Putin made a knight's move and seems to beat Ukraine

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The recent actions taken by the Russian authorities regarding Ukraine make one seriously believe that Vladimir Vladimirovich is strong not only in judo. What is happening now more closely resembles events not on the tatami, but in the boxing ring, where one of the opponents showers the other with well-defined crushing blows that he misses one after another. Attempts to parry them, of course, are being made - but only at the same time the unlucky “boxer” in yellow-blue colors somehow somehow mysteriously manages to beat himself painfully ...





The fact that the time of ritual bows and fights half-heartedly ended, Kiev should have become clear even before the end of the presidential election there. Introduced by our country unprecedentedly tough economic sanctions left no room for doubt on this score. They made it clear that no matter who became the new president, they would communicate with him not in the meeting room, but in the ring. In full, as they say, contact ... This first blow, however, did not add understanding of the situation to any of the candidates for the highest state post. Both continued to practice anti-Russian rhetoric - one to a greater extent, the second to a lesser extent. Moscow, meanwhile, “pressed” its Belarusian partners, clearly indicating that it would not be possible to level the consequences of Russian restrictions in the field of the same oil products.

In Ukraine, they pretended that this blow “went tangentially” and enthusiastically continued the games in the pre-election “democracy”. And so the process ended - a complete defeat of five years building its policies exclusively on the terry Russophobia Poroshenko. Hit? According to the official ideology of Kiev and the positions of post-Maidan "Ukrainians" - yes. And the strongest. However, even from this situation, the conclusion in the "unfathomable" was made fundamentally wrong. There, for some reason, they decided that the Kremlin, almost sobbing with happiness, would rush with open arms to meet the newly elected president only because his last name was not Poroshenko. What followed instead - everyone knows ...

The decree of Vladimir Putin on the simplified procedure for granting citizenship to residents of the Donbass was not just the most beautiful and most technical uppercut, held at the most unexpected moment ... This, of course, was not a knockout yet. But knockdown - for sure. Both Kiev and its Western curators “sailed”, for some time having lost the ability not only to fight, but to think something in general. The attempt to counterattack at the UN was so miserable that it could cause nothing but pity. Meanwhile, while Ukraine stupidly "waved its fists", uselessly dissecting the air, and its "seconds" unsuccessfully appealed to the impassive "referee", the next blow followed. Vladimir Vladimirovich said that perhaps it is worth considering the issue of simplified issuance of citizenship to all Ukrainians!

And what followed in response? The wretched attempts of Mr. Zelensky to scoff at and “teach life” to the Russian president? An explosion of dreary anger in the "patriotic circles" of the politicum and mass media of Ukraine? The Russian leader answered them with warm support for the idea of ​​issuing Ukrainian passports to the Russians - they say, this is even better! Putin’s words that in this way “we will have common citizenship” leave no doubt as to what citizenship of which particular state he sees in the future as one for Ukrainians and Russians, whom the president once again called “one nation”. One can only guess how Kiev will try to answer this move, but there is no doubt that this reaction will result in another demonstration of its own powerlessness.

The only adequate and effective countermeasures of official Ukraine on the actions of the Kremlin, which opens a new window of opportunity for residents of Donbass, could be the immediate restoration of pensions and other social benefits in the region, as well as similar steps aimed at integrating it into the “undisturbed” at least in the economic plan. However, nothing of the kind is being done. Moreover, high-ranking officials of Kiev, the same Minister of Social Policy Andrei Reva, who, in theory, should have been in the front row of the “reintegrators” today, continue to shower insults and threats against the residents of the Republics, making it very clear that they’ll be fine Donbass cannot expect a return "to the fold of Ukraine".

Meanwhile, Moscow is demonstrating that its words are not at odds with it - the first Passport Issuing Centers for residents of the LPR and DPR are already opening, albeit in test mode so far. For the domestic bureaucratic system - the speed is incredible! And this suggests, first of all, that the Kremlin considers the "passportization" of Donbass one of the highest priority cases of state importance. Neither the hysteria of Kiev, nor the attempts to pull on the part of Western "partners" can stop the process that has begun. In addition, there is no doubt that the results will be used most actively by the Russian side to demonstrate clearly what exactly are the real moods and aspirations of people in the east of Ukraine.

