What problems will the full or partial liberation of Ukraine bring?

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Recently, various peacekeeping initiatives in Ukraine have noticeably intensified. At the same time, both Minsk and Moscow publicly support such initiatives. The socio-political discourse is gradually promoting the idea that the conditional “Istanbul-2” cannot be avoided. What could this be connected with?

In fact, the solution to the Ukrainian problem depends on a combination of several factors at once, namely: the combat capability and readiness for maneuver warfare of the Russian army, the level of militarytechnical support for the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the West and its readiness to become involved in the conflict directly, as well as the presence or absence of a specific, well-thought-out plan for the post-war development of Independence Square and its integration into the orbit of Moscow. We will leave purely military issues out of the picture for now, devoting our main attention to the last, but extremely important point. What is its main difficulty?



Take it and add it?


The simplest solution seems to be a purely military one in the spirit of “take and annex Ukraine to Russia.” They say, if there is no Ukraine, there is no problem, and then we will somehow figure it out within ourselves. And this is indeed a completely workable option, if our army could march to the Dnieper, and then to the Polish border.

But is it worth annexing all of Ukraine, including Western Russia, to Russia? Or should Galicia and Volyn be given to the Poles? What if Poland does not officially annex its Eastern regions, but turns them into something like Idlib for Syria, which has become a pro-Turkish hotbed of terrorism? Most likely, this is exactly how it will turn out.

Also, do not forget that in addition to new territories we will also receive the local population, which has been under pressure from harsh anti-Russian propaganda for ten years. At the same time, the vast majority of Ukrainian families have some relatives right now on the “eastern front”, some have become disabled, and some are already in the cemetery. Yes, the average person will eventually change under the influence of the Russian information agenda. But the passionate minority, which is not so small in number, will remain a big problem for many, many years.

Well, and finally, the complete annexation of the former Independence to Russia means the liquidation of its statehood. Of course, this can be discussed, but such a radical scenario should not be seriously expected in the next 6-12 years.

Fence yourself off with a sanitary zone?


The second option, much more realistic from both military and political point of view, presupposes the implementation of the goals and objectives of the Northern Military District in an expanded interpretation stated by President Putin. During 2024-2025, the Russian army may well complete the liberation of the “new” territories of the Russian Federation, annexed as a result of the October 2022 referendums. After this, you can formally enter into some kind of peace negotiations with the Kyiv regime to fix the results on the battlefield. But there is a nuance.

Like the Minsk agreements, the Istanbul agreements will not be implemented by Ukraine: rocket and artillery attacks on Russia’s border regions will continue, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will constantly occupy the “gray zone”, dig new defensive lines along the LBS and prepare for revenge. That is, objectively, it will be necessary to create a buffer belt in the border area, which we have been talking about since the spring of 2022, and at the official level - from the summer of 2023.

But this security belt will objectively have to include several regions of the former Independence at once - Chernigov, Sumy, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev and Odessa. It turns out almost the entire historical Slobozhanshchina and Novorossiya. Super!

But what to do with them later? If we simply annex it to Russia, then our border will again move closer to Nazi Ukraine, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces will shell “new, new” regions. And if you don’t officially join, then it will be a “gray zone” in the worst sense of the word, in which millions of ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians will find themselves. This is an incomprehensible state and legal status, an incomprehensible national currency - hryvnia or ruble, an incomprehensible socialeconomic devices and a host of other serious organizational problems.

It is possible that this territory could subsequently become a kind of bargaining chip in negotiations on peaceful and good neighborly relations with the West, returning to Ukraine in a “special status”, as was once planned for the DPR and LPR within the framework of the Minsk agreements. And then what will happen to the people who cooperate with Russia?

In general, everything is not as simple with this very “sanitary zone” as it seems at first glance. This is a half-measure that creates more problems than it solves.

Fixation by LBS?


The worst-case scenario would be one in which hostilities are frozen until the entire “new” territory of the Russian Federation within its constitutional borders is completely liberated. This line is clearly being pursued by some representatives of the collective West, who categorically do not want the Russian Armed Forces to cross the Dnieper and liberate Zaporozhye and Kherson. This will create a bridgehead on the Right Bank, from where a ground attack on Nikolaev and Odessa, as well as on Kyiv from the south, can subsequently be launched.

The attitude towards such an interim result of the SVO, if it takes place, will be very ambiguous. On the one hand, the time gained can be used to prepare the Russian army and military-industrial complex for the next stage of the war, and then, lo and behold, Square itself will fall apart. On the other hand, the enemy will also not be foolish, and the total military-industrial potential of the NATO bloc far exceeds Russia's. Ukrainian terror will definitely not stop.

