the United States themselves, the farther away, the less they seek to get a medical profession. Long (on average, 10 years), expensive (training will cost from 150 to 400 thousand dollars) and too much responsibility. The problem is compounded by the fact that medical degrees issued in other countries are categorically not recognized in the United States. You have to relearn, get a certificate. The problems are the same - long, expensive and no guarantee what happens at all. With such tendencies, Americans will soon have to remember healers and midwives.

4. Poor America


However paradoxical this may sound to someone (especially witnesses to the sect of the "American Promised Land" still encountered in our latitudes), the bulk of the US population is by no means richer. Living in eternal debt is deeply wrong, and more and more Americans are forced to exist that way. According to the US Federal Reserve, the amount of debt of local citizens on only one credit card, which is in circulation in the country about 480 million, in 2018 amounted to $ 870 billion and became the largest in the history of the United States. The total amount of American debts — along with mortgages, student loans, and the medical services mentioned above — reached an astronomical sum of $ 13.5 trillion, which again is an extremely sad record. Moreover, a third of debtors are people over 60 years old. To the question of the "wealthy and well-fed old age of the Americans" ...

All “OK” is only in one and a half to two hundred thousand families, which (according to the University of California) own about a quarter of the US national wealth. They certainly do not have credit card debts ... Most of all ordinary Americans are worried by the fact that, most likely, their children never get into this "club of the chosen ones". The “social elevators” that really worked perfectly in the country at one time have long been covered with rust and are desperately slipping. This is illustrated by the following figures: in 1985, more than half of the students in the most elite educational institutions in the United States were, as they say, from the very “bottom”. Since 2010, this figure has dropped to one third and has been steadily falling. Moreover, some American economists are sure that the system of an ever-increasing increase in the cost of higher education in the country and the outrageous “student debts” caused by it in the not-so-distant future promise the United States a crisis cleaner than a memorable mortgage.

5. America, lost value


The “true American values”, which are so fond of ranting from the high tribunes in Washington, to put it mildly, are not the same anymore ... A country that has played in “tolerance” and “tolerance” is reaping quite natural fruits. What kind? This is evidenced, for example, by the fact that the most dirty and vile scandals that are being played now in the United States are connected with institutions that would seem to be the pillars of statehood, its unshakable pillars. Thus, according to a report published by the Pentagon, the amount of sexual harassment in the US Army in 2018 was almost 40% higher than in 2016. Only official statements in this regard, the military filed 20 and a half thousand. And how much is left “under the cover"? Acting head of the department Patrick Shanahan called the situation "unacceptable" and promised shame and debauchery to "decisively eradicate". Here are just a little hard to believe ...

This spring, for Americans, the press conferences held in New York and New Jersey were a real shock. At them, representatives of a law firm specializing in cases of violence against children published lists of hundreds of pedophiles from the organization ... Boy Scouts of America! Moreover, according to lawyers, the names announced by them are just a tiny part of the list, in which there are more than 7800 names of only the leaders of this organization, for which there is evidence of violence against children. The worst thing is that the first such cases, it turns out, were recorded back in the 40s of the last century. However, not a single pedophile has appeared before the court in the history of the scout movement in the United States. The fact that the disclosed data is not a slander or public relations attempt at a cheap sensation proves the official statement by the Boy Scouts of America made after press conferences. In it, the organization’s representatives “sincerely apologize to all the victims” and confirm their readiness to “pay significant compensation. But scouts are one of the main symbols of the "American way of life" and the "values" there ...

The above is not propaganda at all. All data is taken exclusively from open official sources made public in the United States. And, by the way, about the "economic prosperity" ... Morgan Stanley analysts (a reputable, like, office, right?) Give 40% to the fact that the recession in the American economy will begin in the second half of this year - and just thanks to the “arts” of Donald Trump, such as a “trade war” with China. However, they talked about the 80% probability of an economic recession in the United States for three years back in October last year. The United States really came close to the fateful line. However, in no way do I see a reason for gloating here. If only because a mortally wounded beast (and even with obvious signs of rabies) becomes more dangerous for everyone around ...
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  1. -4
    17 June 2019 08: 53
    Yes, I still do not have enough to refer to the Mexican newspapers - everything is bad, bad, bad ...

    Well, our elite is happy to live there, travels for treatment, but laughs at similar news ....