Of course, all of the above actions, albeit inflicting each on its own, and, moreover, all together, the most serious damage to the position of Kiev mired in Russophobia, cannot force it to change its anti-Russian policy. On April 25, the Ukrainian parliament adopted a whole new “language law”, which is a blatant violation of all the fundamental rights of Russian-speaking citizens of the country. Many local commentators, by the way, called it "a worthy response to the unfriendly actions of Moscow" - in particular, the same presidential decree on Russian passports for Donbass. If this is so, then nothing ridiculous and it was impossible to come up! Indeed, such decisions just push the people of Ukraine who are not subject to Maydan-Bandera madness to the transition to Russian citizenship. Again a blow to ourselves ...

If the geopolitical arena really were a boxing ring, Ukraine would probably have already counted a defeat on points (due to the number of missed hits), or even technical knockout. However, most likely, the real knockout will follow no later than January 1, 2020, when the “unplanned” one will lose the transit of Russian gas, which it categorically refuses to continue under conditions acceptable to our country. The consequences of this for the local economy, and, as a consequence, all other areas of life, will be not only serious, but the most catastrophic. And this is not to mention that, in the midst of the heating season, the country risks being left without energy in general.

Russia is not fighting against Ukraine - to transfer relations between countries to the plane of a duel in which they exchange not friendly gestures, but biting blows, was the decision of Kiev, not Moscow. Now, the Ukrainian side will either prudently throw a towel into the ring, or hear a count of one to ten being led to nothing, after which the implacable “Out!” Will sound.
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  1. -7
    April 30 2019 09: 29
    Yes. Beat the little ones.
    And judging by the seeping infe, any blacks are beaten by packs in general. And then it writes off debts.
    1. +3
      April 30 2019 12: 02
      Well, of course, they are small - they are on their own, and no one is behind them ... The Baltic states are also on their own, just because Russophobia has become the core of foreign policy.

      Mice cried, pricked - but continued to eat a cactus.
      1. +1
        3 May 2019 18: 34
        This is mutual .... Khokhlov and the Baltic states are scolded by the patriots in the media, but are regularly invited to the shows, investments, and tours ....
        As GDP said, trade is growing, you have to rejoice ...
    2. +2
      April 30 2019 20: 03
      Your sarcasm is not appropriate here, dear! Maybe the author stated this somewhat pompous, putting on an action in a boxing match, in fact he is right, but he is mistaken in the details, like you all! In fact, the game is thinner, I would say this is not boxing, this is chess. And we are interested in the Ukrainian pipe even more than the Ukrainians themselves. Here is a darling for her, and now the war is on. And all these actions are aimed only to achieve this. Details here - https://topcor.ru/8263-rossija-nanosit-preventivnyj-udar-po-kievu.html. There will be no termination of transit through the Ukrainian GTS either on January 1, 2020, or on January 1, 2021, or even on January 1, 2024. The reasons are set forth in the link (see above) on the same resource
  2. -6
    April 30 2019 10: 21
    That's really truly fabulous bully
  3. -5
    April 30 2019 10: 38
    I shed tears of emotion as I read this. I will go (without ceasing to cry with bright tears of joy), kneel down and pray for the bright face of the greatest grandmaster of "all times and peoples", an unsurpassed guru-master on tatami and so on, so forth and so on. Yes .... they know how to lick some.
    1. +3
      April 30 2019 21: 53
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      masters on tatami

      For this part, like Zolotov specializes, it is not necessary to take his bread from him. And so yes, the multi-path follows the cunning plan, permanently replacing each other ...
    2. +2
      April 30 2019 22: 10
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I shed tears of emotion as I read this. I will go (without ceasing to cry with bright tears of joy), kneel down and pray for the bright face of the greatest grandmaster of "all times and peoples", an unsurpassed guru-master on tatami and so on, so forth and so on. Yes .... they know how to lick some.

