The newest engine PD-14 is not suitable for flying to Europe

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The PD-14 aircraft engine being developed in Russia turned out to be unsuitable for operation in Europe and the USA. The thing is in the strict standards and requirements of Western countries used for certification of power plants for aircraft. At the same time, this engine received a “type certificate” from the Federal Air Transport Agency in December 2018.





As it became known "Russian newspaper", The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation announced a tender to finalize the PD-14. The cost of work should not exceed 12 billion rubles, and the deadline for the finished product is limited to December 15, 2021.

As an expert in the field of aviation materials science, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Yevgeny Kablov, only by increasing the reliability of the engine, increasing its service life and other operational characteristics, you can count on receiving a certificate from the European Safety Agency.

But on the basis of the PD-14 gas generator, we plan to create a whole line of aircraft engines of different power - from PD-8 and PD-12 to 8 and 12 tons of thrust, respectively, to powerful PD-35 with thrust from 33 to 40 tons. Therefore, it is extremely important to certify PD-14 both in Europe and in the USA

- said Kablov.

Recall that the PD-14 is a fifth-generation engine and is designed for the MS-21 medium-haul liner being created in Russia.
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  1. vik669
    vik669
    0
    April 20 2019 16: 05
    They did it, and after that it never happened, and now - again the PD-14 engine turned out to be unsuitable for operation in Europe and the USA. The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation announced a tender for the revision of PD-14. The cost of work should not exceed 12 billion rubles - isn't it time to take for a "Faberge" and even ask "Why are you doing here, huh?" Have done expensively and angrily yet another "indifferentanploglvworld" something for something!
  2. Then
    Then
    +1
    April 20 2019 16: 36
    The story is quite and long predicted. Difficulties will be, and will bring the engine to European standards. This has been discussed before. The same to me, sensation ...
    1. vik669
      vik669
      -1
      April 20 2019 16: 48
      The Russians themselves create difficulties, and then they are heroically overcome

      Winston Churchill

      What a sensation, the Russian fools are the best in the world. So quite expected, even boring! Some 12 billion rubles!
      1. mister-red
        mister-red
        +1
        April 20 2019 22: 23
        And your fools engine sbatsat?
        1. vik669
          vik669
          0
          April 21 2019 09: 22
          And what did your sbatsali another nesomevayuschego analogy in the world - where is it? Or show, but for 12 billion rubles!
      2. Kim Rum Eun
        Kim Rum Eun
        +3
        April 21 2019 15: 31
        That was not what Churchill said.

        The Bolsheviks themselves create difficulties that they successfully overcome.

        - said so.
  3. Oleg RB
    Oleg RB
    0
    April 20 2019 16: 40
    Ay, well, as expected, even boring
  4. schura.kilka
    schura.kilka
    +4
    April 20 2019 16: 48
    What before, at the stage of OCD, they thought. Who is responsible for this?
  5. jekasimf
    jekasimf
    +2
    April 20 2019 17: 01
    Why such a panic? Who issued such information? No links to sources, nor the name of the author.
    1. vik669
      vik669
      -2
      April 21 2019 12: 58
      Why such a panic? And what kind of PD-14 is this - Repin's painting "sailed"
    2. vik669
      vik669
      0
      April 22 2019 18: 30
      Domestic engine PD-14 passed the European audit
      https://finobzor.ru/78294-dvigatel-pd-14-proshel-audit-evropeyskim-agentstvom-aviabezopasnosti.html

      So is it possible to believe what is written on fences and on the Internet, and is it always necessary to give money if asked?
  6. gennady_2
    gennady_2
    +3
    April 20 2019 18: 01
    Quote: jekasimf
    Why such a panic? Who issued such information? No links to sources, nor the name of the author.

    the article is intentionally distorted and incomplete. full version here https://rg.ru/2019/04/20/rossijskij-aviadvigatel-pd-14-gotoviat-k-poletam-v-evropu-i-za-okean.html
    and that article (this one), on the contrary, is written in a positive way from Academician Kablov. there is a link to the video. so the author who posted the trimmed material should be warned for such cases. This article is called "The Russian PD-14 aircraft engine is being prepared for flights to Europe and overseas." Thus, the author who posted here deliberately whips up the negative against Russia.
    1. Kristallovich
      Kristallovich
      +1
      April 20 2019 20: 13
      What is distorted? Created PD-14, undergo flight tests. At the same time, another 12 billion rubles are needed for some kind of revision so that Europeans will certify. And immediately create an appropriate engine to create an option? And what does this revision mean? What will it be? It looks like a regular cut.