    The type of decline-decline, and 3% growth of the "Real Economy", the terrible Trump allegedly provided, according to our media ...
    1. +5
      17 June 2019 09: 24
      And what do you think is a "real economy" if it accounted for 22% of the GDP of the States - it does, and everything else is a service sector ???
      1. -2
        17 June 2019 11: 47
        Quote: YUG64
        And what do you think is a "real economy" if it accounted for 22% of the GDP of the States - it does, and everything else is a service sector ???

        You pay less attention to such a crafty indicator as GDP. Since the state’s GDP (most often any) in our age of globalization, this is a dummy.
        Let me explain.
        A businessman from the USA is building a shit factory in China. And then he sells this shit all over the world through his distribution network. The plant brings $ 100 million in export revenue. Then, after deducting overhead expenses (salary, rent, taxes), the businessman returns 50 million per year of profit to the USA.
        And what do we end up with?
        China, purely on paper, receives 100 million to its GDP. And everyone says to him "Wah!" Although in fact it has 50 million to GDP.
        The US has nothing to do with GDP "on paper". Zero. Although they actually have 50 million.
        This is approximately the case.
        Since production abroad can be withdrawn, but the service sector is impossible, the US economy allegedly has a disproportion in the service sector. Although in reality this is not so. Just American production is most often located outside the United States.
        Not so in fact with the ratio of the US public debt to its GDP (which is catastrophic, as it were). Since GDP is fake.
        And this situation is not only the United States, it is practically the whole world.
        In some countries (USA, Europe, Japan, and several more), GDP is very underestimated.
        In some countries (China, India, etc.) it is overpriced.
        And you simply will not see the real picture of the world.
        Is it possible to see what is really happening in the world today? Who is rich and who is poor?
        Can.
        For this, there are indicators net per capita financial assets (in the context of the population of countries) and net financial assets (in the context of countries).
        Here is what the world picture looks like on December 31.12.2017, XNUMX in terms of net financial assets (in terms of countries):

        1 USA 31,06%
        2 China 10,90%
        3 Japan 6,66%
        4 United Kingdom 3,09%
        5 Germany 2,44%
        6 France 2,18%
        7 Italy 1,98%
        8 Canada 1,82%
        9 Taiwan 1,21%
        10Australia 1,00%
        .............
        19 Mexico 0,41%
        20 Russia 0,38%
        21 Israel 0,32%
        .............
        49 Ukraine 0,013%
        ..........
        52 Kazakhstan 0,008%
        .........
        World 100%
        Here is what the world picture looks like on December 31.12.2017, XNUMX in the context of net per capita financial assets (in terms of the population of countries):

        1 Switzerland 745,8%
        2 USA 722,8%
        3 Sweden 421,7%
        4 Netherlands 411,0%
        5 Belgium 401,1%
        6 Japan 394,3%
        7 Singapore 388,6%
        8 Taiwan 386,9%
        9 Denmark 378,4%
        10 Canada 374,6%
        ...............
        25 Chile 73,7% (the country with the richest population in Latin America, "the heavy legacy of the bloody dictator Pinochet")
        ............
        29 Estonia 58,9%
        30 China 58,0%
        ...........
        32 Latvia 47,2%
        ...........
        34 Lithuania 42,2%
        ............
        41 Mexico 24,0%
        42 Russia 19,7%
        43Romania 19,4%
        ..............
        51 Kazakhstan 3,1%
        ................
        53 Ukraine 2,3%
        ........
        World (average) 100%
        1. -3
          17 June 2019 12: 09
          The United States embarked on the path of self-destruction: five proofs

          At least 5, at least 55.
          In fact, ANY empire immediately after its formation takes the path of self-destruction. And sooner or later it will self-destruct. If others do not help do it before.
          USA neo-empire. Therefore, it expects all the same that awaits and expects all the empire, the destruction. Self-destruction or with the help of others, this is a question for grandmother Wang or grandfather Nostradamus.
          But the process of self-destruction of an empire (in any form), it can be a very long process. Far from one human life long. Therefore, it is not worth taking such prospects seriously "right tomorrow".
        2. -4
          17 June 2019 12: 20
          An interesting, in my opinion, addition to the top table:
          ...
          48 Lithuania 0,016%
          49 Ukraine 0,013%
          50 Latvia 0,012%
          51 Estonia 0,010%
          52 Kazakhstan 0,008%
          ...
        3. +6
          17 June 2019 13: 49
          What indicators did you give? what is he talking about?
          and about GDP, here is an example: an operation to remove appendicitis requires the same labor costs in Russia and the USA. In Russia, it costs 15000 rubles, and in the United States 40000 bucks. One operation added $ 230 to Russia's GDP and $ 40000 to US GDP. Any garbage, right? but that’s how it turns out!
          1. -3
            17 June 2019 14: 21
            Quote: maratkoRuEkb
            Why the hell is it?