      Well, they are far from you ...
      But what about your boss about the ceremonial portrait of the Darkest in the hangar? Come cuts the rods? Or does this action trust its other slaves?
      Of course, the Darkest, this is not Obama for you, and especially not Trump, you need to suffer for his portrait.
    3. 0
      6 May 2019 03: 36
      And in the photo the face is such a simultaneous kind and cunning.
  4. +2
    April 30 2019 12: 01
    Well done our president! And your blah blah blah .................. remember what happened before Putin. The country is reborn. With this PEACE! Not falling apart into the principalities, as the majority here wants. Touching your madness do you think you are against Putin a lot? Yes you are not! I love this resource. You can annoy not good, not smart, not patriots)))
    1. -2
      April 30 2019 22: 02
      Quote: Valera
      remember what was before Putin

      Before Putin, there was democracy, albeit wild, but not controlled (finally degenerated into dictatorship?), As it is now. And even before Putin (was it due to your inaction or your active support?) The State was “flushed down the toilet”, exchanged for boiled jeans and 20 varieties of sausage. Maybe I will tell you a secret, but there are really many of us, patriots who do not like Putin and United Russia, and the next elections to the State Duma will clearly demonstrate this to you, I am sure. Take care of rose-colored glasses - a useful thing with a lack of lighting.
      1. 0
        April 30 2019 22: 25
        Democracy - in the sense of the power of the oligarchs?
        1. +1
          April 30 2019 22: 30
          Quote: Kristallovich
          Democracy - in the sense of the power of the oligarchs?

          Where is she different? The point is that twenty years ago I had no doubts about how the votes were counted (albeit given to candidates from the oligarchs). Now these doubts exist, and taking into account the new trends in the form of "electronic voting", they only intensify. The prospect of our own Zelenskiy appearing here clearly scared someone.
          1. +4
            April 30 2019 22: 32
            It is extremely stupid to doubt that in 2018, the majority of Russia supported Putin. The victory of the GDP was as obvious as the victory of Zelensky.
            1. +3
              April 30 2019 22: 45
              Quote: Kristallovich
              It’s foolish to doubt that in 2018, the majority of Russia supported Putin

              I have no doubts about the honesty of the last elections - he did not promise an increase in VAT and the retirement age for the elections and won naturally, promising a "breakthrough." The worse the background, the brighter the shine. I am concerned about the next elections.
              1. +1
                1 May 2019 08: 30
                And he did not have to promise. Which candidate will advertise unpopular measures? By the way, a few months before the election, the topic of VAT was already actively discussed.
                1. +3
                  1 May 2019 08: 49
                  People understood everything when Medvedev was reassigned to the "breakthrough". I'll tell you more - the topic of raising the retirement age has been exaggerated for 15 years, of which the last three years have been quarterly informational emissions. Yes, I was not obliged, but is honesty no longer held in high esteem, but a relic of the USSR? When there is no new concept, it is better to leave on time, and not promise a new one when the old one is not fulfilled. Has anyone answered for the failure of the May 2012 decrees? And then there is a strong feeling that it was intended.
                  1. -1
                    1 May 2019 12: 32
                    A whole area of ​​"silver economy" has been formed in world science as a reaction to the growing share of the elderly in society. By the way, all over the world people are increasingly relying on themselves, and not on social assistance. Modern society has many problems, not only old people - don't forget about it! Take care of yourself! First of all - do not remain lonely, not nice to anyone, unnecessary. Demography is everyone's destiny.
                    1. +5
                      1 May 2019 14: 24
                      Quote: Victor N
                      all over the world people are increasingly relying on themselves

                      All over the world people are warned about such "reform" 10-20 years before its start and the annual inflation in these countries is not 10%. And mortgages, by the way, in Germany, are given at 2%, and not at 12%. In such conditions, the only hope is for children (whose jobs I will probably take up to 65).
                      And by the way - why do we have to look at "the whole world" - if you please explain? If we looked at the whole world, there would be no day of workers' solidarity.
                      1. -1
                        1 May 2019 19: 48
                        Yes, you cry, since you can’t worry about yourself, otherwise no one will regret and give ....
                      2. 0
                        1 May 2019 19: 54
                        Quote: Victor N
                        Yes you cry