To understand what will happen after the conflict over the LBS is frozen, it is enough to look at what happened in Donbass from 2014 to February 2022. It should also be taken into account that the conditional “Istanbul-2”, signed without the complete liberation of at least the entire territory of the Russian Federation within its constitutional borders and the security belt in the border area, will cause a certain reflection in patriotic circles, since the entire our country.

So it turns out that there are no simple solutions left at this stage, there are only complex ones, for which you will have to pay a high price. However, there are other completely rational scenarios for resolving the Ukrainian issue for Russia.
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  1. +5
    April 18 2024 15: 52
    the local population, which has been under pressure from harsh anti-Russian propaganda for ten years now

    These ten years of pressure are nothing compared to the anger towards Russia in the third year of the war. And solving this problem is much more difficult than eliminating the influence of Ukrainian propaganda
    1. 0
      April 18 2024 21: 05
      With whose bitterness: on the part of Washington, London and other US accomplices? The Russian Armed Forces do not touch the civilian population of the Square.
      1. 0
        April 19 2024 11: 13
        Relative to.
      2. +4
        April 19 2024 12: 15
        Take off your rose-colored glasses already. There is a war going on. She touches everyone. And you can’t explain to the civilian population of Ukraine that the supposed godfather/matchmaker/brother died rightly from Russian weapons and is wrongly dying from Ukrainian ones.
    2. +1
      April 19 2024 11: 41
      I may be wrong, so don't throw your slippers. Just a subjective opinion. To level out the anger of the population of Ukraine and weaken propaganda pressure, it is enough to destroy the television and radio infrastructure in the broadest sense of the word. Countrywide. Inability to transmit and receive signals. But sitting without electricity - yes, it makes you angry. Moreover, the Russian-speaking population of the eastern regions.
      1. +1
        April 21 2024 22: 30
        But the terrorist attacks of the Nazis, their genocide of Russians, bombing and artillery shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not embitter civilians in Russian cities and villages? The boomerang law, no one can cancel it.
  2. -3
    April 18 2024 16: 58
    The author is right, there are no simple solutions for Ukraine. Time shows that the longer the Ukrainian conflict lasts, the greater the losses Russia suffers and the fewer options for solutions in favor of Russia. In my understanding, which I voiced in March 2022, there is only one solution. The authorities of the Russian Federation must issue a Law in which it will be written that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia. Further, in accordance with the law “On Countering Terrorism” dated March 06.03.2006, 35 N XNUMX-FZ, it is necessary to liquidate the fascist power of Kyiv, and return the entire territory of Ukraine to Russia. Then, in accordance with the laws of the Russian Federation, the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of Russian territory occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, and territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia. Issues of restoration, re-education, the fight against Bandera, and international influence fade into the background. The winners are not judged.
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    2. -1
      April 18 2024 23: 16
      The authorities of the Russian Federation should issue a Law, which will state that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia.

      However, the problem is that Russia is simply not able to liberate all of Ukraine. Maximum border along the Dnieper. Actually within the borders of the regions of Donbass, Zaporozhye and Kherson. There is simply no such military power as NATO.
      1. 0
        April 19 2024 09: 57
        And who decided this, you? Or maybe someone authorized you to make such statements?
        1. +5
          April 19 2024 10: 03
          Well, if the RF Armed Forces are able to liberate all of Ukraine, then why... is it trampling only on the new territories of Russia. After all, you can advance from different places on the border in the Chernigov-Kursk and Belgorod regions.
  3. +3
    April 18 2024 17: 08
    Talking about Ukraine, despite the fact that Russia has not been able to liberate Russian territories for almost 3 years, is strange, to say the least.
    There is virtually no fighting in Ukraine, except for a small area near Kharkov.
    Russia is not planning any offensive actions against Ukraine.
    And all, all, all so-called demilitarization takes place mainly on Russian territory.

    What is the main question today?
    Whether Russia will cede part of its territory to Ukraine or not.
    The 5th column claims that the border will pass along the Surovikin line.
    And lithium deposits worth billions of dollars beyond the Orekhov-Ugledar line
    will be transferred back to Ukraine.
    Whether Russia is capable of liberating the Russian Kherson region, Zaporozhye, LDPR or surrendering the territory, we’ll see very soon. And the 200 German and British enterprises that lay claim to this lithium will do everything to cast as many gold toilets as needed.

