“It was better under the Romanians”: the bitter truth of the occupation of Odessa

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April 10, 1944 was the day of the liberation of Odessa from the occupation that lasted almost three years. The city was taken heavily - with minimal use of artillery in order to avoid its destruction, because of which the Red Army had to conduct street battles already in the city limits. And after the tired Red Army soldiers, the harsh officers of the NKVD and SMERSH entered the “pearl by the sea," who launched full-scale work almost instantly. The first summons with an urgent request to come to the "bodies" for an intimate conversation began to come to Odessa citizens in a day or two. And it so happened that for many of the residents of the city this challenge did not end with anything good. By the beginning of 1945, thousands of them had to redeem cooperation with the invaders with hard work in not very pleasant places.





According to some researchers, as of January 1, 1945, almost 250 thousand of the 90 thousand inhabitants of Odessa who met the liberators "disappeared". It is hardly believed in this, and, besides, it should be remembered that in Odessa, as in all other liberated territories, of course, mobilization was carried out in the Red Army - so that part of its inhabitants did not leave the city at all in “camp cliffs”, but in soldier's overcoats. Nevertheless, the fact that the work of the fighters with spies and traitors of the motherland in the "pearl of the sea" was a bit much even for that harsh time, is obvious. "Endless Stalinist repression against the innocent?" "The next atrocities of the bloody Beria executioners"? Let's not rush to conclusions. The truth about the life of the inhabitants of Odessa in the occupation is so unsightly that it was kept under wraps and carefully avoided (especially - well-meaning Soviet historians) for many years.

Nevertheless, it is necessary to know her. In truth, I also walked away from this topic for a while - I really did not want to write about this on the eve of the Great Victory. However, photographs and videos from the Nazi-Bandera procession, which took place in Odessa this year on the big anniversary of the tragic events on Kulikovo Field and just before May 9, dispelled the last doubts. Still, the roots of many current events should be sought in the past - including in the distant years of World War II ...

When the Romanians were better!


This phrase, sounding in the talented, though godlessly sinning places against the historical truth, the television series “Liquidation”, is just not the fruit of the author’s fiction of the director or scriptwriter of the film. Odessans, who believed that way, were more than enough. Another thing is that it is unlikely that anyone would dare to pronounce these words openly, and, even more so, to throw them in the face of an employee of the "organs". Odessa, as such, did not know the German occupation. In fact, immediately after its abandonment by the Red Army, Odessa did not join the Reich Commissariat "Ukraine", but turned out to be part of the Transnistrian Romanian governorate. The power in the city, represented by the mayor of Hermann Punti and the governor, Professor Aleksyan, was exclusively Romanian. The dictator Ion Antonescu (personally visiting the city) called him nothing more than “the pearl of the Romanian crown”.

How did Odessa live? First of all - satisfying. All eyewitnesses of that time directly admire the abundance of grocery reigning on the shelves of markets and shops. Private business in all forms was not only permitted by the invaders, but was encouraged and encouraged in every way. Odessa again, as in the “old regime”, was full of private shops, shops, cafes and restaurants. Moreover, already in the first year of the occupation, more than two and a half thousand inhabitants of Odessa returned their private property, which had been seized by the Soviet government at one time. This, as you know, is not about small things, but about houses, enterprises, objects of trade. All temples of various faiths were opened, which by that time had not been destroyed. In the spring of 1942 on Easter in the city the curfew was even canceled - as it was written in the corresponding order, not only in honor of the holiday, but also “because of the complete loyalty of the local population to the Romanian authorities”.

Pre-revolutionary names were returned to all the streets of the city. Unless Karl Marx at the same time turned into Adolf Hitler Street, and in addition, the names of Mussolini and five other “major statesmen" of Romania appeared on the map of Odessa, but the townspeople somehow survived this. As well as the removal from all libraries of "communist" literature and, in general, all the books of Soviet writers. And the appearance of the lessons of the Law of God in schools, however, with a “weight” in the form of a compulsory study of the Romanian language, many even welcomed. Reminds nothing - of the present? Indeed, why would Odessa residents complain? Water supply, power plants and all other utilities were functioning properly in the city, trams were running, hospitals were operating. Performances and operas were given in theaters, paintings were shown in theaters, jazz was played on the streets ... Well, perhaps the Romanians surprised the townspeople with orders banning the use of bicycles, as well as selling seeds and eating them on the streets. The strictest execution was vigilantly watched by curfews.