                        To cry is to accept reality, but I intend to influence it to the best of my modest capabilities hi
      2. +3
        1 May 2019 08: 31
        Before Putin, their own parliament was very democratized from tanks. Bravo!!!
        1. +1
          1 May 2019 12: 22
          Quote: bagerovo
          They stole their own parliament from tanks

          And we are still reaping the fruits of this action in the form of a lack of political culture. "Parliament is not a place for discussion" - remember? Was he not shot on October 3 - on the day the pension "maneuver" was signed?
      3. +2
        1 May 2019 12: 18
        Your indifferent attitude to politics pleases. But the State was lowered with the complete indifference of the entire population, who had lost all respect for it. So it happened. And a huge, rich political organization did not help.
        1. +1
          1 May 2019 12: 24
          Quote: Victor N
          lost all respect to him

          Is it because she lost that they lied to him and did not listen to his aspirations? hi
      4. +1
        1 May 2019 13: 43
        Before Putin, there was democracy

        "Before the revolution, under the pressure of tsarism, the radio was silent."))

        Patriotism is the observance of the covenants of the fathers (Keep Orthodoxy and Watch the Russian Land). Maybe I will tell you a secret, but there are really many of us patriots who respect Putin.
        1. 0
          1 May 2019 14: 15
          Quote: Master
          there are really a lot of us patriots who respect Putin

          Did I doubt it? Your right. Notice how polarized our society is.
  5. -3
    April 30 2019 12: 04
    Putin replay Zelensky! With a slight margin, but Russia is ahead! Hurrah! Pride for our Pu just rushing.
    But seriously, it was necessary to break up this ukriya a long time ago, recognize LDNR, destroy the statehood of Kakland economically and turn this enemy entity into a poor, wretched territory of beatings and prostitutes.
    And we are proud that Putin “beats” Zelensky, a comedian without life and professional experience. Well done, Botek Vladimirovich!
    1. +2
      April 30 2019 12: 33
      Recognize LDNR ...

      Dear, but what's the point of recognizing them within their current borders, like bits of 2 areas? About gouging - generally without comment ... You would remember that soon only cats will be born. Take it out - it’s excusable for ten or twelve years, but something tells me that you are much more.
      1. +3
        April 30 2019 13: 30
        .... but what's the point of recognizing them within their current borders, like bits of 2 areas?

        And who said that we are talking about the recognition of "stubs"? crying
        LDNR is not only the territory controlled by the militia of Donbass. Lugansk and Donetsk consider part of their territory occupied.
        Recognizing both republics, it will be possible to quite officially help the return of their territories.
        1. +3
          April 30 2019 14: 53
          This means fighting for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. And what do you think Russia is doing now ??? You want to quickly - me too. But do not tell the Supreme what and when to do. He repeatedly proved that he can act quickly and decisively - when the time comes.
          1. 0
            April 30 2019 15: 27
            And what do you think Russia is doing now ??? You want to quickly - me too. But do not tell the Supreme what to do and when.

            Are you talking to yourself?
            In my. comments about this not a word.
      2. 0
        April 30 2019 17: 30
        Respected. )))
        You know, my dear, referenda were held in the LPR and DPR. About self-determination. Have you heard? So, it was necessary to recognize the RESULTS of the referendum on SELF-DETERMINATION, and not the republics themselves within their current borders.
        You, I hope for your vast life experience, understand the difference. Or is it not necessary to rush to save the lives of these our poor fellow Novorossiets at such a prime age?
        So here. Respected. We must accept these results yesterday, and not flirt with Poroshenko.
        1. +2
          April 30 2019 22: 43
          Do you think that you have the fullness of information, along with the General Staff and the Supreme, and you can indicate to them what, when and how to do it? Do you even understand that the struggle is for the whole of Ukraine - and not just for parts of two regions? Apparently, you have a very high opinion of yourself. Good luck!
          1. +3
            1 May 2019 06: 38
            .. the struggle is for the whole of Ukraine .....

