Neighbor with whom it is better not to quarrel: what Turkey thinks about Russia

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Relations between Russia and Turkey have never been simple. Perhaps, with no other neighboring state, our country has not fought in its history as many times as with Turkey. But centuries-old wars did not embitter peoples against each other. What to hide, the attitude towards Russia and Russians in Turkey is much better than, for example, in the countries of Eastern Europe, which the Red Army freed from Nazi Germany, or in some kind of Norway, which did not fight with our country, spawn.





The perception of Russia and Russian by the Turks consists of several factors. First of all, this is the status of Russia as a great power. Turks are eastern people and respect strong states. At the same time, Turkey is very cool towards the United States. Despite the fact that Turkey is one of the key NATO members and a long-standing geopolitical ally of Washington, a significant part of the country's population is negatively inclined to membership in the North Atlantic Alliance. And Russia is seen as a power able to object to the Americans, to conduct its own policies. This cannot but cause respect.

Secondly, in Turkey, leftist (communist and socialist) ideas are still strong. They are supported by approximately 20% of the population, which means that almost all of these people somehow sympathize with Russia as the heir to the Soviet Union. For the Turkish left, Russia was and remains a country that 100 years ago defied capitalism, even if later it returned to a market the economy.

Thirdly, the Turks and Russians have much more in common than, for example, the Turks and the British or Americans. It is easier for a Russian person to understand the Turkish mentality, and a Turk - Russian. Even religious differences do not play a big role in this case. Both Turks and Russians are more collectivists than individualists.

Fourth, Russian culture is respected in Turkey. The average Turk knows much more about Russian literature than the average Russian knows about Turkish. Dostoevsky, Chekhov, Pushkin, Tolstoy, Mayakovsky - all these names are familiar to the Turkish reader and are very respected by them. Russian-Turkish cultural ties are perfectly illustrated by the fact that one of the most famous Turkish poets of the twentieth century, Nazim Hikmet, was buried at the Novodevichy Cemetery in Moscow. He spent the last years of his life in the Soviet Union.

Finally, ordinary Russians and Turks, by virtue of established trade and tourist ties, contact with each other more often than Russians or Turks with Europeans. Hundreds of thousands of Russians relax in Turkey every year. They are already so used to them that knowledge of the Russian language is often one of the main requirements when applying for a job in the tourism sector in Turkey.

On the other hand, thousands of Turkish engineers, workers, and entrepreneurs are going to Russia. Mixed marriages between Turkish men and Russian women have long become commonplace.

Of course, there is a wary attitude in Turkey to the northern neighbor. Nevertheless, the history of the Russian-Turkish wars did not pass without a trace, and the propaganda of official Ankara is not always friendly to our country. For example, before Russia was constantly accused of supporting the Kurdish movement, in turn, the Russian secret services more than once revealed the links between Turkish radicals and extremists operating in the North Caucasus.

