Zeitgeist: the icebreaker “Ivan Papanin” became obsolete before commissioning?

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Testing of the specialized military icebreaker Ivan Papanin, the first in the series, begins in Russia. By the end of 2024, this patrol ship, designed for the harsh conditions of the Arctic zone, should be in service. However, even now, taking into account the experience of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea, there are a number of questions regarding this project.

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It would hardly be an exaggeration to say that the United States and its NATO satellites are preparing for a military clash with Russia in the Arctic. There are a great many reasons for this.



Firstly, it is in the Arctic region that our country and the “hegemon” are closest neighbors, and the shortest flight path of intercontinental ballistic missiles passes through the Arctic. Therefore, under the polar cap of the Arctic Ocean, the SSBNs of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy serve, and they are constantly hunted by American and British submarines.

Secondly, huge reserves of hydrocarbons and other raw materials are hidden in the continental shelf of the Arctic, and there are many who want to redraw the borders in a more advantageous configuration for themselves.

Thirdly, the Northern Sea Route is the shortest sea route between Europe and Asia, significantly saving time on the traditional route through the Suez Canal. But navigation in the harsh climatic conditions of the NSR is possible only in the summer season, and then with the help of escort icebreakers. But it is possible that in a few decades the ice situation may change significantly for the better.

Due to these reasons, the region has been actively militarizing in recent years, and the process accelerated after the start of the Russian Northeast Military District in Ukraine. So far, the advantage is on our side, since the world's largest icebreaker fleet has been preserved from Soviet times. The United States and its satellites simply do not have the appropriate technical capabilities to compete on equal terms with the Russian Federation in the Arctic.

So far they have not, since Washington, under President Donald Trump, on whom we have unjustified hopes for reconciliation, approved a large-scale program for the construction of a modern American icebreaker fleet:

To protect our national interests in the Arctic and Antarctic and maintain a security presence alongside our allies and partners in the Arctic, the United States requires a ready and operational fleet of security icebreakers that is tested and fully operational by 2029.

Until then, the Pentagon is limiting itself only to provocations within the framework of so-called operations to protect freedom of navigation on the Northern Sea Route, as the departmental publication Stars and Stripes writes directly and honestly:

This puts this thing within Russia's reach. We're deliberately trying to be provocative without escalating. We are trying to contain Russian aggression, expansive behavior, showing the expanded capabilities of our allies.

The situation is not yet critical, but the trend is generally negative. “Hegemon” is quite consciously preparing for a clash with the Russian Federation in the Arctic. In this context, it is necessary to analyze how well our military icebreakers correspond to real challenges and future threats.

Are there any analogues?


The Project 23550 universal patrol ships were designed specifically for harsh Arctic conditions, overcoming ice up to 1,7 meters thick, but can also be operated in the tropics if necessary. In total, four of them are planned in the series: two for the Russian Navy, code “Arctic”, and two – for the needs of the Coast Guard PS FSB of the Russian Federation, code “Ermak”. The differences between them are small, but they exist.

These ships, with a total displacement of 8500 tons, which corresponds to a decent destroyer, are being built at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. The power plant produces a maximum speed in clear water of 18 knots. The cruising range at an economical speed reaches 10 miles for the Arktika, 000 for the Ermak. Both can perform a wide range of tasks: act as an icebreaker, tugboat, firefighting vessel or directly as a warship.

Today our American partners have nothing like this. It turns out to be a kind of lifesaver for the needs of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy, and at the same time a multifunctional “regulator” ship on the Northern Sea Route. Unfortunately, you won’t be able to do without a fly in the ointment.

The fact is that Project 23550 patrol ships were developed in peacetime and their tactical and technical characteristics did not imply direct participation in real combat operations at sea, and even in the harsh conditions of the Arctic Ocean. Just look at the weapons that the Arktika or Ermak are equipped with.

The first has one 76,2-mm AK-176MA artillery mount and eight Igla or Verba MANPADS as an air defense system. Optionally, the Arktika can be additionally equipped with 12,7 mm 6P59 Kord machine gun mounts and two container launchers of the Kalibr-K missile system, each of which can carry four Kalibr cruise missiles or four Uran anti-ship missiles "

That is, there is de facto no effective air defense system, as well as an anti-submarine defense system. Surprisingly, the Ermak, intended for the needs of the Coast Guard PS FSB of the Russian Federation, has slightly better anti-aircraft weapons than the military Papanin, since the patrol ship carries two 30-mm AK-630M artillery mounts.