      PS Of course, everything will be described in a positive way in the WG. This is the unspoken mouthpiece of the Kremlin. And you need to write not positively or negatively, but as it is. That is the truth, whatever it may be.
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      2. milaro222
        milaro222
        0
        April 25 2019 00: 03
        Additional funds are allocated for certification, which in itself is very complex and requires large funds. So, to prove the reliability of the engine, you need special stands and lengthy tests. It may be necessary to produce a batch of engines that will be disposed of after certification. At the same time, 12 billion is the maximum amount. How much money will be spent on certification, no one can say. Maybe 1 billion, and maybe 12.
        Of course, during certification, European authorities may have special requirements that no one initially adjusted to, which may entail the need for improvements, which is a completely normal situation.

        The form of information that you submitted completely distorts the essence of the situation. In fact, this is a pure lie.
    2. vik669
      vik669
      +1
      April 21 2019 09: 25
      So about the positive in more detail or the appetite comes with eating!
    3. sgrabik
      sgrabik
      0
      April 21 2019 16: 32
      So now they have already introduced a new law for the intentional publication of distorted or false information that does not correspond to reality. But despite this, the mass of this very, untested by anyone, very doubtful information, as it was pouring a dirty river, continues to pour, from various media that are not clean at hand. So obviously someone is interested in this.
  7. steelmaker
    steelmaker
    +2
    April 20 2019 20: 09
    It is necessary that Europe and the USA pass certification with us!
  8. Fedot yes not That
    Fedot yes not That
    0
    April 20 2019 20: 20
    Afftara article in the studio!
    1. vik669
      vik669
      -1
      April 21 2019 09: 25
      And the engine too!
  9. gennady_2
    gennady_2
    +2
    April 20 2019 20: 33
    Quote: Kristallovich
    What is distorted?

    Is this your article? the article was written in a Russian newspaper. you completely change its name "PD-14 is being prepared for flights to Europe and overseas", to your "PD-14 is not suitable for flights to Europe".
    further more, you cut out the positive and insert your negative, replacing the meaning. for example in bold in this article

    has announced a tender to finalize PD-14 - with a view to its international certification at the European Safety Agency

    your phrase

    PD-14 was unsuitable for use in Europe and the United States.

    where do these conclusions come from? that’s why you didn’t give a link to the article and cross-checked everything. why didn’t you give a link to the original, but launch a lie in the media space?
    1. vik669
      vik669
      -2
      April 20 2019 21: 05
      Yes, about 12 billion rubles in more detail - well, I really want to cut it, not at the logging!
    2. vik669
      vik669
      -1
      April 20 2019 21: 43
      and run into the media space a lie

      Probably the truth is much worse, since such a mouse fuss after screaming about "having no analogs in the world"!
    3. Kristallovich
      Kristallovich
      +3
      April 21 2019 08: 48
      Once again, for the especially gifted: the engine was created, it has been flying the IL-76LL for three or four years, and has received a type certificate in Russia. PD-14 is considered as the main one for the MS-21, which, in turn, is designed to replace Airbuses and Boeing in the fleets of Russian carriers.

      Now it turns out that the engine cannot be certified in Europe, because it does not have the proper reliability. That is, the PD-14 can not be allowed to fly to Europe (the United States is not considered, the MS-21 will not physically reach there). Question - European designers were not aware of our designers? I doubt it.

      you cut the positive and paste your negative

      What is positive carved? I personally do not see anything good in a tender announcement. See above why. Although this point is indicated in the text.

      where do these conclusions come from?

      Can you prove the opposite? PD-14 is unsuitable for flights to the EU, it simply will not be allowed there according to the Russian certificate. We worked a dozen years on the engine so that it did not meet international requirements. And now submit another 12 billion. This, by the way, is quite a lot of money.

      and run into the media space a lie?

      What is the lie? In my opinion, you have problems with the perception of information. Or "brain patriotism." This is when people do not see problems, sacredly believing that everything is fine.
      1. vik669
        vik669
        -2
        April 21 2019 09: 33
        So it was created a dozen years specifically under the IL-76LL or all the same for the MS-21, taking into account the fact that the MS-21 is not able to fly outside of Russia? Nobody needs!
        1. Kristallovich
          Kristallovich
          0
          April 21 2019 09: 43
          IL-76LL is a flying laboratory. Test stand, if you want. Actually, he is in the photo
          1. vik669
            vik669
            -2
            April 21 2019 10: 47
            IL-76LL is a flying laboratory. A fourth piece of pipe can be attached to the three normal PS-90s and tested for a long and expensive time at the request of reindeer herders. But for Europe and the USA it turned out to be not enough all of a sudden for some reason, or rather, as always!
        2. sgrabik
          sgrabik
          0
          April 21 2019 16: 40
          Ignoramus, do not disgrace and do not write all this ...
      2. vik669
        vik669
        -2
        April 21 2019 09: 35
        This can only be in the "durka" and in ...!
        1. sgrabik
          sgrabik
          0
          April 21 2019 16: 42
          It’s clear from everything that you yourself are from a fool and write.
          1. vik669
            vik669
            0
            April 21 2019 20: 19
            That's how we live. Here we write ...!
      3. milaro222
        milaro222
        +1
        April 25 2019 00: 12
        Now it turns out that the engine cannot be certified in Europe, because it does not have the proper reliability.