True, we must not forget that all this grace was intended exclusively for those residents of the city who were not Jews, and there were, according to various estimates, up to 90 thousand people in Odessa at the time of the occupation. By the beginning of World War II, Jews made up 30% of the population of the city (180 thousand). Fortunately, half of them managed to evacuate or was drafted into the ranks of the Red Army. These inhabitants of Odessa were very lucky - in comparison with the rest. The first repressions against the Jewish population, the invaders began, almost immediately after the capture of the city. Its representatives were forced to register and began to drive into prison on the Fontana Road. Then the first executions began. However, the real hell for the Jews came after October 22, 1941, when the former building of the NKVD was blown up, in which the Romanian commandant’s office and the headquarters of the 10th Infantry Division were already freely located.

Successfully carried out sabotage cost the occupiers many lives, but at the same time caused a wave of incredible atrocities. A wave of pogroms and arrests swept through the city, during which people were killed right on the doorstep of their own houses and hung on street lamp posts. A huge number of unfortunates were driven into the powder depots on the Lussdorf road. All nine buildings were packed to full with Jews and captured Red Army soldiers, after which they were doused with gasoline and set on fire. The emergency commission that worked after the city’s liberation announced the discovery of the remains of at least 25 thousand people. Odessa Jews who survived this wave of terror were waiting for the death camp, scattered throughout the territory of the current Odessa and Nikolaev regions. The most terrible memory in themselves was left by the camps in the villages of Dalnik, Bogdanovka, Golta ... The exact number of the destroyed Odessa Jews cannot be called. Many researchers are inclined to believe that by the time the city was liberated, less than a thousand were still alive.

Odessans, stop informing each other!


It was this phrase that came out of the loudspeakers placed on the cars traveling around the city during the occupation. The box established by the "new government", in which everyone could put their own written complaints or statements executed in writing, was overwhelmed almost instantly. Basically - just precisely by denunciations of their own neighbors in a house or communal apartment. The Romanians quickly realized that with such a shaft of “signals” their siguranza simply could not cope. By the way, when the invaders among the townspeople announced a recruitment to the local police, there was no end to those who wanted it. The contest, according to eyewitnesses, was huge.

The Odessa janitors became a special category that was “noted” in the dirty deed of knocking and extraditing the invaders not only the same Jews, but also communists and other “unreliable” ones. The memory of their activities during the years of the Romanian occupation left the most vile. There are documentary recollections of residents of the city, which say, for example, how one of these same janitors handed over two Red Navy men to the Romanians who tried to escape after entering the invaders in Odessa. Then they were seen in a crowd of prisoners who were led to the Lusdorf warehouses with their arms wrapped in barbed wire and hung on locks through their mouths with punched lips. There, sailors, no doubt, expected a martyrdom. By the way, one of the characteristic moments of this story is the mention of its author that both the Romanian accomplice and his family calmly lived in Odessa for many years after the war. This is about the issue of “mass repressions” ... As you can see, there were even flaws. However, in order to punish all inhabitants of Odessa without exception, who somehow cooperated with the occupiers, the city really would have to be depopulated.

Odessa underground ... The topic that Soviet historiography, as far as possible, was eagerly silent. No one is trying to question the feat of the heroes of the catacombs or those units that really tried to fight against the invaders, but ... The thing is that these were just the units, and, besides, the Odessa underground was almost immediately subjected to a brutal defeat in force almost general treason in his ranks. The first secretary of the Odessa regional party committee, who was supposed to lead a secret war with the invaders, simply fled the city, “transferring” this matter to his deputies. One of these deputies is Petrovsky and subsequently surrendered 265 underground to the Romanian counterintelligence. The most successful group, led by a staff member of the NKVD Vladimir Molodtsov (Badayev), also died due to the fact that a certain Boyko, who turned out to be an agent of the Sigurans, was originally introduced into it. In reality, in Odessa during the years of occupation, not a single major act of sabotage was registered (including - at enterprises working for the needs of the occupying army), not a single sabotage - with the exception of the explosion mentioned above. Real underground members were destroyed.