            You are absolutely right. good
            Many, even considering themselves patriots of Russia, do not understand this.
          2. +2
            1 May 2019 08: 17
            You, without knowing it, were very right)))
            Believe me, the Kremlin doesn’t have a question “for the whole of Ukraine”. Open your eyes and look at the map. “Vote with brains” is called, not compassion.
            The goal is slightly different in relation to the "whole" of Ukria than you can even imagine. Although, it is impossible to imagine this difficult for you. And don’t be so nervous. For Russia, everything will be very good, for Ukraine, how will it turn out.
          3. 0
            1 May 2019 12: 54
            South65, for reflection, you have the following message: If Russia thought “for the whole of Ukraine”, then NEVER I would not initiate the Minsk agreements.
            1. 0
              1 May 2019 14: 51
              I’ll probably surprise you very much, but in real politics the aspects of geopolitics are also taken into account, where the calculations are carried out in completely different time categories and such an amount of information is taken into account, including that which is completely inaccessible to our jingo-patriots, that it’s better not to try It’s like trying to make sense of front-line operations from a trench soldier, but they try, and even confidently speak up on topics about which they have a very rough idea. Your message that Russia would never have initiated M agreement, if I thought about the whole of Ukraine - what is it based on? On your personal opinion, and it, in turn, on your personal amount of information, is very scarce. But you are nevertheless confident in your rightness. Well, well, You have the right, but this is nothing more than your opinion. IMHO.
              1. 0
                1 May 2019 15: 25
                Not an offset))) The answer is a dummy.
                If you are so experienced and knowledgeable. As you try to position yourself here, carefully read Minsk-2 and the constitution of this Ukria. Attentively only. Then remember the Crimea. And think about LDNR.
                The second message.
                Link Tehran and Yalta agreements of 43 and 45 with the Minsk agreements, especially Minsk-2. You do not have meager knowledge of type)
                And also suggestive - you can’t see people on the world map.
                Now exhale and try to do this homework in good faith. Without psychopathic injections of the opponent.
                So, I repeat - Russia does not need "all of Dill."
                Answer yourself. Self-education is called. I understand that it hurts you to listen to it, but it is.
                1. 0
                  2 May 2019 11: 08
                  I wrote about this to you. You are just sure that having the Constitution of Ukraine, the text of the Minsk Agreements and your life experience in your hands, you can teach the whole General Staff, the Supreme and God knows how many specialists are working on the problem. Good luck with your exorbitant conceit. Do not write to me anymore - I have been sick for a long time from ambitious know-it-alls. Good luck
                  1. 0
                    2 May 2019 11: 47
                    I won’t write to you anymore, dear))))
                    Do not be offended by this.
                    LDNR will never be annexed to Russia. Like South Ossetia or Abkhazia, although there were held referendums on joining Russia. FOR were more than 90%.
                    Crimea is Crimea. This is the geopolitics of the entire Black Sea basin and the Eurasian continent as a whole. But Ukraine could easily defeat and protect the population of Donbas from death, recognizing then the results of the referendum. Why they didn’t recognize it, the question is about liberal dandruff and pro-Ukrainian corrupt elite in power.
                    Goodbye, I'm crying ...)
    2. +3
      April 30 2019 22: 04
      Quote: VladI
      I had a long time .. to beat this ukriya

      No one has shed as much blood as idealists.
  6. -4
    April 30 2019 16: 59
    Eh. Putin has long turned into a fabulous clown, and then everyone is promoting this corpse. No creativity though. Boring crying
    1. +2
      1 May 2019 06: 41
      No creativity though. Boring

      The stump is clear.
      In terms of creativity with your collective farmer, few people compare. lol
      After Luke, everything is boring. laughing
  7. -3
    1 May 2019 08: 20
    YUG65, when you understand the true essence of the “Minsk Agreements”, then you will understand why Ukrainians are so afraid of fulfilling them, why we insist on this together with the Germans and French, the USA and the Poles, and then you will receive insight.
    1. 0
      2 May 2019 11: 11
      Not Ukrainians are afraid, but tricks in the Verkhovna Rada - with its 4% rating - and the President - with a rating of about 10-12%. Do not be responsible for everyone.
  8. -4
    1 May 2019 10: 36
    Each person has a small homeland. This is the place where he was born. Such a small homeland is also in Russia, this is Little Russia. As a descendant of Prince Kiy (the founder of the mother of Russian cities) I dare to say that there were no Russians before Kiy. There were Rus (Rusichi, Rusyns). ). Prince Kiy was Rusom. Russian means a descendant of Rus Kiy (RUS-KIY). My small homeland coincides with the small homeland of Russia. All my ancestors lived in Little Russia (present-day Ukraine). Answer me "smaller brothers")) where is my RUSSIAN passport ?
    1. +1
      1 May 2019 12: 59
      It’s necessary to have a bite, a Chinese descendant.
      1. 0
        1 May 2019 14: 01
        Not an argument. But as an alien's answer is accepted.
    2. 0
      2 May 2019 03: 46
      Quote: Master
      Prince Cue was Rus

