Putin's fatal mistake

I already predict how much slop will pour out on me now, how many people will hang on me the label of a regular provocateur sitting on the suction of the State Department, Mossad, the Security Service of Ukraine, the CIA, MI-6 and others, how many copies of my straw scarecrow will break, but anyway - I it has to say.




I suspected it from the very beginning, I saw it with my own eyes, moreover, I constantly talked about it and wrote about it, but everything was drowned in the choir of Russian patriots, with foam in my mouth proving to me that everything was done correctly in 2014 and the invasion of Russian troops into Ukraine to restore the constitutional order there at the request of its legitimately elected president, was never part of the Kremlin’s plans. At the same time, they did not forget to show me the middle finger and remind me that saving the drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves and we will have to drink this cup to the bottom. At the same time, a feeling of gloating overwhelmed them. They were not sobering even the consequences received by the Russian Federation, in the form of furious territory, constantly throwing up problems for them. I was accused of the fact that in my smelly desire to scoop up heat with the wrong hands, I wanted to force Russia with the coffins of Russian boys all the way to Sakhalin. That it’s all the State Department’s sweet dream to draw Russia into the war in Ukraine, and I’m a paid agent Mossad (what does Mossad have to do with it, I still don’t understand? As always in Russia, Jews are to blame for everything!). What could I object to this?

I saw the helplessness and confusion of the junta at the first moment when the power fell at their feet, and they did not even know what to do with it. I saw a lack of understanding of what is happening in most of the people around me, and the hope that Yanukovych or Putin would intervene and not allow outrage. And then I, too, like everyone else, hoped for a “cunning Putin plan” (KPP), thinking that now something would happen. All sane people thought so. Most of the Ukrainian population at that time was for Yanukovych, in the ratio of 65 to 35, (even those who were against the Maidan changed their point of view, because the coup d'etat was already too much!), Everyone was waiting, if not from him, then at least from GDP action. And the GDP has undertaken them. Crimea happened. The junta hung in confusion, terrified of the continuation, hoping only to the West. At that time, they did not have the strength to resist. All security officials were on the side of the runaway president. I saw it from the inside, but I had no evidence. Now they have appeared. Below I will introduce them. The junta hoped for the West, and the West also hung. He did not even expect this from Putin. This was the first moment of truth. Then there were two more such moments - the burnt Odessa and the attack on Mariupol, after which Putin each time had a chance to break a negative trend for himself. But he did not take these chances, after which the events acquired an irreversible character. These were peculiar points of no return, after which none of the warring parties had a back road.

But the situation nevertheless developed. Donbass rose behind the Crimea in anticipation of a repeat of the Crimean scenario. Kharkov was also in the hands of the Separs. Everyone was waiting. On the main street of Kharkov, a 10-thousandth crowd carried the flag of the Russian Federation the length of a football field. The RSA was already in the hands of the rebels. Kernes hung on the twine. Monument to Lenin was still standing. Everyone was waiting for Putin. And they waited! Vinnytsia "Jaguar" came. Packed everyone. I saw it all with my own eyes - eyes to eyes. I will never forget the eyes of the commander of this special forces, these were not the eyes of a man - an animal from which the stench came. I felt this only in the zoo, in the elephant (who was, will understand). As a result, about a hundred people went straight from there to the Poltava and Kiev pre-trial detention centers. What happened to the Donbass, you also know. Now everyone thanks Kernes for laying down under Beny and saving Kharkov from this horror. After the Russian Federation betrayed the Donbass, no one here wants to repeat his feat. That is all that Russia has achieved in Ukraine then. Now the train has irrevocably left. Russia lost Ukraine forever. Rejoice! I got documentary evidence of my words about the readiness of the SBU, Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the entire left-bank Ukraine to “lie down” under the “tired battalion”. Not because of great love for the Russian Federation, not at all, just selfish interest, they did not expect anything good from the new government. And they did it right. Subsequently, the entire power top was cleaned and lustrated, the middle link was also partially cleaned up, the rest who remained were repainted, most were forced to. The "tired battalion" did not come. Now it’s too late to drink Borjomi.

О politicians judged not by what they say, but by what they do. After the words of GDP that we are one people, and the Russian Federation will not allow neglecting the opinion of the inhabitants of the South-East, everyone was waiting for action. And they waited ... for the recognition of Gunpowder. I’ll tell you more, even in the Donbass, and I communicate with them every day, 80% of the population has a negative attitude towards Putin, 20% still hope for something, but they simply have no other choice. What does the Russian Federation not recognize Donbass? Little did they shed blood? Or not enough Russians? What more do you want from them? Draw a cross on the belly with a yellow felt-tip pen ?! So already painted ... with blood.

Putin had a chance to painlessly and bloodlessly solve the Ukrainian issue once and for all in 2014, even before the Poroshenko election. Everything was in his hands - permission of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation to send troops, the troops themselves and the request of the legally elected runaway president. I didn’t dare. Now raking. I do not think that sanctions for this would be more than already available. What prevented that, the question? I was afraid of or what circumstances, we do not know, I hope, weighty, not selfish. I hope I really hope not to be disappointed in him. The situation in a strange way diametrically unfolded after the conversation between the GDP and the President of Switzerland, Didier Burkhalter. I am sure that half of you first heard this name. What did this “bra” say to him, I don’t know? What are the arguments cited, too. But as a result of this conversation, the GDP gave the go-ahead; Donbass was frozen, even Marik, when there was such an opportunity, was not taken. The key to unraveling the inconsistency of the Kremlin’s actions lies precisely in that conversation. But we all argue from the positions we know, for too long I myself have explained the Kremlin’s position with some kind of KhPP, now I see that there is no one with KPP. It was a mistake. Fatal! Which is worse than a crime. Now the train has left, nothing can be changed, this territory has been lost for the Russian Federation for a long time, if not forever.

It's time to bring you the promised evidence that everything could be completely wrong. And I understand perfectly well that in this case my words will not be enough for you, therefore I have secured the opinion of a person whom you all trust, of course. This is Oleg Tsarev. A regional deputy of many convocations, a worthy person, a presidential candidate of Ukraine of that same notorious campaign of 2014, a person who has never changed his principles and almost paid for it with his life. He is now on the lists for the shooting at the "Right Sector" under number 1. The weight of his words is given by the fact that in his fraction he was responsible for the power block. He personally contacted all the top-level security officials in Ukraine. He still has his informants in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, SBU and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (we are all human beings and we all want to live, and the security forces are no exception), and then he was in the highest offices. He personally knew the entire leadership of the SBU, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, including regional and district administrations, and he controlled the situation in the army at the command level of individual units and subunits. This is exactly the person whose words can be trusted. Unfortunately, until a certain moment he was silent. Apparently, not everything could be said. Everything has its time. But in 2013, he was the first from the rostrum of the Verkhovna Rada to declare that a coup was being prepared by the Americans in Ukraine:


It was November 2013th. There was nothing yet. Even the "brutal beating of the children." Unfortunately, no one heard him then. He now knows much more than he can say. Especially in the Donbass. And finally, he spoke of the events of 2014. I give a recording, listen:


Everything is interesting there, but we are interested in what he said at 19:55 min. Oleg Tsarev, of course you recognize his voice, he said such that my hands just dropped. No, I knew this even before Tsarev, according to personal observations, I just did not have such authoritative confirmation of my words. But I was sure that sooner or later the truth would come up and it would come out! And so she surfaced.

Oleg speaks about this with bitterness and sadness. Unfortunately, nothing depended on him at that moment. Everything was in the hands of the Kremlin. If GDP didn’t go down then, believe me, we would be talking about completely different things now. Unfortunately, history has no subjunctive mood. Then it was necessary to act decisively and quickly. How Putin knows how. As he demonstrated in the Crimea, and later in Syria. Why he did not do this in Ukraine, I have a question from questions. Believe me, then he could simply turn this fucking card table with one easy and elegant leg movement, breaking all the plans of our unfortunate conspirators through the knee, leaving them overseas curators with nothing, classically seizing control, and playing from that moment already the first number, and not the second, as he does now, raking 5 years from under the US hooves, and only minimizing the damage from their actions. Moreover, fate gave him this chance several times in a row. True, each subsequent one was already worse than the previous one. Oleg speaks about Kharkov, Odessa, a little later about Mariupol (all of you remember this stopped offensive, which has no explanation so far). I confirm this, I am a living witness to this (at least, everything went on in Kharkov before my eyes). Everything was so!

In 2014, Putin could take Ukraine with his bare hands. Without a single shot! He had everything for this. All police, all SBU without exception, plus the whole army, according to Oleg, was for the Russian Federation. And not even because she loved very much, but because they understood that nothing shines with the new government. I remember how in the early days of the ATO, people stopped the APU columns with almost bare hands and disarmed them. The soldiers were not ready to fight against their people. The junta had to shed the first blood. And she spilled. After which the point of no return was passed and the bloody carousel spun. But Putin could have prevented all of this. At least, the whole left-bank Ukraine with flowers would meet his “tired battalion”. Moreover, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would immediately take the side of the Russian Federation, as happened in the Crimea. There would be no coffins to the Urals, as the patriots try to reproach me, Ukraine would be relieved and grateful to meet its liberators, parade marching right up to the place to which they would want at that moment. I think that only in the west of Ukraine they would not be welcome, but they would have reconciled, because there is no reception against scrap. As a result, Ukraine would remain a country friendly to the Russian Federation, it was not necessary to conquer it for this, it was only necessary to help restore the constitutional order violated by the junta. And that’s it! There would be no war in the Donbass, no constant hemorrhoids with the remaining infuriated territory, there would be neither Thomas, nor problems with the hydraulic structures, would save a lot of money on the construction of the Kerch bridge, and maybe even SP-2 would not have to be pulled. They would have broken all the plans for the Americans, maybe they would have received sanctions for it, not the fact that they are bigger than you have now, but they would have rewritten the story in their own way, playing on their own notes, not on the American ones, as Putin brilliantly did in Syria because maybe when he wants! And there the operation was more complicated than the Ukrainian one!). Here is such a sad result from all of the above.

We figured out what was said above, this is a given, it is no longer possible to change it, but I cannot understand one more thing. Why on your federal channels, with persistence worthy of a better application, continue to form the image of an enemy out of a Ukrainian, inviting regular morons to them, proving with foam at the mouth that Ukraine is not Russia, and cutting off those Ukrainians who think differently? It is clear that this is not done at the personal request of Konstantin Ernst, Norkin or Kiselev, it is clear that there is an order from above. And despite Putin's words that we are, in fact, one people, divided in the 90s by criminals-politicians, this has been going on with tripled energy for five years now. What for?! Why are you making such a furrow between us, which will not grow over another 40-50 years? This is what I cannot understand. What my Russian "non-brothers" do not advise me - and kill myself against a wall, and strangle myself, and take a machine gun and go to fight in Donbass, and derail trains, and take poison, and get behind them. And if they tell me this, from the first day of the Maidan, who opposed him and did not hide their location (Kharkiv), what do they expect from those who start every day by believing whether Putin is under his bed or not ... As a result, the number of those who sympathize with Russia in Ukraine asymptotically tends to zero.