But there were others who survived the occupation quite safely and subsequently reached such impudence that they began to scribble reports on their own “heroic struggle” to the relevant authorities. For example, a certain Bugaenko, who called himself “the commander of a partisan detachment” and tried to “unsubscribe” from the NKVD investigators by delusional fables that he had opened a shoe booth in his courtyard in order to “carry out clandestine work ...” by carrying out poor-quality repairs to them shoes "! The “underground” was also attacked by a certain Golovanov, who opened a private eatery “to solder Romanian soldiers and officers”, as well as “heroine of resistance” Agafya Lyushkova, who allegedly “added arsenic to dishes that were served to soldiers and officers of the Romanian army” in a private restaurant where she worked. There is no doubt - there was nothing of the kind and was not close! Cause her "sabotage" at least one serious poisoning - would be hung right at the door of the tavern. And this is even in the best case ... If SMERSH eventually “drove” all of the mentioned company into camps, then I personally am only ready to applaud him!

At the same time, the Institute of Anti-Communist Studies, which was opened there in May 1942 and was jam-packed with eminent professors, acted beautifully in Odessa. Some of the pundits who worked on this field, the "Stalinist state security organs" subsequently "brutally tortured", of course - "for nothing" ... In general, the "pearl by the sea" has become a city where with great power, almost on a large scale in the whole territory occupied by the invaders, the uninformed White Guards became more active. Already in December 1941, an initiative group of "former officers and lower ranks of the Russian Imperial Army and the Armed Forces of the South of Russia" was created there. The main task was proclaimed "the struggle against Bolshevism", of course. Moreover, most of the members of this company ended up in the ranks of the punitive and anti-partisan units of the Wehrmacht.

No conclusions and generalizations will be made. Each of the readers is free to do (or not do) them on their own. Perhaps some people after reading a few will be somewhat less surprised by the fact that in Odessa, which some people hurried to proclaim a “Russian city” a priori in 2014, the vast majority of residents stared indifferently at the blazing House of Trade Unions, but today they also calmly and detachedly perceive abuse of the memory of his victims and arrests of veterans for the St. George ribbon attached to the uniform on May 9. These are just the descendants of those who “were better with the Romanians” ...
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  1. -4
    18 May 2019 13: 57
    the curfew was even canceled in the city - as was written in the relevant order, not only in honor of the holiday, but also “because of the complete loyalty of the local population to the Romanian authorities”.

    and in LDNR the local population turns out disloyal!)) hi Fluff! when you cancel the curfew, cowardly dirty trickster?
  2. -5
    18 May 2019 13: 58
    Private business in all forms was not only permitted by the invaders, but was encouraged and encouraged in every way. Odessa ... is full of private shops, shops, cafes and restaurants.

    It was the same throughout the former USSR after 1991. That is, everything returned "to square one."
    After reading the opus, one may feel that it is 1979 in the yard. But no - 2019. And that's why savoring pictures on the theme "the city is red" looks inappropriate and stupid.
  3. +2
    18 May 2019 16: 07
    The mother-in-law's deceased survived the Romanian occupation. According to her, she was struck by Romanian officers with painted lips in helmets with cock feathers and Romanian soldiers who were always hungry.
    1. -4
      18 May 2019 16: 22
      Romanians once occupied Russia?
      1. +3
        18 May 2019 17: 28
        Yes, Kim, and also Italians, Hungarians, Slovaks - all came with the Germans ... you have obvious gaps in education.
        1. -4
          18 May 2019 18: 10
          If I have gaps in education, then tell me, when was Odessa Russia?
          1. 0
            18 May 2019 19: 09
            Do not try to seem more stupid or smarter than you really are. And do not mow a Jew. Odessa has always been Russian and ... will be her ... Be easier ... and people will reach out to you
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          2. +5
            18 May 2019 19: 12
            First of all, Kimushka, nikhto doesn’t speak for Odessa, you will politely answer your stupid question

            Romanians once occupied Russia?