Although most Turks, of course, understand that the “Russian bear” is not going to attack their country, they are convinced that Russia is the neighbor with whom it is better not to quarrel. But Russia also benefits from the existence of a stable and strong Turkey, with which you can not be friends, but you definitely need to cooperate.
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  1. +1
    14 February 2019 09: 03
    The author of the article, Ilya Polonsky, wrote "Perhaps, our country has not fought so many times in its history with any other neighboring state as with Turkey."
    Perhaps the author does not know the story very well. Actually nothing like that.
    To begin, I recall the list of our Russian-Turkish wars.
    1) 1568-1570 years. Started the war: Turkey. Winner: Russia.
    2) 1672-1681 years. (in the USSR it was believed that 1676-1681 gg.). Started the war: Russia. Winner: Turkey (in the USSR it was claimed that Russia, but this statement objectively contradicts the outcome of the war).
    3) 1686-1700 Started the war: Russia. Winner: Russia.
    4) 1710-1713 Started the war: Russia. Winner: Turkey.
    5) 1735-1739 Started the war: Russia. Winner: Russia.
    6) 1768-1774 years. Started the war: Turkey. Winner: Russia.
    7) 1787-1791 years. Started the war: Turkey. Winner: Russia.
    8) 1806-1812 Started the war: Russia. Winner: Russia.
    9) 1828-1829 Started the war: Russia. Winner: Russia.
    10) 1853-1856 Started the Crimean War: Russia (the Russian government issued a memorandum on the severance of diplomatic relations with Turkey, after which Nicholas I ordered the Russian troops to occupy the Danube principalities Moldavia and Wallachia subordinate to the Sultan “as a guarantee until Turkey satisfies Russia's fair demands”; however, Turkey preferred the shame the war did not fail). Winner: Turkey (and Allies).
    11) 1877-1878 Started the war: Russia. Winner: Russia.
    12) 1914-1918 She declared war (which became an integral part of the First World War) in November 1914, Russia, but after the provocation of Turkey. Winner: Turkey (and the allies, although in general it lost the First World War).
    A total of 8 times we started the war; The Turks started the war 3 times; 1 time (1914) the war began, as it were, mutually. Formally, we declared war, but after the Turkish provocation with shelling of our coastal cities. But it should be borne in mind that before that there were provocations of Armenian "fideas" against Turkey, who crossed over to Turkish territory on our part and committed so-called "acts of retaliation" on Turkish territory.
    1. +1
      14 February 2019 09: 06
      Further. Most of all we fought with the Swedes. 17 wars, not counting the border conflicts 1375-1396
      Then come the Poles. 14 wars. But if we take three Polish uprisings, which were larger in scale than another war (1794 - Kosciuszko uprising; 1830-1831 November uprising; 1863-1864 January uprising), as well as our campaign in Poland in September 1939 - then Russian-Polish there will be even more Russian-Swedish wars.
      And only then are the Russian-Turkish wars (12 wars). And in 8 wars we were the initiators.
      Only a couple of wars less we fought with the Lithuanians.
      By duration, the longest are not Russian-Ottoman, but Russian-Polish wars. In total, we fought with the Poles for over 100 years.
      The bloodiest wars are the Russian-German wars. In total, the Germans accounted for two world wars - over 30 million lives of our compatriots.
      The Ottomans never made us such tricks as:
      - Swedes after the miserable battle for us at Fraustadt, held on February 2, 1706 (Julian calendar); February 3, 1706 (Swedish calendar); February 13, 1706 (Gregorian calendar) when the victorious Swedes stabbed 4 of our prisoners with cold steel.
      “In the battle of Fraustadt, an incomprehensible, truly bestial cruelty of the Swedes was revealed regarding the Russians. Indeed, in this combined army of the Saxon general Schulenburg, who suffered such a rout, there were Saxons, Poles, and even the French, who served in the Saxon army, and, finally, the Russians. After their victory (February 3, 1706), the Swedish army captured all those who were not killed and did not have time to escape. Everyone except the Russians! "Many Russians were beaten as well, and which of the soldiers were taken to full, and with those the enemy zealously acted mercilessly, according to the royal decree issued before about them, so as not to give them pardon (or mercy), and scolding people 2 and 3 "they stabbed one another with their spears and baguettes (bayonets. - E. T.). In such a barbaric way, the Swedes exterminated 4 thousand disarmed Russian prisoners after the battle." E.V. Tarle, "The Northern War and the Swedish invasion of Russia";

      - Germans who attacked us without declaring war on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      The Ottomans, if they themselves started, first, by all the rules, declared war on us, and hostilities began somewhere half a year after the announcement. And even later.
      - Poles who literally crap Kremlin churches.

      So why should we assume that the Ottomans are worse than the Swedes, Poles or Germans?
      1. +1
        14 February 2019 09: 07
        Read more.
        We had everything with Turkey. There was a thing - the Turks helped us.
        For example, in 1621, when Russia was just recovering from the Troubles and was still weak, the Sultan sent a "bloody saber" to the Polish king Sigismund, demanding kissing her as a sign of refusal to claim Moscow. (Vesti-chimes. Appendix 1. 1600-1631. M.: Nauka, 1982). Thus, the Sultan of Turkey forbade the King of Poland to go to war against us: "Do not go to the Moscow one, for the Moscow friend is great," and sent a bloody saber to the king in confirmation of the seriousness of his intentions. And the Polish king decided that he would not seek adventure on his ass.
        It happened - our Russian squadron under the command of Admiral F.F.Ushakov and the Turkish squadron together smashed the French fleet in the Mediterranean Sea and stormed Malta.