At the same time, unbridled propaganda is also going on in Ukraine, even worse than yours, here even expressing your point of view that diverges from the official one is already an act. And come out May 9 with the flag of Victory - 3 years in prison. Loving Russia somewhere in Samara or St. Petersburg is not a big feat, and you try to say the same with us. How many times have the SBU scared me, I’ve even lost count. But I have to admit that there are less and less people like me every year of your passive non-interference. Everything comes to an end, and so does hope. The same mood prevails in the Donbass. Even worse, much worse! Five years there people live between heaven and earth, and the end and the edge are not visible. I communicate with them every day. The mood is getting worse and worse. They were simply betrayed, making the situation hostage! What is their fault? You can not trade the fate of people. What attitude does the Russian Federation expect of its last sympathizers in Ukraine, demonstrating such an attitude to the Donbass. People think, holy is holy, that it’s not me, and they lose their last respect for their great Motherland.

At the same time, you absolutely groundlessly declare that the nation of hereditary traitors should drink this cup to the bottom and only that it cannot atone for its blood with blood. Hopes that it should itself burn out, self-cleaning of the body occurs, and Ukrainians on the belly crawl to ask for forgiveness from Moscow, they are naive, if not stupid. Have you seen a lot of Germans in Nazi Germany going out on protest marches against Hitler? Even in April 1945 they recorded in the folk assault and Hitler Youth and voluntarily went to the front to defend the 3rd Reich. But as soon as our troops took Berlin, as early as May, standing in lines to our field kitchens, they firmly believed that they had hated fascism all this time. And just the information background and the external environment have just changed. I hope, having quoted Oleg Tsarev above, I have already proved to you that there’s nothing to blame us for. In 2014, it would cost only one consolidated regiment of the Airborne Forces to land somewhere, not even in the government quarter of Kiev, but near Kharkov, as the number of sympathizers of Russia would grow hundreds of times. And as he moved to Kiev, it would grow exponentially and, on the approach to Khreshchatyk, would exceed the number of Ukrainian citizens, including infants. It is clear that now we are not talking about any regiment or even a division. The moment is lost. And forever! It’s bitter to me to talk about it, but only you are to blame for it. More precisely, not you, but your leadership. The train left, nothing can be changed, this territory has been lost for Russia for a long time, if not forever, and this is thanks to you, not to everyone, of course, but to such patriots, about whom I said above. Come on, dig guys, the ditch between us, maybe it’s better? ..

I think that after all of the above, the endless dispute with the Russian Psvedo-patriots that we wanted to save Russia with coffins right up to Sakhalin, saving our asses, is closed. I am especially touched by their calls to overthrow the junta by themselves, to leave for partisan detachments and to derail trains. They are either morons or pretend. Even during the Second World War, the partisan underground did not grow like a thistle in a wasteland, the relevant authorities left sleeping cells in the occupied territory, around which foci of resistance appeared to the enemy. The sense is that I will come out with the flag of the Russian Federation and the sign "Poroshenko-kazel!" To the square? One hero will become less, and in the cell of the pre-trial detention center of the SBU there will be one more convict.

Summary

De facto Ukraine has lost its subjectivity, becoming a servant of overseas masters. She cannot even choose a president for herself; she asks everything from the owner. This is an objective reality. If you are satisfied with this mess on your borders, which can easily spread to you, be patient. There are five nuclear power plants, the problems with which all your current problems will make complete nonsense, the Americans will drop measles from here (bio-laboratories right in the Kharkov region, have you had any outbreaks for a long time?), And deploy missiles if you want. Like? Eat on health, only then do not complain. No one for the Russian Federation will not solve your problems. It will only get worse!

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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 February 2019 09: 18
    -1
    Oh, the author wants Putin to do what the author wants. Commendable. But Putin did not want and the author was offended. Not commendable.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 11: 15
      +7
      It is better to remain silent and seem like a fool than to speak and dispel all doubts

      Mark Twain
      1. Conn Offline Conn
        Conn (Conn) 18 February 2019 19: 49
        -2
        The author simply cited facts and nothing more, but Putin is just a colonel, and not fighting, and his thinking is at the same level as that of the former member of the thieves organized crime group Kumarin ... that's the whole picture ...
        1. Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
          Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 19 February 2019 00: 40
          +5
          Mr. anonymous, how would Putin, whom you hate for some reason, send an army to Ukraine, your son too, and he would die including, what would you bleat then? Yes, the opposite didn’t distort the name of the president, but would demand to judge him. And the people of Ukraine, how they looked at Putin and how they spoke about him, since now you even insult him? So silent is better if people are nothing for you and you can dispose of them at once and send them to fight.
        2. S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
          S.V.YU 20 February 2019 07: 50
          +1
          In the KGB, idiots and just fools did not take! And before the colonel, in this ,, office ,,, it will not be easy to get it! So don’t need a guy LA --- LA!
  2. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 18 February 2019 09: 42
    +4
    Everyone was waiting for Putin.

    Key phrase of the article. Everything else blah blah blah.
    All 23 years (since 1991) were sitting and "waiting for Putin." The German communists, for example, did not wait for the arrival of Stalin, and from the very beginning of the birth of fascism in their country they fought against the brown plague. True, we lost, but in a fight.
    And on the outskirts, our fellow tribesmen could not even create any intelligible political movement or party in 23 years. And it was Putin who was "to blame".

    On the main street of Kharkov, a 10 thousandth crowd carried the flag of the Russian Federation ...

    Yes, it would be better if this crowd was armed and sent to Kiev. And marching with flags should be according to Khreshchatyk after the victory. It is surprising that half the size of Donetsk was able, but not of Kharkov. Already where, where, and in the military-industrial center, which is Kharkov, there is where to get weapons.

    ... according to Oleg ...

    The "argument" is simply lethal. lol
    Che that I have never seen Tsarev nor that with a weapon in his hands, but just in camouflage. Apparently Tsarev is the main expectant of Putin. crying
    HELP THOSE WHO ALSO DO SOMETHING.
    Crimea wanted, they helped him. Donbass began resistance, they help him. The rest of the Outskirts is a swamp. Sitting and waiting.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 11: 22
      +2
      I personally saw Oleg Tsarev with an AK in his hands when he was leaving the Dnieper, and pravoseki had already announced a hunt for him. In camouflage, I saw Petya the confectioner, and what? But for you - the soldier has already dressed khaki.
      1. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 18 February 2019 13: 57
        +9
        I personally saw Oleg Tsarev with AK in his hands when he was leaving the Dnieper ....

        Dnipro is my hometown. So shaw, I don’t have to tell for Tsarev.
        And the problem is not in 2014. And not in what and how Putin did that year.
        The problem is that the Russian Outskirts were idle as the Bandera-Fascism was revived. And it did not begin with the collapse of the Union, but much earlier. I’m telling you this as a witness.
        And when the fried Bandera rooster pecked in the ass, they squealed "Save Putin." Where have you all been "smart" before?

        Then you will see how many minuses yours will collect

        Yes, I did not care about the cons.
        I'm really sorry for you fools. What do you still not understand what is happening and how on the outskirts. Even those who live there, not everyone understands.
        Yes, many there are unhappy with the rampant Bandera. But this does not mean that Russian soldiers would be welcomed there with bread and salt. The ideas of nationalism penetrated very strongly into Ukrainian society.
        The Russian special services are not in vain eating their bread. And all such analytics are at the disposal of the Russian leadership. Therefore, troops were not brought in. Therefore, the United States and NATO tried to drag the Russian army there. Such a step would consolidate the Ukrainians precisely around the Bandera fascists.
        This topic (unfortunately) is not for one comment.
        Yes, much has been written about this in the internet by other authors. But the DLB still blame Putin and Russia for everything.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 15: 35
          +1
          The Dnieper is a hotbed not of Bandera, but of the Yid-Bandera, it’s not about nationality, I treat Jews very well, even more than that, these comrades do not give a damn about Bandera’s ideals, for the most part they don’t even know the Mova, they don’t even need it, under this sign they simply wring out what lies bad. And now, crowds of dressed-up operetny fascists, who are today fascists, tomorrow will be communists, and then by whom, even evangelists of the seventh day, run around ukra. All these fascists are manual, popping up and popping into the box at the command of the puppeteers from the oligarchs, the real Bandera people are not here, not yet, but they will grow up. Generation born 2000 and older have already been lost by us, a nationalist weed has grown up with brainwashed in school. And if parents with badly nailed roofs, then finally Khan!
    2. Abram Jam Offline Abram Jam
      Abram Jam (Abram Jam) 18 February 2019 14: 13
      +8
      HELP THOSE WHO ALSO DO SOMETHING.
      Crimea wanted, they helped him. Donbass began resistance, they help him. The rest of the Outskirts is a swamp. Sitting and waiting

      Both on. What a tough one though. I'm telling you. I personally went out on two maydauns against evil spirits. Participated in official and unofficial events, conferences, conventions, baton battles, etc. I risked my life a bit. I saw when the regional committee was on fire and when they were shot at Rymarskaya in Kharkov - I saw everything at arm's length. I saw how people with sticks in packs climbed under the pool. I saw a gigantic rush. With a flag, a May Day demonstration of the time of the USSR was going on to the Russian Embassy in Kharkov. I saw rallies of 60 thousand on Dzerzhinsky Square - people came WITHOUT ONE KOPEYK. I met someone from school I did not see, someone from kindergarten. HOW YOU STILL WANT TO WANT? TO BURN EVERYONE as in ODESSA!? .. What else should the bleeding, tormented Donbass do to be recognized and saved from the cannibalistic creature. This nonsense about "wanting" is tantamount to a demand in 1941 to stop Guderian's tank wedges with shovels, or to achieve by "rallies" - "all-up" the dashing lifting of the occupation of Kharkov in 1942. Fundamentally different methods and means and forces are needed. Against ordinary unprepared people stands the united might of the West (CIA, Mossad, MI-6), which is teeming in ukra, with punitive battalions, already divisions, armed to the teeth, equipped with a license to kill. And everywhere, especially gifted, they carry senseless sad garbage about "stand up." Delirium infused with infernal boogers. Nah, something is wrong there, growing up. manual. Even I, drowning to the floor and without a rear speed behind the GDP, became disillusioned with it. Too many different signals of weakness, sluggishness and failure.
      The Russian Federation scoured ukra for a long time and thoroughly. In an adult way ... Zero help to the Russian organizations that were knocking sent signals, by ambassadors, such as Zurabov, with their complete shining lack of ukroSMI, strategic mistakes in the form of cooperation with a party of thieving, Jewish rats and villains, unwillingness to seek, educate, promote personnel. Willingness to call Obama to press on the vegetable so that he withdraws troops. GDP itself, it was recently told at the forum, that Merkelikha made a call to stop the attack on Marik, which stupidly saved the reptile from collapse. An inarticulate mooing about Odessa, the massacre in the center of Europe, inconceivable in modern times, recognition after this of a parasitic image, etc. etc. It’s bitter to watch the Russian Federation scooping up spits, cracks and sub-scribes from everywhere, behaving like a whore-patient, bleating in response to regret and concern. We were proud: well, finally, a new weapon. Waited, here it is. But "what good is a sharp sword if it is in the hands of a coward" - says a Japanese proverb. We know the result. Again, it is known how the USSR behaved during the time of comrade. Stalin, by what methods did Comrade solve the problems Sudoplatov, Eitingon, etc. At the time of the murder of Comrade Stalin, the USSR controlled 75% of the world's population.
  3. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 18 February 2019 09: 48
    -3
    Here is such a sad result from all of the above.