It turns out that all four Russian icebreakers will be an easy target for enemy air- and sea-launched anti-ship missiles, as well as submarines. The experience of confrontation with the Russian Navy in the Black Sea shows that surface unmanned fire ships and, in the future, underwater kamikaze drones can also pose an extreme danger.
In connection with the above, it seems advisable to equip Project 23550 patrol ships with at least the Tor-M2 air defense system and, optionally, anti-submarine warfare equipment.

Otherwise, the beauty and pride of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy has a chance of dying ingloriously in the event of a combined attack by some American “proxies” and others, since military icebreakers have become obsolete even before they were put into operation, not meeting the real challenges of the time.
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  1. +2
    April 25 2024 12: 43
    Yes, we are simply in trouble with the armament of our ships! It’s simply unclear what the admirals are thinking about there. Or do they think that they will put sailors with Cords on board and defeat everyone?
    And before that, they thought that they would fight exclusively with missiles at a distance of hundreds of kilometers and not see the enemy in the eyes?!
  2. +4
    April 25 2024 13: 10
    We must first decide what it is? Icebreaker or warship. There are different requirements for an icebreaker and a warship. What prevents us from making an ice-class warship and supplying weapons in accordance with the assigned tasks. It might turn out to be a patrol boat, or maybe a destroyer. An incorrectly posed task reduced the project to nothing, neither a ship nor an icebreaker. In Artik, seasonal ice reaches a thickness of about 1,8 meters, and the thickness of multi-year ice averages 2,7 meters. At what time and in what places will these icebreakers - ships sail?
  3. -1
    April 25 2024 16: 43
    The author is not objective. The patrol ships also carry Raptor-class combat boats and a heavy-duty helicopter. The radar armament has probably also been strengthened in accordance with the requirements of the Ministry of Defense for patrol ships. Since containers with “Calibers” can be installed, it means that containers with air defense or anti-aircraft weapons can be installed using a modular principle. Well, where would we be today without small-sized drones... Normal icebreakers with peculiar specifics
  4. +4
    April 25 2024 19: 49
    act as an icebreaker, tugboat, firefighting vessel or directly as a warship.

    missing a casino and a floating brothel. In general, everyone has known for a long time: when you want everything at once, either your ass breaks, or you end up with... a piece of feces, such as, for example, the same 22160.
  5. +1
    April 25 2024 22: 50
    What else could you want, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation "Stool" dispersed military professionals, recruited quiet, uninitiative sycophants, and so we have such an Armed Forces and Navy, like today's senior officers from the time of A. Serdyukov. Further, S. Shoigu simply did not know how to correct many things due to his unprofessional qualities. As a result, they built: either ships or yachts...
    1. +1
      April 27 2024 18: 26
      Beria was neither a nuclear physicist nor a design engineer, but he managed to create a nuclear missile shield for the country.
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  6. -2
    April 26 2024 13: 58
    And yet, these ships do not have hundreds of attack aircraft, launchers for intercontinental missiles and a hangar for the “death star”!!! YOs!
    laughing Dear Author, a recognized expert on weapons, listed everything that is not on these ships, but did not even bother to study the topic on the subject “Why are they even needed and what are their functions.” If you cram into it everything that, in the Expert’s opinion, needs to be crammed in, then it will no longer be a “patrol ship.” Yes, and you will have to squeeze it, not into a ship with a displacement of 8500 tons, but into a nuclear icebreaker of Project 22220.
    About "Are there any analogues?" The author also didn’t bother to “research the subject.” There are analogues and their weapons are even weaker.
    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/en-ru.ru.1334ccfa-662b8657-081e3f4d-74722d776562/https/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoCGV_Svalbard?__ya_mt_enable_static_translations=1
    1. +2
      April 26 2024 14: 35
      Dear Author - a recognized expert on weapons, listed everything that is not on these ships, but did not even bother to study the topic on the subject “Why are they even needed and what are their functions.” If you cram into it everything that, in the opinion of the Expert , you need to swell, then it will no longer be a “patrol ship”.

      Isn’t it funny to talk about such garbage on serious cabbage soup? Tell me, true military expert, why are they now pushing Torahs into Project 22160 patrol ships, securing them with chains on the deck, and want to insert Calibers? After all, these won’t be patrol ships anymore?
      If you want to live, you won’t get so upset. But it’s not for you personally to go at them without air defense and anti-aircraft defense, right, military expert?