            And yes, Romanian troops as occupiers were on Russian territory, as were Italians ...
            And secondly, dear, Odessa was Russia, when Ukraine and the USSR were not at fault, and then you have a problem with knowledge, I thought you were better taught in North Korea ... lol
            1. -4
              19 May 2019 11: 58
              1. The Russian Empire was from 1721 to 1917. Romanian troops in this
              time interval on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia WERE NOT. It was then that "Odessa
              Russia was. "
              2. And if the Romanians were in some territory east of the Dniester, then not
              Russian, but ON THE SOVIET, maybe that country was called "USSR", not Russia.
              3. I still thought that you at the University of Marxism-Leninism were better
              taught. But if you "grind" better here, then you start right after
              Scribble "letters of repentance" to e-mail :(
              1. +6
                19 May 2019 13: 12
                ..and IN THE SOVIET, maybe that country was called "USSR" ....

                In the West, before the collapse, another name for the Union was often used, namely Soviet Russia. The "Soviet" bailiff for the West meant only the political model of Russia. And no one particularly bothered about some kind of republics.
                1. -4
                  19 May 2019 14: 05
                  Sov.depia was "used more often." And what can you generally say about what and who was there and how they used it, if you were not abroad, and if you were, then YOU DON'T KNOW foreign languages. You don't quite own your family either :)
                  From other people's words, in a foreign translation of Soviet propagandists, such as Pishenkov, you can still link three words here.
              2. +5
                19 May 2019 13: 40
                ABOUT! A fake North Korean guy gathered his thoughts in a day, googled, and prepared, as he thinks, a decent answer ... recourse Too lazy to answer people like you, it makes little sense, but for the last time, get yourself together and follow the line: you reacted to the comment about the mother-in-law who survived the Romanian occupation with the question “Did the Romanians occupy Russia?” apparently your attention is very scattered, since the aforementioned mother-in-law could well have lived in Ukraine (Soviet Ukraine). And the Romanian troops were occupiers both in Soviet Ukraine and on the territory of the RSFSR - Soviet Russia (if you know this term, but in the USSR even a federal newspaper was called that). And to your next stupid question about when Odessa was Russia, you were also answered clearly and clearly - it was, before the formation of the USSR, since neither Ukraine nor the USSR existed then, there was Tsarist Russia, the Russian Empire.
                And what does the Romanians and Russia have to do with it before 1917? What's the mess in your head? You want to "rub" me with this ???
                Rub your semolina over the inside of your skull to keep it from falling out. "Kim Eun", aka "Sweet Guy", aka "Trampoline Zone Instructor". I can, of course, be wrong, but it is unlikely that on the same site there are 3 completely identical trolls with the same primitive vocabulary of the level of Ellochka the cannibal, and equally expressing their, if I may say so, thoughts to them ...
                1. -3
                  19 May 2019 14: 48
                  If you think that I am only thinking about your nonsense, then you are greatly mistaken. And only you and your "brothers in mind" are "googling" here, and I remember all these dates from school. Mother-in-law "Aleksey Alekseev" could live in Congo and Peru. You are here yourself and write all the nonsense, and comment on it yourself. Yesterday at 19.12 Pishenkov graduated:

                  And yes, Romanian troops as occupiers were on Russian territory, as were Italians ...