    ... here is such a stupid conclusion from all of the above. crying
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 11: 23
      0
      Where the mind is lacking - everything is lacking ...

      Savile Halifax George
    2. vasa.nikolaeva Offline vasa.nikolaeva
      vasa.nikolaeva (Vasa Nikolaeva) 23 January 2020 14: 05
      +1
      Do not judge too strictly the author. He is not a soldier, he is a writer, a publicist and sooooo worried about everything that happens in his homeland. And bursts of emotions - this is no stranger to anyone. I have an assumption about who he is. And, if I’m not mistaken, then he is one of those who, throughout the period from 14 to the present day, writes articles in which he mercilessly fights ..... I’m not sure what he writes under a pseudonym - will help him avoid the junta punishment, if only he will remain on the territory of Nenko. In these articles - his ENDLESS pain expressed verbally.
  4. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
    Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 18 February 2019 09: 50
    -2
    What is the military rank of Tsarev? Field Marshal or rise higher?
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 11: 24
      +5
      and what military rank did Zakhar have? and Givi? and Motor?
      1. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 18 February 2019 13: 30
        +4
        and what military rank did Zakhar have? and Givi? and Motor?

        They, unlike the balabol Tsarev, fought.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 15: 49
          +1
          There is only one balabol, and you know him. What did you personally do to prevent this from happening? Tsarev risked his life, family, and what are you doing? ... - do not toss the bags! The Dnieper lay under fascists the first of the left-bank Ukraine. Thank Bene and comrades.
        2. S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
          S.V.YU 20 February 2019 07: 55
          0
          Not everyone is capable of being Fighters!
      2. Abram Jam Offline Abram Jam
        Abram Jam (Abram Jam) 18 February 2019 14: 46
        +4
        and what military rank did Zakhar have? and Givi? and Motor? .. Zahara? and Givi? and at the Motor ..

        By the way, ordinary guys have fried in the tail and mane of "academic" colonels, generals and overseas advisers with fancy PMCs. And by the way .... where did all the cool thieves, rasping-buzzing, go when the moment came? When did you need to risk your life ?! Everyone was blown away and smelled in their holes. This is not to jam a crowd of comics or to burn out on arrows. And ordinary guys from the people, whom they considered suckers, stood up and showed how to fight correctly and who is who. And what is real courage, and not thugs show-off. Because vocation, spirit, and genetic sharpening. Eternal Glory to the Donbass Chegevaras!
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  6. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 10: 55
    +7
    The first error of the author. Putin did not scare. Unlike what is written in the media, Putin has no plan to save and restore someone. I'm afraid that he has no plan to even save Russia. And even in Syria, Putin will not only save Assad, but confront ISIS. So, just to remind you: Putin is not the president of Ukraine or even the president of the USSR. Putin is the president of the Russian Federation. Yes, I also believe that in 2014 it was impossible to recognize Poroshenko and stop the attack on Mariupol. But non-recognition of election results does not mean war. These are two big differences.
    The second error of the author. Why did he decide that the opinion of O. Tsarev means something to us? One of the deputies, and not the smartest one (I saw his interview back in 2014). Man is confused in history, geography. I personally never considered him an authoritative politician. His name surfaced only in the wake of the events of 2014.
    The third mistake. Why did the author decide that 65% of the population supported Yanukovych and opposed Maidan? I have been conducting discussions since almost 2013. With residents of Kiev as well. I have different proportions. My friends (Jews, by the way) actively supported the Maidan and actively participated in it. And personally in the square, and helped financially. When Yanukovych wanted to fly from Donetsk to Lugansk, it was the security forces who didn’t let him in, moreover, under the threat of the presidential helicopter being destroyed in the air. Power structures were against the Maidan? How many soldiers, policemen, prosecutors, judges went over to the side of LDNR? How many people sent Donetsk to help Yanukovych at the end of 2013? Everyone writes about the militants brought to the square. Who knows how many people went to Kiev to disperse the Maidan? Almost everyone hated Yanukovych.
    The fourth mistake. What "sane people" were waiting for Putin? Sane (in reality) people already knew in April 2014 that Putin would not come. The decision to build a bridge, a bypass road, the recognition of Poroshenko as president, non-recognition of the results of the referendum in Donetsk. What other hints do "sane people" need?
    Your "Wishlist" is connected with the fact that Putin will come and Ukraine will continue to live at the expense of its neighbor. Nerds, waiting to be in "lace panties" cut through the red light district in Amsterdam. The "sane" expected that Russia would continue to feed Ukraine at its own expense. Over the ten years from 2004 to 2014, Russia has been pumping into Ukraine at the most conservative estimates of $ 25 billion. Continue further?
    Crimea is a separate issue. I have no facts, but looking at the map and politics, I was almost from the time of Yushchenko sure that the Crimea will leave. And this is not so much the merit of Putin as the power block of the Russian Federation. Crimea turns the Black Sea into the inland sea of ​​Russia and holds the entire southern flank of NATO. How Kaliningrad is under attack North and Center of Europe. The life time of any NATO ship in the Black Sea is measured by the time of arrival of the Bastion.
    Remember, finally, "Putin will NOT come." The salvation of Ukraine is only in Donetsk and Lugansk. AND the worst the scenario for Russia is the recognition of LDNR now within its current borders. Just bad the scenario is the creation of New Russia and the partition of Ukraine along the Dnieper. Good script - from the field of dreams - the advance of LPR to Kiev and beyond. Denazification of the country and 20-40 years to restore it. Great script - Martians will come and all will die.
    Unfortunately, I am not a writer, not a blogger, and not a journalist. But short answers are indispensable. I apologize for such a long message.

    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 11: 12
      +7
      By the way, I forgot to mention. Video with Tsarev's performance in 2013. We listened and took note. Did you hear the noise in the hall? These are the deputies. So how many deputies supported Tsarev? I made a completely different conclusion from this video. The authorities in Ukraine did not want to hear Russian. And there is no need to write about the "brotherly" people. There are Russians who, by the will of fate, live in Ukraine. And there are Ukrainians - the enemies of the Russians. Understand at last - Ukraine is an anti-Russian project, under the banner of Austria-Hungary and with the Polish anthem. "We will never be brothers." And you are all trying to become a brother.
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 12: 08
        +1
        there were these scumbags in the Parliament from Freedom there were 8 people! and you judge them about the whole country !!! but now there are 99% of such people in the Rada - that’s all that you got with your non-intervention. And I'm not trying to become a brother, you are trying to throw me out of your heart, I have not changed - you have changed!
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 12: 38
          +5
          Judging by the noise there were clearly not 8 people. And in February 2014, almost 170 out of 90 deputies left the Party of Regions (Yanukovych). I can’t vouch for the numbers, you can clarify. More than half did not harness for the professor. Why did Putin have to harness?
          1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 13: 22
            0
            when behind you there is a crowd of marginals in balaclavas, it’s very difficult to maintain a civil position, you have no idea what was happening then in Kiev, about the regionals Kolesnikov and Chechetov jumping from the windows, did you hear anything? just tired of living, huh? here is a list far from complete of all traitors who died under strange circumstances, as you deigned to call them - https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3875460-ot-chechetova-do-berezhnoi-kak-umyrauit-eks-rehyonaly
            At the same time, pour zelenka or kefir on you, put it in a trash can, rivet it to a pillar of shame and kneel like that in the cold in front of the whole city - this is really nonsense, right ?! but you know better, then sitting in front of the computer. The topic is closed, I will not answer more. We are on opposite sides of the barricades. Everything is smooth with you. And I myself am to blame for what happened with us.
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 18 February 2019 20: 44
              +4
              Vladimir, you yourself said that the CROWD ... From the very beginning of this Maidan, I remembered the picture - the area is not small in size, the BITKOM is filled with embittered people ... Speak with the Airborne Regiment? And there was a crowd in what quantity? Calculations are offered from 75 to 180 thousand people (well, those who are not too lazy according to photographs and on the basis of calculations) ... Airborne Regiment - 1500-2000 people ... Nothing like that ... A meat grinder would have been noble ... Question: WHAT FOR?
              A bit of history.
              The initiator of the collapse was not only a drunkard. But some allied figures from the Ukrainian SSR and BSSR ... The question of what they had the right to violate the constitution is left out of the brackets ... The thing is different - it was from the outskirts that the party members DREAMED of small, but OWN uluses, khanates, sections, and others. Now let’s roll back in history even further - towards the end of the Second World War ... Stalin felt sorry for the MOST of the participants of the up-up. Most of the participants were sentenced to various terms of imprisonment. A very small part was not brought to justice at all. And a large number of undisclosed participants in Bandera joined the party, law enforcement agencies, state security agencies, the army, and held leading positions not only in the Ukrainian SSR, but throughout the USSR. All this bend did not FORGET their views - they simply lurked for the time being. And THIS MOMENT has come - 91-92 years. And they got out, and showed themselves. And now their children and spiritual heirs continue the banderization of the former USSR.
              I understand (but do not approve) Stalin - a large population decline as a result of the war and all that. But in the end, the decline in the population after the collapse of the USSR became comparable with another Great Patriotic War! It seems to me that the top leadership of the USSR understood that on the outskirts of the USSR everything could reach the next Civil War in the Union Republics. And preventing it, they dissolved the Union. Let's go, so to speak, to the least evil ... which also turned out to be evil and big losses.
              So Bandera did not appear from scratch - it was after the Second World War, and during the entire post-war period, until the complete collapse of the Soviet Union. Therefore, everything was predetermined in advance. And let's let the abscess burst as it should - this cannot be avoided. And to send troops - again to drive the bander into the underground? Yes, probably enough - let the Ukrainian people know what it is (otherwise why did so many support them?). Indeed, in the days of the USSR, in many cities and villages, Russians who were visiting were disdainful and pretended that they did not understand the Russian language and were denied service. This is also all in a common piggy bank. So why be surprised? Yes, we are fraternal peoples! But explain to me why the RF SHOULD solve the problems of the neighboring STATE? Or is Ukraine part of the Russian Federation? Why should we solve the problems of those who want to live independently after 1991? How it is? On what basis?
      2. businessv Offline businessv
        businessv (Vadim) 18 February 2019 12: 21
        +2
        Quote: Bakht
        Have you heard the noise in the hall? These are deputies. So how many deputies supported Tsarev? I made a completely different conclusion from this video. The authorities in Ukraine did not want to hear the Russian language.