            True. Therefore, one should not be interested in such nonsense as GDP.

            Quote: maratkoRuEkb
            What indicators did you give? what is he talking about?

            Everything is written there.
            That's just these indicators only need to be interested. They are showing:
            1. Roughly speaking, how much is this or that country.
            2. Compares the level of wealth of the population (average resident) of a country.
          2. +4
            18 June 2019 17: 52
            What indicators did you give? what is he talking about?

            There, without your questions, it is clear that a citizen scratched a balcony.
            Especially smiled about the "understatement and overstatement" of GDP. lol
            1. -5
              18 June 2019 18: 18
              Quote: gorbunov.vladisl
              Especially smiled about the "understatement and overstatement" of GDP.

              I already wrote to you that in the sandbox, where small and little children play, a lot of interesting and correct things "smile".
              And I already wrote about the fact that you should study.
              So, I confirm all this.
              1. +3
                19 June 2019 05: 33
                And I already wrote about the fact that you should study.

                Learning your stupidities can no longer be corrected. crying
                1. -1
                  19 June 2019 12: 00
                  Quote: gorbunov.vladisl
                  Learning your stupidities can no longer be corrected.

                  And in any way it is impossible to add the user to ignore? And then hooligan children are somehow not very interesting to me.
        4. +5
          17 June 2019 14: 04
          Of course, the net financial assets will always be greater for the one who prints money than for the one who makes them, but even in this case we can talk, for example, about media outlets that cost a lot of money but produce nothing but propaganda, industry entertainment, etc., related again to the service sector. I'm not talking about the exchange value of companies inflated by buy-backs to indecent sizes. Any ratings are conditional, including yours. Of course, in the current dollar-centric world, the picture is appropriate. But it is not eternal, as you understand.
          1. -5
            17 June 2019 14: 41
            Quote: YUG64
            Net financial assets

            Net financial assets are net financial assets after the conditional sale of all other assets. And the return of all debts.
            Those. in monetary terms, ALL assets are taken into account minus liabilities. The net financial result of a particular country. Figuratively speaking, "how much this or that country costs".

            Quote: YUG64
            But even in this case, we can talk, for example, about the media, which cost a lot of money but do not produce anything

            Do you believe that there is something that costs money but does not produce anything?
            All mass media most often have stocks (or indivisible shares). They cost some money. This is in monetary terms accounted for in assets.

            Quote: YUG64
            I'm not talking about the exchange value of companies inflated by buy-backs to indecent sizes.

            Have you decided to adjust the exchange value of companies? What for?
            Each company is on the exchange of the money that they pay for it. And it is not for you (and not for me) to decide whether its value is underestimated or overstated.

            Quote: YUG64
            Any ratings are conditional, including yours.

            These are not my ratings. These are German ratings. The Germans made of one oooooochen respected corporation. I do not have so many resources and employees.

            Quote: YUG64
            But it is not eternal, as you understand.

            100%. That is why the Germans make such reports every year. At the end of the year, some countries in the ranking "grow". And some "fall". The situation is not static. This is how the rating for 2016 looked like:

            1 USA 30,23%
            2 China 9,28%
            3 Japan 6,41%
            4 United Kingdom 2,88%
            5 Germany 2,11%
            6 France 1,90%
            7 Italy 1,71%
            8 Canada 1,67%
            9 Taiwan 1,13%
            10 India 0,88%
            11Australia 0,87%
            ...
            20 Israel 0,32%
            21 Russia 0,31%
            22 Singapore 0,27%
            ...
            Soon there will be data as of December 31.12.2018, XNUMX.
            By the way, it is clearly seen that the rich are getting richer. It’s easy to guess who is getting poorer.
            1. +7
              17 June 2019 14: 56
              You are a naive person. Yes, the media sometimes cost a lot of money without actually producing anything material. Is this big news for you? Well, google how much, for example, Facebook costs. And - “every company on the market is worth that money, what they will pay for it "- it's just epic ... This is technology. Now the Tesla bubble has finally begun to deflate, but perhaps a couple of months ago, when their shares were selling for 360 bucks, they were worth more than today, when their price - 214? What, in fact, has changed if in its entire history this company finished only two quarters without losses ??? Now PR is making market capitalization, that is, the very mass media. The circle is closed. But where is there any connection with reality ??? The German ratings you refer to are just as real ... If you want to see the world like this, it's your choice.
              1. -6
                17 June 2019 15: 06
                Quote: YUG64
                You are a naive person.