    There will be no Odessa and Kharkov in Russia.
    God willing, if Kherson.
    Just listen carefully to Putin.
    1. +3
      April 18 2024 17: 47
      The entire comprador government and the “elite” of the Russian Federation strives to return to the “holy times”; they do not hide it. The fact that the SVO in Ukraine is Putin’s mistake is no secret. Everything that happened is already history. Now the question is how to get out of this shit with minimal losses. The corrupt “elite” is happy to give everything for the sake of their well-being, only the fear that in case of betrayal, they will carry her out of Russia feet first, she will lose not only power, but also her physical body. Prigogine, with his campaign against Moscow, showed everyone how much this “elite” is worth, and the “elite” showed how fast it can run. The Russian revolt is unpredictable, the speed is like setting fire to gunpowder, there is so much hatred today that the entire bourgeoisie will be rolled into asphalt overnight. The “elite” understands everything, so they toil, delay, invent what kind of noodles to hang on the ears of the people. And what the Kremlin says, who believes it?
      1. +7
        April 18 2024 18: 17
        SVO is not a mistake. A mistake can only be spinelessness, lack of confidence and compromises with the enemy. There will be no Russian rebellion, since the Russians are against everyone who raises their ass against the Heartland. The battle for the Heartland is only growing and accelerating. Another thing is that even in the Kremlin they are already afraid that the Russians will demand a real war. And if it comes to this, then not only Ukraine will fall, but also the ruins of Berlin....
    2. WFP
      0
      April 18 2024 18: 26
      Do not exaggerate.
      Firstly, the transfer of the territory of the Russian Federation to anyone is prohibited by the Constitution.
      Secondly, there is only one lithium deposit in the DPR. And it is located practically on the LBS.
      Thirdly, there is not as much lithium there as you think - offhand, less than 5% of the reserves of the deposits already on the balance sheet of the Russian Federation.
      And finally - what you call a deposit, in fact, is not one, since it has not yet been explored - preliminary work on its study was carried out back in the days of the USSR, more than 35 years ago.
    3. -2
      April 18 2024 23: 21
      Just listen carefully to Putin.

      It may well be. However, if NATO ends up in a long war, then anything could happen, including the use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
    4. 0
      April 18 2024 23: 53
      Correctly, the Russian army stands and destroys the enemy on the spot. What does this mean? Nothing! There is no need to draw conclusions that are beneficial to the enemy. Everything has its time.
      1. 0
        April 19 2024 21: 20
        Golden words spoken on time, without us they know how and what to do and the fighters are determined, just don’t whine.
    5. 0
      April 21 2024 22: 43
      ...Just listen carefully to Putin

      Do you read and watch front-line reports from the Northern Military District more often?
      Maybe then you’ll find out how competently and effectively the Russian Armed Forces carry out the demilitarization of the Square.
  4. +5
    April 18 2024 17: 46
    The worst-case scenario would be one in which hostilities are frozen until the entire “new” territory of the Russian Federation within its constitutional borders is completely liberated. This line is clearly being followed by some representatives of the collective West.

    It is difficult to say that the West is oppressing there, but the Ukrainian leadership will not agree to any truce, and will continue shelling and counter-attacks. And the West has driven itself into a trap, and cannot simply take that Ukraine and abandon it, despite the fact that it is very creative in carrying out orders from Washington.

    Accordingly, the SVO will continue as long as the Armed Forces of Ukraine have the strength (including moral) to conduct combat operations. When/if they are exhausted, the entire defense will crumble, and the n/a will begin to surrender almost without a fight, one after another.
    Whether NATO peacekeepers will enter to occupy some kind of line (the Dnieper or, say, the 1939 border) is not a fact, it really takes a lot of people.
    But this won’t happen soon, so it’s too early to become discouraged.
    1. 0
      April 18 2024 23: 32
      The leadership of Ukraine will not agree to any truce, and will continue shelling and counter-attacks.