        They themselves did not understand what they wrote, colleague? No need to mix power and people - their aspirations are diametrically opposite! We are one people, it is a fact, and the noise in the hall is created by the people who paid for it! Or do you think that the Maidan arranged the people? Then re-read the article again! hi
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 12: 40
          +6
          The people in Ukraine have long been split. Revolutions, riots, coups always suit a handful of people. Small and cohesive. And the people rushed for visa-free travel. Conduct a survey among your friends - how many people will support entry into the Russian Federation and the closure of borders with Europe?
        2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 18 February 2019 20: 46
          +4
          Vadim, the people did not oppose - this is the main thing. He did not rise against bandera and criminality (as in the Crimea, for example).
          True, there is one BUT: the authorities (for the most part) in Crimea did not betray their people (as in the Donbass) during the coup.
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 11: 41
      0
      Unlike you, Bakhtiyar, I live here and do not study people's opinions on TV. I know what I'm talking and writing. Unlike you. Believe me, to you with full respect, it’s just such a long conversation, you don’t know so much from the Crimea and the Donbass to the stress interview of Oleg Tsarev with this finished State Department hacking (have you ever had a stress interview yourself? Believe me, you’re the date do not immediately remember your own birth!) that you don’t even want to start. With which I completely agree with you that Putin is not the director of Ukraine, but the director of the Russian Federation, and therefore solving the problems of Ukraine is not his responsibility. But the whole point is that this abscess also affects you. And according to the ATS, you are mistaken, the GDP solved completely different problems there and solved them brilliantly!
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 12: 22
        +4
        I do not accept the thesis "You don't live here." The Nazis told me the same thing. I do not live in Ukraine or Russia. So I know better from the outside. Trust me. I went through emotional comments a long time ago. And those who say "lying as an eyewitness" are absolutely right. I'm not saying that you are lying. But your particulars overshadow the general. I absolutely do not care who Tsarev, Poroshenko or even Putin are. They act in the realities that they have. Even the Emperor cannot act as his left heel wishes. Why couldn't Emperor Commodus execute the simple gladiator Maximus in the movie "Gladiator"? Why did Nero never go against the opinion of the crowd? Why can't even Trump act as he pleases? There are state interests that they represent. From this point of view, the figure of Tsarev is absolutely uninteresting to anyone. And his opinion is just the opinion of a person. Standing above us on the social ladder, but still just one single opinion.
        In the video that I brought "We are with you on ... and" pay attention to the ending. Putin's words "What is happening in Ukraine is an internal affair of Ukraine. Of course we are terribly sorry ...."
        And now, moving away from the details, we turn to the general.
        The transition of Crimea to Russia was absolutely necessary from the point of view of Russia's interests. I already wrote why. And I see that two regions of the Russian Federation are pumping weapons to the eyeballs. This is Kaliningrad and Crimea. From a strategic point of view, this is correct. And the opinion of Tsarev, Poroshenko, Zelensky, Putin or Trump sideways. This is in the interests of the Russian state. Reformatting Ukraine through the influence (possibly military) of Donbass is in the interests of the Russian state.
        Everything else - who said what, who thought what or did not think - has no value. "Putin will come" only when the power bloc of Russia decides that it is beneficial from a strategic point of view. It is beneficial for Russia, not for those people who live in Donbass. It's cynical, but that's real politic. It is not visible yet. You can survive the sanctions. It will be more difficult to survive the war.
        Another global issue. Forceful seizure of Ukraine is probably possible. Here it is impossible to say for sure, but it was quite possible in 2014 and now. But this means a complete rejection of the political structure of the world. This is a rejection of the UN Institute, Helsinki and the Yalta Peace, which was paid for with the blood and lives of millions of Soviet people. This is exactly what the "Western democracies" are waiting for. And even if it is not always possible to maintain this "Yalta peace" now, it still exists. When Russian troops enter the territory of Ukraine, this world will be written off for scrap. This is exactly what a complete revision of the results of the Second World War means. And reformatting the world on the terms of the Anglo-Saxons.
        Take a look at the world wider than from the "Ukraine trench".

        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 12: 48
          0
          And how did the entry of troops into the SAR differ from its entry into Ukrainian? I'm not talking about military-technical, but about political issues. Military-technical in Ukrainian was even better than in Syria.

          But the US behavior with Venezuela does not bother you, they do not break the post-war structure of the world through the knee? Ah, can they ?! So, while you will think so, until then it will be impossible for you, and they will continue to wipe their feet about the Russian Federation. The world changed in 2014. Now he recognizes only the right of the strong.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 13: 24
            +5
            Is different.
            In the SAR, Russian troops are invited and on a temporary basis. You propose to send troops to Ukraine (albeit at the invitation of Yanukovych) but on an ongoing basis and the occupation of the country.
            Yes, the world has changed. But this does not mean that it is necessary to break it with your own hands.
            If we take into account only the "right of the strong," then now the West is stronger than the RF.
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 16: 09
              0
              what? what is the permanent foundation? I talked about help in restoring order in Ukrainian, one battalion of green men would be enough and all the APU itself would put things in order here, the cops just broke up, but there were no teams, and then they began to stupidly merge them, forgot about Marik on May 9, 2014? How many are you in Syria? you’re temporarily talking about ... ukra would have been forgotten a long time ago if it hadn’t been for a crack in the spring of the 14th. All Ukraine would be yours.
    3. businessv Offline businessv
      businessv (Vadim) 18 February 2019 12: 32
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      The first error of the author.

      No need to consider the author’s mistakes while sitting on the couch! The author lives in an independent and tells you a vision of the situation from the inside! I agree with the author 100% that if the GDP wanted to have a friendly state at hand, it would be cheaper and faster to do it in 2014 and it’s not that he owes something to someone abroad, he must ensure the security of his people, his country, his borders, and for this it was necessary to take exactly the steps that the author wrote about! The mattress dreamed of dividing up the independent and Russia of the entire post-war period! Rise above the sofa, colleague, much will become more visible! hi
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 12: 43
        +3
        It’s your mistake (who’s talking about something, but lousy about the bathhouse) that Ukraine was not and could not be friendly to Russia. Ukraine is an anti-Russian project in ancient Russian lands and from the former Russian people. And Kiev can become the "mother of Polish cities"
        And those who want to remain Russian, those STATE Ukraine kills or squeezes into "Rashka". Look out the window.
        1. businessv Offline businessv
          businessv (Vadim) 18 February 2019 17: 13
          -1
          Quote: Bakht
          that Ukraine was not and could not be friendly to Russia. Ukraine is an anti-Russian project in ancient Russian lands and from former Russian people.

          If you don't know, then Ukraine is a former republic of the USSR! How can it be an "anti-Russian project", colleague !!! Think a little when you write!
    4. Abram Jam Offline Abram Jam
      Abram Jam (Abram Jam) 18 February 2019 19: 23
      +1
      Quote: Bakht
      Putin has no plan to save and restore someone. I'm afraid that he has no plan to even save Russia. And even in Syria, Putin will not only save Assad, but confront ISIS. So, just to remind you: Putin is not the president of Ukraine or even the president of the USSR. Putin - President of the Russian Federation

      In this case, he is also a short-term suicide. For such an approach in the long term means a catastrophic development of events.

      Quote: Bakht
      The second error of the author. Why did he decide that the opinion of O. Tsarev means something to us?

      it is a masterpiece. Yes, the opinion of Tsarev or Netsarev does not matter, the essence of what he says is important, the facts, but for you this is not important either. The result is also logical. Although Tsarev is very intelligent ..., correct, he lost a lot because of his position, unlike couch critics.

      Quote: Bakht
      Your "Wishlist" is connected with the fact that Putin will come and Ukraine will continue to live at the expense of its neighbor. Nerds, waiting to be in "lace panties" cut through the red light district in Amsterdam. The "sane" expected that Russia would continue to feed Ukraine at its own expense. Over the ten years from 2004 to 2014, Russia has been pumping into Ukraine at the most conservative estimates of $ 25 billion. Continue further?

      Which lived at the expense of a neighbor? And who worked hard on the giants of the southeast, mines, defense plants? Which ratted gas, lifting dozens and hundreds of poisons, like the Dnieper Kalomoyshi? That's what you put in and put everything in cancer. What speaks of your mind and effectiveness.
      It’s not a delirium about the coward and Europe, but the fact is that the monster that will grow up while the housekeepers are talking in the style of idle clowns of the sample of February 1917 will quickly see a monster in Ukraine that will have to be extinguished with great blood.
  7. Alekvik Offline Alekvik
    Alekvik (Alexander) 18 February 2019 11: 01
    +1
    Yes, guys! The man has written for you in detail the chronology of that moment, but it's hard to accept this ... Unfortunately it's true . I thought that they decided to surrender Donbass somewhere in 16-17, but then I realized that the decision was made at the very beginning, already at 14. An indirect confirmation of this action by Kernes and others, instantly changing their positions (it looks like they called from the Moscow synagogue and warned: guys do not twitch, Moscow will not get involved). I didn’t understand, having all the trump cards in my hands (a legitimate president, chaos, loyalty of many military men, etc.) to manage to lose a lot, to manage to drive ourselves into the trap "of the Minsk agreements, thereby limiting ourselves to this framework !!!
    But people feel sorry for them, they believed, they believed the words of Putin. As for the partisans. When people went to the partisans, they had a hope underground: all the same, ours would come and victory would be ours. But what to believe them now?
    I say right away: I WILL NOT enter into polemics, I see no reason.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 11: 53
      -1
      Thanks for the feedback. Hello! But it’s much easier to blame someone than admit your own mistakes. I personally revised my opinion on the events of 2014.



      - this is Marik on May 9, 2014, the fault of the GDP is obvious, the chain of events closes. May 2 - Odessa, May 7 - a bra, May 9 - Mariupol. And everything was in his hands. And the reason was iron - Odessa! He lowered everything, now let him not complain !!
      What did the bra accountant say to him on May 7, 2014, a question?
      http://vk.com/wall-14612220_553027 - посмотрите там видео внутри, ВВП на прессухе с бюстгалтером, следите за мимикой, я такого ВВП никогда еще не видел!
  8. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 11: 22
    +3
    As opposed to this article. Opinion of another author. "Russia owes nothing to anyone"
    https://news-front.info/2019/02/16/yuliya-vityazeva-rossiya-nikomu-nichego-ne-dolzhna/
    1. businessv Offline businessv
      businessv (Vadim) 18 February 2019 12: 17
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      As opposed to this article. Opinion of another author. "Russia owes nothing to anyone"

      Yes, the author did not claim that Russia owed something to Ukraine, colleague! An article that Russia should have done at least something for itself, besides Crimea! After all, a friendly country is better than an enemy, right?
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 12: 44
        +3
        Of course better. Who can argue. It was this "friendly country", with Yanukovych in the presidential chair, that built the American base in Crimea. Or have I messed up something?
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 12: 52
          -2
          is it good? where was the base? and this man proves to me that he knows better from the outside! but now the base is under construction, under Ochakov. Near Kharkov in Russian Lozova everything is ready - they are waiting for Amer’s missiles only. 40 km to Belgorod. Fine?
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 13: 14
            +2
            I saw the construction costs of the Pentagon. Federal Business Opportunity US Navy Engineering Base Tender
            https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=2bb691b61c59be3a68180bd8c614a0cb&tab=core&_cview=1
            The tender was canceled "Due to a change in the situation"
            And this man tells me that he knows the situation from the inside
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 16: 11
              -4
              I knew that you were a mishandled Cossack from the Pentagon
            2. businessv Offline businessv
              businessv (Vadim) 18 February 2019 17: 11
              +1
              Quote: Bakht
              The tender was canceled "Due to a change in the situation"
              And this man tells me that he knows the situation from the inside

              The tender was canceled due to the fact that the Crimea became Russian, not a mattress, as planned!
          2. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 20 February 2019 00: 08
            0
            Bomb and do not think. Don `t doubt!
        2. businessv Offline businessv
          businessv (Vadim) 18 February 2019 17: 09
          -3
          Quote: Bakht
          built an American base in the Crimea. Or am I confusing something?