                Make no mistake about it.

                Quote: YUG64
                Yes, the media sometimes cost a lot of money without actually producing anything tangible.

                And who told you that it is possible (and necessary) to produce only something material?

                Quote: YUG64
                And - "every company on the market is worth the money they pay for it" - it's just epic ...

                Let it be epic. But this is the truth. The rest is just idle chatter.

                Quote: YUG64
                but was it a couple of months ago when their shares were sold at 360 bucks - they were worth more than today when their price is 214?

                Of course more. 168,2%. And what surprises you in this?

                Quote: YUG64
                What actually changed

                The most important thing has changed DEMAND.

                Quote: YUG64
                Now PR is making market capitalization, that is, the very media.

                Those. For some reason, do you consider strategic investors to be shameful suckers who manage their investments by reading the tabloid press?
                I assure you, you are mistaken.

                Quote: YUG64
                But where is there at least some connection with reality ???

                Exchange platforms have, well, a very close relationship with reality. Actually, they are reality. Economic.

                Quote: YUG64
                The German ratings to which you refer are just as real ...

                So far nothing better has been invented. It will be thought up, I will certainly inform you.
        5. +1
          19 June 2019 05: 58
          You pay less attention to such a crafty indicator as GDP. Since the state’s GDP (most often any) in our age of globalization, this is a dummy.

          At the World Bank and the IMF, apparently fools work. Each year, the ratings by GDP are. They have nothing to do. And they turn out to be "crafty". So you know the topic better than in these world organizations? You seem to have Napoleon's syndrome. lol
          Moreover, in the usual manner for you, you usually do not confirm all this nonsense.
          That is, should everyone take it on faith? Do you consider yourself a messiah? crying
          1. 0
            19 June 2019 12: 11
            Quote: Golden Box
            In the World Bank and the IMF, apparently fools are working.

            The fact of the matter is that they are not fools.

            Quote: Golden Box
            Each year, ratings for GDP are. Here they have nothing to do.

            It says why. Read it again.

            Quote: Golden Box
            You look like Napoleon’s syndrome.

            Yeah. Bonaparte.

            Quote: Golden Box
            Moreover, in the usual manner for you, you usually do not confirm all this nonsense.

            Those. like this, do not confirm? I wrote what indicator to rely on to correctly understand the current state of the world economy. If you cannot find the numbers yourself, this is your problem. Search.

            Quote: Golden Box
            That is, should everyone take it on faith?

            And again, look. I wrote that these figures were not calculated by me. I do not have such capabilities and such personnel.

            Quote: Golden Box
            Do you consider yourself a messiah?

            I do not have your habits.
            Watch TV less.
            And learn.
            Then you will not need to explain common truths.
            1. +4
              20 June 2019 15: 46
              Then you will not need to explain common truths.

              That is, you once again declined to answer questions clarifying your opinion. And can you justify anything earlier said? crying
      2. +6
        18 June 2019 22: 45
        No, for the most part, these are not even services, this is the so-called "capitalization" - pieces of paper on the stock exchange, which gain their price by artificial transfer from one pocket to another and by issuing collateral and loans to themselves, and new "valuable paper "and so on ...
        1. -7
          18 June 2019 23: 10
          Quote: Pyshenkov
          pieces of paper on the exchange, which gain their price by artificial translation

          It does not matter. It is important that for these "pieces of paper" they pay quite real money. And once they pay, then they cost so much.
          1. +6
            18 June 2019 23: 19
            Yeah, MMM shares, for example, also cost ... for a while. And Enron corporations were very expensive ... And mortgage funds in the United States - in the 90s were considered one of the most reliable investments in the world ... It's all a game. The one who did not jump off in time lost. And those who play big know the real cost of all this best. That is why they play on the stock exchange, and the real money that was reclaimed there is invested in other assets, more tangible ... And they also recommend to suckers to "invest" in their securities ...
            1. -6
              18 June 2019 23: 30
              Quote: Pyshenkov
              MMM shares, for example, were also worth ... for a while.

              Since they were given money for them, it means they were worth it.
              Stopped giving money, stopped costing.
              It's simple.

              Quote: Pyshenkov
              And the real price of all this, those who play big, know best.