      Everything depends on the West. They'll cover their weapons and that's it. Tough fighting will stop, there may be skirmishes. The option along the borders of the new republics is very possible, but before the borders there will be a real war. And the Dnieper is a dream that can come true if the RF Armed Forces have significant armed reserves, which is doubtful. Summer will show where we are heading.
    2. +3
      April 18 2024 23: 47
      They won't go anywhere. There is no need to intimidate yourself. They're not Adolf. There will be coffins and there will be a stir in Western countries. They need to make it clear that they will not stand on ceremony. They are afraid of escalation. It’s strange that they are afraid of the DPRK and Iran, but supposedly they are not afraid of Russia. It's all a bluff.
  5. +8
    April 18 2024 18: 13
    It would be nice to start by freeing Russia itself from all those ghouls and ticks that have been absorbed into the body of Russia over the past 30 years...
  6. +5
    April 18 2024 18: 21
    Putin screwed up Ukraine back in 2014, when, instead of taking Kyiv, he only took Crimea.
    Now it’s not worth thinking about the future of Ukraine. Russophobia there cannot be defeated or cured without the most severe terror.
    Now we would like to save Russia.
    1. -4
      April 18 2024 20: 53
      Quote: prior
      Ukraine back in 2014, when instead of taking Kyiv

      It would be a mistake and a disaster, on the eve of serious economic crises, sanctions similar to the current ones, to pour into the Russian Federation 35 million dissatisfied hackers, offended by the collapse of the dream of lace panties...
      1. +2
        April 18 2024 23: 35
        As far as I understood from what was broadcast, Putin, besides Crimea, at that time did not intend to take other territories, including Donbass.
      2. +5
        April 19 2024 08: 02
        35 million dissatisfied hackers would be better than the remaining tens of millions of stubborn Bandera terrorists. Has anyone counted our reloctants and hataskrayniks?
        So it turned out that abandoning Ukraine in 2014 was a mistake, which has now turned into a disaster for Russia.
        Crocus, Dzhankoy, Belgorod, Crimean Bridge - these are just flowers for now.
        What will you say when these creatures blow up the Zaporozhye, Kursk or some other nuclear power plant?
        If they don't reach ours, they'll blow up their own. Bucha clearly demonstrated this.
        But what will happen to them? A cornered rat is capable of anything.
        1. 0
          April 19 2024 10: 03
          Quote: prior
          than the remaining tens of millions of stubborn Bandera terrorists.

          The stubborn Bandera terrorists can and should be KABized.
          Well, how many of them went to their Europe?

          And in the event of Ukraine’s annexation in 2014, these millions will disperse throughout the country (commonly in search of work), plus ours with approximately the same way of thinking, and all this in the context of falling oil prices in 2014-2016, and with sanctions at the level of 2022-24 , and at the same time, when all that colossal work of 2015-2021 had not yet been done, it would have been an explosive mixture.

          It is the same now - if suddenly the defense of the ZSU falters, and they begin to cross the border almost without fighting and with the population - there is no point in handing out passports to all of them right away.

          But now at least the problems are being solved consistently.

          First, we adapted to the fall of the barrel, reached net exports of agricultural products, localized a lot of things and, in general, turned out to be well prepared for the sanctions of 2022-present.

          We worked out integration technologies in the Crimea, then the LDPR + “Melitopol” region.

          We adapt to the sanctions, and it turns out quite well.

          And after all this, we can begin the gradual integration of what will gradually be freed - including from the most Russophobic population, which is already being evacuated to the West.
          1. +4
            April 19 2024 10: 28
            I have many direct relatives in Ukraine. I know firsthand their attitude towards Russia in 2014 and now. With all responsibility, “the train has left.”
            There is no Stalin, no Zhukov, no SMERSH. There are neither people nor organs capable of bringing a hostile population into the desired state. The methods of the NKVD are not applicable and impossible today.
            For remarking about illegal parking, you can get a knife in the stomach from an Azerbaijani and he will not face the death penalty for this.
            We are not even able to expel useless Tajiks home.
            I would rather believe that the Russian authorities will surrender Russia to the West for their own well-being than that we will be able to integrate the people who hate us into a single society.
            I don’t see any prerequisites for optimistic forecasts.
            You, unlike me, are an incorrigible optimist.
            1. -3
              April 19 2024 11: 12
              Quote: prior
              I would rather believe that the Russian authorities will surrender Russia to the West for their own well-being

              The Russian authorities (for whom 87% recently voted) have repeatedly made hints and proposals for a ceasefire on conditions that are quite lenient for Ukraine. But they categorically refuse, ultimately forcing the leadership of the Russian Federation to work to strengthen the rear and LBS.

              I don’t see any prerequisites for optimistic forecasts.