        It was - and we landed a whole expeditionary force on the banks of the Bosphorus in order to help the Turks repel the advance of the troops of Egyptian Pasha in Istanbul (1833). And the Egyptian Pasha decided not to tempt fate - he ordered the army to return to Egypt.
        1. +1
          14 February 2019 09: 09
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          Personally, I am grateful to Turkey for its worthy and courageous behavior during the Second World War. Because during the war, not a single Italian warship, not a single German submarine passed through the straits to the Black Sea. Despite all the pressure of Hitler and Mussolini. For operations in the Black Sea, the Germans had to deliver six obsolete small submarines of the second series (U-9, U-18, U-19, U-20, U-23 and U-24) to deliver as follows: In the area of ​​Dresden-Ubigau, where the Elbe the constructed motorway (Reichsautobahn) crosses, the boats were lifted onto special platforms with wide wheels that moved at a speed of 8 km / h with four successively coupled heavy tractors to Ingolstadt for about 300 kilometers. Upon arrival, the hulls were removed from the loading platforms and launched onto barges in the Danube River. In the same way, or approximately the same way, other warships and boats of Germany and Italy fell into the Black Sea. For the whole war only 09. 07. 1941, only the old unarmed German tugboat “Seefalke” passed to the Black Sea, which then raised the auxiliary flag of Kriegsmarine in the Black Sea. And in August 1941, an Italian tanker Tarvisio, also unarmed, declared for passage as a commercial vessel passed into the Black Sea. Moreover, the tanker pretty soon went back to Middle-earth. The Montreux Convention did not oblige Turkey to close the straits for the passage of warships even of warring countries. But provided her with such a right. And Turkey voluntarily exercised this right. She announced that she was closing the straits for the passage of all warships during the military operations in the Black Sea. This decision was to our advantage, but it was like a sickle in one place to the Germans and Italians. Can you imagine how much worse our situation would have been if an Italian battleship with an escort squadron — 1941-1942 cruisers and 2-3 destroyers — had appeared in the Black Sea in 5 or 6? And also at least 5 German submarines of new types? Moreover, with full domination in the air of German aviation !!! Yes, I don’t even want to think !!! For its part, Turkey showed enormous endurance not only when she stood stomping with the feet of Hitler and Mussolini, but also enormous endurance and understanding towards us. Unfortunately, our Black Sea Fleet and aircraft during the war drowned it seems 26 Turkish ships, mostly fishing. Taking them for German submarines in the water. Turks were limited to standard diplomatic notes. Most of which we did not even answer. Unfortunately, immediately after the war, we answered Turkey with black ingratitude - we decided to take part of the territory from it. And moreover, the Turks were even ready to give us the territories we required. But then the unexpected happened. The Georgian leadership was outraged by the fact that over 80% of the territories seized from Turkey would become part of the Armenian SSR. Tbilisi demanded to significantly increase its share, somewhere up to 60%. Yerevan categorically objected. The issue of dividing the skin of a Turkish leopard that has not yet been killed between the two "fraternal" republics was considered in Moscow. But while it was considered, Japan capitulated. The United States (and England) no longer needed us. And they gave guarantees of the territorial integrity of Turkey. That is, we ourselves pushed Turkey away from us and pushed it into the arms of the United States and England.
  2. +1
    15 March 2019 09: 33
    Ha. Posts are more interesting than articles. Thanks, I will save.
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    21 March 2019 15: 13
    Thank you Petrovich! Very informative.
    I agree with Latyshev
  4. +1
    24 March 2019 22: 50
    There is only one caveat: Turks and Crimean Tatars enslaved the Russians (and not only Russians) for centuries and traded them like cattle in their markets, but the Swedes and Poles did not.
    This enslavement created the hatred that lay at the basis of all the Russo-Turkish wars.
    It is very good that 100 years of peace have passed, we must further strengthen it, but we must not forget the past!