                  In 1941-1945 there was the USSR as a subject of law, and not Russia as such. And when "Odessa was Russia", there were NO Romanians on the territory of Russia. The Romanians fought against the USSR as a whole, and not against the RSFSR or the Ukrainian SSR separately, so they were on Soviet soil, not Russian or Ukrainian.
                  And it is not necessary to shift the "mess out of your head" into other people's heads who have specialized education, know history and their native language better. And when Pishenkov writes illiterately, the proofreader is to blame.
                  You, defective, with your vicious defective ideology, were "rubbed" by History itself in 1991. You were literally leaked by your own leaders like Gorbachev, Shevardnadze and Yakovlev. And you were sitting in your corners and thinking about how to better buy coupons for sugar, salt and matches. You and your kind "Marxist-Leninists" sold your country for "Bush's legs", jeans and cola. Look on the Internet, how many meters there was a line at the opening of the first McDonald's on Bolshaya Bronnaya in 1990! This is many times more than in Lenin's mausoleum.
                  Almost 28 years have passed since the USSR. It can be said that for almost 70 years they were going nowhere, creating problems for themselves and heroically overcoming them. By the end of the 20th century, at least they began to return to the society of normal people. And then a new misfortune arrived in time - sanctions and complete international isolation.
                  Only Assad, Madura and Eun remained friends. Congratulations!
                  PS And do not forget to throw out your computer - it was invented by the "damned enemies", and you got the idea to use it.
                  1. +3
                    19 May 2019 18: 01
                    Oh how did I piss you off "The sweetest guy - trampoline Basil-Kim Eun", means to the point. If you have any kind of education, then you studied shitty. You work clumsily - a puncture on a puncture, there are no connectives, you yourself contradict your comments ... With me you did not guess either age, education, or belief, although in my opinion it is not difficult, with your attention to my person and publications . You are worth a penny, as well as your calculations. Whose will you be? For white al for red? Or has he not decided yet? Political Worker ...
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                      1. 0
                        19 May 2019 23: 34
                        Well? Are you satisfied with yourself? And now read the Primer and the bainki - tomorrow is a new hard day. You need to invent a new clique, you are our dragon tongue tongue tongue Or do we get along with the old three?
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                    3. -1
                      27 May 2019 14: 52
                      but in fact there is something to say?
                      1. +2
                        27 May 2019 15: 39
                        In fact, it was at the beginning. Sorry, sometimes you have to engage in controversy with different trolls, when they begin to get directly ...
                  2. -2
                    22 May 2019 17: 54
                    I agree with you, as one of the shameful pages of the history of the USSR and a brick from its foundation is a campaign in Afghanistan. There they stumbled upon harsh savages, for whom Ustinov's show-off was like an empty phrase, after several years of "letting blood" the legendary and invincible was beaten and "proudly" left the harsh and inhospitable land! End of episode 1, Chechnya is episode 2 already!
                  3. 0
                    8 June 2019 07: 00
                    Even Solzhenitsyn wrote that bright minds had left us, and that a stinking liquid had flowed. And he wrote in the early 90s.
          3. 0
            19 May 2019 12: 25
            And whose was she, sorry for the question?
    2. -4
      18 May 2019 18: 13
      And I can tell you: according to the rules of the great Russian language, in the words "painted" and "rooster" it is obligatory to write 3 (three) letters "n".
  4. +3
    18 May 2019 17: 24
    Cool. It's always interesting to learn something new, and this is exactly the case. Not that we opened our eyes to previously unknown facts, but here it is specifically for a specific territory. And many parallels with the modernity of Odessa are also becoming clearer. And about the fact that many in some places "... it was better then" there is a lot of evidence, mainly from the territories that did not fall under the control of the Germans, but to the Italians or the same Romanians ... People were not particularly poor there. , especially until they themselves ran into ...