              3rd year of sanctions - normal flight.
              IMF just recently issued a summary table for the countries of the world, the nominal (without any left-handed increases in PPP) GDP of the Russian Federation amounted to $2 trillion, a quite decent result even without taking into account sanctions.
              The murky PMCs were removed,
              they pay the privates at the LBS decent money (more than the lacquered and uniformed colonels in the rear), eliminating the problems of mobilization.
              The vaunted counter-offensive along with the leopard-abrams-deliriums was reset
              spun the flywheel of the military-industrial complex
              Setting up gliding bombs
              working closely on the topic of drones
              In the rear, the development of the civilian economy and infrastructure continues.

              And you all whine....
              1. +5
                April 19 2024 11: 20
                Oleg. You are an economically savvy person. And you know very well that in our country the salaries of officials and other categories are taken into account in GDP. The fourfold increase in military pay could not but affect the report figures, as did the increase in production output by military-industrial complex enterprises. But this does not give anything for the well-being of the people as a whole. These are not roads, not housing, not goods. This is money for the "wind of war".
                I'm not denying the obvious.
                We discussed the issue of integration of Ukrainians, but you turned the debate to the economy and at the same time used the term “whining”.
                I’m not whining, but expressing an alternative opinion to yours, which I consider quite realistic.
                1. +1
                  April 19 2024 15: 07
                  Quote: prior
                  We discussed the issue of integration of Ukrainians

                  If this is your phrase

                  I don’t see any prerequisites for optimistic forecasts.

                  I related exclusively to the issue of integration of Ukrainians - please forgive me generously, I misunderstood you, took it as an assessment of the situation as a whole.

                  If it’s about Ukrainians -
                  Now there is essentially no problem as such.
                  When/if the physical and moral strength of the Ukrainians is broken, and the RF Armed Forces begin to occupy the settlement with the population almost without a fight one after another - the most stubborn will by then flee to the west, and the rest will not care.
                  This will greatly simplify the task.

                  Quote: prior
                  But this does not give anything for the well-being of the people as a whole. These are not roads, not housing, not goods. This is money for the "wind of war".

                  Everything is more complicated. You can use money for the “wind of war” to inflate the ruble GDP as much as you like, but a reduction in what can be sold to people and/or for export will lead to a proportional decrease in the ruble exchange rate. Accordingly, recalculating the inflated ruble GDP into dollars at a reduced rate, we get very modest values ​​in $, despite all the investments in “guns”.
                  But so far everything is within reason, and the GDP in $ turned out to be quite good.
                  Because there really were a lot of roads, housing (an absolute record) and goods.
                  1. -1
                    April 19 2024 16: 50
                    After all, we can find a compromise if we try.
                    Thank you. Sincerely.
                  2. +1
                    April 21 2024 21: 58
                    But so far everything is within reason, and the GDP in $ turned out to be quite good.
                    Because there really were a lot of roads, housing (an absolute record) and goods.

                    As an economist. What you said actually happens, for the most part, due to good exports. As soon as exports fall, the ruble exchange rate will fall. And the Americans are working on this. Sanctions are getting tougher. Even our former USSR members are slowly being crushed. If China is seriously pressed, it will be difficult for us. One hope is that China does not benefit from our defeat.
                    As for GDP, its growth due to military products cannot be healthy economic growth.
                    1. 0
                      April 22 2024 10: 19
                      Quote: Alexey Lan
                      As for GDP, its growth due to military products cannot be healthy economic growth.

                      Once again, GDP growth due to military products is nullified by the fall in the ruble exchange rate, which is formed due to the balance of civilian/exported products.
                      This is if you convert it into $, and take into account the inflation of the $ itself.
                      And then, compared to 2021, there is a drop in GDP. -3.6%.
                      Taking into account all the sanctions and the lower cost of a barrel of Urals (which is the same effect of the sanctions), we can say that the sanctions have had almost no effect yet.
                      Moreover, a bunch of countries (including Canada, Germany, China) using the same methodology show a much deeper disadvantage.

                      Quote: Alexey Lan
                      As soon as exports fall, the ruble exchange rate will fall. And the Americans are working on this. Sanctions are getting tougher. Even our former USSR members are slowly being crushed. If China is seriously pressed, it will be difficult for us. One hope is that China does not benefit from our defeat.

                      It's like that.
                      In theorycraft, the Russian economy should be torn to shreds by the fall of 2022.
                      And it’s spring 2024, and the situation is quite cheerful.
                      1. -1
                        April 22 2024 17: 28
                        Let's hope for the best, and the worst will come.
                2. RUR
                  +2
                  April 19 2024 18: 03
                  But this does not give anything for the well-being of the people as a whole.