          You have not only confused, but also fundamentally do not understand the essence of what is happening, if you say so!
    2. DPN Offline DPN
      DPN (DPN) 18 February 2019 12: 39
      +2
      That's right, she just surrendered, but by chance she got the SIBERIAN pantry, than we live and eat.
  9. opaopaopapa gyga 18 February 2019 11: 48
    -2
    Vladimir, you shouldn't fight the thoughtless and emotional opinion of the would-be couch analysts. To ascribe to themselves the sacrifice from "The feeling of malevolence overwhelmed them." This is not correct in my opinion. Although what do I understand? I'm here, and you are there ... suffering

    But the article smacks of just that emotionality ...
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 12: 05
      +3
      I was born in the USSR, fought for it, I have the right to claim my Big Homeland, because THIS is all mine, and my Russia, and Ukraine, and Georgia, and Kazakhstan, even the Baltic States are not strangers to me, I do not scatter my territories and I I didn’t give my consent to the collapse of the USSR, I am a citizen of a Great country, it’s a shame for my power when everyone who doesn’t get it wipes their feet.
    2. Abram Jam Offline Abram Jam
      Abram Jam (Abram Jam) 18 February 2019 15: 58
      0
      And not emotionally fail. In this life, more precisely in the Benedera occupation, you need to swim in order to understand and feel the nuances.
  10. businessv Offline businessv
    businessv (Vadim) 18 February 2019 12: 15
    +3
    I already foresee how much slop will pour out on me now, how many people will hang on me the label of a regular provocateur sitting on the suction of the State Department, Mossad, SBU, CIA, MI-6 and others

    Vladimir, none of the people who think and worry about our relationship can blame you for anything because no matter how bitterly this was recognized, you are right in every way! In my own example, I see how my friends, who backed Yankuovich and GDP in their time, have now turned 180 degrees! And most importantly, no matter how you explain, their opinion will not be broken, the arguments do not fly up! Even when you say that a mattress is in the hands of an independent one, they reply that they say, well, it’s cool, the mattresses live well and we will! They do not understand that they will not live well with mattresses ever! But today, everyone who is not lazy is barking against Russia and reproaching it for the war in the Donbass, whatever you tell them! So you are right, I plus, tolerasts and liberalists please do not get excited, I will not answer! hi
  11. DPN Offline DPN
    DPN (DPN) 18 February 2019 12: 36
    0
    The GDP once said: There will be no return to socialism. The accession of Ukraine led to the possibility of a return to SOCIALISM, neither oligarchs, nor GDP, socialism is NEEDED.
    So there was no Putin mistake.
    1. beeper Offline beeper
      beeper 18 February 2019 15: 24
      0
      Quote: DPN
      GDP once said: There will be no return to socialism, and the accession of Ukraine led to the possibility of a return to socialism, neither oligarchs nor GDP need socialism.
      So there was no Putin mistake.

      hi In principle, I agree with you, dear DPN!
      I think that in 2014 the Russian authorities and their entourage had considerable concerns about the transfer of southeastern Ukraine to the Russian borders of the passionate Russian Spring, with its vivid SOCIALIST and ANTIOLIGARCHIC CALLS, to which Russian workers would have fully responded, in this I No doubt! wink
      In my opinion, in many respects and for this reason, "those who do not give offense to the Russian people" were tacitly allowed their Ukrainian "colleagues in business" to strangle and tear to pieces this popular upsurge of the Russian and Russian-speaking population of Eastern Ukraine ?!
      After all, if the residents of the resort Crimea called for "the socialization of sea beaches and wide access to the sea", then the inhabitants of industrial Eastern Ukraine, who rose on the wave of rejection of the cave Banderonazism "overwhelmed" in Kiev, in addition to purely anti-Bandera slogans, also called for a revision of the "results of privatization" - return to the public property of the unjustly "privatized" Soviet Property in the form of "mines, factories, newspapers, steamers ...", which, of course, could not please not only Ukrainian, but also Russian "privatizers", who have long considered "their" "collective farm" and having power levers to protect their interests ?!
      P.S. Dear author, Vladimir Volkonsky, in his reasoning he omits this "nuance", or does it seem insignificant to him ?! Interestingly, nevertheless, what does our comrade Volk think and answer in the comments (or in his next Article, Vladimir, please pay attention to this "aspect" of the defeat of the Russian Spring in the South-East) ?!
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 20: 50
        +2
        SW comrade Pishchak, they forbid me to write on this subject here, they say that Ukraine has already bothered everyone. By the way, I’m talking with Donbass, they didn’t nationalize anything there, but who interfered? the property simply changed its owner - there was Akhmet, became Kurchenko, the banker of the runaway Yanek. You, of course, are right with the conclusions - many people's commanders were removed precisely because of this, some in the case, such as Batman, they were removed, the Russian fascist, just fought for us, honed the skill of murder, or Naps - also fell from ours, started rattle, but Alexey Mozgovoy I will not forgive them, as well as Motor, Givi, Zakhar. Lesha removed his, kazly, cards, he confused them with his socialist idea, but who removed the last three, the question? Yes, and I already wrote about this - https://www.proza.ru/2018/09/16/1575. Read.
        1. beeper Offline beeper
          beeper 19 February 2019 16: 51
          0
          Quote: Wolf 1
          SW comrade Pishchak, they forbid me to write on this subject here, they say that Ukraine has already bothered everyone. By the way, I’m talking with Donbass, they didn’t nationalize anything there, but who interfered? the property simply changed its owner - there was Akhmet, became Kurchenko, the banker of the runaway Yanek. You, of course, are right with the conclusions - many people's commanders were removed precisely because of this, some in the case, such as Batman, they were removed, the Russian fascist, just fought for us, honed the skill of murder, or Naps - also fell from ours, started rattle, but Alexey Mozgovoy I will not forgive them, as well as Motor, Givi, Zakhar. Lesha removed his, kazly, cards, he confused them with his socialist idea, but who removed the last three, the question? Yes, and I already wrote about this - https://www.proza.ru/2018/09/16/1575. Read.

          hi Thank you, Comrade Wolf, for the reference! Read-credit article good for that time! Aleksey Mozgovoy was also attractive to me for this craving for Social Justice!
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 18 February 2019 21: 10
        +3
        peep, Russian Spring? And where would you divide Bander? Would they be driven underground? So they are masters of hiding - out of all the Soviet power they hid and disguised themselves so that even into the party, the state security organs crawled through.
        And about different "privatizations" - so we live in capitalism! And GDP is the main liberal!
        1. beeper Offline beeper
          beeper 19 February 2019 16: 18
          +3
          Quote: A.Lex
          peep, Russian Spring? And where would you divide Bander? Would they be driven underground? So they are masters of hiding - out of all the Soviet power they hid and disguised themselves so that even into the party, the state security organs crawled through.
          And about different "privatizations" - so we live in capitalism! And GDP is the main liberal!