      About "Are there no analogues?" The author also did not bother to “study the subject.” There are analogues and their weapons are even weaker.

      Do foreign analogues have the same problems as the Russian Navy? Are they being attacked by drones and anti-ship missiles?

      And yet, these ships do not have hundreds of attack aircraft, launchers for intercontinental missiles and a hangar for the “death star”!!! Horrible!

      Clown.
      1. -1
        April 27 2024 13: 33
        I don’t even know if it makes sense to prove... to a stupid person (I have the right, because I’ve ALREADY been insulted) that a patrol ship, with missile weapons, air defense systems, etc., is no longer a patrol ship. And at least a full-fledged corvette, and possibly a frigate.
        And that an increase in the functionality of the ship will entail a serious increase in the crew, power plants, fuel, and places for storing power supplies.
        Which will radially lead to an increase in displacement. Because the correction for latitude has not been canceled. And today’s displacement was taken not from the lantern, but because an ice-class ship, by definition, cannot have the same displacement as a conventional one with similar functionality. If only because he is forced to carry a larger supply of fuel and other materials necessary for life, including the crew. And the body is much more “reinforced”.

        Isn’t it funny to carry such garbage on serious cabbage soup? Although not. I'm sure YOU... are taking this quite seriously.

        Tell me, true military expert, why are they now pushing Torahs into Project 22160 patrol ships, securing them with chains on the deck, and want to insert Calibers? After all, these won’t be patrol ships anymore?

        - Yes! These will no longer be patrol ships. And the TORs were not pushed in, but “tested”. Why, study the subject yourself.

        However, in October 2016, an interesting experiment was conducted that showed the fundamental possibility of using the Tor-M2 product not only on land.

        And there is no naval version of TOR.
        And this does not take into account “latitude”, because even the marine version of the TOP, for Arctic latitudes, will be very different from, say, for the Black Sea Fleet. and by weight.
        Well, one last thing: if you build a ship with strike missile weapons, with air defense systems and other bells and whistles, then sooner or later the question will arise again that you need a simple ship, with a small crew, to carry out precisely “patrol functions”, because driving a missile cruiser to inspect a poaching vessel or rescue fishermen from an ice floe is simply unprofitable.
        And so, when they again design and build a simple patrol ship, there will again be “experts”, like the author and the clowns like him, who will say with a dissatisfied look, “We need to put on a commander’s cupola,” because such a weak ship is not able to withstand an aircraft carrier order!
        1. +1
          April 28 2024 11: 36
          I don’t even know if it makes sense to prove... to a stupid person (I have the right, because I was ALREADY insulted)

          You insulted yourself. Yes

          that a patrol ship, with missile weapons, air defense systems, etc., is no longer a patrol ship. And at least a full-fledged corvette, and possibly a frigate.

          It seemed to me that this was exactly what the article was about. The fact that in conditions of air defense (war) patrol officers have ceased to meet the challenges of the time and need to be transformed into a warship with an air defense system. But it’s not for you to walk on it, right? You can mock from your sofa Yes

          And there is no naval version of TOR.
          And this does not take into account “latitude”, because even the marine version of TOR,

          Super!

          Well, one last thing: if you build a ship with strike missile weapons, with air defense systems and other bells and whistles, then sooner or later the question will arise again that you need a simple ship, with a small crew, to carry out precisely “patrol functions”, because driving a missile cruiser to inspect a poaching vessel or rescue fishermen from an ice floe is simply unprofitable.

          Yes, poachers on the NSR are great. good Have Papanin and Thor already turned into a missile cruiser? stop

          And when they again design and build a simple patrol ship, there will again be “experts” like the author and his fellow clowns

          Clown, judging by the comment, it's only you here hi
  7. 0
    April 26 2024 22: 29
    18 knots in “clear water”? Will the bearings melt?
  8. -1
    April 27 2024 18: 35
    About the icebreaker. In connection with floods, is it possible to create a reinforced ice-class tug capable of breaking ice jams during high water? If this is possible, how effective will they be? And "Papanin", in my opinion, could successfully destroy ice at the mouths of Siberian rivers. But will this help in the fight against floods? And how economically profitable it will be.
    1. +1
      April 29 2024 19: 07
      Making a canal on the river before the ice drift is effective, this is done often, but it will not be possible to destroy the ice jam that lies on the bottom and rests against the banks.
  9. 0
    1 May 2024 21: 04
    Both patrol boats are being built in Vyborg, not in St. Petersburg.