  5. +7
    18 May 2019 17: 56
    This echoes the article on the site about the “brothers” of Ukrainians, Byalorus and others.
    One fact completely struck me about the Russian character of the inhabitants of Odessa. When a handful of Natsiks - no more than 2000 thousand individuals - burned their children in the house of trade unions, Odessa male-like impurities sat under tables and trembled with fear. The population of Odessa is about a million. Half masculine. Subtract gays, old people, children. It turns out about 300 thousand (roughly) dragon-able people. 300 thousand were 2000 thousand. This is the whole Hohlyak mentality. Moyahataskryniki, who were good with the Romanians.
    And after that, someone will still say that there is something Russian here and will want these Odessa citizens back into a single community with Russia ???
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      1. +2
        18 May 2019 20: 14
        The main thing here is not to grimace, calling yourself dog nicknames. If there are brains, then any even the most uneducated and stupid ear-hooker should know about t-9 now. And when there is nothing to object to the essence and meaning of the post, this should simply be silent.
    2. -3
      22 May 2019 18: 01
      You know, maybe it’s even necessary to cremate or shoot potential killers before they, when they come to power, kill hundreds of thousands or even millions! How would events have developed if Hitler and Stalin were killed in the late 20s? The answer is simple, but there would be no World War 2! And we would not have collectivization, the Gulag, the NKVD and other delights of that time!
  6. +1
    18 May 2019 22: 43
    What is being done now, as if taken from the book of the Hitler’s main Führer of the EU — no schools. Churches and primary education. The Slav of Russia should have been able to count to 100 and be able to sign. They are on the right track. The people must forget that he was, albeit nominally, but the master of the country. My mother-in-law and father-in-law got to the Pishchanka camp, not far from Odessa. The father-in-law was from Chernivtsi and spoke Romanian. One evening, a Romanian guard came up to him and said tomorrow a German special team should come to this camp, apparently they will kill you, run away from here. At the same time, he pretended that he did not see how about 50 Jews left the camp. They got to the landing, and from there scattered through the villages. There were Bulgarian villages, except for Ukrainian ones. They were sheltered. A day later, explosions rang out in the quarry. People were put under the wall of a quarry and an explosion of sand piled on them. The people in those places saved everyone who managed to escape from the camp. Whoever went far away, father-in-law about them could not say anything, there was no news.
  7. +2
    19 May 2019 08: 44
    Odessa is the only city where the traitors of the motherland were not judged, because there was no one to judge. During the liberation of Odessa on April 10, 1944 for unknown reasons, during the day, following the advancing troops, the NKVD troops were not brought into the city. This time was enough for the inhabitants of Odessa to outweigh all the policemen and their accomplices who did not have time to escape. When the NKVD troops entered, the picture was terrible, the policemen hung not only on Deribasovskaya Street, but also on their gates.
    1. -3
      19 May 2019 11: 35
      If you carefully read this text, it will become clear that April 10, 1944 was not the liberation of Odessa, but the beginning of its occupation, which lasted until 1991.
      1. 0
        19 May 2019 12: 34
        Of course, this is the first time I hear this, but it has been said that the inhabitants of Odessa themselves dealt with their accomplices.
        What does the occupation have to do with it?
        PS Maybe you will return Bujak to us, otherwise you’ve got it from everyone. Okay, Russia is big, but Moldova is tiny, we need access to the sea. But he was. Belgorod-Dniester is the Fourth Alba - the White Fortress, part of the Principality of Moldova. And the fortress itself was built by Stefan the Great when even the name Ukrainian did not exist.
        1. +6
          19 May 2019 13: 22
          ... this is the Fourth Alba - the White Fortress, part of the Moldavian principalities.