        It's a lie. The engine will be certified. Certification requires a lot of time, resources and money. Product refinements during the certification process are quite normal, since everyone has different requirements and no one has specifically adapted to Europeans.
        The engine has the required reliability, but this reliability must be proved in order to obtain a certificate. This is the problem.
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  11. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha
    +4
    April 21 2019 11: 09
    Well stupid people. Please tell me how many engines in Europe, in the USA, brought their engines, to their now famous aircraft? Several decades, including the use of Russian know-how. We just started developing our PD-14 and it’s all gone and gone. It’s disgusting from our bastards, they say, ours aren’t capable, they are only cutting the budget, etc. And who are you, you do not relate yourself to those, that makes our history, develops science? Or maybe yes, you are such, just outside observers and dependents, and it’s your honor to shit on your country.
  12. Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev
    +1
    April 21 2019 12: 12
    Money doesn't smell ...
    1. vik669
      vik669
      -2
      April 21 2019 12: 53
      Shit smells of money!
  13. Galar
    Galar
    +1
    April 21 2019 18: 16
    Quote: Gennady_2
    and that article (real), on the contrary, was written in a positive way from Academician Kablov.

    But they announce a tender of some kind. What it is? The engine was developed in Perm. What other tender? And why do you need 12 billion p. if the engine is ready? What the hell is going on?
    1. vik669
      vik669
      0
      April 21 2019 22: 14
      And this is called "the engine is ready!", But ... What is the first time what is it!
    2. milaro222
      milaro222
      +1
      April 25 2019 00: 15
      The engine is ready. Certification is very expensive, and Europeans can present their requirements for revision.
      You can’t just bring an engine and you will be given a piece of paper that you can fly. These are thousands of checks and tests. We need test batches of engines that will be killed in the process and disposed of.
  14. fork posix
    fork posix
    -1
    April 22 2019 01: 14
    Quote: Kristallovich
    What is distorted? Created PD-14, undergo flight tests. At the same time, another 12 billion rubles are needed for some kind of revision so that Europeans will certify. And immediately create an appropriate engine to create an option?

    Quote: Kristallovich
    And immediately create an appropriate engine to create an option?

    Among the Russians, a staggeringly large number of militant amateurs.
    What are you doing in life? Are you shifting the papers? Honestly, I want to find you and spit in your face for enchanting stupidity. You still ask the baby to start talking in Russian after birth - no, but what, really, isn’t it an option to start talking right away?
    1. Kristallovich
      Kristallovich
      +2
      April 22 2019 08: 40
      Spit in the mirror you are looking at. More meaning will be. Perhaps you’ll think about your behavior. Engineering may not be fast, but it's not just some kind of refinement. This is specifically about European certification. It turns out that we have lower engine requirements than in neighboring Europe. How to explain this? And judging by the cost of the tender - significantly lower.
  15. fork posix
    fork posix
    0
    April 22 2019 01: 17
    Quote: Anchonsha
    Well stupid people. Tell me, please, how many in Europe, in the USA did you bring your engines to your now famous aircraft? Several decades, including using the know-how of Russia. We just started developing our PD-14 and it’s all gone and gone. It’s disgusting from our bastards, they say, ours aren’t capable, they are only cutting the budget, etc. And who are you, you do not relate yourself to those, that makes our history, develops science? Or maybe yes, you are such, just outside observers and dependents, and it’s your honor to shit on your country

    finally a reasonable comment
    here the question is not even about the country: it’s just engineering - it’s like that, it’s not quickly done, even if you’re at least a hundred pizzas in the forehead.
  16. Alexey Shinkin
    Alexey Shinkin
    +1
    April 22 2019 08: 05
    Whether the Americans !!! They make flying coffins and they get away with it !!! Artificial restriction of competition leads to a decrease in quality. Like, there’s no other.
  17. Anton Pashkov
    Anton Pashkov
    +2
    April 24 2019 05: 20
    PS-90A is suitable for flights to Europe and America, and the latest PD-14 is unsuitable? Is there a link to a European source about the unsuitability of the engine? And it looks very much like noodles for the domestic consumer, to once again cut the Russian budget.
  18. sH, arK
    sH, arK
    0
    2 May 2019 18: 35
    Some kind of liberal nonsense! Firstly, the engine has not passed the tests yet - it's too early to talk about certification by any standards! During development, all requirements for noise, emission, resource, reliability were laid with a very good margin for the most stringent standards, because the engine is primarily designed for a twin-engine aircraft! But for now, the engine is still in preparation for certification!