              The real price is the price that is currently being paid for a particular product. This price may (and even more often than not) will change over time. Depending on the supply and demand for this product.
              This is how the market works.

              Quote: Pyshenkov
              Therefore, they play on the stock exchange, while the real money laundered there is invested in other assets, more tangible ...

              These are less risky assets. You will not earn much on them. But, in which case, you will not fly by much.
              But there are much more risky assets on the exchange. With these, it's the other way around. For every taste.

              Quote: Pyshenkov
              And they also recommend suckers to "invest" in their securities ...

              They do not recommend suckers. Just suckers often have no money. And precisely because they are suckers. Therefore, they have nothing to invest.
              1. +7
                19 June 2019 00: 13
                No. Fuckers invest. They make this "value" with their real money. And then they cry and tear their hair, having lost their "state".
                I do not need to read lectures on the structure of the exchange and the market, I have an idea about this. Marx explained this very well, and was right, as it turns out.

                Since they were given money for them, it means they were worth it.
                Stopped giving money, stopped costing.
                It's simple.

                It's really simple. But you have a wrong idea of ​​value. If something is worth it, then tomorrow it cannot stop costing without being physically destroyed, for example .. If a certain amount is given for something, this does not mean that this item is worth that much. Gypsies also sell fake gold in the markets, some buy for the price of real gold, but this does not mean that it costs so much. If it is very primitive, it means that the next sucker was bred into bullshit. Some people call this bullshit an "asset", its real price is more difficult to hide and is determined longer than that of bullshit gold. But its real value does not change from a beautiful name. The instant price for which this bullshit can be sold is changing. Here's another example for you: there is a house in the city, today it costs $ 1 million. If the house is sold, then for 1 million you can buy a certain number of goods, food for example, or cars. Tomorrow there was a crisis, currencies and stock exchanges collapsed, papers (assets) became just pieces of paper, prices, including real estate, fell (or rose). But the house remained a home, you can live in it, rent it out, and if you sell it for a greater or lesser amount (after the crisis), then, as a rule, you can buy about the same amount of goods (food or cars) with the money raised as before crisis. That is, its cost relative to other material items remained +/- unchanged. And the "asset" was only possible to wipe the ass. So what is the real cost?
                1. -6
                  19 June 2019 00: 42
                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  Fuckers invest. They make this "value" with their real money.

                  Well, you want to call small investors suckers, call.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  And then they cry and tear their hair, having lost their "state".

                  Small investors invest small amounts. In order to get tangible profit from these small amounts, they are invested, as a rule, in high-risk papers. This market requires increased professionalism, so the vast majority of inexperienced small investors there flies past the box office. But there are those who are welded.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  Marx explained this very well, and was right, as it turns out.

                  About what? What about the behavior of the capitalist depending on the rate of return?
                  So to write platitudes, a big mind is not necessary. And to grow a beard for this is not necessary.
                  And then, this is not economics, this is psychology. Monya Kant (from Kaliningrad) wrote much more abruptly on this topic.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  But you have a misconception about value.

                  I wrote about the price.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  linden gold, some buy for the price of the present, but this does not mean that it costs so much.

                  At the time of this transaction, this is the real price of this product. And no matter how and from what it was formed.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  The instant price for which this bullshit can be varied varies.

                  What you call bullshit for someone else may not be bullshit at all.
                  How to determine which of you is right?
                  Very simple to sell this product. And already its price will tell you whether it was bullshit or not.
                  You somehow confuse primary, putting subjective in the first place. And this is wrong. It is necessary to think and act objectively.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  That is, its cost relative to other material items remained +/- unchanged. And the "asset" was only possible to wipe the ass.

                  Another example, a meteorite hit the house, but it was not insured. And the money would be safe and sound.
                  There was a short circuit, the house burned down, but he was not insured. And the money would be safe and sound.
                  More examples of force majeure?
                  Yes, and one more thing. It is inconvenient to wipe the ass with coal. Therefore, cash (cash, not cash cash surrogates) is a less risky asset.
                  Unfortunately, people poorly understand the difference between money and money substitutes. Therefore, this often burns out.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  So what has a real price?