          hi Bandeva, realizing that the Maidan races are over and with the banderization of Eastern Ukraine will no longer work out, would have dispersed to the traditional places of his "hard labor" - part of them in Russia (they are "masterfully hiding" in Russia too - they smile at you with a "muzzle in your pocket" Well, what do you want with that ?! they pay taxes to the Russian treasury and, in fact, give their labor for the good of the Russian state! The Westerners, with their genetic, inculcated centuries of European slavery, flawed "mentality complex" respect the strength and a strong state -if Russia shows strength, then they will respect it, show weakness and patient goodness, echoing with victimization-they, like Kipling's bandarlogs, will, gathering in a herd, jump on you and "throw shit" in all manifestations, which is now, sobsno, and happens from the side of the Banderva, who occupied and nightmares, "Bandera", all of Ukraine!), partly to "earn money" in the neighboring Baltic limitrophes, and the most dissatisfied would go to their West a woman - in order to move her towards a "squeak-free" suction with Europe, as dreamed of (but, most likely, this part of Ukraine, the Fashington curators would allow their Polish Euro-marionette to be annexed - the Westerners would be and will always be delighted with such a promotion in Euro-holders - for many of them there is already a "map of the Pole", and they will quickly hide all these cave "Banderist ideas" for the sake of a comfortable life, and the Poles know well how to deal with these slaves, they will quickly knock the Nazi nonsense out of them, chuckle like Russians and Ukrainians , they will not be! request )!
          The militant "Banderaism" and other small-town "nationalism" were needed by the destroyers of the Soviet Union, komrenegates-deribanists, and other clever crooks-parasitaries, who suddenly became the owners of "factories, newspapers, steamers" stolen from the Soviet people, to protect their "honest labor earned" - privatized "and pacification of robbed workers!
          (In the cultivation of Banderonazism, all the ukroprezes succeeded, but the most sensible and effective of all of them turned out to be, nevertheless, supposedly "pro-Russian", but in fact latently pro-American and "uncontested" pro-European, Pan Janek is a neobander dear godfather, who truly raised the Galician Bandan at a hitherto unattainable (even with a "full head Svidomo" an outspoken pro-American and a "dumb" Pro-American Dioxin!) for her height! His "young" colleagues in the ex-Ukrainian SSR, miserable "gray mice", brazenly wiped off the hardened Iudomazepine Leopold from " fed the authorities ", just use the bloody fruits of the" deeds and inactivity "of this monstrous" goodness "! IMHO)
          Such misanthropic "ideas" as w / Bandera Nazism - "integral nationalism" and its euphemically veiled clones, take root especially well in the marginal strata of society and it is not for nothing that the post-Soviet nouveau riches for decades of destructive "reforms" have been building up this "humus of Nazism", driving our working people into poverty, want, famine and hopelessness, by all means depriving us and our children of a prosperous future, sources of existence and development, quality education, food, health care, ... everyone himself can continue this list and will not be mistaken! request
          As for capitalism and who is a "galley slave," and who is, "went out for a walk," this is "the reality given to us in sensations," everything is "before our eyes" .... to the extent of our understanding! wink
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex (Secret information) 19 February 2019 20: 16
            +1
            I agree. I will add only one thing - two more generations and in the USSR Bandera has disappeared ... We did not hold out ...
  12. Hi everybody Offline Hi everybody
    Hi everybody (Hi everybody) 18 February 2019 12: 52
    +3
    After 14 years, every day I see and hear the opinion of Ukrainians about Russia and Russians. The opinion is, kill all, burn and betray the most terrible executions, especially children. Opinion on the history of Ukraine and Russia. Bandera is their hero. The Germans are liberators. Red Army occupiers. Odessans say that they burned people correctly, thereby saving thousands of people, etc. etc. After all, it didn’t begin in 2014, it always sat in them, even under the Union. And thank God that we do not live in the same country with them, and do not pay pensions, and do not rebuild the country for those who think so. And do not say that not all are.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 13: 26
      -2
      Uncle, how old are you? the impression that 19, the television has seen enough?
  13. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 18 February 2019 13: 06
    +4
    You, dear Vladimir Volkonsky, have correctly painted post-Maidan "layouts" from our side, even in my opinion, Pravoberezhny, a lot (but not everything and a little differently, as I saw and see!)
    Although I seem to understand well the reasons, then and now, of the Russian leadership (and this is by no means only Russian President Vladimir Putin!), Taking into account the personalities and "deeds" of "uncontested European integrators" Yanek-Azarov and their henchmen, including the "unclear" Tsarev, whom I never trusted and do not trust a bit, as, indeed, all this Judeo-Mazepa camarilla of the fugitive "patron", before the next elections to ukroprezy or ZRada, hypocritically disguised as "defenders of the interests of the Russian majority of the Ukrainian population "(it is interesting what now, having become a Russian in Crimea, our former Yanukovite" regional "and former functionary of the Ukrainian" society of Russian compatriots ", the holder of the" profile "Russian medal, or order, is an ardent admirer and" historiographer "-propagandist" of the outstanding merits "of Hitler's accomplice Bulba-Borovets-Pan Kolesnichenko?)!
    With your, Vladimir, the decadent conclusion of "forever loss for Russia" I do not agree, there is always a chance, it is always there, especially since the Banderomaidauns themselves, from top to bottom, are actively "working" on the final "wake-up" and already sufficient Ruyina-having such " svidomo friends "," failed state Ukraine "and enemies are not necessary, they themselves will do everything, destroy and disintegrate (neighboring American NATOshawks will also grab their piece of" nezalezhnoy ", after all, already they are already at a high start at our" cordons ", by the way, zapadentsy "from Lviv and Frankivschina" sleep and see, and groan from "neterlyachki", when they are "to sebe at Evropu zabere Poland" - they are so tired of them slavishly "slave labor" on the very bird rights of "dovgochikuvan" tourist "squealing" !)! smile
    Let Vladimir Putin and all the Russians calmly build a powerful Russian State, so that it is strong and state-like, kind and fair to its citizens!
    And then, after all, as you look now at the Russian State in its relation to ordinary working citizens, it does not look very attractive, too, there is a lot of bureaucratic lawlessness and all sorts of tax-pension-housing-juvenile -..., "absurdities ", except that there are more territories and resources, but the gangs of Nazi extremists in cities and towns do not run and in their power, it seems, is not yet visible, and the instructions of the Fashington" terrorist center "the Russian authorities are in no hurry to carry out, even sometimes" their line " and there is no "hot" civil war on Russian territory today, only a latent "cold" one ?!
    Would I like to break away from my native suburban Russian land and be a disenfranchised refugee in today's capitalist Russia ?! No, I would not want to, it would be better to die in an unequal battle with the Americanoids and the Bandera serving them, than to skimp and have no rights to "ponewire" in, also dilapidated and robbed by nouveau riche, "snatchers", a post-Soviet capital country, even more "organized" and not very much kind and fair even to its own citizens, not to mention the Russian refugees from the outskirts (IMHO).
    In order to unite us all, the peoples of the former USSR, the Russian State needs an Inspirational Idea, but this current, post-Soviet one, "Even more, due to the impoverishment of the working majority, the enrichment of a handful of nouveau riches who cleverly" grabbed "the nationwide Soviet Property" did not inspire me personally and does not inspire, even under the Banderonazi yoke of the American occupation, even without it!
    It is in this absence of the desire to develop the Ways of implementing the Idea of ​​Justice, which would allow achieving a synergetic effect in the Construction of the Russian State, I see the LONG-TERM "fatal mistake" of V.V. Putin, because even his surname is Symbolic, which speaks to him and tells him itself! It turns out that he still grew up to the "Munich speech (2007)", but to the Path of real State building, no, there is no strategic vision, does he not hear his ancestral Prophetic Surname ??!
    There will be a strong and prosperous Fair Russian State, and even together with the allied Belarus, and with a philanthropic domestic policy, it will become the assemblage point "according to Bismarck, scattered Russians, like droplets of mercury ....! yes "and many residents of the neighboring territories of the former Soviet republics will want to integrate with such a Union, because the idea of ​​the Social Justice Society always hovers in the best human heads, just like the Hope for its earthly Realization!
    hi
    P.S. Reasonable comments from respected Bakht and Alekvik I liked it! good
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 13: 27
      +4
      I like your look too. I have always said that in order for Russia to become attractive to the former USSR, it must become non-capitalist. And while this is not - then joining the Russian Federation is not a "pound of raisins". Well, local oligarchs are robbing me in their native language. And the Russians will rob in Russian. Although I own it, I don't want to be robbed at all.
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 18 February 2019 14: 39
        +1
        Quote: Bakht
        I like your look too. I have always said that in order for Russia to become attractive to the former USSR, it must become non-capitalist. And while this is not - then joining the Russian Federation is not a "pound of raisins". Well, local oligarchs are robbing me in their native language. And the Russians will rob in Russian. Although I own it, I don't want to be robbed at all.

        hi I fully agree with you, comrade Bakht! good
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 13: 35
      0
      for droplets of mercury to want to return, you need to behave not like an evil stepmother, and stop looking around the advanced west already!
      Z.Y. how much do you have now for heating per month? I have 3500, plus the remaining utilities payments, more than 4500, and this is just the beginning! hello so hello! and you still didn’t go to the hospital! and don’t know what and how your children are taught! You will not be allowed to see their end; you will die ahead of them.
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 18 February 2019 14: 33
        0
        hi Well, I’m talking about the evil capitalist stepmother, comrade Wolf! smile
        PS: I already owe "Teplomerezhi", but they still help out the remnants of the savings "for gas and electricity" from last year's subsidy (which is now deprived due to cheating with taxes of the plant owner), in general, if you pay in good faith on the invoice, then almost all My January salary, by the way, is also paid to us with a rather long delay, and it will take you to pay off the housing and communal services and further (until the next predatory "calculation") "live and do not deny yourself anything - ukrayinaponadeuse, shob won out!" smile
        I haven’t signed up to the hospital, to the “family doctor” yet, I thought it up late (I hoped that the destructive “innovations” of the insane American Scarecrow would disavow the shamenuvshis Maydauns themselves, but among them there were only completely headless, yes ghouls! wink ) and all the "free doctors" have already been "painted", and now there will be a hassle with a "postscript" to the "vacant" one from another "district". request
        What can the Banderonazi "nepotrib" teach and how "teaches" children - I know very well! wink
        And so, in general, I am dying, Comrade Volk, I don't need a hospital either (I am self-medicating), so I will "make an appointment" to a "family doctor" in case it is absolutely unbearable, although I very much doubt that Bandera "The Ministry of Death and Organ Disassembly" will help me with at least something during my lifetime (for loving parents, the most terrible thing is to outlive their children, God forbid!) - in Ukraine we are all suicide bombers and a source of the corpse-eating "gesheft" of American puppets (in including the gang of "Doctor Death")!
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 16: 19
          +1
          no comrade Pischak, I forbid you to die, I still need you alive! we will survive all these monsters, I have no salary and no subsidies, they took it off like an unemployed person, go, they say, a bum, work! and where is the construction going, show me, for 5 years now I have only seen dismantling! where 55-year-old workers are needed, only to the cemetery, they don't take anywhere, I have no hopes for the Russian Federation, from the word "absolutely", but I don't want to die for the joy of my enemies. And I forbid you!
          1. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 18 February 2019 16: 45
            +2
            Quote: Wolf 1
            no comrade Pischak, I forbid you to die, I still need you alive! we will survive all these monsters, I have no salary and no subsidies, they took it off like an unemployed person, go, they say, a bum, work! and where is the construction going, show me, for 5 years now I have only seen dismantling! where 55-year-old workers are needed, only at the cemetery, they don't take anywhere, I have no hopes for the Russian Federation, from the word "absolutely", but I don't want to die for the joy of enemies and I forbid you

            hi Thank you, Comrade Wolf! Very Touched by Your Friendly Parting words! good
            Ultimately, all our diseases are "from the nerves." And so, it seems like I'm in remission now, there is hope, I will never give up, I will fight again! wink
            Health to you and well-being!
    3. Abram Jam Offline Abram Jam
      Abram Jam (Abram Jam) 18 February 2019 19: 44
      +4
      Quote: pishchak
      It is in this absence of the desire to develop the Ways of implementing the Idea of ​​Justice, which would allow achieving a synergetic effect in the Construction of the Russian State, I see the LONG-TERM "fatal mistake" of V.V. Putin, because even his surname is Symbolic, which speaks to him and tells him itself! It turns out that he still grew up to the "Munich speech (2007)", but to the Path of real State building, no, there is no strategic vision, does he not hear his ancestral Prophetic Surname ??!