      Was Prince Kiy?
      learn history, preferably class so from the first, read everything two times - to be deposited in your head, you carry some kind of game, chesslovo.
      remember: the cue, if it was at all, could not have been "Russian" in any way, absolutely, since they did not know such a word. you also need to teach etymology: the word "rus" is not of Slavic origin. Kiy (if he was at all) was a Slav, most likely from the glades, what were our Slavic tribes called? well ..? - the word NOT, Polyana, Drevlyane, Vyatichi, Krivichi, Opolyane ... but tell me at least one name of the tribes / people among the Slavs, which has an ending with "b" ...
      there is no such...
      but if you hold your finger on the map to the north, then there were ...
      weigh, eat, mer (mercury), a group of miracle tribes, or there is such a river - there is ...
      but there is Rus
      doesn’t lead to anything ..?
      okay: the word rus itself does not have anything Slavic, it came to us from the Finno-Ugric peoples, because those (they are our type of brothers, as it were, we were in contact with them and always got along well) were the first to "get acquainted" with the Scandinavians, they studied there was even such a thing as "Viking", there was even such a thing as "go to the Vikings", that is, Viking is an occupation that combines river / sea robbery, trade in loot, establishing contacts, settling in more favorable places, going to the Yug, the Scandinavians first Slavs met and contacted the Finno-Ugric tribes, here is a mini-drakkar floating on the river like that, bam! - a settlement, but without a palisade! - went to rob, robbed, sail on, oops! settlement with a palisade, guards are standing, so there are armed people inside, why fight with them? - it is necessary to trade !, to the question: "How do you live?" the Vikings answered (difficult to write in our way): "Ryose!" (short vowels, this is the most likely version, since this word is still in the Scandinavian languages, and it still carries the same meaning) - rowers, i.e. for peaceful purposes ... we row there, we row here, what we rowed then we sell ... and when we, the Slavs, the Finno-Ugrians talked about the Vikings, then to our question: "How are they in life?" - Finno-Ugric people said: "Yes, you will understand figs ... it is clear that the little ones are from the north, but they call themselves" Ryus "(as they heard it, and we were told, with their accent, of course) - rowers, that is, so be careful with them guys! "
      as I could, on the fingers told.
      Well, we called them "Varangians", and if you read the Arabs, then even they clearly separated the "Rus" and "Slavs" (usually the Rus Slavs were brought to them as slaves then - from unprotected settlements), like "the Rus came, brought the Slavs for sale"
      and only later the Varangians began to assimilate with the Slavs, then the Scandinavian names came to us, and the "semi-Scandinavian" - a little later (when their name was mixed with ours, Slavic) - Oleg, Olga, Igor - Scandinavian names (for comparison, some Slavic, even pre-Christian - Gorazd, Tikhon).
      Was there a cue at all ?, was there gostomysl? (the one who called the Varangians finally to us in the Slavic lands, before that they also called, only then the Scandinavians did not take root) - these are legendary characters
      Was there Rurik? - also a legendary character ... but the Scandinavians had such a person, and he is described in the Frankish chronicles, the kid's name was Hreik, only the letter "X" is almost inaudible, it goes more like an exhalation, Hrōþirīks is Germanic) and just about when "Gostomysl" "summoned the Varangians" - the chronicles about him stop recording ... and a certain "Rurik" with infantry appears among the Slavs at the call of "Gostomysl" ...