                  Everything that’s what a purchase and sale transaction is made at every moment of time.
                  1. +3
                    19 June 2019 09: 33
                    I am a materialist, and you are a marketer. The approaches are different, apparently the time of getting an education. Cases of force majeure should not be given as an example. This is not that. In this case, we are talking about the principles of the structure of the real and exchange economies and about their differences in pure mathematics. Force Majeure - wars, revolutions, disasters, etc. It is already real life, not mathematics, and other laws, including economic ones. And in real life, and from 2 + 2, the result is also not always 4. And the money is not saved again, as you put it, they tend to depreciate at all (look at the history of all major wars) in favor of an almost in-kind exchange of real material values.
                    You have used the term "real price" and this is a mistake. This is the main problem of the modern "stock economy". Mixing the concepts of the REAL price of an asset and its INSTANT EXCHANGE PRICE is one and the same for the market. And this is not at all true. I'm not saying that absolutely all shares traded on stock exchanges, shares in companies, etc., are absolute bullshit. Of course not, these things most often really have their real price - the volume of a share, for example, in the ownership of an object or enterprise, but as a result of various manipulations, their EXCHANGE price often differs from the REAL one at times. This is the problem. And it is at the EXCHANGE price at the moment that loans are issued, various "capitalization growths" and the like are considered from it. And it is this that is a time bomb in our modern life.
                    And the real price of bullshit gold from the market gypsies will still remain about zero, even if someone managed to resell it several times for much more money. And sooner or later it will come out anyway. And the one who will be the last with this "gold" will be a fool.
                    1. -5
                      19 June 2019 11: 57
                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      I am a materialist, and you are a marketer.

                      What does the "market man" have to do with it? I just assert that each thing at the time of the purchase and sale transaction with it is worth the money that is paid for it.
                      If the transaction is without crime, of course.
                      At the same time, again I affirm that in 1 second. after the transaction, the price of the same thing may change. You don’t have to go far for examples; take the price of a new car from a car dealership. In a car dealership for a car, one price, after purchase, immediately, at the time of transfer of the goods, is another. And this is normal.

                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      they, as a rule, depreciate in general (look at the history of all major wars) in favor of an almost natural exchange of real material values.

                      The planned annual SMALL inflation of money is an integral mechanism for the normal functioning of a market economy. Without such inflation (during deflation), this economy will very quickly dream of kirdyk.

                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      This is the main problem of the modern "stock economy".

                      In fact, I do not see any problems with her. It blooms and smells. A periodic structural crises, so this is a pre-planned GOOD. During these periods, there was a RE-adjustment of the market structure. After which he fun and confidently develops further.
                      That's how it all works.

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                      And this is not at all true.

                      There are NO other mechanisms. NOT INVENTED.
                      The Bolshevik Communists tried to come up with an alternative to this mechanism based on the ancient mechanisms of the slaveholding OEF. Having brought there a powerful (even the most powerful) theocratic component. Why would I call their mechanisms not even so much slaveholding as theocratic. As in all totalitarian sects, but on a larger scale, on the scale of the whole state.
                      Tell where now this is their very USSR?

                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      but as a result of various manipulations, their EXCHANGE price is often many times different from the REAL.

                      Who established and sets this "real price"? Secretary of the regional committee-regional committee or the comrade people's commissar-minister?
                      Once again, I repeat, you do not need to interfere with the subjective in objective processes. Recently they have already intervened, and actively, it all ended in FAILURE.

                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      And it is at the EXCHANGE price at the moment that loans are issued, from which various "capitalization increases" and similar things are considered.

                      And what's wrong with that? All right, all right.

                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      And this is exactly what is a time bomb in our modern life.

                      You watch less TV, you look, and there will be fewer such "mines" in your life. Develop the skills of a small investor (a sucker, in your terminology). And invest your personal finances (if you have something to invest besides current expenses) wisely. And you will be happy.
                      And you don’t need to nod at the system (mirror actually). She is imperfect. But this (the so-called capitalism) is the BEST that is invented by mankind today.
                      Yes, and one more thing, I don’t know where you live. But a HUGE number of countries still need to live up to this (bourgeois) system. To grow. In the meantime, their residents have to be content with PREVIOUS OEF. In particular, most often, feudal. In the feudal system (OEF), you can also live. But harder and, more often, poorer. There, the economic behavior of the population should be somewhat different from the economic behavior of the population of the country living in the bourgeois OEF. It is understandable, because the economic foundations of these OEF are different.

                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      And the one who will be the last with this "gold" will be a fool.