      This is the main problem. What prevented in 20 years from creating, formulating an IDEA? Are there any brains left in the Russian Federation? This implies the refusal to revise megagrabitelny privatization according to the drawings, the refusal to restore the USSR, or rather even something similar, and the analogue of the Russian doctrine of Monroe. And then this is crazy:

      He who does not regret the collapse of the USSR - he has no heart, and he who wants restoration - he has no mind

      Poland hasn’t been on the map for 140 years - but you’ve lost it, it’s recovered, and it’s crap habitually. So who has no mind? And also constant passivity and wobble on many basic issues. And then the results. If we compare the result for the twentieth anniversary, from 1941 to 1961, then it is not at all, despite his merits with Chechnya, the terror in the Caucasus, the landing of Khodor. If there is no fundamental revision of the course, the consequences are dire.
    4. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 February 2019 21: 26
      +2
      pishak, I fully subscribe to your great comment! So many times I wrote about it myself ... Only from people like us - they don't listen to us too much ... Here we have where you don't spit - problem on problem. Take the same aircraft industry (yesterday I wrote about this right there) ... But whatever you take! The same stuffing about the continuation of "privatization" - is it not a provocation at the state level? And what about unprofitable enterprises? Have you tried to put the necessary frames? Ah, no frames? ... This is how we live ... The whole history of Russia is a problem with cadres - either they got fed up to the state of slave owners, then uneducated party bureaucrats, then tired of fighting ("The war is over, but Stalin does not understand this!"), Then those who wanted to fight, then tired of the "ungrateful people" ... And where are not the "tired" and faithful? The voice of one crying in the desert ... And VVP is not a panacea, and its term is short, and a liberal (a student of Sobchak himself - he himself boasted in Solovyov's film ... in my opinion). And it turns out, in the end, it may be that AGAIN it will have to renew 37-38 years ... again a bunch of innocent people will suffer (as it often happens in Russia), but otherwise it may not "take out the curve" ...
  14. ROBIN-SON Offline ROBIN-SON
    ROBIN-SON (VLADIMIR SHAPOVALOV) 18 February 2019 14: 47
    +2
    To hell with this, that we could, that we could not ... We need to look at today what we have and what we can do.
    1. We have a parody of the Reich. They can’t run to the Germans. But they can bite and infect too. To prevent this, a sanitary cordon is needed. Like we do.
    2. Poroshenko will win the elections. He is a very cunning, resourceful and intelligent person. Deployed Ukraine from Russia. Plays its part. It suits the West and I think it will not be changed. What to do. We have lost Ukraine for the foreseeable future. It can be returned only by military means. But this was possible only in 14, now it is not ... Continue the mantra of Minsk? Continue the Skobeeva & Popov show? And what is the efficiency?
    Ukrainians play along to us, not allowing observers to the polls. We must use and not recognize the results. Whoever won. You can recognize later. Do not humble yourself in front of them and beg for concessions from them. This is a sign of weakness. We can defeat them only economically, let the West take over their economic problems. They’ll tear ...
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 February 2019 21: 32
      +1
      Vladimir - trading should be prohibited. And then Russia - in the first place in trade partners and in investments (!) In the non-resale ... A strange war, very strange ...
      1. ROBIN-SON Offline ROBIN-SON
        ROBIN-SON (VLADIMIR SHAPOVALOV) 18 February 2019 21: 45
        +2
        The politics is strange. Like everything will resolve. And eat the fish and don’t rip off the backside. But the main thing is money, real estate and a quiet pier for old age in the West ....
      2. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 22: 29
        +3
        Money is needed, therefore it is necessary to trade (will be) even with a damn bald one!
  15. Abram Jam Offline Abram Jam
    Abram Jam (Abram Jam) 18 February 2019 15: 47
    -1
    Quote: Bakht
    I made a completely different conclusion from this video. The authorities in Ukraine did not want to hear Russian. And there is no need to write about the "brotherly" people. There are Russians who, by the will of fate, live in Ukraine. And there are Ukrainians - the enemies of the Russians. Understand at last - Ukraine is an anti-Russian project, under the banner of Austria-Hungary and with the Polish anthem. "We will never be brothers." And you are all trying to become a brother.

    BGG "Power in Ukraine" - deep knowledge. And Nicho in general, that since the collapse, Benderasnya was purposefully resettled to Kiev, that the rabid scum in the Rada is a marvelous fruit of the first Maidan, and the inaction of the Russian Federation on ukronapravlenie and direct flow. The refusal of the Russian Federation from Ukraine is tantamount to sharpening a device for itself, an act of suicidal, because it will turn into a multi-layered disaster. And yet, yes, the Russians in the east of Ukraine are much more Russians than the Russian khatoskrainiks from the Russian Federation, who muttered purely enemy, self-liquidating raving about "we are not brothers ourselves."
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 February 2019 21: 37
      +1
      Abram, what was going on in Russia at that time? We had it ourselves that we almost fell apart - we still can’t rake it. All the bandits from the authorities are caught. And you left here, didn’t give up ... It’s as if you weren’t cracking yourself - a thief is driving a thief and a corrupt person. And there is no end and edge to these purges ... And again everything rests on the frames ...
  16. Abram Jam Offline Abram Jam
    Abram Jam (Abram Jam) 18 February 2019 16: 12
    0
    Quote: Bakht
    This is a rejection of the UN Institute, Helsinki and the Yalta Peace, which was paid for with the blood and lives of millions of Soviet people. This is exactly what the "Western democracies" are waiting for. And even if it is not always possible to maintain this "Yalta peace" now, it still exists. When Russian troops enter the territory of Ukraine, this world will be written off for scrap. This is exactly what a complete revision of the results of the Second World War means. And reformatting the world on the terms of the Anglo-Saxons.
    Take a look at the world wider than from the "Ukraine trench".

    From Yalta, Helsinki, etc., brazenly and cynically refused during the examination of the unforgettable Gorbi. Continue to do this further. Troops do not need to enter, as it is not clear? It is necessary to grow, more precisely find, train, equip, suggest how and what to include in the full correct propaganda. Work, especially distinguished, in the style of Nikolai Kuznetsov. To train personnel in Moscow, as the mattress does. The potential for hatred is such that people themselves will tear down and bury the abomination.
    1. beeper Offline beeper
      beeper 18 February 2019 17: 14
      0
      All right, Gutar, comrade Abram Jam! I fully support your comments and recommendations!
      Apparently I have exhausted my limit of emoticons on this page, therefore, not in a graphic and graphic way, but in writing, I express to you my sincere Respect!
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 February 2019 21: 38
      +1
      Something wrong with your text - what happened?
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 19 February 2019 17: 11
        +1
        Quote: A.Lex
        Something wrong with your text - what happened?

        hi Yes, for some reason, emoticons were not taken, they were not printed, they ran away from the tablet smile , comrade A.Lex, but I like them-atmospheric, transmit the appropriate mood-tell the text!
        But now everything is fine, as usual! Thank you for your concern!
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 19 February 2019 20: 21
          +1
          wink good yes drinks etc....
  17. Sergey Sosunov Offline Sergey Sosunov
    Sergey Sosunov (Sergey Sosunov) 18 February 2019 17: 24
    +4
    The whole problem is that our government is engaged in business, and everything is subordinate to it, even the same Syria arose because of the interests of business in it. As soon as the country begins to address the development of the country, rather than making a profit, everything will change dramatically, all the more so for that. But in reality the situation is not in the country. not in Ukraine, it will not change for the better, because the top is all connected with capital hand and foot, and everything suits them.
  18. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 19: 21
    0
    Once upon a time there were Russian and Ukrainian. I once gave the Russian Ukrainian Crimea. And when it came to divorce, it turned out that the Black Sea Fleet was in that very Crimea. The cunning Ukrainian did not say then that let
    It’s worth - after all, Crimea got me nothing. And set a considerable price. And after 20 years I wanted to cut down the dough - from the Americans - for the base in the Crimea. Then the Russian ceased to be a fool and returned the Crimea, but LEGAL.
    Returning all of Ukraine is a violation of international standards, and Putin has NEVER violated them. This is his rule. And looking at you - as you walk with torches. You burn Odessa, but ruin the monuments - we see that you have no mind. Why do you need us such Bandera? What for? You have only confirmed what writers - war veterans wrote about before: as a Belarusian - so a partisan, as a Ukrainian - a policeman. It will be necessary for us - we will figure it out.
  19. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 19: 59
    0
    The author manages not only to reproach Russia, but also to pour mud on it. They don’t want to die themselves
    and he doesn’t feel sorry for the Russian soldiers. They taught them to be freebies - do NOTHING themselves
    Do not wish. This is YOUR CHILDREN raving about anti-Russian frenzy. And it’s not they who are to blame, but we. How convenient! Learned from the golden billion!
    Their "political scientists" have never said a word about the problems of Ukraine and ways to solve them.
    It’s right that we show them every day. This is for us a free vaccination and free ideological work. Do not tell us what to do and we will not say ...
    No one will solve your problems for you.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 21: 11
      +1
      Where is the dirt? The pig itself will find dirt! You have already exceeded the plan of the Americans, in your bold erotic dream, not even dreaming of such results in the separation of the Russian and Ukrainian, but in fact, one people. And rejoice in this fact, can only scoundrels or idiots. Choose for yourself who you are! I don’t even know which is better.
      1. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 22: 41
        -1
        The wolf! Your transition to YOU ​​and insults betray your weakness and insignificance. With such brothers and enemies is not necessary. And what Victoria writes about the loss of territory, then returning it is a matter of 2-3 days. Yes, and we do not need it. There is nowhere to put it.
  20. Bobo Offline Bobo
    Bobo (BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine) 18 February 2019 20: 08
    0
    LDNR - these are areas with a predominance of the Russian population, they resisted. And the rest - halfway in the middle, and yes and no - full hello. So Putin did everything right - with the prudence of a cold-bloodedly attacking crocodile.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 21: 12
      +1
      Your darkest did not count anyone, alas! In the situation of ukra, he works second number, only minimizing the negative consequences for himself (read for the Russian Federation). The territory is completely lost to them. For years to come! And only scoundrels or idiots can rejoice at this fact. Choose for yourself who you are!
    2. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 21: 14
      -1
      About a crocodile - it's beautiful and to the point!
  21. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 February 2019 21: 46
    +3
    The most interesting thing is that in 2014, the "fatal mistake" was made not by Putin, but by the Maidan.
    After the agreement on February 21, the most reasonable thing for the protesters was to go home. Six months later, the re-election of the president, Yanukovych was guaranteed to lose the election (the West would not forgive him the rejection of European integration, the East would not forgive him the betrayal of the Russian language). A pro-Western politician comes to power (for example, the same Poroshenko), the Law on Language remains in force, and this means that the South-East and Crimea will not rise. The lack of repression by Bandera will also calm the country. The result is that by the end of the year, the president is pro-Western, Crimea is part of Ukraine, and you can start stripping in 2015.
    But the maidan of the brain is incurable. These monkeys failed even such a wonderful plan of curators in Ukraine.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 19 February 2019 07: 34
      +3
      Baktiar, just do not say that you did not know that at that moment the amers needed BLOOD. And the more it is shed, the better for them. Therefore, violations of agreements beat, and lies from beginning to end. The whole problem is that the project "Ukraine" was initially anti-Russian. After all, who are the "Ukrainians" - the same Russians, only a side view. How do they differ from the same Mordovians, Chuvash, Komi ... (to fig in general)? But what:
      1. The outskirts of the location.
      2. Proximity to the western borders (and as a result, the ability to influence them from there).
      3. The large population.
      4. The historical diversity of the population (the ability to pit different nations).
      5. Territories with populations RECENTLY attached to the main part (west).
      .
      You can list a lot. but that's enough for now. In principle, it would be possible to take any nationality of Russia and through it pursue the policy that the Naglo-Saxons are pursuing throughout the planet - "Divide and rule!" Russia is death for them. Death because historically we never PARASITATE the peoples who have joined us, but we pull them up to our level. It was the same with everyone and the Ukrainians too. It got, at one point, to the point that a BIG part of the country's leadership was Ukrainian (well, or occupied most of the leading posts in the country).
      In principle, as with the Ukrainians they could do with any people - the Ukrainians were just "lucky" ... The choice fell on them. For the most part, the common people do not think about the fact that they are being "pushed" by "good uncles" from behind a puddle. In addition, the main filth of the planet has long ceased to personally play off peoples. For these purposes, they buy (or grow) the elite - and so they live. And Russia can not always adequately (consider it a blow in the face) to respond to interference on its territory. Constant wars, the lack of consolidation (the same multinationality sometimes plays a cruel joke with us) of the population, the large extent of the territory - all this does not contribute to the strengthening of statehood and cohesion. The enemies of the Russians take advantage of this and constantly provoke the disintegration of Greater Russia. At times they succeed - as now. And the Ukrainians (I repeat once again) were simply not lucky to live with this time.
      So the Wolf is so outraged in vain. We don’t know much - the wrong level of knowledge and information ownership. I understand that it’s hard there, but it happened again. Therefore, blaming the leadership of the Russian Federation is a thankless task.
  22. Dionisiya Offline Dionisiya
    Dionisiya (Victoria) 18 February 2019 22: 19
    +3
    Dear author!
    You are a great fellow! You have excellent analytical abilities. Moreover, you express your thoughts in a simple and understandable human language without unnecessary antics and ugly epithets. I respect you very much. You understand what a flurry of attacks will come upon you, do not be afraid to express your thoughts. under every word. To all your critics I want to say one thing: you don’t need Ukraine, I don’t argue, there’s nothing to love brothers, but firstly not all brothers, but I guess that many people don’t care, even so . But I want to say respect To Putin’s defenders, that an infection that was not stopped in the year 14 is spreading like a plague. Neo-Nazism is growing stronger every day and Russia, to my great regret, will suffer from this inevitably, sooner or later. Without crushing this reptile while it was weak your beloved president has allowed her to grow, grow stronger and multiply near Russia. Do you shout that the Ukrainians should fight? I don’t even want to discuss it - I’ll leave it for the fools, who apart from courageous patriotism and complete misunderstanding of what is happening here There is nothing. Do not understand that this infection or otherwise harm Russia can only complete. For fierce Putin defenders, links for added pride - the first of March 5, 2014 - you don’t need to look at for a long time, in the first seconds so far anyone is interested in comparing tone and confidence in their strength and rightness