          Yes it was. And before you there lived the Greeks (the founders of the first settlement), then the Romans, then the Armenians (!!?), Then these are the possessions of the Golden Horde khans, and then only the ancestors of the future Moldavians. And then not for long. Then the Ottomans settled there for a long time. And only thanks to the Russian Ottomans left there.
          So, all these lands together with settlements are Russian land. Temporarily occupied from nowhere by fallen "Ukrainians".
          1. -2
            19 May 2019 14: 51
            I know the history of Moldova quite well. If you give me history lessons here, then I will teach you the Russian language - there are a lot of mistakes :)
            1. +4
              19 May 2019 17: 09
              If you give me lessons here ...

              I did not answer your comment.
              Are you mister-red? Or are you a plug in every hole? crying
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            2. 0
              1 July 2019 23: 57
              Come on, teach me Russian, point out my mistakes. Even interesting. By the way, at school we taught Russian pretty well
          2. -2
            27 May 2019 15: 01
            ...iron logic

            Greeks lived there, then the Romans, then the Armenians, then these are the possessions of the Golden Horde khans, then the Moldavians, then the Ottomans ...

            - and further conclusion

            so that all these lands, along with settlements, are Russian land

            The Scarecrow had more brains.
          3. -1
            7 June 2019 15: 52
            Somehow everywhere you find Russian land in Moldova, and in Georgia, and in East Prussia, and in China, not to mention Ukraine - you are our beloved collectors!
            Somehow all nations will come together and present you with a historical account for all your favors in the form of squeezing out territories and resettling them, for unceasing compulsion to your next historical bzdik in the form of autocratic Orthodoxy, Bolshevik godlessness, the building of communism, gangster romance of the special forces and its horseradish knows where you will be brought tomorrow!
          4. 0
            2 July 2019 00: 01
            I don’t think that we need to go so deep into history, because these lands were part of Russia sometime in the 9-10th century. You, too, would not agree to give Crimea to the Greeks)
            1. +1
              2 July 2019 18: 16
              You, too, would not agree to give Crimea to the Greeks)

              Crimea Greeks never belonged. They had colony cities in Crimea. That's all.
              Having several settlements and owning the entire peninsula is not the same thing.
              1. 0
                6 July 2019 15: 58
                Well, when, for example, the territory between the Prut and the Dniester belonged to Russia, how many settlements were there and how many people? I think the Greeks had more of this in the Crimea.
                I really do not like double standards. Once again - yes, Crimea is Russian, and I always believed that Ukraine would lose it. Yes, Transnistria practically did not enter Moldova, with the exception of some short periods. But our Russian territory was also under Tsar Gorokh, when, in principle, there were no borders.
                We will keep silent about East Prussia and China, this is not in your favor. But the Baltic states with the Finns can return))
                1. +2
                  7 July 2019 12: 40
                  Well, when, for example, the territory between the Prut and the Dniester belonged to Russia, how many settlements were there and how many people?

                  Well, and how much?
                  Do you understand Russian?
                  Again. For you. The Greeks never owned Crimea. And there were only a few small settlements on the coast.

                  I think, the Greeks had all this in the Crimea.

                  Thinking and knowing are different concepts.

                  I really do not like double standards.

                  What exactly are double standards?

                  But our Russian territory was also under Tsar Gorokh, when, in principle, there were no borders.

                  Borders did not exist when man was primitive. But then there were no "Gorokhov" kings either. As soon as states and rulers appeared in them, the borders were immediately marked.
                  1. +1
                    8 July 2019 11: 04
                    I will answer only one question + one comment.
                    It is not necessary to judge the affairs of 2 thousand years ago from the point of view of the present person. I am sure that the Greeks completely considered Crimea their land. This is not a German settlement in Moscow under Peter the Great.

                    And here is the comment - here are people like you who repel even those who sympathize with it from Russia. In fact, a patriot for a country is worse than an external enemy. Temper your ardor.
                    1. +2
                      8 July 2019 11: 41
                      ... the Greeks completely considered Crimea their land.

                      Before entering into such a discussion, take the trouble to study the subject of this discussion.
                      When the Greeks founded their cities - colonies, Crimea was already populated.
                      1. 0
                        11 July 2019 23: 01
                        America was also populated when the Europeans came there)
                        What state was in Crimea in the 6-4th centuries BC? Bosporus state. Who founded? Greeks))) Never before had there been any states on the territory of Crimea.
                        Ancient history, 5th grade.
        2. -2
          19 May 2019 15: 32
          "you to us", "to us" - I can not say anything to whom and what should be returned there, because it is not clear on whose behalf you are broadcasting here.
          1. 0
            7 June 2019 16: 02
            How on whose behalf? On behalf of the Republic of Freedom - Transnistrian Moldavian Republic (PMR)
      2. +1
        8 June 2019 07: 12
        May God grant you strength so as not to swear at you with dirty words. The occupation is the export of all resources from the country. Both human and industrial. And in Ukraine, unlike Russia,
        The latest factories, research institutes were built. And life was above the roof.
    2. -3
      22 May 2019 18: 06
      When the Germans entered the cities of Ukraine and Belarus, they were dumbfounded by the mountains of those killed! It turns out, leaving, the NKVD shot those who were sitting in camps, prisons and unreliable, blew up the center of Kiev, the Dnieper, and much more! This is how it happens.
  8. -2
    22 May 2019 17: 40
    I have indirect relation to that period of time.
    My great-grandfather was arrested in May 40, where the entire family with many children lived in the Ovideopolsky district, where they moved in 36 after the start of collectivization in Kazakhstan. A week after his arrest, his great-grandfather was shot (we found him in the lists from the Izvestia newspaper in 89), "thank you very much" to the valiant fighters of the people!
    The whole family of my relatives survived the war safely, and my parents were starving in Kazakhstan, in the spring they were rescued by gophers and a migratory bird that were not registered with the state. They alienated their grandfathers' property (it was banal to be robbed, to the last pillow) and in 37 they were planted, no one returned. Here is such a story without the romance of resistance, without sabotage and "heroism" for the sake of the dictatorship of the proletariat!
  9. 0
    23 May 2019 10: 13
    Quote: Sake
    I have indirect relation to that period of time.