                      I just started to worry about these.
                      1. +2
                        19 June 2019 14: 56
                        You absolutely mix concepts. Namely, objective and subjective things. The price at the time of sale is subjective, the price relative to other material substances is objective.
                        If we proceed from your terms, that the crisis is a blessing (the suckers will go bust and we’re going further), then wars are the same blessing - the cleaning and regulation of the population and resources, so what? But this is in principle correct, from the point of view of natural selection in nature, an objective factor, and you are building on this a theory, as if confirming the functioning of exclusively created illusory mechanisms. After all, crises are the "collapse" of these artificially inflated bubbles. It's like my example with bullshit gold above - it's just that at a certain stage someone comes to mind to make an examination, and not believe the admonitions of "investment consultants", and everything immediately falls down ... Including banks that issued loans secured by non-existent values, and the welfare of quite ordinary people who have entrusted them with their savings or, even worse, given them the property to manage ... And the material values ​​themselves remain where they were and in an unchanged form, also collapses with banks.
                        As for other economic mechanisms, they have been invented, tested and proved extremely successful, more successful than everything that existed in the world before and everything that later and now. Ideology failed. Everyone rejects it and is still afraid to use the experience of Nazi Germany. The Chinese have begun slowly - and we see the result. Judging by what and how much you write here, you have a lot of time - do not be lazy to study.
                        Where I live is written in my profile, but I have lived and worked in many places, including in the states of the most developed capitalism and its inception, and this is what finally confirmed me in all this. There, the process of degradation of society has already gone very far. By the way, the economy of the most capitalist and market of all market countries - the United States - exists just in spite of all your theories of "market self-regulation of the market", explain how? The United States has long been bankrupt on all counts, and everyone can see it, so where is the "cleansing benefit" default? Why is everyone still investing in their government bonds? And because completely different factors are at work there, and not at all market ones - an objective force, literally physical.
                        Yes, at the moment there is no other system in the world in practice, but it has already come to its edge. Everyone understands that it is necessary to change, but they are afraid of alternatives, because the rich will lose most of their wealth in the process of this, in your opinion, the most "beneficial" final structural crisis. The system will change, for which I don't know, but it will change. Much longer than the modern "exchange economy" has existed, people believed that the Earth was flat and stood either on elephants, or on whales, or on turtles, etc. And everyone was sure of this and did not think that something was possible. something else. Until someone stopped believing the "experts" and just physically tried to reach the edge and realized that it was not there, and the Earth was a ball ...
                        And in my life there are no "mines", economic at least. Because I have no shares, no loans, no mortgages, leases and other "benefits" of a market economy. I'm not playing this. But there is quite a sufficient amount of quite material values. wink And I'm definitely not going to develop any "skills of a small investor" in myself laughing If you invest so big and in worthwhile things.
                        The Russian language is great and wise, and it contains the expression "to play on the stock exchange", as well as to play in a casino, tote, play cards, etc. Nobody says "I made money in a casino" because this is nonsense, they say won. It's the same with the stock exchange. Lucky - won, unlucky - goof ... But this is not a job and, in general, not an economy. It's a game built on this economy, but nothing more ...
                      2. 0
                        19 June 2019 15: 00
                        PS ... more on this topic, I apologize, but I will not answer. Tired in kind No. expressed their opinions, but it is useless to convince each other, and it’s not here hi
                      3. -1
                        19 June 2019 15: 20
                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        expressed their opinions, but to persuade each other is useless

                        I agree. drinks
                      4. -3
                        19 June 2019 15: 43
                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        As for other economic mechanisms, they have been invented, tested and proved extremely successful, more successful than everything that existed in the world before and everything that later and now. Ideology failed. Everyone rejects it and is still afraid to use the experience of Nazi Germany. The Chinese have begun slowly - and we see the result.

                        Well, it’s not a secret that a nation state will ALWAYS be more stable than a patchwork quilt empire. And in general, the future belongs to national states.
                        That is why the experience of nation-states (not only Germans) is not applicable to China. China is an empire. Patchwork. Which will fall apart sooner or later. Most likely early, of course.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        By the way, the economy of the most capitalist and market of all market countries - the United States - exists just in spite of all your theories of "market self-regulation of the market", explain how?

                        This is far from the case.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        The United States has long been bankrupt on all counts, and everyone can see it, so where is the "cleansing benefit" default?

                        And this is not so. Read about GDP in my profile. It says briefly and clearly why this is not so.
                        And then, I did not write anything about default. I wrote about structural crisis. And this is different.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Why is everyone still investing in their government bonds?

                        Because today it is the most reliable investment of those that are.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        completely different factors work there, and not at all market ones - objective force, literally physical.