    And here is the link to the press conference following the meeting with Burkhalter - on May 7



    The difference is striking - where is the past bravado? We won’t stand behind us already? Putin personally did not express condolences to Odessa residents.

    And I have a request to the author, Vladimir - write, continue to write, be sure! You do it very well, do not pay attention to spiteful critics. Of course, among your opponents there are reasonable commentators who express their opinion reasonably, it is possible to conduct reasonable disputes with them. But they minority. The rest do not deserve attention. Fools have been and will always be. Once again, thank you for a wonderful article and wish you inspiration.
    1. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 22: 48
      -1
      Victoria! You, inspired by the author, send your father, husband, brother, son to fight for the Ukrainians !!!
      1. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 18 February 2019 23: 18
        -1
        Oh! I probably made a mistake. Victoria probably, too, like the author, from Ukraine! According to their ability to insult
        it’s hard to assume otherwise.
        They do not want to fight for Ukraine. We are called and waiting.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 19 February 2019 04: 45
          +1
          Dear, you have obvious problems with the perception of printed text. Please show me the place in the text where the author suggests that the Russian Federation send its troops to the territory of Ukraine, after which 200 cargo will inevitably go to the territory of the Russian Federation? The author emphasizes that this had to be done before, 5 years ago, then the operation would have passed quickly and bloodlessly, as in the Crimea, no one would have resisted, since the junta at that time had absolutely no opportunities for this, neither the army nor the police and the SBU did not obey her, the power vertical was simply destroyed and disorganized at that moment. Now it’s too late to do this, the train has left, as the author says many times. What are you babbling about? What coffins? The author merely cites evidence of his words from a person who knew the situation in Ukraine better than you. If you have vision problems, consult an optometrist, if with brains, then this is also not here. Nobody in Ukraine is waiting for you personally, you have lost this territory forever. And the more you say that Ukrainians and Russian non-brothers, the only you play in favor of the United States and so on. enemies of the Russian Federation, losing the last sympathizers in Ukraine. You are no better than our maydauns, only with the opposite sign. No need to answer!
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex (Secret information) 19 February 2019 07: 51
            +2
            Vladimir, Zakharov simply did not indulge in further arguments. It's just that the level of training of troops THEN and NOW is very different. Then the operation with the Crimea was the height of the risk - it is not known whether it would have been possible to carry out this bloodlessly. And how the West will react - whether the war will start. Now - and the army is different, but your situation there is completely different! Then the leadership of the Russian Federation was no less at a loss than the rest of the "players". So it is not known what was better at that time. But within Russia itself there is CONSTANTLY no unity - liberdas and servants of the West constantly provoke people's discontent with the government. Outright lies are poured from everywhere - the majority of the media publishes all sorts of gossip and false information.
            And the leadership of the Russian Federation still has not played enough of the liberal democracy. How long all this will last - only God knows. We ourselves almost did not have a Maidan, and the possibility of a coup still cannot be ruled out. The "fifth column" we frolic as it wants, but they are not brought to justice.
          2. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 19 February 2019 23: 19
            -2
            But you have no problems with rudeness and arrogance. You say that Americans dream of dividing fraternal peoples? We did not separate. You separated why, what are the reasons. Tell us.
            And we are to blame. Well, you are the same scoundrel as the leadership of Ukrov.
  23. Boris55 Offline Boris55
    Boris55 (Boris) 19 February 2019 07: 54
    +1
    If you are satisfied with this mess on your borders, which can easily spread to you, be patient.

    No, really. Themselves, themselves. We’ve made this mess ourselves, we’ll put things in order, and we need our guys ourselves.
  24. gore Offline gore
    gore (Alexander) 19 February 2019 08: 03
    0
    Absolutely right, honestly ...
  25. bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 19 February 2019 08: 31
    +4
    As a man in the street, I can understand all the bitterness and resentment of the author, in which I agree, but not in everything. I think that Russia does not exist on Mars or some other isolated environment, but in the vicious and hostile world around it, and this world, as never before, is consolidated, it (this world) has a good idea of ​​what will happen to it if the more wealthy from this hostile world "hide" in their apartments. That's why the Western world, like a pack of jackals, is forced to gather in flocks and attack a lonely lion, realizing that one cannot cope with a lion alone. During the 2014 Maidan, the Western world did not yet know about the Petrels, Poseidons, did not see the Daggers in reality, killing for their aircraft carrier groups, and other Russian military gadgets, the Chinese and Russian military exercises were not coordinated and could mistakenly decide to attack Russia (they the same, the most). On the other hand, we see all the chaos in the minds of the Russian-speaking population of Krajina, and I myself saw how hefty men in droves went to the Russian side hung with wallets, fleeing from the Bandera, instead of defending their home. We all remember 2008, when the West went into anti-Russian hysteria. I do not justify further actions of Russia, not only have we recognized the criminal junta, but we still support it economically. These are complex issues - interstate relations, issues of war and peace, but one thing is clear to me that at the level of everyday life and even at the level of political journalism, such issues CANNOT be solved - there is too little information and too high stakes.
  26. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 February 2019 09: 21
    +4
    Argued?
    I’m no longer controversial. Just a resume.
    According to the author, "Putin's fatal mistake" is that he did not send troops to Ukraine in 2014. And the thesis about "one battalion" is from the category of the next madness. We all remember how "one airborne regiment" took Grozny.
    The second thesis is that the entire population of Ukraine (well, good 65%) was waiting for Russian tanks. This is the second crazy thesis. Such a ratio was possible in Donbass, but not in all of Ukraine. If one Nazi battalion was able to crush Kharkov where 10 people were carrying a flag the size of a "football field", then there is nothing to talk about.
    With great difficulty, they were able to stop the APU by the end of the summer of 2014 (according to the author, they were on the side of Yanukovych), who almost took control of the border with the Russian Federation.
    So both of the author's theses are in no way consistent with reality. I have already seen how much the author owns the material "from the inside".
    For information, more than half of the Party of Regions escaped before February 21, 2014. So support for Yanukovych was out of the question. He had no power either in the Government (the dismissal of Azarov) or in the Parliament (the Party of Regions evaporated). And the security forces did not really support him.
    All 25 years of independence, Ukraine confidently and steadily went to the West. And no friendly Ukraine was and could not be by definition.
    And "control in the head." If in Ukraine one can freely call for the introduction of troops of a foreign country, a change in the constitutional order, and the SBU only threatens with a finger, then everything is not so bad there. If the author is sure that "Russians are oppressed and killed" only on Russian television, then in Ukraine everything is good.
    The whole cry boils down to the fact that Russia should take Ukraine for maintenance. Pay and repent again. Once again for sane people. You cannot do what the enemy wants. And the enemy wants to drag Russia into a full-scale war. Russia can and MUST help humanitarian convoys in the Donbass, not to hinder volunteers, to protect its citizens and citizens of Ukraine, who are facing death in Ukraine. Do not recognize the election results and refuse all transit and other contracts with Ukraine.
  27. Nikolay SPb Offline Nikolay SPb
    Nikolay SPb (Nikolai SPb) 19 February 2019 10: 21
    0
    A sect driven by the "Ukrainian nation" is a contagious and powerful disease!
    Her treatment is long and painstaking. Torozygi think that if you shoot, then everything will be fine, but this is a hoax!
    It is necessary to make people sick at the word "Ukrainian", as Europeans did and today, with the analogous word "marginal", they call the sick and outcast by society!
  28. Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
    Dzafdet (Sergei) 19 February 2019 14: 30
    0
    Author! Putin could not help you with anything. He would immediately have his wings cut off and strangled, because all his money was in the West. I am still surprised that he climbed into the Crimea ..
  29. Anatoly Kurochkin (Anatoly Kurochkin) 19 February 2019 22: 45
    +1
    A tough article, but not nearly as true. I remember the Maidan from the calls and letters from my former comrades in the service from Ukraine: "You are not an officer if you do not support the Maidan" - this is the most harmless thing. Suddenly a bunch of frostbitten Bandera fans appeared. Our former Soviet communists yelled "We will bury you." They yelled at me. And I'm in Russia. The relatives of his wife from Kherson all began to "pray" to Yatsenyuk. Of the huge crowd of my comrades in the Ukraine, a true half made themselves our enemies. We did it ourselves! Themselves announced!
    And now you are shouting now: Putin’s fatal mistake.
    Yes, in Ukraine I still have friends whom I believe and you won’t spend them on chaff. They are flint. But they don’t shout like that: a fatal mistake.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 22 February 2019 12: 29
      0
      Have you spoken out? Now read it - https://topcor.ru/5272-ukrainskij-fashizm-kak-za-55-dnej-iz-ljubogo-naroda-sdelat-stado-ovec.html. Maybe the brains will be in place and stop scratching all ukrov under one comb.
  30. MaKeNa Offline MaKeNa
    MaKeNa (Oleg) 20 February 2019 06: 45
    +2
    The man is right! Let's tell ourselves the truth - we were all waiting for this !!!!! When ours enter Ukraine. And there were plans in power, otherwise why did SovFed give the go-ahead for the deployment of troops. So everything was ready! But what stopped this BIG question.
    And now we just console ourselves, realizing that the time has gone forever!
    1. Vladimir Zakharov (Vladimir) 20 February 2019 22: 39
      -1
      Do not speak for everyone. Speak for yourself