    But you yourself have a good face, obtrusively gobbled up, however, what are you eating?
    1. +1
      31 May 2019 09: 55
      in your confusion, such a situation cannot fit that there is life for the sake of a surname in any situation where there is no place for sabotage, sabotage, murder for the sake of a bullshit "bright future" and a red dictator! We are fully aware of this bright future and now we are in it, when millions of convicts built on the bones of the objects fatten and use scum that are worse than the invaders! The Jews, of course, got it, but the rest of the peoples were not worse than under Soviet rule, I knew many of those who were under occupation in Ukraine and Belarus in childhood, they did not touch normal people, there was enough food for themselves, for the Germans and for the partisans.
  10. -1
    28 May 2019 12: 42
    Odesy lived during the occupation of Odessa, touches for the genocide of the Jews, all soldiers of the 4 Romanian army should be executed as war criminals. and many otmazatsya!
    1. 0
      7 June 2019 17: 04
      Romanians did not have at the state level, nor ideological, nor political program for the extermination of Jews. The only serious anti-Semitic force was the Iron Guard, which in January 41 revolted against military dictator Ion Antonescu, who was crushed by him and the entire top of the movement was sent to Germany, where, at his insistence, was placed in the Buchenwald concentration camp - no one Romanians didn’t send more to German concentration camps.
      The tragedy that happened to the Jews of Odessa is terrible (like the whole war, however), especially since there was no evidence of the involvement of the Odessa community in the sabotage with the explosion of the headquarters of the 4th army. The reaction to the event of the military command was rather emotional, no matter how they departed from the treachery of the Bessarabian and Bukovinian Jewish communities against the Romanian army in June 28, 40, when the soldiers and officers who received the order not to use weapons during the withdrawal were subjected to monstrous humiliation by the Jewish population ... There was a considerable number of those officers who, having delivered personnel to the units entrusted to them on the right bank of the Prut, immediately fired a bullet in their foreheads, as they received insults incompatible with the concepts of honor and dignity. The fact that a year later those who went through this hell were released to the Old Testament morality "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" and "I will repay" cannot be forgiven, although you can understand ... And when the war untied their hands, they avenged for treachery, avenged for betrayal , they took revenge emotionally - without ideology and without a pre-programmed destruction machine ... and, as it almost always happens in history, innocent postorinny suffers.
  11. 0
    7 June 2019 15: 27
    The caption in the title of the article should be:
    Representatives of the civil society of the hero-city of Odessa meet the commander-in-chief of the valiant liberation Romanian army, holder of the Order of Victory, His Majesty King Mihai of Romania l ")))
    The action takes place in wartime, in an occupied "enemy" city - therefore, unprecedented security measures have been taken in the form of the king's adjutant, standing ten meters from the king and the governor of Transnistria, Professor Alexianu.)))
    In the evening, King Mihai and his retinue should attend the opening of the next season of the Odessa Opera and Ballet Theater for the opera by A.S. Pushkin "Boris Godunov". These are the harsh realities of war (((
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  13. 0
    2 July 2019 00: 05
    Quote: sarmat
    Romanians did not have at the state level, nor ideological, nor political program for the extermination of Jews.

    And here you are lying. And the Romanians, by the way, killed about 300 thousand Jews. Well, so simple, without any program. So what?
  14. +2
    5 July 2019 14: 39
    Denikin, for example, refused to cooperate with the Nazis, so do not confuse the fight against Bolshevism with aiding the invaders. As for the Hitler lackeys, many of them were hanged by the local, even before the arrival of the NKVD ...
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