                        Do not fantasize.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Everyone understands that they need to change, but they are afraid of alternatives,

                        Revolutions occur regardless of fear or not fear.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        The system will change, for which I do not know, but it will change.

                        To do this, it is not necessary to be a prophet. This is so clear.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        But there is quite a sufficient amount of material assets

                        Material values ​​in times of crisis also tend to depreciate in money.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        it contains the expression "to play on the stock exchange", as well as to play in a casino, tote, play cards, etc.

                        In fact, these are all different games. At a casino (at roulette) you are little dependent. In the cards or on the exchange, you can fully rely on your own strengths.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Nobody says "I made money in the casino" because it is nonsense, they say I won. It's the same with the stock exchange.

                        Very many people say about the exchange.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        This is a game built on this economy, but nothing more ...

                        This is a job. For professionals. For fans, this can be fun.
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    3. +4
      18 June 2019 23: 27
      Drugs and prostitution boost UK GDP by 5%
      The same was done in the USA, which allowed them to add 3,6% to GDP in 2013.
  2. 0
    17 June 2019 09: 15
    Everything is relative. Attach these five signs to Russia and compare ...
    Birthrate
    Mortality
    Medicine
    Education
    Welfare
    I'm afraid that many will not like the result
    1. +2
      17 June 2019 13: 42
      Our birth rate is normal, medicine is inexpensive and affordable, education is inexpensive and affordable, and well-being is sufficient.
      I'm happy with the results.
      1. +1
        17 June 2019 21: 59
        Quote: maratkoRuEkb
        Our birth rate is normal.

        Now we have a recession. It's time to give birth to "babies of the 90s". In addition to the fact that they were not very ugly then, not all of them, in turn, are going to create families and give birth to children. I judge, among other things, by my daughter (26 years old), whose principle is something like this: "I'll get on my feet, then yes," yeah. Here is the demographic result.
  3. +6
    17 June 2019 10: 11
    There is no reason to gnaw, all this applies to us, and to the whole world as a whole. There is no reason to expect good. It's just that if the US economy really bends, then it will not seem to anyone. Their green money will turn into candy wrappers on which too much rests in this world. The question is how to make this process the least painful for everyone. Therefore, everyone rushed to stock up the gold coin and switch to settlements in their currencies. I think it’s shitty, but we will survive.
  4. -3
    17 June 2019 10: 52
    And how much do they pay for such propaganda garbage? Write a similar article about the Russian Federation. Hair stand on end. Bad work)
  5. +3
    17 June 2019 11: 35
    In the last century, there was a famine in both them and us. And in Europe, hunger, hyperinflation, in Germany.
    Today, another misfortune for everyone is drugs and licentiousness of youth. The lack of an image of the future. Will we also treat war?
  6. -4
    17 June 2019 22: 00
    Such trends are noticeable everywhere, but even in such a "bad" state, the US economy and people's lives are still better and more stable than in our country.
  7. +6
    18 June 2019 06: 45
    We started with demographics and finished ... Yes. Family values ​​are destroyed. But they are being destroyed all over the globe. You cannot see what you want to see. Who started to destroy farms in connection with the extraction of shale oil? Obama started and Trump continued. Where there is oppression of small companies, there can be no talk of a positive demographic in the country. But the trouble is that the "boundless domination of capitalism" is being introduced more and more into the personal lives of its citizens. And every action provokes opposition.
  8. -4
    18 June 2019 08: 51
    IMHO, all this is howling - America is about to bend, it has been going on for about 30 years. Tired.

    And as someone really versed will give numbers - so immediately I want to beat the liars.

    Economic growth is greater than ours.
    The population is growing, not falling.
    Crowds of Mexicans, Asians, Arabs are still rushing into the country.
    Export / import is not bad, the economy is not bad, and Trump is still trying to improve everything.
    Well, the number of rich is great.

    And all the moans about the reduction of something - so you can’t sit at the peak all the time ....

    Look, compare the production of only Boeing with all aviation in Russia.
  9. -5
    18 June 2019 15: 47
    Cheap propaganda article.
  10. -5
    18 June 2019 18: 49
    GDP is about the same crap for suckers as the country's average wage
  11. +6
    18 June 2019 22: 48
    I would like to "rejoice" from the bottom of my heart for the eternal enemy, but the only thing that stops me is the fact that this is, to one degree or another, the problem of all developed countries. And we are striving for this status with might and main. We would not overtake America ... Otherwise we will not wait for our triumph ...