      but this is only a version, it is viable but it cannot be considered as truth.
      the mother of Russian cities - at different times our lands had different "mothers" (capitals), and in general terms such as "Kievan Rus", "Vladimir Rus" were introduced by historians in the second half of the 19th (nineteenth) century for a simpler definition of time periods, in ancient times these names did not exist
      here is a small "educational program on your fingers" for you, read more, normal historians, look for more - from those who travel to archaeological excavations, find out what "ceramics" is for historians and how it is used to determine who and when where lived, also about "treasures" , "monuments", ritual ceremonies and methods of burial, you will learn a lot, the historian can clearly say: "Here we dug - we found a grave, judging by the fact that he was buried in such and such a way (for example, in a ship, or burned, or even together with a horse), it is clear that they buried a Slavic governor (or a noble Varangian, but on Slavic land, but still a Varangian, because although they have been living with us for a long time, they still have this part of the ritual ritual and we observed it in that grave , and the Slavs never used this rite because ... they didn't care about that god)
      so, descendant of Kiya, delve into, it's never too late
      1. 0
        2 May 2019 11: 21
        SASHA OLD
        Well done for digging "ceramics")). Only for a long time you still have to dig to the city of Kiy - KIE-VA. Maybe this will help:
        GEDEONOV S.A. “Varangians and Russia. Exposing the “Norman myth” ”;
        GROTTHE LIDIA "The origin of Russia, not the origin of the name of Russia";
        ALEKSEEV S.V. “Slavic Europe of the V-VIII centuries”;
        LOCAMANYA BAL GANGADHAR TILAK “The Arctic Homeland in the Vedas”;
        MIKHAIL LOMONOSOV “Ancient Russian History”;
        DMITRY BLUEOK “The Living Traces of Hyperborea”;
        YEGOR CLASSEN "The ancient history of the Slavs and Slavic-Russians before the Rurik time";
        Tatishchev VN “Russian History”;
        V. V. Fomin "Varangians and Varangian Rus: Towards the Results of Discussion on the Varangian Question";
        TSVETKOV SV "In search of the Slavic ancestral home";
        GENNADY KLIMOV “History of Europe. Axis of Time ”,“ Birth of Russia ”,“ Hidden Land of the Aryans ”;
        VALERY CHUDINOV "Mysteries of Slavic writing", "Runic and secrets of archeology of Russia",
        “Sacred stones and pagan temples of the ancient Slavs”, “Secret runes of Ancient Russia”, “Russian runes”,
        “We will return the Etruscans of Russia. Decoding of the inscriptions of ancient civilization ”,“ The Truth about Treasures of Retra ”.
        1. +1
          4 May 2019 16: 22
          Although Lomonosov promoted the theory of anti-Normanism, he himself understood that it was untenable: he moved it because in those days there was such a tendency - to search for his own pedigree, and the most authoritative option was that the ancestors were from the family of Caesar, and so (I I write from memory, so I often use slang, forgive me - I grew up among zones and camps in the taiga, but I try to get away from this, and go not into muddy mud, but closer to science). So, the Normanist theory completely excludes the option that the Romanovs had Caesar in their ancestors, and the anti-Normanist theory allows this. She was "in trend", so Lomonosov was a very smart person ... and very subtly felt what they wanted to hear from him, he did it with his lectures, for which he was noted more than once.