                  These are the times now that for many nations, prosperity means simply surviving... Orban, by the way, recently said that weak nations will disappear...
            2. +1
              April 21 2024 22: 20
              To avoid getting a knife in the stomach from an Azerbaijani, carry with you a birch handle from a shovel. At the slightest “creep”, without saying a word, strike the enemy. I assure you that even one hit to any part of his body will be enough for the enemy to abandon his intentions. In a quiet environment, use the stalk as a walking stick. Maybe you will consider this to be cowardice or baseness. Well, then die.
        2. +1
          April 19 2024 21: 29
          If a rat is driven into a corner, it is still destroyed. Or there will be no camps in the 21st century.
    2. 0
      April 23 2024 22: 00
      ...The colonel took me beyond the cordon
      He was as pale as a dead man, sorry.
      He talked all the time about Rus':
      We are alive - and thank God, Grand Mercy!...


      (Verses of a chansonette from the film "Crown of the Russian Empire")
  7. +2
    April 18 2024 18: 33
    Amazing. How long has the phenomenon of “okrainization” existed, Banderaism since the Second World War, 30 years of Nazification in Ukraine. But it turns out that there is still no serious understanding or assessment of what is happening in the country today. We do not determine CPP, without a price. What is the planning for future affairs? There is no public discussion... About this super-important matter. There is a war going on, but there is no understanding?!
  8. +3
    April 18 2024 18: 35
    No need to reinvent the wheel. We must do with Ukraine as the great Stalin did with East Prussia - annex the territory, evict the population. And there will be no problems either with Bandera’s supporters or with those simply dissatisfied. According to historians, about 14 million Germans were subjected to forced deportation after the end of WWII - quite comparable figures.
    1. +3
      April 18 2024 21: 29
      Stalin did not evict the Germans from “East Prussia”.
      After the war, Germans were expelled in Czechoslovakia, and Germans and Jews were expelled in Poland.
      1. +1
        April 19 2024 05: 36
        Where, if I may say so, did the Germans from East Prussia go?

        On October 11, 1947, the Council of Ministers of the USSR adopted secret resolution No. 3547-1169c “On the resettlement of Germans from the Kaliningrad region of the RSFSR.”

        According to the order of the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S. N. Kruglov No. 001067 dated October 14, 1947, first of all, disabled German families not engaged in socially useful work, German children in orphanages, and elderly Germans in nursing homes were subject to resettlement. ..

        So I did everything right. Why feed dependents?

        In accordance with the order of the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR No. 600 dated September 20, 09 “On the resettlement of Germans located in the camps of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Kaliningrad Region, as well as those arriving from the Lithuanian SSR,” in 1949 the last German population remaining in the Kaliningrad Region was resettled.