          Quote: Master
          “We will return the Etruscans of Russia. Decoding of the inscriptions of ancient civilization ”,“ The Truth about Treasures of Retra ”.

          What do you mean, bind me Zadornov as an authoritative historian to a heap (Etruscans - "these are Russians"), delve into etymology and linguistics, I tell you, I myself did not understand a lot of things: how a language changes, for example, how one thing cannot change a word with a certain sound / letter combination, because if this sound / letter combination changes, then all similar words change.

          Quote: Master
          LOCAMANYA BAL GANGADHAR TILAK “The Arctic Homeland in the Vedas”;

          listen, but let's get closer to scientific works and not to the "Vedas"

          Quote: Master
          V. V. Fomin "Varangians and Varangian Rus: Towards the Results of Discussion on the Varangian Question"

          here there is something to discuss, but for this I will need to get acquainted with his works better - he is interesting in his own way, I agree

          Quote: Master
          Tatishchev VN “Russian History”;

          but nothing like Tatishchev from the 18th century, when history just as a science had not yet existed? Such concepts as source study were not defined, they only just began to be identified, but there was no systematization, for example, there are objective sources, the most reliable one is archaeological, how many archaeologists of that time can you name me? - I don’t know a single one (professional, one that would possess any kind of scientific methodology), namely these sources are the most objective, and they were just the very minuscule. On their basis it was impossible to recreate the presence or absence of events, to accurately determine them and somehow systematize.
          for medieval Europe, better read K. Zhukova especially his one and a half defense
          do not go deep into pseudoscience and do not make authorities from old historians, they were authorities when there were no modern ways of working with sources, systematization, laboratory research. Now all this is there, and it was in the 20th century that history was formed as a science, with related disciplines such as linguistics, archeology, source study (even in the 19th century they did not know how to work with sources correctly - there was no methodology).
          Pseudoscience throws brains with a known substance no worse than the most sophisticated propaganda (because it comes under the guise of science)

          according to Fomin, we will continue our discussion, we need to get acquainted more closely, I read a little, mainly excerpts
  9. DPN
    +1
    1 May 2019 10: 42
    The horse liked the move very much in connection with the pension reform.
  10. DPN
    0
    1 May 2019 10: 45
    Prince Cue was Rus.

    Thank you very much, recalled the name of the city - VYAZNIKI. Thanks.
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      1 May 2019 12: 48
      ))) Sclerosis sometimes helps, but as an argument is not accepted.
  11. +1
    2 May 2019 11: 57
    The only one that Putin defeated is himself.
  12. 0
    5 May 2019 09: 13
    Here I am sitting and reading your comets, funny. GDP is to blame for everything, it brings to your knees all of your troubles and all of you poor and unhappy ... I live in Siberia, I work as a driver in a private transport company, s / n 35-40 tyrov. I have an apartment, a car, calmly moving around the country, in any direction, rafting, fishing ... and whatever I want ... And I am grateful to him for the fact that in schools and kindergartens our children are not told that they are, there are no programs that lead a trickle of urine and poop ... What are you all about? It's funny ...
  13. +1
    6 May 2019 03: 42
    Quote: Master
    Patriotism is the observance of the covenants of the fathers (Keep Orthodoxy and Watch the Russian Land). Maybe I will tell you a secret, but there are really many of us patriots who respect Putin.

    Yeah. 30 percent left, if correctly calculated. But those respecting Stalin-70%.
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    6 May 2019 13: 46
    Quote: Kristallovich
    It is extremely stupid to doubt that in 2018, the majority of Russia supported Putin. The victory of the GDP was as obvious as the victory of Zelensky.

    If the people knew that the election of our fabulous president would result in another increase in the well-being of the people - VAT, tariffs, prices, taxes and pension reform, they would hardly have chosen.
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    7 May 2019 11: 34
    continue our discussion

    This is not the place for such discussions. I came here by chance and I’ll hardly come back. So don’t blame me, but this is the last appeal to you. The matter is not in your slang or “raspaltsovka.” It’s in your purely materialistic approach. Hence your fears of sliding to "pseudosciences". A human being is not purely material, but at least material and spiritual. You already understand that not all history is buried in the ground. Something is hidden in the language and much in the person himself (one of the latest discoveries of geneticists is "haplogroup R1a1 "). But this is only the material side of the matter. Classical science does not know how to deal with the spiritual principle in a person. And it is present in all spheres of scientific and unscientific human activity. They even talk about the crisis of classical science. Many scientific conferences today end with the question:" And what will religion say to this? ". This, as you understand, is on the fingers. Then decide yourself. I can only wish you good luck in your searches.
  16. DPN
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    30 May 2019 11: 34
    To compare Ukraine and Belarus, it’s like ..., one has access to the SEA and that means access to the world, and Belarus is squeezed like in a ring or a cage.
    Therefore, Ukraine will be an independent self-sufficient country, Belarus is a hundred times more difficult, and Russia without Belarus is shitty, so it’s NECESSARY to protect, and even uninvited guests will come along good roads, the distance will allow.