        And we finished the process. In two years.
    2. 0
      April 18 2024 23: 41
      Evict all those who are dissatisfied. To keep order. Introduce the death penalty for terrorism.
      1. -2
        April 19 2024 05: 56
        And satisfied ones too. History teaches nothing? Where is the guarantee that their children and grandchildren will not raise the banner of “independence” again?
  9. 0
    April 18 2024 19: 52
    do they have the same problems?
    https://t.me/hleba_zrelisch/34964
  10. +1
    April 18 2024 20: 38
    Much depends on us. If we, like a soulless war machine, sweep away everything in our path. By trampling on the historical and national roots of peoples, we cannot avoid a big war. Let's say they took all of Ukraine. We need to offer something on how to live for the people. If we offer a better option, millions of those who fled the war will return. Otherwise, I don’t even want to consider it. It will be gangrene on our body.
    1. 0
      April 18 2024 21: 10
      If you offer something to the people, then you need to offer all those who cannot live without Bandera and other scum to leave the territory voluntarily. Those who do not understand and do not want to be dealt with according to the law.
    2. 0
      April 18 2024 23: 40
      What do you mean by big war? And so she goes. The scope is still the same. The West won't fit in. They are afraid. And they bluff. Will they put everything on the line? Hardly !
      1. +1
        April 19 2024 09: 06
        there is no big war. Otherwise, you and I would have reduced our food intake to a minimum.
    3. +1
      April 19 2024 05: 53
      There is no need to offer these people anything. How are they different from Russians? Do you want preferences for Selyuks again? Is raking your favorite pastime? Who offers Russians what?
      1. RUR
        +2
        April 19 2024 18: 13
        Where are you going with your primitiveness...? There is still a difference: history, language, even religion - in the west of Ukraine - the Uniates, and Ukrainian Orthodoxy grew out of Byzantium, in Russia proper - from Nestorianism, etc... It would be good for you to sort things out with the Arabs and Iran in 70 years. ..
        1. -1
          April 19 2024 20: 15
          What is this stream of consciousness for? I wrote - evict. Like Stalin - the Germans from the Kaliningrad region. By the way, also non-Orthodox Christians and the indigenous population lol
          And he did the right thing - it’s scary to imagine what would have happened after ’91 if this enclave had remained German by nationality.
          1. RUR
            +3
            April 19 2024 20: 20
            The Germans from Prussia themselves fled to Germany... Where did you decide to evict them? To Israel, perhaps? And, by the way, the Germans in Prussia are not the indigenous population... better take care of your Middle Eastern/Afro-Asian affairs, although nothing works out for you there either
            1. -2
              April 19 2024 20: 24
              Where would they have run in 47-49? Let's not have any funny illusions. 800 kg. things for the family, documents and abandoning housing and livestock without any compensation. Grandmothers ran away from nursing homes))
              I don’t want to delve into the questions of the “indigenous”... otherwise you never know where the Goths lived... Give everything to them?)
              1. RUR
                +2
                April 19 2024 20: 28
                Stupid chutzpahs won’t screw it up here - type in Google: flight of Germans from East Prussia...
                1. -1
                  April 19 2024 23: 36
                  Yes, they left with their army. But not everyone could. Of the 320.000 thousand population of Königsberg, about 200.000 remained. This is true, for example. And they were also deported a couple of years later.
                  1. RUR
                    +2
                    April 20 2024 00: 31
                    That’s right, you’re thinking correctly - to evict and expel crests, and to populate them with Jews... the magnificent course of a wonderful thought is clear to everyone..
                    1. -1
                      April 20 2024 08: 46
                      Good lands for good people wink the Russian President thinks so too winked bad people shouldn’t live in Ukraine Yes
                      1. RUR
                        +2
                        April 20 2024 16: 29
                        That’s why you can pocket someone else’s land... This means that there is no confidence that Israel will survive... - and I also think so that it will not survive...
                      2. -1
                        April 21 2024 01: 01
                        Is this a stranger to anyone? There, even in Oleg’s time, there were plenty of black-eyed people with non-Russian noses. There will be Israel, there will be, unless the government changes.
                      3. RUR
                        +2
                        April 21 2024 11: 39
                        You imagine Khazar origins, well then you don’t have any chosenness
            2. 0
              April 21 2024 22: 25
              Evict "on all four sides"! If it fails, use a bulldozer to a depth of two meters!
  11. 0
    April 18 2024 21: 50
    Now it is difficult to talk about anything specific on this topic of the author.
    We must first completely liberate the DLNR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, then preferably the Odessa, Nikolaev and Kharkov regions, and then we will see. Don't get ahead of yourself, the chicken will peck at the grain. Moscow is competently, slowly and effectively demilitarizing the Square.
  12. -3
    April 18 2024 23: 36
    The outskirts itself will not fall apart. You can't trust anyone on the outskirts. The West cannot be trusted. It is impossible to leave Russian lands to the Euro-Hutsuls. Novorossiya must be taken no matter what! The Hutsuls need to be removed from the Dnieper. The maximum that could be left for them is along the Vinnitsa-Zhitomir line. But this will be the most hostile state towards Russia. It is dangerous to drag the indigenous lands of the Ukrainians into Russia. They will demand autonomy and try to leave, again taking the lands of New Russia. But it is necessary to finish them off!
  13. 0
    April 18 2024 23: 56
    Chernigov cannot be left to the Hutsuls. You cannot leave sums to the Hutsuls. Ekaterinoslav cannot be left with the region. It is impossible to give Kyiv to the Hutsuls. The Hutsuls cannot be trusted.
    1. +5
      April 19 2024 06: 32
      what do the Hutsuls have to do with it? you also mention the Rusyns...

      thanks to uncontested cowardice and betrayal, Banderaism blossomed in 8 years in the Kharkov region and other places... all these Chili-Wills ran with Russian flags and screamed about the Russian world until the 14th year... and then they were betrayed and left 1 on 1 with the Yaros-Korchinskys... as a result, in 8 years Chile became a Nazi ghoul...

      and some Hutsuls are to blame...
  14. 0
    April 19 2024 04: 05
    Ukraine is a second Poland, and accordingly the measures taken should be similar.
  15. +4
    April 19 2024 06: 29
    alas, there are simply no good solutions (thanks to the uncontested treacherous Minsk agreements)...

    and the problem is that Russia itself is not able to offer an attractive image of the future not only to the residents of Vinnitsa or Lvov, but even to completely loyal residents of Kharkov and Odessa.

    all this Ilinism-Duginism frankly stinks of the brown plague and archaism...

    Putin and Co. lost an excellent chance to take a step into the future in 2014... when it was possible to almost bloodlessly recreate a greater Russia and move into the future... but instead they decided to chicken out in the hope of continuing to remain “their bourgeoisie”...
  16. +6
    April 19 2024 08: 15
    The Noviops have no plans. Just like he wasn’t there before the start. It was not possible to achieve the goals with impudence, and then everything went as usual.
    I sooooo strongly doubt that the residents of Square want to join Russia; Kadyrov alone and millions of kishlak and Transcaucasian migrants are enough to be strongly against reunification. If we could provide them with a standard of living several times higher than what they have now, then that would be a different matter, but no, we cannot.
    And our propaganda is simply stupid, even harmful, all these Solovyovs and other devils only push ethnic Russians away from Ukraine.
    And their propaganda does not sleep, it processes it as it should, they suck up every case of some negative event in Russia for weeks.
    Now they will disperse the lawlessness that Kadyrov is perpetrating (the detention of the drunken head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Chechnya), and in principle they have nothing to object to.
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  17. +3
    April 19 2024 09: 19
    The ways to resolve the “Ukraine” issue lie on the surface and I know them very well in the Kremlin. Today the interests of Russia require:
    1. Inclusion of all native Russian lands (Novorossiya) into its composition.
    2. The creation of a new neutral, friendly Ukraine within the borders of Little Russia, with the permanent presence of the Russian military contingent on its territory.
    3. The lands of Western Ukraine should be divided and transferred to the countries to which they belonged before WWII.
    As for “simple and cheap” solutions, alas, this does not happen in politics.
    1. -2
      April 19 2024 12: 03
      Or maybe it’s better to start from reality? Look, the war will end soon.
      1. +5
        April 19 2024 13: 55
        And it won't end. There will simply be a break for the second, even more bloody one. And you, dear man, understand this very well. Yes
  18. +2
    April 19 2024 09: 22
    What problems will the full or partial liberation of Ukraine bring?

    - absolutely none.
  19. -1
    April 19 2024 12: 01
    Discussions about the creation of some kind of sanitary zones on the territory of 5 regions are far from reality, but the general idea of ​​the article that there is no good outcome for either Kyiv or Moscow corresponds to reality. This is exactly what is called a military strategic dead end. Both Moscow and Kyiv will have to make concessions; stopping the conflict over the LBS is inevitable in view of its futility; the maximum that Moscow can achieve before the freeze is to reach the borders of the DPR.
    1. +1
      April 19 2024 13: 54
      Both Moscow and Kyiv will have to make concessions; stopping the conflict over the LBS is inevitable in view of its futility; the maximum that Moscow can achieve before the freeze is to reach the borders of the DPR.

      What are you doing? But it seems to me that the combat effectiveness of the Russian army is only constantly growing. And that’s why people like you really want Mr. Putin to tie his own hands again.
  20. +1
    April 21 2024 04: 05
    The author is only exaggerating well-known assumptions, the article is about nothing. If you write, offer your version with arguments!
  21. +1
    April 21 2024 10: 17
    Thinking too much is not always healthy. The outskirts must be destroyed as a state and as a semantic concept. This entire territory, except Galich and Volyn, should be thought of as the southwest of Russia. Clear the territory of the population, leaving only those who sign an obligation of loyalty, violation of which will entail punishment; destroy partisans with Smersh according to a simplified procedure; fill Little Russia with settlers from remote regions of the Russian Federation. Build powerful fortified areas along the entire new border and place medium- and short-range weapons there.
  22. 0
    April 24 2024 13: 59
    There are about 9 million pensioners in Ukraine. Who will feed them?
  23. 0
    April 29 2024 11: 26
    The division of Ukraine is the best option for Russia, because it is also beneficial for a number of Western countries. If Poland, Romania and Hungary joined in dividing the Ukrainian pie, then the West would have no complaints against Russia and peace and harmony would be established in Europe. Russia has absolutely no need to tell horror stories about the plans of Poland (precisely Poland!) to take the Lviv region “under protection”. It is absolutely in Russian interests to transfer the Bandera region to the Polish gentlemen)